MareBorealis
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:22 am

Finnair's timetable shows the first scheduled domestic flights with A350, on one day only though: HEL-KTT on 22 March, AY571/574. No Business Class available on domestic flights but the J seats are bookable.

Back in time Finnair's widebodies like MD-11 were seen on the Lapland routes occasionally in winter.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:20 pm

Danish Air Transport-DAT have announced the start of CPH-SXB. The new route will operate on Mondays and Thursdays every three weeks (when there's meetings in the European Parliament).
No details regarding the type of aircraft, but I presume it's gonna be an ATR42/72.

Link from their Facebook in Danish: https://www.facebook.com/30547690965153 ... 005629985/
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:45 pm

I know that Stockholm's primary airport is Arlanda but Bromma is much nearer the city centre and also has a few international flights - e.g. Brussels Airlines. I realise that Bromma isn't exactly empty but what stops airlines from starting routes from other non-Swedish cities to Bromma instead of Arlanda ? Barring the short-ish runway (at least 100m longer than London City airport) which will limit certain aircraft, could Air France for example start a route between Bromma and Paris if they wanted or are there rules/laws/unwritten agreements that would prohibit this ?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:17 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
I know that Stockholm's primary airport is Arlanda but Bromma is much nearer the city centre and also has a few international flights - e.g. Brussels Airlines. I realise that Bromma isn't exactly empty but what stops airlines from starting routes from other non-Swedish cities to Bromma instead of Arlanda ? Barring the short-ish runway (at least 100m longer than London City airport) which will limit certain aircraft, could Air France for example start a route between Bromma and Paris if they wanted or are there rules/laws/unwritten agreements that would prohibit this ?


They could. But, as mentioned the runway is short. Terminal and gate space is limited and there are limited slots for noisier aircraft. Also, the airport is only open for airlines 07.00–22.00 on weekdays, 09.00–17.00 on saturdays and 12.00–22.00 sundays. But apart from that I don't think there is anything stopping new routes as long they are intra-Schengen flights.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:39 pm

Can CRJs and Ejets operate out of Bromma without payload restrictions?
Flying is breathing..no planes no life..
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 10:43 pm

Bostrom wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
I know that Stockholm's primary airport is Arlanda but Bromma is much nearer the city centre and also has a few international flights - e.g. Brussels Airlines. I realise that Bromma isn't exactly empty but what stops airlines from starting routes from other non-Swedish cities to Bromma instead of Arlanda ? Barring the short-ish runway (at least 100m longer than London City airport) which will limit certain aircraft, could Air France for example start a route between Bromma and Paris if they wanted or are there rules/laws/unwritten agreements that would prohibit this ?


They could. But, as mentioned the runway is short. Terminal and gate space is limited and there are limited slots for noisier aircraft. Also, the airport is only open for airlines 07.00–22.00 on weekdays, 09.00–17.00 on saturdays and 12.00–22.00 sundays. But apart from that I don't think there is anything stopping new routes as long they are intra-Schengen flights.


Is there anything to stop outside Schengen flights starting if an airline wanted to? Nextjet announced LCY-BMA a few years back but it never started. And years ago (before Sweden joined EU, Malmo flew to LCY).

There will be several new EU routes starting with BRA launching Riga and Tallinn and Wideroe/BRA launching Oslo. There was service to Lithuania in the past.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 11:11 pm

seansasLCY wrote:
Is there anything to stop outside Schengen flights starting if an airline wanted to?


Lack of immigration facilities.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:02 am

avfiol wrote:
EFHK wrote:
- 70% chance of AY's narrowbody order containing 20 A220s and 20 A32Xneos, 30% chance of being MAX & E2 (the fact that it hasn't been announced yet could suggest that they've gotten a good price from Boeing but wait for the dust to settle around MAX before announcing it)


Well Finnair did have a couple of Cargo 737s many years ago (a taste of their current economy offering - <joke!> ), but 737MAX now - I don't think so given their investment into an Airbus fleet, training and simulators and their experience with Airbus equipment. Remember before that they flew DC-9s, MD-80s and MD-11s (halcyon days) with the 757s only for the holiday flights where the original 321s couldn't match the range, so to move to a Boeing fleet would be strange move I think.

Honestly, I think we're looking either at E2s or A220s in some form. The ATRs will stay, though I can also see a move to pushing traffic to rail for Turku and Tampere possibly.


Yes, due to those reasons, I gave 70% probability to Airbus. But I don't think that Boeing is out of the question.

There's a few things that could combine to end up favoring Boeing:

- Price. When the MAX flies again, Boeing needs to have signals of renewed confidence towards the type. Also, E2 needs more orders too. I wouldn't be shocked if Boeing's offer would be with a significantly lower price tag.

- Availability. Airbus's backlog for the NEO is quite massive. Maybe Boeing could deliver planes sooner?

- CEO. The current one has a financial background (Nordea), and my own speculation is that he was chosen with the narrowbody order in mind. His task is to make sure that the investment will be a financially efficient one, and in that case simply the acquisition price might weigh more than the operational costs/investments. If Boeing's offer is significantly cheaper, it could be hard to pass.

- IAG. Even though it's just a letter of intent, and there's no official relationship between AY and IAG, the group showing interest towards the MAX can bear significance. Yes, this is a little far-fetched, but IF Finnish government were to sell it's majority in AY, IAG would be a perfect fit for AY. Plus, they're still partners and are in JBAs already now, so having a partner with MAX support (training facilities etc) could decrease the edge Airbus has due to familiarity.

I think it will be either A32X&A220 or B737&E2, not mixed with each other. And yes, ATRs will stay at least for another eight years.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:16 am

SAS Dec traffic numbers:

Passengers: 1.962 millions +2,1%
ASK: +0,9%
RPK: +2,6%
Load factor: 71,1% +1,2pp

Yield: 0,95 SEK +2,1%
PASK: 0,67 SEK +4,0%



https://www.sasgroup.net/en/nearly-2-mi ... -december/
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:14 am

ARN passengers Dec ‘19

Domestic: 359.247 -7%
International: 1.447.000 -4%

2019 total: 25.642.623 -4%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:30 am

KEF numbers for the year 2018

Arriving 2.604.900
Departing 2.612.143
Via KEF 2.030.777

Together 7.247.820
change -26.08%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 8:52 am

mjoelnir wrote:
KEF numbers for the year 2018

Arriving 2.604.900
Departing 2.612.143
Via KEF 2.030.777

Together 7.247.820
change -26.08%


Assume you mean 2019?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:45 am

HEL had another record breaking year, 21,861,082 passengers, 4,9% growth.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:11 pm

Someone83 wrote:
ARN passengers Dec ‘19

Domestic: 359.247 -7%
International: 1.447.000 -4%

2019 total: 25.642.623 -4%


I think winter 2020 at ARN will be brutal.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:40 pm

Wonder if the CEO of Arlanda has ever dreamt of a life where Greta doesn't exist.... :-)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:43 pm

Detailed HEL numbers:

December:
Domestic: 299.438 -1.8%
International: 1.393.275 +2.3%
Total: 1.692.713 +1.6%

2019:
Domestic: 2.929.779 -0.9%
International: 18.931.303 +5.8%
Total: 21.861.082 +4.9%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 12:44 pm

davidjohnson6 wrote:
Wonder if the CEO of Arlanda has ever dreamt of a life where Greta doesn't exist.... :-)


But is the drop only because of Greta? I mean things started to go south even before, I think the first contributing factor was the proposed tax. Didn't that force SK to move HKG to CPH?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 2:35 pm

Transportstyrelsen bans flights between Sweden and Iran due to questions regarding the aviation safety in Iran: https://transportstyrelsen.se/sv/Nyhets ... till-iran/ (In Swedish)
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 4:25 pm

Blerg wrote:
davidjohnson6 wrote:
Wonder if the CEO of Arlanda has ever dreamt of a life where Greta doesn't exist.... :-)


But is the drop only because of Greta? I mean things started to go south even before, I think the first contributing factor was the proposed tax. Didn't that force SK to move HKG to CPH?


I think so too. I believe it’s a combination of the tax and a decline in the Swedish economy.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:00 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Detailed HEL numbers

2019:
Domestic: 2.929.779 -0.9%
International: 18.931.303 +5.8%
Total: 21.861.082 +4.9%


Some more HEL data:

Intercontinental: 3.745.218 +12,8

TOP 10:
Japan 836.784 +11.2
China 659.343 +18.1
USA 438.952 +30.5
Thailand 419.712 +1.4
Hong Kong 350.649 +26.5
Qatar 231.728 +12.1
South Korea 214.466 -1.0
Singapore 195.617 -0.2
India 140.524 +6.7
United Arab Emirates 131.234 +12.5

https://www.finavia.fi/en/about-finavia ... stics-year
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:12 pm

MareBorealis wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
Detailed HEL numbers

2019:
Domestic: 2.929.779 -0.9%
International: 18.931.303 +5.8%
Total: 21.861.082 +4.9%


Some more HEL data:

Intercontinental: 3.745.218 +12,8

TOP 10:
Japan 836.784 +11.2
China 659.343 +18.1
USA 438.952 +30.5
Thailand 419.712 +1.4
Hong Kong 350.649 +26.5
Qatar 231.728 +12.1
South Korea 214.466 -1.0
Singapore 195.617 -0.2
India 140.524 +6.7
United Arab Emirates 131.234 +12.5

https://www.finavia.fi/en/about-finavia ... stics-year

For the first time ever, over 1 Mio passengers to Greater China (China/HKG) :)
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
The word "Quawer" means nothing but it looks great.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 6:28 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
For the first time ever, over 1 Mio passengers to Greater China (China/HKG) :)


True. And a strong growth from USA, it used to be far behind Thailand. Qatar still climbing up.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:13 pm

EFHK wrote:
avfiol wrote:
EFHK wrote:
- 70% chance of AY's narrowbody order containing 20 A220s and 20 A32Xneos, 30% chance of being MAX & E2 (the fact that it hasn't been announced yet could suggest that they've gotten a good price from Boeing but wait for the dust to settle around MAX before announcing it)


Well Finnair did have a couple of Cargo 737s many years ago (a taste of their current economy offering - <joke!> ), but 737MAX now - I don't think so given their investment into an Airbus fleet, training and simulators and their experience with Airbus equipment. Remember before that they flew DC-9s, MD-80s and MD-11s (halcyon days) with the 757s only for the holiday flights where the original 321s couldn't match the range, so to move to a Boeing fleet would be strange move I think.

Honestly, I think we're looking either at E2s or A220s in some form. The ATRs will stay, though I can also see a move to pushing traffic to rail for Turku and Tampere possibly.


Yes, due to those reasons, I gave 70% probability to Airbus. But I don't think that Boeing is out of the question.

There's a few things that could combine to end up favoring Boeing:

- Price. When the MAX flies again, Boeing needs to have signals of renewed confidence towards the type. Also, E2 needs more orders too. I wouldn't be shocked if Boeing's offer would be with a significantly lower price tag.

- Availability. Airbus's backlog for the NEO is quite massive. Maybe Boeing could deliver planes sooner?

- CEO. The current one has a financial background (Nordea), and my own speculation is that he was chosen with the narrowbody order in mind. His task is to make sure that the investment will be a financially efficient one, and in that case simply the acquisition price might weigh more than the operational costs/investments. If Boeing's offer is significantly cheaper, it could be hard to pass.

- IAG. Even though it's just a letter of intent, and there's no official relationship between AY and IAG, the group showing interest towards the MAX can bear significance. Yes, this is a little far-fetched, but IF Finnish government were to sell it's majority in AY, IAG would be a perfect fit for AY. Plus, they're still partners and are in JBAs already now, so having a partner with MAX support (training facilities etc) could decrease the edge Airbus has due to familiarity.

I think it will be either A32X&A220 or B737&E2, not mixed with each other. And yes, ATRs will stay at least for another eight years.


I'm not seeing it mentioned anywhere but Airbus Dec O&D spreadsheets shows Nordic Aviation Capital ordering 6xA221 and 14xA223 on Dec 27. This is from MOU in June. These are current customers they list on their website: The company provides aircraft to well-established carriers such as British Airways, Air Canada, LOT, Azul, Lufthansa, Garuda, Flybe, Aeroméxico and airBaltic as well as major regional carriers including Air Nostrum and Widerøe.

I thought this might have been for AirBaltic but this has A221 ordered.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:42 am

Someone83 wrote:
China Eastern is suspensing their ARN route from 15. January til 15. June

So the bad news for ARN just keeps coming

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-1h20/

China Eastern starting next week is temporary suspending Shanghai Pu Dong – Stockholm Arlanda route, as the airline converts this service back to seasonal operation. Currently served 4 times weekly, the Skyteam member is suspending this route from 15JAN20 to 15JUN20.


Im actually not surpriced even QR and TG has been thinking about cutting capacity to ARN.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:18 am

fessor wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
China Eastern is suspensing their ARN route from 15. January til 15. June

So the bad news for ARN just keeps coming

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-1h20/

China Eastern starting next week is temporary suspending Shanghai Pu Dong – Stockholm Arlanda route, as the airline converts this service back to seasonal operation. Currently served 4 times weekly, the Skyteam member is suspending this route from 15JAN20 to 15JUN20.


Im actually not surpriced even QR and TG has been thinking about cutting capacity to ARN.


Тhey have? Didn't QR only recently increase capacity to ARN?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 9:20 am

SAS has currently 1 A321 and 1 A320neo AOG

SE-DOY A320neo is out to sometimes in February after getting a ground damage

OY-KBB A321 has been parked since returning from planned maintenance in December and will not be in traffic untill February as corrosion has been found and has to be fixed
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:42 am

Blerg wrote:
fessor wrote:
Someone83 wrote:
China Eastern is suspensing their ARN route from 15. January til 15. June

So the bad news for ARN just keeps coming

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... e-in-1h20/



Im actually not surpriced even QR and TG has been thinking about cutting capacity to ARN.


Тhey have? Didn't QR only recently increase capacity to ARN?



Yes, they fly 2-3 daily mixing 777-300 and A350-900/1000.
It’s just around a couple of years ago they used 787-8 mostly.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:49 pm

They willl go back to B787-8 and A359 i was told.
TG plan to cut capacity to ARN this is still not sure but the 787-9 or A359 is mentioned
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:54 pm

What's causing the decline in Swedish economy? I read that here many times so I am curious especially since other Nordic economies seem to be doing quite ok.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 6:46 pm

Blerg wrote:
What's causing the decline in Swedish economy? I read that here many times so I am curious especially since other Nordic economies seem to be doing quite ok.



It’s not declining, just the growth going down. Maybe because it’s GDP grew more than for the neighbours last 10 years or so. Sweden’s economy is very export dependent and affected by a downturn in the worlds economy and Trumps tariffs.
Last decade Finland has been struggling most, I think it’s 1 or 2 years ago their GDP recovered from the financial crisis in 2008.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:09 am

kanye wrote:
Blerg wrote:
What's causing the decline in Swedish economy? I read that here many times so I am curious especially since other Nordic economies seem to be doing quite ok.



It’s not declining, just the growth going down.
isn’t that the same thing ;-). I mean decline and ‘growth going down’...
I do not think you can look at the GDP alone. GDP is a blunt number and have have been boosted lately in Sweden. GDP/capita is a better measurement and that number have declined recently. Still since it is not the average person that goes LH I am not sure if that can explain the whole decline. I think there are some other factors as well.

-The cost. The income is in SEK but the cost is predominantly in other currencies. A weaker SEK makes that combination less attractive. Another cost is of course this tax. I wonder if the airlines have been able to fully compensate with higher prices or if the margins are suffering.

-The already mentioned environmental discussion probably influence the demand. I personally wonder how much it influences LH or if the effects cannot more be seen in domestic and on the European routes.

-Another thing that I suppose influence demand is again the weaker currency. It is simply more expensive to travel abroad. So you find alternatives.

-My theory why SAS opened up on LAX and HKG is that 1) there was a political pressure from Sweden to open up LH on ARN, 2) SAS needed to “teach” CPH that they we’re not indispensable 3) This was a test from SAS to meet competition from Norwegian and Finnair. Now there is no political pressure from Sweden (MP runs the show), CPH have learned part of the lesson and SAS realised it didn’t work. With a weaker margin and lower demand all things tipped the balance.

-Norwegian have some general issues with the profits. If there are issues with demand and cost I suppose the decision wasn't difficult. Note that they also closed in CPH so it was not a specific ARN thing.

-Ryanair on skavsta had a pressure to look at their programs after Max issues. With some routes on the margin I again guess these demand and cost issues tipped the balance in Sweden’s disfavour.

-China air. Haven’t their Shanghai route always struggled on the margin?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 8:40 pm

https://check-in.dk/billund-lufthavn-tr ... te-i-2020/

Behind paywall
But do anyone have an idea what intercontinental routes that could be possible
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Sun Jan 12, 2020 9:13 pm

fessor wrote:
https://check-in.dk/billund-lufthavn-tror-paa-oversoeisk-rute-i-2020/

Behind paywall
But do anyone have an idea what intercontinental routes that could be possible

Apart from some charter routes by Sunclass and/or TUI my bet would be QR to DOH on the soon-to-be delivered A321Neo's (perhaps even the A321LR's). Perhaps FZ to DXB once the MAX's are up and running again. I doubt there'll be any routes to Northern America.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 12:17 pm

CPH traffic data:

December:
Domestic: 103.369 ±0%
Europe: 1.693.042 +2,2%
Intercontinental: 267.506 -7,2%
Total: 2.063.917 +0,8%

2019:
Domestic: 1.487.932 -6,2%
Europe: 25.035.098 -0,3%
Intercontinental: 3.733.673 +3,4%
Total: 30.256.703 -0,1%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 1:35 pm

Bostrom wrote:
CPH traffic data:

2019:
Domestic: 1.487.932 -6,2%
Europe: 25.035.098 -0,3%
Intercontinental: 3.733.673 +3,4%
Total: 30.256.703 -0,1%


It looks HEL passed CPH in the intercontinental traffic for the very first time, by a narrow margin. A big difference in the total numbers though.

2019 HEL Intercontinental: 3.745.218 +12,8
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:13 pm

Blue Air is starting both OSL and CPH 2x weekly from Bacau from mid June. Doesn't say about CPH, but OSL seems to be a Summer seasonal (June-September)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-s20/

Bacau – Oslo 15JUN20 – 11SEP20 2 weekly 737-800
0B2983 BCM0755 – 0955OSL 738 15
0B2984 OSL1040 – 1440BCM 738 15


Bacau – Copenhagen eff 16JUN20 2 weekly 737-800
0B2953 BCM1400 – 1550CPH 738 26
0B2954 CPH1635 – 2000BCM 738 26
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:31 pm

Someone83 wrote:
Blue Air is starting both OSL and CPH 2x weekly from Bacau from mid June. Doesn't say about CPH, but OSL seems to be a Summer seasonal (June-September)

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... rk-in-s20/

Bacau – Oslo 15JUN20 – 11SEP20 2 weekly 737-800
0B2983 BCM0755 – 0955OSL 738 15
0B2984 OSL1040 – 1440BCM 738 15


Bacau – Copenhagen eff 16JUN20 2 weekly 737-800
0B2953 BCM1400 – 1550CPH 738 26
0B2954 CPH1635 – 2000BCM 738 26

CPH is from June 16 to October 24 according to their booking system
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 2:58 pm

MareBorealis wrote:
Bostrom wrote:
CPH traffic data:

2019:
Domestic: 1.487.932 -6,2%
Europe: 25.035.098 -0,3%
Intercontinental: 3.733.673 +3,4%
Total: 30.256.703 -0,1%


It looks HEL passed CPH in the intercontinental traffic for the very first time, by a narrow margin. A big difference in the total numbers though.

2019 HEL Intercontinental: 3.745.218 +12,8

True :) Not surpising given the recent growth in intercontinental traffic.
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 3:24 pm

Today, January 13, is the day a historic flight resumes. At 2pm (LAX time) flight SK932 will take off from LAX towards CPH.
SK931/932 CPH-LAX-CPH is a historic flight number (and route) as they where the first commercial flights from Europe to the Pacific via the North Pole. The first flight was on November 15, 1954.

More about the first flights in 1954 from Scandinavian Traveler: https://scandinaviantraveler.com/en/avi ... e-met-leif
Types flown: A319, A320, A32N, A321, A332, A333, A343, AT43, AT75, AT76, B717, B732, B735, B736, B737, B738, B752, B753, CRJ9, DC10, DH4D, DHC3, E135, E145, E175, E190, E195, F100, MD11, MD81, MD82, MD87, RJ1H
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 4:06 pm

Blerg wrote:
What's causing the decline in Swedish economy? I read that here many times so I am curious especially since other Nordic economies seem to be doing quite ok.


One explanation for the decline of domestic aviation by 9 percent in 2019 compared to 2018 is reduced to travel at work due to "busy doing at home." This is what Charlotte Ljunggren, Director of Market and Commercial Development at Swedavia, told TT.

"There has previously been a high pressure on the west and east coast, where many architects, consultants, and structural engineers have traveled to work.

Companies are also becoming more environmentally conscious and more people are choosing to hold video conferences instead of physical meetings, she explains.
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And SJ (state railways) also advertises that you can make 40,000 train journeys for every flight on the same route from an environmental point of view.
I made the trip Stockholm-Gothenburg in first class when I was going to pick up a new car, the train was overcrowded and almost everyone sat and worked at their laptops o had telephone meetings
tests have also shown that the train is about 20 min faster between Stockholm-Gothenburg if you count from door to door. Stockholm-Malmo losses to the flight, but not really that much.
When it comes to international travel, I think the big problem is taxes and currency weakening, and that some have actually taken it upon themselves that you don't have to go abroad twice a year for your vacation. :cool2:
It's not what u do,it's how u do it!
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 5:14 pm

OSL Dec '19
Domestic: 854.211 +0,3
International: 1.145.517 +2,0
Total: 2.001.859 +1,3

Full year then ended at 28.592.619, a small increase of 0,3%
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 7:47 pm

SK1521 CPH-ABZ has been circling Aberdeen but then declared emergency and is diverting to Edinburgh. Other arrivals to ABZ seem to be flowing as normal. Is it a technical issue with the 'plane which requires a longer runway and they are running out of fuel?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 8:21 pm

kameleonten wrote:
SK1521 CPH-ABZ has been circling Aberdeen but then declared emergency and is diverting to Edinburgh. Other arrivals to ABZ seem to be flowing as normal. Is it a technical issue with the 'plane which requires a longer runway and they are running out of fuel?

Probably. My guess is that it's a locked nosewheel. CityJet have had quite a few problems with that recently.

Edit: According to Danish newspaper Ekstra Bladet it went to EDI due to the strong winds at ABZ
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:14 pm

Emergency due to low fuel or what?
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:31 pm

Due to the Folk och Försvar-conference in Sälen, SAS flew a 737-700 ARN-SCR last sunday. I guess there will be a flight back after the conference as well.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 1:25 pm

SE-ROK planned for delivery to SAS today per Skyliner

Airbus A320 -251N 9451 SE-ROK SAS delivery 14jan20 TLS-ARN
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 4:05 pm

Bostrom wrote:
Due to the Folk och Försvar-conference in Sälen, SAS flew a 737-700 ARN-SCR last sunday. I guess there will be a flight back after the conference as well.


Return flight planned for tomorrow (Wednesday) morning. SK7011
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:22 pm

Finnair launches a new seasonal route to Bodø, Norway in S20. The route will be flown between 17 Jun 2020 and 20 Aug 2020.

AY949 HEL 06:45 – 08:20 BOO E90 (Wed)
AY950 BOO 08:55 – 12:30 HEL E90 (Wed)

AY949 HEL 18:35 – 20:10 BOO E90 (Sun)
AY950 BOO 20:45 – 00:20+1 HEL E90 (Sun)

Twitter / Finnair
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
The word "Quawer" means nothing but it looks great.
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 5:33 pm

QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair launches a new seasonal route to Bodø, Norway in S20. The route will be flown between 17 Jun 2020 and 20 Aug 2020.

AY949 HEL 06:45 – 08:20 BOO E90 (Wed)
AY950 BOO 08:55 – 12:30 HEL E90 (Wed)

AY949 HEL 18:35 – 20:10 BOO E90 (Sun)
AY950 BOO 20:45 – 00:20+1 HEL E90 (Sun)

Twitter / Finnair


It is scheduled to operate with NoRRA and ATR, not E-190
 
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Re: Nordic Aviation - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 6:01 pm

Someone83 wrote:
QuawerAir wrote:
Finnair launches a new seasonal route to Bodø, Norway in S20. The route will be flown between 17 Jun 2020 and 20 Aug 2020.

AY949 HEL 06:45 – 08:20 BOO E90 (Wed)
AY950 BOO 08:55 – 12:30 HEL E90 (Wed)

AY949 HEL 18:35 – 20:10 BOO E90 (Sun)
AY950 BOO 20:45 – 00:20+1 HEL E90 (Sun)

Twitter / Finnair


It is scheduled to operate with NoRRA and ATR, not E-190

Correct.
ATL, AYT, FRA, FUE, HEL, JFK, LCA, LHR, MUC | AY, BA, DL, FH, LH, LO | A320, A321, A333, 752, 764, 772, 788
The word "Quawer" means nothing but it looks great.

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