MareBorealis
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:53 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair launches a new seasonal route to Bodø, Norway in S20. The route will be flown between 17 Jun 2020 and 20 Aug 2020.

AY949 HEL 06:45 – 08:20 BOO E90 (Wed)
AY950 BOO 08:55 – 12:30 HEL E90 (Wed)

AY949 HEL 18:35 – 20:10 BOO E90 (Sun)
AY950 BOO 20:45 – 00:20+1 HEL E90 (Sun)

Twitter / Finnair


It is scheduled to operate with NoRRA and ATR, not E-190

Correct.


The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 7:18 am

SAS and travel agency Apollo, have renewed their partnership agreement. The new agreement is worth 1.4 billion SEK (approx. 148 million USD). SAS will fly from 23 Scandinavian airports to 26 destinations in Europe on behalf of Apollo
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-and-apo ... agreement/
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:51 am

SASViking wrote:
SAS and travel agency Apollo, have renewed their partnership agreement. The new agreement is worth 1.4 billion SEK (approx. 148 million USD). SAS will fly from 23 Scandinavian airports to 26 destinations in Europe on behalf of Apollo
https://www.sasgroup.net/en/sas-and-apo ... agreement/


Looking back to previous years, this agreement has usually been around 1,1 billion SEK, so 1,4 billion SEK in 2020, is a nice growth
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:25 am

The problem for abroad traveling swedes is that its currency have declined by a large fraction against its peers, making abroad traveling quite more expensive.

Shutting Norwegian long distances from ARN, and moving even more SK long haul destinations to CPH.

Expecting more non-US carriers to move away from ARN to other European destinations.
US pre-clearence might help to keep some traffic.

TG will be the only remaining direct flight carrier to BKK and I expect it to pick up more traffic (even though I hope the 359 will be the standard instead of the 777).
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 8:52 pm

Bostrom wrote:
CPH traffic data:

December:
Domestic: 103.369 ±0%
Europe: 1.693.042 +2,2%
Intercontinental: 267.506 -7,2%
Total: 2.063.917 +0,8%

2019:
Domestic: 1.487.932 -6,2%
Europe: 25.035.098 -0,3%
Intercontinental: 3.733.673 +3,4%
Total: 30.256.703 -0,1%

I had a look at a more detailed statistic for ARN from the Swedish authority Transportstyrelsen and was really surprised about the intercontinental numbers for December. According to that statistic ARN had more intercontinental travellers than CPH. However, for the whole year CPH were way ahead.

ARN traffic data:

December:
Domestic: 361.072
Europe: 1.177.098
Intercontinental: 268.198
Total: 1.806.368

2019:
Domestic: 4.863.316
Europe: 17.727.994
Intercontinental: 3.051.393
Total: 25.642.703
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:41 pm

MareBorealis wrote:

The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


I find the new seats better compared to the old ones especially regarding the legroom. The tray table is of mini size now though, but that doesn't really matter at all on most missions the ATRs do.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 9:46 pm

lazyme wrote:
The problem for abroad traveling swedes is that its currency have declined by a large fraction against its peers, making abroad traveling quite more expensive.

Shutting Norwegian long distances from ARN, and moving even more SK long haul destinations to CPH.

Expecting more non-US carriers to move away from ARN to other European destinations.
US pre-clearence might help to keep some traffic.

TG will be the only remaining direct flight carrier to BKK and I expect it to pick up more traffic (even though I hope the 359 will be the standard instead of the 777).


A friend of me told that they right now TG talk about go to 5 or 6 weekly but keep the 77W or 7 weekly A359 or B789
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:46 pm

TG from ARN is pretty much full from mid-November to March ( my experience as a frequent traveller ), and after Song Kran (mid April) planes are less than half-full except for July-August when holiday season picks up traffic again.

Moving OSL traffic to ARN during low season would make sense, it's a 45 minute ride with Star Alliance SK, going east.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 9:40 am

BRA is starting a 1x weekly Malmø-Split flight from May 30 to September 26

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/

TF3986 MMX0750 – 1010SPU E90 6
TF3987 SPU1915 – 2135MMX E90 6


And Wizz reduced Belgrade-Stockholm Skavsta from 3x to 2x weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15jan20/

Belgrade – Stockholm Skavsta eff 29MAR20 Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 10:36 am

There will be Severstal Sukhoi Superjet coming to Helsinki next week with the Barys Nur-Sultan hockey team:

https://hockeycharters.blogspot.com/202 ... -2020.html

More details to come later for sure ...
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 1:58 pm

Air Greenland is writing on their pages they have ordered a single A330-800, to replace their current A330-200.

Only in Danish so far

https://www.airgreenland.dk/om-os/vores ... 330-800neo
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:14 pm

lazyme wrote:
The problem for abroad traveling swedes is that its currency have declined by a large fraction against its peers, making abroad traveling quite more expensive.

Shutting Norwegian long distances from ARN, and moving even more SK long haul destinations to CPH.

Expecting more non-US carriers to move away from ARN to other European destinations.
US pre-clearence might help to keep some traffic.

TG will be the only remaining direct flight carrier to BKK and I expect it to pick up more traffic (even though I hope the 359 will be the standard instead of the 777).


But don't you need a certain number of passengers to the US to qualify for pre-clearance? I doubt ARN has it.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:15 pm

Someone83 wrote:
BRA is starting a 1x weekly Malmø-Split flight from May 30 to September 26

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ce-in-s20/

TF3986 MMX0750 – 1010SPU E90 6
TF3987 SPU1915 – 2135MMX E90 6


And Wizz reduced Belgrade-Stockholm Skavsta from 3x to 2x weekly

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-15jan20/

Belgrade – Stockholm Skavsta eff 29MAR20 Reduce from 3 to 2 weekly


There are rumors JU will be reducing ARN from 7 to 6 weekly as well.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:35 pm

This time around it's Turkish Airlines that is cutting flights to Sweden.

IST-GOT from 14 to 12.
IST-ARN TK1793/1794 is downgraded from A330 to A321.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-13jan20/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 17, 2020 5:38 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Air Greenland is writing on their pages they have ordered a single A330-800, to replace their current A330-200.

Only in Danish so far

https://www.airgreenland.dk/om-os/vores ... 330-800neo


Interesting - apparently the A330-800 NEO can go 8,150 NM further than current equipment :o
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:22 am

ARN intercontinental traffic statistics (2019):

1. DXB – 302,551 (-9.0%)
2. DOH – 284,259 (-0.9%)
3. NYC – 278,620 (-14.3%)
4. BKK – 264,276 (-2.9%)
5. LAX – 172,468 (-20.2%)
6. ORD – 136,665 (-3.3%)
7. PEK – 134,520 (-7.3%)
8. ADD – 92,800 (+17.1%)
9. DEL – 66,580 (+3.1%)
10. HKT – 53,241 (-21.7%)

Other notable ones:
13. FLL – 50,904 (-25.8%)
15. KBV – 48,991 (+58.9%)
13. OAK – 45,421 (-26.3%)
16. PVG – 42,620 (+85.5%)
x. HKG – 57 (-99.9%)

As one can see, nearly all routes in the Top 20 saw declining passenger traffic. Not only did U.S routes regress but also a couple of Asian/Middle Eastern routes such as DXB, PEK, and IKA. As for 2020, more U.S routes (FLL, OAK [and JFK]) will disappear from the list while BKK is to continue falling.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:25 am

QuawerAir wrote:
ARN intercontinental traffic statistics (2019):

1. DXB – 302,551 (-9.0%)
2. DOH – 284,259 (-0.9%)
3. NYC – 278,620 (-14.3%)
4. BKK – 264,276 (-2.9%)
5. LAX – 172,468 (-20.2%)
6. ORD – 136,665 (-3.3%)
7. PEK – 134,520 (-7.3%)
8. ADD – 92,800 (+17.1%)
9. DEL – 66,580 (+3.1%)
10. HKT – 53,241 (+21.7%)

Other notable ones:
13. FLL – 50,904 (-25.8%)
15. KBV – 48,991 (+58.9%)
13. OAK – 45,421 (-26.3%)
16. PVG – 42,620 (+85.5%)
x. HKG – 0 (-100%)

As one can see, nearly all routes in the Top 20 saw declining passenger traffic. Not only did U.S routes regress but also a couple of Asian/Middle Eastern routes such as DXB, PEK, and IKA. As for 2020, more U.S routes (FLL, OAK [and JFK]) will disappear from the list while BKK is to continue falling.



Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:34 am

Blerg wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ARN intercontinental traffic statistics (2019):

1. DXB – 302,551 (-9.0%)
2. DOH – 284,259 (-0.9%)
3. NYC – 278,620 (-14.3%)
4. BKK – 264,276 (-2.9%)
5. LAX – 172,468 (-20.2%)
6. ORD – 136,665 (-3.3%)
7. PEK – 134,520 (-7.3%)
8. ADD – 92,800 (+17.1%)
9. DEL – 66,580 (+3.1%)
10. HKT – 53,241 (-21.7%)

Other notable ones:
13. FLL – 50,904 (-25.8%)
15. KBV – 48,991 (+58.9%)
13. OAK – 45,421 (-26.3%)
16. PVG – 42,620 (+85.5%)
x. HKG – 0 (-100%)

As one can see, nearly all routes in the Top 20 saw declining passenger traffic. Not only did U.S routes regress but also a couple of Asian/Middle Eastern routes such as DXB, PEK, and IKA. As for 2020, more U.S routes (FLL, OAK [and JFK]) will disappear from the list while BKK is to continue falling.



Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.

I believe DY flew with emptier planes to DXB compared to 2018. Also, didn't EK temporarily cut capacity to CPH and ARN during August/September?
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:36 am

Is there a link to the list from ARN?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 6:47 am

Someone83 wrote:
Is there a link to the list from ARN?

Yes: Destinationsstatistik 2019, Swedavia (excel)
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 7:49 am

QuawerAir wrote:
Blerg wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ARN intercontinental traffic statistics (2019):

1. DXB – 302,551 (-9.0%)
2. DOH – 284,259 (-0.9%)
3. NYC – 278,620 (-14.3%)
4. BKK – 264,276 (-2.9%)
5. LAX – 172,468 (-20.2%)
6. ORD – 136,665 (-3.3%)
7. PEK – 134,520 (-7.3%)
8. ADD – 92,800 (+17.1%)
9. DEL – 66,580 (+3.1%)
10. HKT – 53,241 (-21.7%)

Other notable ones:
13. FLL – 50,904 (-25.8%)
15. KBV – 48,991 (+58.9%)
13. OAK – 45,421 (-26.3%)
16. PVG – 42,620 (+85.5%)
x. HKG – 0 (-100%)

As one can see, nearly all routes in the Top 20 saw declining passenger traffic. Not only did U.S routes regress but also a couple of Asian/Middle Eastern routes such as DXB, PEK, and IKA. As for 2020, more U.S routes (FLL, OAK [and JFK]) will disappear from the list while BKK is to continue falling.



Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.

I believe DY flew with emptier planes to DXB compared to 2018. Also, didn't EK temporarily cut capacity to CPH and ARN during August/September?

Didn't DY reduce or even close some of those destinations from ARN during 2019?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 8:10 am

SK A330-300 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Blerg wrote:


Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.

I believe DY flew with emptier planes to DXB compared to 2018. Also, didn't EK temporarily cut capacity to CPH and ARN during August/September?

Didn't DY reduce or even close some of those destinations from ARN during 2019?

Yes, all of the intercontinental routes they flew out of ARN, except for BKK, KBV, and FLL (which will be closed in March). DY still flies to DXB from ARN.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 1:45 pm

Blerg wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ARN intercontinental traffic statistics (2019):

1. DXB – 302,551 (-9.0%)
2. DOH – 284,259 (-0.9%)
3. NYC – 278,620 (-14.3%)
4. BKK – 264,276 (-2.9%)
5. LAX – 172,468 (-20.2%)
6. ORD – 136,665 (-3.3%)
7. PEK – 134,520 (-7.3%)
8. ADD – 92,800 (+17.1%)
9. DEL – 66,580 (+3.1%)
10. HKT – 53,241 (+21.7%)

Other notable ones:
13. FLL – 50,904 (-25.8%)
15. KBV – 48,991 (+58.9%)
13. OAK – 45,421 (-26.3%)
16. PVG – 42,620 (+85.5%)
x. HKG – 0 (-100%)

As one can see, nearly all routes in the Top 20 saw declining passenger traffic. Not only did U.S routes regress but also a couple of Asian/Middle Eastern routes such as DXB, PEK, and IKA. As for 2020, more U.S routes (FLL, OAK [and JFK]) will disappear from the list while BKK is to continue falling.



Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.

I am a little bit unsure but did DY operate on LAX and closed that in 2019? Or is the 20% drop on LAX only on SK and their route to LAX (that recently was moved to CPH)?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 4:23 pm

JCCLAG wrote:
Blerg wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
ARN intercontinental traffic statistics (2019):

1. DXB – 302,551 (-9.0%)
2. DOH – 284,259 (-0.9%)
3. NYC – 278,620 (-14.3%)
4. BKK – 264,276 (-2.9%)
5. LAX – 172,468 (-20.2%)
6. ORD – 136,665 (-3.3%)
7. PEK – 134,520 (-7.3%)
8. ADD – 92,800 (+17.1%)
9. DEL – 66,580 (+3.1%)
10. HKT – 53,241 (+21.7%)

Other notable ones:
13. FLL – 50,904 (-25.8%)
15. KBV – 48,991 (+58.9%)
13. OAK – 45,421 (-26.3%)
16. PVG – 42,620 (+85.5%)
x. HKG – 0 (-100%)

As one can see, nearly all routes in the Top 20 saw declining passenger traffic. Not only did U.S routes regress but also a couple of Asian/Middle Eastern routes such as DXB, PEK, and IKA. As for 2020, more U.S routes (FLL, OAK [and JFK]) will disappear from the list while BKK is to continue falling.



Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.

I am a little bit unsure but did DY operate on LAX and closed that in 2019? Or is the 20% drop on LAX only on SK and their route to LAX (that recently was moved to CPH)?

If I recall correctly, DY made ARN-LAX route seasonal already in 2018 (suspended for W18/19 season).
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:13 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Is there a link to the list from ARN?

Yes: Destinationsstatistik 2019, Swedavia (excel)


Thanks for posting that. Are there similar statistics for other Nordic countries?
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 5:27 pm

B747forever wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
Is there a link to the list from ARN?

Yes: Destinationsstatistik 2019, Swedavia (excel)


Thanks for posting that. Are there similar statistics for other Nordic countries?

No problem :) Stats for other Nordic countries can be found at Eurostat.

Route statistics by country:

The latest data is for September 2019. Full-year statistics should be published in June/July.

At Eurostat, you're also able to see capacity on given routes and therefore be able to calculate PLFs.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 9:41 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
JCCLAG wrote:
Blerg wrote:


Interesting how EK fell by 9% while QR did but only by a relatively small percentage. I wonder why EK was affected more.

I am a little bit unsure but did DY operate on LAX and closed that in 2019? Or is the 20% drop on LAX only on SK and their route to LAX (that recently was moved to CPH)?

If I recall correctly, DY made ARN-LAX route seasonal already in 2018 (suspended for W18/19 season).

So the 20% decrease falls on SK? If that is correct no wonder they changed it to CPH.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:00 pm

IB will take over flying for Finnair on the BCN route in addition to the current MAD starting with the summer season, which frees up one AC for other routes, such as the additional CDG.

Source is lentoposti.fi.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:42 pm

MareBorealis wrote:
The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


If you thing that is long, don't forget what Alsie Express did: Charter from Sønderborg to three Italian destinations, flight time almost 4 hours. Imagine a slow boarding and taxi time, et voilà, your bum could be in that seat for maybe five hours!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rs-in-s18/
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:51 pm

EFHK wrote:
IB will take over flying for Finnair on the BCN route in addition to the current MAD starting with the summer season, which frees up one AC for other routes, such as the additional CDG.

Source is lentoposti.fi.


Good to see more IB colors in HEL, the new deal is made for three years to both BCN and MAD. IB A321 will operate AY1653/1654 to BCN and AY1661/1662 to MAD. The cabin crews come form AY, says lentoposti.fi.

In Finnish: https://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/finna ... perointiin
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 10:55 pm

axelesgg wrote:
MareBorealis wrote:
The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


If you thing that is long, don't forget what Alsie Express did: Charter from Sønderborg to three Italian destinations, flight time almost 4 hours. Imagine a slow boarding and taxi time, et voilà, your bum could be in that seat for maybe five hours!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rs-in-s18/

There's no "did". Believe it or not, but they still do them! They've even added more destinations in Southern(-ish) Europe, such as CIA and ZAD
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 18, 2020 11:03 pm

axelesgg wrote:
MareBorealis wrote:
The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


If you thing that is long, don't forget what Alsie Express did: Charter from Sønderborg to three Italian destinations, flight time almost 4 hours. Imagine a slow boarding and taxi time, et voilà, your bum could be in that seat for maybe five hours!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rs-in-s18/


Probably not so bad though as Alsie have quite a spacious interior with something like only 48 pax on one plane and the other has 62.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:10 am

seansasLCY wrote:
axelesgg wrote:
MareBorealis wrote:
The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


If you thing that is long, don't forget what Alsie Express did: Charter from Sønderborg to three Italian destinations, flight time almost 4 hours. Imagine a slow boarding and taxi time, et voilà, your bum could be in that seat for maybe five hours!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rs-in-s18/


Probably not so bad though as Alsie have quite a spacious interior with something like only 48 pax on one plane and the other has 62.


From Denmark to Napoli and Sardinia on ATR, that's something! And what a cool looking ATR-72:

 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 3:24 am

MareBorealis wrote:
EFHK wrote:
IB will take over flying for Finnair on the BCN route in addition to the current MAD starting with the summer season, which frees up one AC for other routes, such as the additional CDG.

Source is lentoposti.fi.


Good to see more IB colors in HEL, the new deal is made for three years to both BCN and MAD. IB A321 will operate AY1653/1654 to BCN and AY1661/1662 to MAD. The cabin crews come form AY, says lentoposti.fi.

In Finnish: https://www.lentoposti.fi/uutiset/finna ... perointiin


AY has crew bases both in MAD and BCN. At the same time though I wonder what is behind this deal.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 6:19 am

JCCLAG wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
JCCLAG wrote:
I am a little bit unsure but did DY operate on LAX and closed that in 2019? Or is the 20% drop on LAX only on SK and their route to LAX (that recently was moved to CPH)?

If I recall correctly, DY made ARN-LAX route seasonal already in 2018 (suspended for W18/19 season).

So the 20% decrease falls on SK? If that is correct no wonder they changed it to CPH.

If DY made it seasonal W18/19 it would mean that they were flying the route in W17/18. So January to March 18 both SK and DY were flying the route but January to March 19 only SK. In that case the 20% decrease doesn't only fall om SK.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:30 am

SK A330-300 wrote:
JCCLAG wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
If I recall correctly, DY made ARN-LAX route seasonal already in 2018 (suspended for W18/19 season).

So the 20% decrease falls on SK? If that is correct no wonder they changed it to CPH.

If DY made it seasonal W18/19 it would mean that they were flying the route in W17/18. So January to March 18 both SK and DY were flying the route but January to March 19 only SK. In that case the 20% decrease doesn't only fall om SK.

Of course I don’t know what I was thinking.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:14 am

axelesgg wrote:
MareBorealis wrote:
The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


If you thing that is long, don't forget what Alsie Express did: Charter from Sønderborg to three Italian destinations, flight time almost 4 hours. Imagine a slow boarding and taxi time, et voilà, your bum could be in that seat for maybe five hours!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rs-in-s18/


DAT have done that from Odense in many years
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 11:26 am

lesfalls wrote:

AY has crew bases both in MAD and BCN. At the same time though I wonder what is behind this deal.


It's hard for me to see any other reason than optimizing fleet utilization, and freeing up planes for added flights in a situation where no new narrow-bodies are incoming.

MAD and BCN are actually very inefficient for AY (save for the time of year when BCN goes double daily), as the flights need to connect with the afternoon bank, and need to overnight in Spain. So, what you have is a plane flying about 4h 30min first from Spain to HEL, and after an hour or two heading back to Spain, to spend around 12 hours on the ground again.

Now that IB has operated the MAD flight they haven't assigned a specific aircraft to do all of them, but sometimes actually fly other sectors too to/from MAD during the day with the frame.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 12:03 pm

axelesgg wrote:
MareBorealis wrote:
The scheduled flight time HEL-BOO is 2h 35min, that's a long time on ATR-72, I haven't tried the new seats myself yet though. Probably their longest ATR flight ever?


If you thing that is long, don't forget what Alsie Express did: Charter from Sønderborg to three Italian destinations, flight time almost 4 hours. Imagine a slow boarding and taxi time, et voilà, your bum could be in that seat for maybe five hours!
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rs-in-s18/


You would not spend a long time in an ATR before and after landing. Loading and offloading passengers is quick and no sane crew would board passengers early since it lacks air conditioning on the ground.

Air Tahiti has the longest scheduled ATR flight, at 3:45. They use the really horrible bench-seats.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 7:17 pm

Joelatbsl wrote:
There will be Severstal Sukhoi Superjet coming to Helsinki next week with the Barys Nur-Sultan hockey team:

https://hockeycharters.blogspot.com/202 ... -2020.html

More details to come later for sure ...


Barys looks set to arrive directly from Nur-Sultan with the Severstal Superjet tomorrow. Arrival time should be between 1500 and 1600.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 8:37 pm

Does someone have info on the planned SAS 321 LR -routes ? I understand the first route will be CPH-Boston. What about other routes ? Also : when will all 3 LR:s be delivered to SAS?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:02 pm

Northpole wrote:
Does someone have info on the planned SAS 321 LR -routes ? I understand the first route will be CPH-Boston. What about other routes ? Also : when will all 3 LR:s be delivered to SAS?

Only CPH-BOS has been announced. Other routes for the A321LR are expected to be announced during this year, probably late-Summer/early-autumn. The first one will arrive approx. in August. The first flight is SK927 on September 18.
The remaining two will be in service for the S21 schedule
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:05 pm

Juneyao Airlines has apparently applied for 3 weekly Shenzhen–Helsinki route from Nov 2020.

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ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
The word "Quawer" means nothing but it looks great.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 19, 2020 9:22 pm

SASViking wrote:
Northpole wrote:
Does someone have info on the planned SAS 321 LR -routes ? I understand the first route will be CPH-Boston. What about other routes ? Also : when will all 3 LR:s be delivered to SAS?

Only CPH-BOS has been announced. Other routes for the A321LR are expected to be announced during this year, probably late-Summer/early-autumn. The first one will arrive approx. in August. The first flight is SK927 on September 18.
The remaining two will be in service for the S21 schedule


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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 5:50 am

SK ended ARN-OUL again. Only scheduled service from OUL now is HEL.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:19 am

ilari wrote:
SK ended ARN-OUL again. Only scheduled service from OUL now is HEL.


How often did they fly the route and what equipment did they use? I guess bad news just keeps on rolling in for ARN. Last year they lost some 1.2 million passengers from what I can see. They went from 26.8 to 25.6
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:24 am

Blerg wrote:
ilari wrote:
SK ended ARN-OUL again. Only scheduled service from OUL now is HEL.


How often did they fly the route and what equipment did they use? I guess bad news just keeps on rolling in for ARN. Last year they lost some 1.2 million passengers from what I can see. They went from 26.8 to 25.6


3-4 weekly with CRJ.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:48 am

ilari wrote:
Blerg wrote:
ilari wrote:
SK ended ARN-OUL again. Only scheduled service from OUL now is HEL.


How often did they fly the route and what equipment did they use? I guess bad news just keeps on rolling in for ARN. Last year they lost some 1.2 million passengers from what I can see. They went from 26.8 to 25.6


3-4 weekly with CRJ.

When did they end OUL?

I think they have tried ARN-OUL at least three times over the last 10-15 years and it never lasted long.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:01 am

SK A330-300 wrote:
ilari wrote:
Blerg wrote:

How often did they fly the route and what equipment did they use? I guess bad news just keeps on rolling in for ARN. Last year they lost some 1.2 million passengers from what I can see. They went from 26.8 to 25.6


3-4 weekly with CRJ.

When did they end OUL?

I think they have tried ARN-OUL at least three times over the last 10-15 years and it never lasted long.


Not profitable/enough passengers. They only flew 3 or 4 weekly when both Norwegian and Finnair up to 12 daily, so they couldn't compete.

EDIT: Oh, you said when, not why. Two weeks ago.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 9:08 am

ilari wrote:
SK A330-300 wrote:
ilari wrote:

3-4 weekly with CRJ.

When did they end OUL?

I think they have tried ARN-OUL at least three times over the last 10-15 years and it never lasted long.


Not profitable/enough passengers. They only flew 3 or 4 weekly when both Norwegian and Finnair up to 12 daily, so they couldn't compete.

EDIT: Oh, you said when, not why. Two weeks ago.


If it is only 3 times a week and evidently non-peak hours when the plane has nothing else to do, they lose all business travellers from the beginning and get only price sensitive tourists. Did it even match the connecting flights?
For a semi-domestic route twice a day is the minimum to make sense.

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