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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 20, 2020 9:28 pm

Any word from AA about deeper domestic cuts nationwide or per hub? Reduction in route frequencies... What will go and what will stay?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 3:15 am

masseybrown wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Alright, what's going on at AA??.


Bringing Americans home?


AA is still planning on running flights on some international routes, but cargo only. If nothing else, at least (1) cargo is still flowing and (2) pilots are still working towards keeping their type ratings active (especially on the widebodies).
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 12:34 pm

Any clue when the 767s will come out of the schedule?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 2:09 pm

ctrabs0114 wrote:
masseybrown wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Alright, what's going on at AA??.


Bringing Americans home?


AA is still planning on running flights on some international routes, but cargo only. If nothing else, at least (1) cargo is still flowing and (2) pilots are still working towards keeping their type ratings active (especially on the widebodies).


Yesterday, flight 9440 was a 77W doing DFW-FRA cargo only.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:14 pm

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Any clue when the 767s will come out of the schedule?

The word was they will be retired in May. AA runs schedule changes in the wee hours of Sunday mornings, so that may show up tomorrow, along with more flight reductions due to the virus situation. Because of the international restrictions applying to a number of AA hubs, the near term changes may simply eliminate a lot of the 767-operated trips anyway, so we'd have to look at July and later to really see the equipment changes going forward.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:25 am

Midwestindy wrote:
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Alright, what's going on at AA??

From March 16 to May 6, they said they would operate only a daily DFW/MIA-LHR and a 3x weekly DFW-NRT.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

Except... it looks like March 19 had 3 DFW-LHR flights, 2 MIA-LHR flights, and 2 DFW-NRT flights.

Today, March 20, British Airways' LHR-DFW flight is cancelled and AA is running 4 DFW-LHR flights along with 2 DFW-NRT and 2 MIA-LHR flights.

Not only that, AA said DFW-HND would be delayed until May, but it's available for booking from March 28 on a 77W.


Check back early Sunday morning, that's when these changes will likely be loaded


DFW-HND's no longer available starting next week.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 4:47 am

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

AA currently at 15% LF on their flights, expectation is it could get worse

Reduce schedule by 60% in April, then 80% in May
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 4:23 am

“Final decision on Philadelphia to Dubrovnik route’s fate on April 5”.

https://www.exyuaviation.com/2020/03/am ... e.html?m=1
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:44 pm

Anyone have a bad engagement with Jon NYC here? I was having a convo on one of his posts with another pilot (about the future fleet types and speculation). That was when I received a DM From Jon saying to “**** Off” and was almost instantaneously blocked.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 1:45 am

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Anyone have a bad engagement with Jon NYC here? I was having a convo on one of his posts with another pilot (about the future fleet types and speculation). That was when I received a DM From Jon saying to “**** Off” and was almost instantaneously blocked.

If you call him out and prove him wrong, he will block you.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:25 pm

Per analyst note today from Joseph W. DeNardi at investment banking firm Stifel, as part of broader structural shrinking in the industry they see AA pulling back on PHX and PHL hubs.

They also see AA as having the most stressed balance and in need of the most additional financing ($7.5-9.5Bil).
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 pm

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Per analyst note today from Joseph W. DeNardi at investment banking firm Stifel, as part of broader structural shrinking in the industry they see AA pulling back on PHX and PHL hubs.

They also see AA as having the most stressed balance and in need of the most additional financing ($7.5-9.5Bil).

IIRC, per AA’s CEO, they plan to ask for $12B.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:49 pm

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IIRC, per AA’s CEO, they plan to ask for $12B.


And you expect AA to get that amount?

The CARE Act provides for $25bil total in grants for passenger airlines. With likely 10+ airlines seeking funds, and with AA representing about ~17% domestic market share, the idea that it will even come close to receiving half allowed grant amounts is very unlikely imo.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:55 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Per analyst note today from Joseph W. DeNardi at investment banking firm Stifel, as part of broader structural shrinking in the industry they see AA pulling back on PHX and PHL hubs.

They also see AA as having the most stressed balance and in need of the most additional financing ($7.5-9.5Bil).


I'd be interested to hear the logic behind PHL. With the retirements of E190s, B757s, B767s, & A333s & A321XLRs not coming until 2023, I'd assume that would impact PHL more than any other hub in the short-run, but I didn't imagine an overall pullback significantly greater than what other hubs will see in the long-run given the role Philly serves in AA's network.

janders wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
IIRC, per AA’s CEO, they plan to ask for $12B.


And you expect AA to get that amount?

The CARE Act provides for $25bil total in grants for passenger airlines. With likely 10+ airlines seeking funds, and with AA representing about ~17% domestic market share, the idea that it will even come close to receiving half allowed grant amounts is very unlikely imo.


"American is eligible for about $6 billion in payroll grants and $6 billion in loans under a stimulus package"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21H3H1
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:37 am

AA is pushing back some of its international flights even further

CLT/JFK/DFW/ORD/PHL-FCO appear gone for the summer
PHL-FCO & JFK-MXP show an Oct 1st return, DFW-FCO shows a Nov 1st return

Lots of other routes like JFK-BCN are showing Oct 1st returns
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 2:51 am

Midwestindy wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Per analyst note today from Joseph W. DeNardi at investment banking firm Stifel, as part of broader structural shrinking in the industry they see AA pulling back on PHX and PHL hubs.

They also see AA as having the most stressed balance and in need of the most additional financing ($7.5-9.5Bil).


I'd be interested to hear the logic behind PHL. With the retirements of E190s, B757s, B767s, & A333s & A321XLRs not coming until 2023, I'd assume that would impact PHL more than any other hub in the short-run, but I didn't imagine an overall pullback significantly greater than what other hubs will see in the long-run given the role Philly serves in AA's network.

janders wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
IIRC, per AA’s CEO, they plan to ask for $12B.


And you expect AA to get that amount?

The CARE Act provides for $25bil total in grants for passenger airlines. With likely 10+ airlines seeking funds, and with AA representing about ~17% domestic market share, the idea that it will even come close to receiving half allowed grant amounts is very unlikely imo.


"American is eligible for about $6 billion in payroll grants and $6 billion in loans under a stimulus package"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21H3H1


Declaring they're eligible for $12 Billion doesn't mean they're going to ask for $12 Billion. Parker has acknowledged they don't know the terms of grants and loans. Treasury can ask for equity and collateral for both bailout elements. AA's market cap is only $5.2 Billion. Do you think Parker is going to commit 100% of unencumbered assets and give Treasury half the airline?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:18 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Per analyst note today from Joseph W. DeNardi at investment banking firm Stifel, as part of broader structural shrinking in the industry they see AA pulling back on PHX and PHL hubs.

They also see AA as having the most stressed balance and in need of the most additional financing ($7.5-9.5Bil).


I'd be interested to hear the logic behind PHL. With the retirements of E190s, B757s, B767s, & A333s & A321XLRs not coming until 2023, I'd assume that would impact PHL more than any other hub in the short-run, but I didn't imagine an overall pullback significantly greater than what other hubs will see in the long-run given the role Philly serves in AA's network.

janders wrote:

And you expect AA to get that amount?

The CARE Act provides for $25bil total in grants for passenger airlines. With likely 10+ airlines seeking funds, and with AA representing about ~17% domestic market share, the idea that it will even come close to receiving half allowed grant amounts is very unlikely imo.


"American is eligible for about $6 billion in payroll grants and $6 billion in loans under a stimulus package"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21H3H1


Declaring they're eligible for $12 Billion doesn't mean they're going to ask for $12 Billion. Parker has acknowledged they don't know the terms of grants and loans. Treasury can ask for equity and collateral for both bailout elements. AA's market cap is only $5.2 Billion. Do you think Parker is going to commit 100% of unencumbered assets and give Treasury half the airline?


Janders said that it wasn't likely that AA could receive that amount, I was simply pointing out how they got to that number.

Additionally FWIW the first line of the article is this, "American Airlines Holdings Inc (AAL.O) intends to apply for up to $12 billion in government aid"
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:01 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
AA is pushing back some of its international flights even further

CLT/JFK/DFW/ORD/PHL-FCO appear gone for the summer
PHL-FCO & JFK-MXP show an Oct 1st return, DFW-FCO shows a Nov 1st return

Lots of other routes like JFK-BCN are showing Oct 1st returns


That makes a lot of sense. My guess is that demand won't be there even by Oct/Nov for some of these flights unless they are looking for 60% LF.

Midwestindy wrote:
Janders said that it wasn't likely that AA could receive that amount, I was simply pointing out how they got to that number.

Additionally FWIW the first line of the article is this, "American Airlines Holdings Inc (AAL.O) intends to apply for up to $12 billion in government aid"

also given the news out of NK and F9, they are probably not seeking for the bailout. WN has said they are not sure if they are taking the aids. I don't know if that means the remaining carriers will be eligible for more.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:29 pm

Looks like AA has slashed PHL-CMN/DBV/TXL/FCO/VCE/BCN/KEF/MAN/EDI/PRG/BUD/ATH/CDG for the summer.

No longer available on aa.com

In other words, only LHR, ZRH, and MAD remain. For now.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:34 pm

Inventory management might be still messing around, but it appears to be a large wide scale cut in TA service through at least August. It looks like they retreated back to DFW/ORD for S20 TA service.

Checking random dates in the summer
PHL/ORD - VCE appear zeroed out
PHL/CLT/MIA/JFK - BCN appear zeroed out.
*ORD - BCN remains at the moment
PHL/CLT - CDG appear zeroed out
PHL/CLT - DUB appear zeroed out
*ORD/DFW - DUB remain
PHL-AMS appear zeroed out
*DFW-AMS remains

CLT lost everything except LHR.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:41 pm

DFW-MUC/FCO gone for the summer

DFW-DUB, LHR, AMS, FRA, MAD, CDG remain.

ORD-KRK/BUD/PRG gone as well. No longer available through the summer and their inaugural launch dates.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:41 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Inventory management might be still messing around, but it appears to be a large wide scale cut in TA service through at least August. It looks like they retreated back to DFW/ORD for S20 TA service.

Checking random dates in the summer
PHL/ORD - VCE appear zeroed out
PHL/CLT/MIA/JFK - BCN appear zeroed out.
*ORD - BCN remains at the moment
PHL/CLT - CDG appear zeroed out
PHL/CLT - DUB appear zeroed out
*ORD/DFW - DUB remain
PHL-AMS appear zeroed out
*DFW-AMS remains

CLT lost everything except LHR.


CLT-MUC is still there

Every PHL route except MAD, LHR, ZRH, has been slashed.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:49 pm

ORD-ATH/LHR/DUB/BCN still available

ORD-CDG/VCE/FCO cut
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:51 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:

I'd be interested to hear the logic behind PHL. With the retirements of E190s, B757s, B767s, & A333s & A321XLRs not coming until 2023, I'd assume that would impact PHL more than any other hub in the short-run, but I didn't imagine an overall pullback significantly greater than what other hubs will see in the long-run given the role Philly serves in AA's network.



"American is eligible for about $6 billion in payroll grants and $6 billion in loans under a stimulus package"

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21H3H1


Declaring they're eligible for $12 Billion doesn't mean they're going to ask for $12 Billion. Parker has acknowledged they don't know the terms of grants and loans. Treasury can ask for equity and collateral for both bailout elements. AA's market cap is only $5.2 Billion. Do you think Parker is going to commit 100% of unencumbered assets and give Treasury half the airline?


Janders said that it wasn't likely that AA could receive that amount, I was simply pointing out how they got to that number.

Additionally FWIW the first line of the article is this, "American Airlines Holdings Inc (AAL.O) intends to apply for up to $12 billion in government aid"

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:54 pm

It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:56 pm

It took years for AA to build up their TATL network only to be slashed in the blink of a eye. Wonder what will return in Latin America and South Pacific...
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:12 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...


Unfortunately, their main TATL gateway isn't approved for COVID testing and lost a ton of early retired aircraft on those routes. I would think these had a lot to do with their decision. I also wouldn't be surprised if further adjustments come from ORD and DFW depending on how this continues.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:15 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...

They are not making ORD and DFW their gateways... This is a temporary solution given PHL/CLT are not approved international gateways. Long hauls are not going to make make profits for any carrier. It makes complete sense to route passengers through their partner hubs till there is any meaningful demand. Expect others to follow suit.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:23 pm

aerace wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...


Unfortunately, their main TATL gateway isn't approved for COVID testing and lost a ton of early retired aircraft on those routes. I would think these had a lot to do with their decision. I also wouldn't be surprised if further adjustments come from ORD and DFW depending on how this continues.


Are they really expecting to still be testing in June, July, and August?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:24 pm

onwFan wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...

They are not making ORD and DFW their gateways... This is a temporary solution given PHL/CLT are not approved international gateways. Long hauls are not going to make make profits for any carrier. It makes complete sense to route passengers through their partner hubs till there is any meaningful demand. Expect others to follow suit.


I would agree with this but then why is PHL-LHR/MAD/ZRH supposed to fly?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:29 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
onwFan wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...

They are not making ORD and DFW their gateways... This is a temporary solution given PHL/CLT are not approved international gateways. Long hauls are not going to make make profits for any carrier. It makes complete sense to route passengers through their partner hubs till there is any meaningful demand. Expect others to follow suit.


I would agree with this but then why is PHL-LHR/MAD/ZRH supposed to fly?


Just wait a bit more. Looks like the changes are still being loaded.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:36 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
aerace wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
It’s really silly in desperate for AA to just give up the whole east coast of the US. Not a smart move to make ORD and DFW your transatlantic gateways...


Unfortunately, their main TATL gateway isn't approved for COVID testing and lost a ton of early retired aircraft on those routes. I would think these had a lot to do with their decision. I also wouldn't be surprised if further adjustments come from ORD and DFW depending on how this continues.


Are they really expecting to still be testing in June, July, and August?


This thing is crazy so who the hell knows.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 1:43 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
onwFan wrote:
They are not making ORD and DFW their gateways... This is a temporary solution given PHL/CLT are not approved international gateways. Long hauls are not going to make make profits for any carrier. It makes complete sense to route passengers through their partner hubs till there is any meaningful demand. Expect others to follow suit.


I would agree with this but then why is PHL-LHR/MAD/ZRH supposed to fly?


Just wait a bit more. Looks like the changes are still being loaded.

It looks like they are picking one hub to maintain service to some existing destinations. ORD-BCN, CLT-MUC, PHL-ZRH.
LHR/MAD are OW hubs.

But again, this can all change and likely will change.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:10 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
onwFan wrote:
They are not making ORD and DFW their gateways... This is a temporary solution given PHL/CLT are not approved international gateways. Long hauls are not going to make make profits for any carrier. It makes complete sense to route passengers through their partner hubs till there is any meaningful demand. Expect others to follow suit.


I would agree with this but then why is PHL-LHR/MAD/ZRH supposed to fly?


Just wait a bit more. Looks like the changes are still being loaded.


Exactly. It's still too soon to tell. But IMHO I feel that the slashing we're seeing is a reflection of what has to be zero or near-zero advance bookings. Let's face it...with all the people now unemployed and with more to come, plus people like me who still have a job but a hefty pay cut (25% in my case)...a lot of which could continue into at least the 3Q...who the hell is going to be flying trans-Atlantic this summer on traditional peak-season vacations to Europe??? Leisure traffic, both domestic and int'l., is going to take a lot longer to recover than business travel.
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American Airlines Delays BLR, KRK, CMN, TLV, CHC, to 2021

Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:10 pm

Looks like the majority of AA's destinations will not begin this year.

DFW-AKL delayed to winter 2021
LAX-CHC delayed to winter 2021
PHL-CMN delayed to 2021
SEA-BLR moved to 2021
ORD-KRK/BUD/PRG moved to 2021.
DFW-TLV moved to September 2021

Inaugural BOS-LHR moved to October 25, 2020.

23 summer seasonal routes will not fly for summer 2020, with the majority of route cuts at PHL.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:33 pm

This is all kind of mute even if restrictions were lifted soon, traffic to Europe from the US will be off some 80-90% this summer.
 
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Re: American Airlines Delays BLR, KRK, CMN, TLV, CHC, to 2021

Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:36 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Looks like the majority of AA's destinations will not begin this year.

DFW-AKL delayed to winter 2021
LAX-CHC delayed to winter 2021
PHL-CMN delayed to 2021
SEA-BLR moved to 2021
ORD-KRK/BUD/PRG moved to 2021.
DFW-TLV moved to September 2021

Inaugural BOS-LHR moved to October 25, 2020.

23 summer seasonal routes will not fly for summer 2020, with the majority of route cuts at PHL.

http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx


Pretty insane, but not surprising (besides the depth of the PHL cuts). So as of now, the following long haul routes will operate during peak July/August/September schedules:

LAX-LHR
LAX-HND
DFW-LIM
DFW-GRU
DFW-DUB
DFW-LHR
DFW-MAD (not specifically mentioned as resuming or being suspended...)
DFW-CDG (not specifically mentioned as resuming or being suspended...)
DFW-AMS
DFW-FRA
DFW-HND
DFW-ICN
DFW-HKG
ORD-DUB
ORD-LHR
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH (the pleasant surprise of the day!)
MIA-LIM
MIA-SCL
MIA-EZE
MIA-GRU
MIA-GIG
MIA-LHR
MIA-MAD
CLT-LHR
CLT-MUC
RDU-LHR
PHL-LHR
PHL-MAD
PHL-ZRH
JFK-EZE
JFK-GRU
JFK-LHR
JFK-MAD
JFK-CDG

Then most of the year-round routes are currently slated to return in October.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 6:52 am

The airlines know people won't feel comfortable by summer and are trying to stop the bleeding. OAG thread is gonna be massive this week for AA. 80 percent reduction in Pacific capacity, a 65 percent reduction in Atlantic capacity and a 48 percent reduction in Latin America capacity for summer. AA has stated summer surge won't happen even with a miracle. Kind of agree at this point , hard to imagine demand filling even that. More cuts I think will have to happen. Gonna be alot of parked planes even retiring the 75s and 76s.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 7:56 am

Didn't see this posted here:

"American Airlines will go from the pre-crisis typical 250 weekday flights from Washington Reagan National Airport to about 28 in May. It will shrink from close to 100 flights a day at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport to just 11 flights a day. At its Dallas-Fort Worth hub, American will decline from nearly 1,000 planned flights a day this summer to around 350"

The cuts are prompted by the sharp demand reduction. “Literally we have flights that are 5% full,” Raja said. Washington flights are often 10-12% full and been hurt by a big decline in government travel, he added.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21K3KT
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Re: American Airlines Delays BLR, KRK, CMN, TLV, CHC, to 2021

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:36 am

FSDan wrote:

Pretty insane, but not surprising (besides the depth of the PHL cuts). So as of now, the following long haul routes will operate during peak July/August/September schedules:

LAX-LHR
LAX-HND
DFW-LIM
DFW-GRU
DFW-DUB
DFW-LHR
DFW-MAD (not specifically mentioned as resuming or being suspended...)
DFW-CDG (not specifically mentioned as resuming or being suspended...)
DFW-AMS
DFW-FRA
DFW-HND
DFW-ICN
DFW-HKG
ORD-DUB
ORD-LHR
ORD-BCN
ORD-ATH (the pleasant surprise of the day!)
MIA-LIM
MIA-SCL
MIA-EZE
MIA-GRU
MIA-GIG
MIA-LHR
MIA-MAD
CLT-LHR
CLT-MUC
RDU-LHR
PHL-LHR
PHL-MAD
PHL-ZRH
JFK-EZE
JFK-GRU
JFK-LHR
JFK-MAD
JFK-CDG

Then most of the year-round routes are currently slated to return in October.


Wouldn't all long haul from CLT, RDU and PHL be pending government approval due to the 10 getaway rules at present? What if the administration decide to open travel but still restrict the entry to certain airports only to do arrival checks? I know I am speculating, but I think it could be a likely scenario.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:56 am

Out of Chicago in June the only city served in Continental Europe is Athens, Greece!

It doesn't mean that it is going to happen, but the fact that there would ever be a month when AA would only serve Athens, Greece in continental Europe out of Chicago is something insane. No Spain, Italy, France, but Greece!
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:06 pm

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Out of Chicago in June the only city served in Continental Europe is Athens, Greece!

It doesn't mean that it is going to happen, but the fact that there would ever be a month when AA would only serve Athens, Greece in continental Europe out of Chicago is something insane. No Spain, Italy, France, but Greece!

I think they are trying to retain flights from one hub each to most destinations if possible, thats it. Will pull down based on how the situation evolved. There’s not much to read into...
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 12:44 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Didn't see this posted here:

"American Airlines will go from the pre-crisis typical 250 weekday flights from Washington Reagan National Airport to about 28 in May. It will shrink from close to 100 flights a day at New York’s John F. Kennedy International Airport to just 11 flights a day. At its Dallas-Fort Worth hub, American will decline from nearly 1,000 planned flights a day this summer to around 350"

The cuts are prompted by the sharp demand reduction. “Literally we have flights that are 5% full,” Raja said. Washington flights are often 10-12% full and been hurt by a big decline in government travel, he added.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-heal ... SKBN21K3KT


.... it’s OFFICIAL...DCA CATERING IS CLOSING as of new May bid.
Rumored that LSG will take over remaining AA mainline catering. Republic will take over BOS & LGA shuttle operations, and express will be reduced to a handful of flights.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:29 pm

28 flights a day from DCA! That just boggles the mind. There's no doubt in my mind that AA might not lay off workers until September but will severely cut hours and seek to void labor contracts. The airline industry is going to take years to recover. Post September the number of firing will be unthinkable and horribly sad.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:46 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
28 flights a day from DCA! That just boggles the mind. There's no doubt in my mind that AA might not lay off workers until September but will severely cut hours and seek to void labor contracts. The airline industry is going to take years to recover. Post September the number of firing will be unthinkable and horribly sad.


One side effect of this will be direct impact on all the folks in DC (thinking Congress) who have grown quite accustomed to their direct flights into DCA. Perhaps it will wake them up to the need to take very strong action to ensure that our US Aviation Industry does not collapse when they have to wait in ORD or DFW for four hours waiting for the one flight that day to DCA.
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American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 1:53 pm

brooklynchris13 wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:
28 flights a day from DCA! That just boggles the mind. There's no doubt in my mind that AA might not lay off workers until September but will severely cut hours and seek to void labor contracts. The airline industry is going to take years to recover. Post September the number of firing will be unthinkable and horribly sad.


One side effect of this will be direct impact on all the folks in DC (thinking Congress) who have grown quite accustomed to their direct flights into DCA. Perhaps it will wake them up to the need to take very strong action to ensure that our US Aviation Industry does not collapse when they have to wait in ORD or DFW for four hours waiting for the one flight that day to DCA.

That amount of flying is for the May schedule..... when the airline is cutting 80% of domestic flying. Those politicians may or may not be actively traveling next month depending on how this virus behaves.


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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 10:58 pm

Not surprising, but a good visual. For reference, ABQ had one passenger
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 11:59 pm

Did you buy AAL? I'm considering it.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:42 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Not surprising, but a good visual. For reference, ABQ had one passenger
Image

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Such sad & depressing figures, but fascinating, especially that the route with the highest L/F is a AA spoke to a UA hub! Wonder why IAH was the highest?? Bizarre (to me).
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:51 pm

cathay747 wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Not surprising, but a good visual. For reference, ABQ had one passenger
Image

Source Crankflier


Such sad & depressing figures, but fascinating, especially that the route with the highest L/F is a AA spoke to a UA hub! Wonder why IAH was the highest?? Bizarre (to me).

LAX is not an AA spoke. They call it a hub and they are the largest carrier there. Moreover, you are looking at a handful of passengers more than DFW or CLT. So nothing bizarre about it.

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