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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:33 pm

Some updates today:
- JFK-LHR resumes June 7, 2x weekly
- LAX-LHR resumes July 7
- ORD-ATH resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-DUB resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-LHR resumes June 4, 5x weekly
- PHL/RDU-LHR resumes July 7

- JFK-EZE/GRU resumes July 7
- MIA-GIG July 7
- MIA-EZE/GRU/SCL resume June 4

Vasu Raja:
We have no plans to close any hubs, in fact far from it. Our hubs are a massive asset for us as we think of a very focused customer proposition coming out of this,"


https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 2345778179
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:42 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Some updates today:
- JFK-LHR resumes June 7, 2x weekly
- LAX-LHR resumes July 7
- ORD-ATH resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-DUB resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-LHR resumes June 4, 5x weekly
- PHL/RDU-LHR resumes July 7

- JFK-EZE/GRU resumes July 7
- MIA-GIG July 7
- MIA-EZE/GRU/SCL resume June 4

Vasu Raja:
We have no plans to close any hubs, in fact far from it. Our hubs are a massive asset for us as we think of a very focused customer proposition coming out of this,"


https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 2345778179

How are EZE flights returning in June and July when Argentina has banned international flights until September?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/coronav ... ber-1.html
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 1:55 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Some updates today:
- JFK-LHR resumes June 7, 2x weekly
- LAX-LHR resumes July 7
- ORD-ATH resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-DUB resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-LHR resumes June 4, 5x weekly
- PHL/RDU-LHR resumes July 7

- JFK-EZE/GRU resumes July 7
- MIA-GIG July 7
- MIA-EZE/GRU/SCL resume June 4

Vasu Raja:
We have no plans to close any hubs, in fact far from it. Our hubs are a massive asset for us as we think of a very focused customer proposition coming out of this,"


https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 2345778179


EZE? How are they getting around this

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/27/worl ... ember.html
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 30, 2020 3:27 pm

How in the world are they going to operate Athens and Buenos Aires?

Good luck with that AA...! Let us know if those countries let you in!
 
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AA Closing Down Miami Regional Operations May 7th through June 3rd

Thu Apr 30, 2020 5:47 pm

AA is stopping all regional flights out of Miami until June 3rd.
Lack of International flying means feeding Miami is wildly unprofitable at the moment.
https://milestomemories.com/aa-shutdown ... perations/
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:50 pm

AA adds the 787 on two more routes out of Miami - Lima and Santiago.

Miami – Montevideo eff 18DEC20 1 daily
Miami – Lima eff 28MAR21 1 daily
Miami – Rio de Janeiro Galeao eff 07JAN21 1 daily
Miami – Santiago de Chile eff 28MAR21 1 daily

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03may20/
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 5:56 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AA adds the 787 on two more routes out of Miami - Lima and Santiago.


Nice! I mentioned in another thread that I expected MIA-LIM to see the 787 before too long, with both the 757s and 767s retiring. I think cargo is too important on that route for it to have stayed as all-321 for too long.

SCL is interesting - I suppose it reflects that AA expects to have a little tougher going now that LA isn't a partner on the route.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 5:58 pm

Official confirmation and details that American will be operating the 787-8 out of MIA this winter/next summer.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03may20/
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... edit#gid=0

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 6:11 pm

makes sense. With 757/767 leaving, 787 is the perfectly replacement for that.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 8:19 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Some updates today:
- JFK-LHR resumes June 7, 2x weekly
- LAX-LHR resumes July 7
- ORD-ATH resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-DUB resumes June 5, 5x weekly
- ORD-LHR resumes June 4, 5x weekly
- PHL/RDU-LHR resumes July 7

- JFK-EZE/GRU resumes July 7
- MIA-GIG July 7
- MIA-EZE/GRU/SCL resume June 4

Vasu Raja:
We have no plans to close any hubs, in fact far from it. Our hubs are a massive asset for us as we think of a very focused customer proposition coming out of this,"


https://twitter.com/e_russell/status/12 ... 2345778179

How are EZE flights returning in June and July when Argentina has banned international flights until September?

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/28/coronav ... ber-1.html


AA is currently operating a cargo-only MIA-EZE flight. Presumably they feel that they can get some sort of exemption from the Argentinean government.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 9:48 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
US airlines are so delusional. They have no idea how strict some European countries are with this.

There's no way Greece for example is going to let any flights from the US this summer.


https://www.businessinsider.com/greece- ... uly-2020-5

Well that's embarrassing for you....
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 9:53 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
US airlines are so delusional. They have no idea how strict some European countries are with this.

There's no way Greece for example is going to let any flights from the US this summer.


https://www.businessinsider.com/greece- ... uly-2020-5

Well that's embarrassing for you....


Lol.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 9:54 pm

When will AA pull their retired aircraft out of the schedule?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 10:48 pm

Mboyle1988 wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
US airlines are so delusional. They have no idea how strict some European countries are with this.

There's no way Greece for example is going to let any flights from the US this summer.


https://www.businessinsider.com/greece- ... uly-2020-5

Well that's embarrassing for you....


Flights from the US? Unless they test the passengers here at US airports, Greece is not letting flights in. The article you posted talks about tourism and flights from the European Union.

United got the memo and that's why they cancelled the entire season to Athens.

Americans will be the last to be allowed in. The US is considered the epicenter of the virus at the moment by other countries.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 3:12 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
When will AA pull their retired aircraft out of the schedule?


Probably bit by bit. Airlines are only updating schedules a few weeks to a month at a time right now, and much closer in than usual. It's been mentioned a lot recently that airlines stand to benefit from cutting schedules as close in as possible in order to minimize refund costs.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:18 am

FSDan wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
When will AA pull their retired aircraft out of the schedule?


Probably bit by bit. Airlines are only updating schedules a few weeks to a month at a time right now, and much closer in than usual. It's been mentioned a lot recently that airlines stand to benefit from cutting schedules as close in as possible in order to minimize refund costs.


How does that minimize refund costs? I am curious to know. It is a genuine question, not being sarcastic.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:50 am

Detroit313 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
When will AA pull their retired aircraft out of the schedule?


Probably bit by bit. Airlines are only updating schedules a few weeks to a month at a time right now, and much closer in than usual. It's been mentioned a lot recently that airlines stand to benefit from cutting schedules as close in as possible in order to minimize refund costs.


How does that minimize refund costs? I am curious to know. It is a genuine question, not being sarcastic.


My guess is CASH FLOW and BORROWING COST. If you cancel too far away, a lot of refund request will flood in and in a few days you have to refund for months and months of tickets, that is a lot of money going out in the short time. But if you cancel by week at a time, you can manage the CASH FLOW in a much slower pace. So instead of refunding $300million in the day you announce a month worth of cancellation, you only refund $70million each week (above figures are for illustrating only, not actual).

Also, a big spike in reduced cash reserve is not a good thing, and that may increase your debt interests as the investor gets panic. A managed flow out in cash reserve (although the final amount might be the same), could calm down the investors (bond ad debt) in theory. Thus keep the borrowing cost low.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:24 pm

Dublin and Athens from Chicago just got pushed back to July.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:26 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Dublin and Athens from Chicago just got pushed back to July.


Is there an announcement? Or just from bookings on aa.com?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 6:26 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AA adds the 787 on two more routes out of Miami - Lima and Santiago.

Miami – Montevideo eff 18DEC20 1 daily
Miami – Lima eff 28MAR21 1 daily
Miami – Rio de Janeiro Galeao eff 07JAN21 1 daily
Miami – Santiago de Chile eff 28MAR21 1 daily

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03may20/


IMO, AA will probably also start 787 flights from MIA to one or more domestic hubs prior to Dec 2020 for crew familiarization.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 7:48 pm

miaami wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AA adds the 787 on two more routes out of Miami - Lima and Santiago.

Miami – Montevideo eff 18DEC20 1 daily
Miami – Lima eff 28MAR21 1 daily
Miami – Rio de Janeiro Galeao eff 07JAN21 1 daily
Miami – Santiago de Chile eff 28MAR21 1 daily

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03may20/


IMO, AA will probably also start 787 flights from MIA to one or more domestic hubs prior to Dec 2020 for crew familiarization.


Agreed. It doesn’t make sense to have a 787 here for familiarization in April if it’s not going to start flying here until December.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:26 pm

chonetsao wrote:
Detroit313 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Probably bit by bit. Airlines are only updating schedules a few weeks to a month at a time right now, and much closer in than usual. It's been mentioned a lot recently that airlines stand to benefit from cutting schedules as close in as possible in order to minimize refund costs.


How does that minimize refund costs? I am curious to know. It is a genuine question, not being sarcastic.


My guess is CASH FLOW and BORROWING COST. If you cancel too far away, a lot of refund request will flood in and in a few days you have to refund for months and months of tickets, that is a lot of money going out in the short time. But if you cancel by week at a time, you can manage the CASH FLOW in a much slower pace. So instead of refunding $300million in the day you announce a month worth of cancellation, you only refund $70million each week (above figures are for illustrating only, not actual).

Also, a big spike in reduced cash reserve is not a good thing, and that may increase your debt interests as the investor gets panic. A managed flow out in cash reserve (although the final amount might be the same), could calm down the investors (bond ad debt) in theory. Thus keep the borrowing cost low.


The other reason is that the longer you wait to cancel, the more likely passengers are to cancel their own plans, receiving credit for future travel on the airline rather than a cash refund.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:27 pm

miaami wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
AA adds the 787 on two more routes out of Miami - Lima and Santiago.

Miami – Montevideo eff 18DEC20 1 daily
Miami – Lima eff 28MAR21 1 daily
Miami – Rio de Janeiro Galeao eff 07JAN21 1 daily
Miami – Santiago de Chile eff 28MAR21 1 daily

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03may20/


IMO, AA will probably also start 787 flights from MIA to one or more domestic hubs prior to Dec 2020 for crew familiarization.


I'd bet there will be some hub-hub 787 flights from MIA long term to rotate aircraft around the system. MIA-DFW, MIA-ORD, and MIA-PHL all seem likely to see 787s sooner or later.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:44 pm

Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:45 pm

Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 8:45 pm

remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


Possibility of the A321neo but most likely routed through LAX. Anyways, have an awesome trip! Kauai is awesome.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 9:59 pm

remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


A321 is most likely. The 757 is not coming back.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 9:59 pm

remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?

757 are all retired they are not coming back.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 10:11 pm

remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


This route might be discontinued and could potentially come back with the XLR if the runway performance is slightly better than the Neo at the same takeoff weight. LIH runway is only 6500 feet and you would have to block seats on the Neo I believe.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 12:47 am

JohanTally wrote:
remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


This route might be discontinued and could potentially come back with the XLR if the runway performance is slightly better than the Neo at the same takeoff weight. LIH runway is only 6500 feet and you would have to block seats on the Neo I believe.


Will probably operate on a 32N with a technical stop in HNL.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 1:36 am

remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


It'll be A321NEO or you'll be routed through somewhere else, probably LAX. The NEO has been operating some of the other Hawaii routes out of PHX for a while now, I think it was only a matter of time until LIH got it based on aircraft availability.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 5:32 am

remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


PHXLIH was pulled from schedules a month ago. It’s not operating in July.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 3:48 pm

Not sure if anyone else has posted this and if so my apologies. I read this article today in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) continued investigation with BA & AA on select UK & US routes with little to no competition.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 6:56 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:


Isn't that just a cargo flight?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:06 pm

anymaninfc wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:


Isn't that just a cargo flight?


It’s pax. Bookable on aa.com today and the following weeks but it’s sub-daily.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:14 pm

Five years ago, AA operated its inaugural revenue service using the 787-8 on DFW-ORD.

Shortly, the aircraft began operating on DFW-PEK/EZE.

Today, May 7, 2020, AA was supposed to inaugurate these flights:
- DFW to Fairbanks
- ORD to Anchorage/Fairbanks
- ORD to Budapest and Krakow (788)
- ORD to Prague was supposed to launch tomorrow.

All of these have been suspended.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 7:45 pm

Ishrion wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:
UpNAWAy wrote:


Isn't that just a cargo flight?


It’s pax. Bookable on aa.com today and the following weeks but it’s sub-daily.


MIA had a 90 minute plus TSA wait this morning. The guy in back of me was on that flight to MAD. BTW MIA TSA has suspended the PreCheck line and the Priority Lane. With only one screening point open it was a real cluster. Guy going to Spain said you are suppose to self quarantine for 14 days upon landing but there's no one to check up on you.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 12:29 am

Bigant0408 wrote:
Not sure if anyone else has posted this and if so my apologies. I read this article today in regards to the Competition and Markets Authority (CMA) continued investigation with BA & AA on select UK & US routes with little to no competition.

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/


Interesting. That's the first I've heard about EI being part of the JBA... when did they join it?

Of the LHR slots that were originally divested, how many are still in use by other airlines? I know DL tried and eventually cut both MIA-LHR and PHL-LHR, but they've been in BOS-LHR the whole time (and I don't remember if they were able to move either the MIA or the PHL slot to another market after a period of time). I don't think anyone ever took up the DFW-LHR option, and ORD-LHR wasn't included last time as VS was still in the market then.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 12:43 am

UA should just suck it up for a little and do MIA, PHL, BOS - LHR before transferring the routes to EWR, LAX, SFO.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 12:48 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA should just suck it up for a little and do MIA, PHL, BOS - LHR before transferring the routes to EWR, LAX, SFO.

DL is much more likely to be the airline that goes after both MIA and BOS. I doubt anyone takes up PHL.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 12:51 am

Looks like it went out about 60% full.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:20 am

Brickell305 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA should just suck it up for a little and do MIA, PHL, BOS - LHR before transferring the routes to EWR, LAX, SFO.

DL is much more likely to be the airline that goes after both MIA and BOS. I doubt anyone takes up PHL.

It specifically said added competition and delta provides no added competition given vs presence in these markets.

If anyone represent new competition here, it's JetBlue.

Ua is not going to enter any non hub market in it's current state.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:37 am

tphuang wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA should just suck it up for a little and do MIA, PHL, BOS - LHR before transferring the routes to EWR, LAX, SFO.

DL is much more likely to be the airline that goes after both MIA and BOS. I doubt anyone takes up PHL.

It specifically said added competition and delta provides no added competition given vs presence in these markets.


"Releasing additional take-off and landing slots at London Heathrow or Gatwick airports to enable competitors to begin or increase non-stop flights between London and Boston, Dallas and Miami"

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:48 am

Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
DL is much more likely to be the airline that goes after both MIA and BOS. I doubt anyone takes up PHL.

It specifically said added competition and delta provides no added competition given vs presence in these markets.


"Releasing additional take-off and landing slots at London Heathrow or Gatwick airports to enable competitors to begin or increase non-stop flights between London and Boston, Dallas and Miami"

https://www.miragenews.com/cma-consults ... mmitments/


“On some of these routes there are either few or no other airlines offering direct flights to passengers,” Ann Pope, the CMA’s senior antitrust director said in a statement. British Airways and American Airlines’ decision to give up some slots, she added, “has the potential to increase competition and deliver lower fares for customers, while also preserving the benefits that joint airline agreements offer passengers.”

Again, it's hard to make the case that DL is really increasing competition that much vs an entirely new airline. And JetBlue can effectively make the argument that it's locked out of the LHR market whereas DL/VS/AF/KL JV controls 8% of LHR slots.

At this point, DL's main concern with LHR is VS's survival
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:16 am

tphuang wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
UA should just suck it up for a little and do MIA, PHL, BOS - LHR before transferring the routes to EWR, LAX, SFO.

DL is much more likely to be the airline that goes after both MIA and BOS. I doubt anyone takes up PHL.

It specifically said added competition and delta provides no added competition given vs presence in these markets.

If anyone represent new competition here, it's JetBlue.

Ua is not going to enter any non hub market in it's current state.

There would be nothing stopping DL from getting those slots as even though they would not be a new competitor on BOS-LHR, they’d be able to increase the level of competition by adding more flights.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 4:58 am

Miamiairport wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
anymaninfc wrote:

Isn't that just a cargo flight?


It’s pax. Bookable on aa.com today and the following weeks but it’s sub-daily.


MIA had a 90 minute plus TSA wait this morning. The guy in back of me was on that flight to MAD. BTW MIA TSA has suspended the PreCheck line and the Priority Lane. With only one screening point open it was a real cluster. Guy going to Spain said you are suppose to self quarantine for 14 days upon landing but there's no one to check up on you.


Hopefully the priority lanes will come back as the states reopen. It's insane having to wait 90 minutes to go through security when flights are going out as empty as they are. So much for social distancing at the checkpoints, too.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 5:01 am

I have never understood why MIA/ORD-LHR are concerns with two players in the market whereas MIA/ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR/IAD-FRA/MUC are not, even though they are monopolies on UA/LH.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 5:03 am

onwFan wrote:
I have never understood why MIA/ORD-LHR are concerns with two players in the market whereas MIA/ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR/IAD-FRA/MUC are not, even though they are monopolies on UA/LH.


Because it's more government-dependent I think? Does the German government care about the monopolies on those routes?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 11:59 am

Brickell305 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
DL is much more likely to be the airline that goes after both MIA and BOS. I doubt anyone takes up PHL.

It specifically said added competition and delta provides no added competition given vs presence in these markets.

If anyone represent new competition here, it's JetBlue.

Ua is not going to enter any non hub market in it's current state.

There would be nothing stopping DL from getting those slots as even though they would not be a new competitor on BOS-LHR, they’d be able to increase the level of competition by adding more flights.

when slots get released, they don't just get released to one party. There is going to be applications to get them. DL simply has a very weak case compared to any airline that's not currently on that route and especially one that is waiting on slots and don't have any like JetBlue. Hard to say you bring additional competition when you already scheduled 3 to 4x daily on there for this summer prior to COVID.

The way CMA worded the need for new competition and lower fares, it's basically what JetBlue has been making on its complaints all along. That's why JetBlue even mentioned it on their own earnings call.

onwFan wrote:
I have never understood why MIA/ORD-LHR are concerns with two players in the market whereas MIA/ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR/IAD-FRA/MUC are not, even though they are monopolies on UA/LH.

this is specifically a review by UK's CMA as they are getting ready for brexit.

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