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digitalcloud
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 12:39 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
PHL-SNN appears to be planned to resume on 6th May 2021 as 5x weekly B788.

It's possible that the 788 is a placeholder for SNN and EDI, however.


Any word on routes like CMN, DBV, TXL?


Nothing. I should add that this is purely timetable information rather than insider knowledge.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 12:51 pm

digitalcloud wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
PHL-SNN appears to be planned to resume on 6th May 2021 as 5x weekly B788.

It's possible that the 788 is a placeholder for SNN and EDI, however.


Any word on routes like CMN, DBV, TXL?


Nothing. I should add that this is purely timetable information rather than insider knowledge.


Good to know. Are the other routes that typically launch alongside SNN out?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri May 15, 2020 8:37 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
PHL-SNN appears to be planned to resume on 6th May 2021 as 5x weekly B788.

It's possible that the 788 is a placeholder for SNN and EDI, however.


Any word on routes like CMN, DBV, TXL?

DBV has been loaded for sale for June 2021
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 3:05 am

Boof02671 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
PHL-SNN appears to be planned to resume on 6th May 2021 as 5x weekly B788.

It's possible that the 788 is a placeholder for SNN and EDI, however.


Any word on routes like CMN, DBV, TXL?

DBV has been loaded for sale for June 2021


Where do you see that? Can you see if Athens is loaded from both ORD and PHL?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 12:39 pm

Detroit313 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Any word on routes like CMN, DBV, TXL?

DBV has been loaded for sale for June 2021


Where do you see that? Can you see if Athens is loaded from both ORD and PHL?

It was in this article

https://www.total-croatia-news.com/trav ... -dubrovnik
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat May 16, 2020 8:46 pm

Wingtips56 wrote:
Any chance AA is entertaining the idea of reconfiguring some 321s as two-cabin J/Y, with the lie flat Business seats that are on the 321T for these international flights? Yes, it would be an undesirable third subfleet for the 321, but might make sense.


No need to waste that money when the longer A321 flights are just temporary until they have more suitable equipment.

I wouldn’t be surprised if the A321neos on order had a lie-flat subfleet, though.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 5:24 am

This weekend's update:
- Charlotte to Frankfurt is now 777-200ER when resuming in late-October, replacing A330.
- Philadelphia to Rome is now 787-8 when resuming in late-October
- Philadelphia to Madrid is still loaded on the A330-200 from July to August 17 (likely to switch). It's currently set to switch to the 788 on August 18.
- PHL-CDG is now 787-8 when resuming in late-October
- As talked about above, PHL-LHR will now see the 777-200ER starting October 24, marking the aircraft's first entrance into PHL.
- March 28, 2021, PHL-LHR will see 2x daily 777-200ERs
- CLT-CDG/MAD will see the 777-200ER upon resuming in Spring 2021
- PHL-LIS on the 788 when resuming on March 27, 2020.
- DFW-AMS going 788 replacing 772 upon resuming on June 4, 2020 (not sure if previously noted)

Basically it looks like the A330-300s are officially removed from the schedules now.

Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.

Some pics of the aa.com bookings: https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1261887054985801729
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 8:22 am

Ishrion wrote:
Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.


Wouldn't ORD to LHR remain B788/789?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 10:38 am

Ishrion wrote:
This weekend's update:
....................
- As talked about above, PHL-LHR will now see the 777-200ER starting October 24, marking the aircraft's first entrance into PHL.
- March 28, 2021, PHL-LHR will see 2x daily 777-200ERs
................

Actually, BA has been flying the 777-200ER on PHL-LHR for many years and continues to do so. I think you may have meant AA's first (777-200) entrance into PHL
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 10:47 am

chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.


Wouldn't ORD to LHR remain B788/789?

That also switches to 772.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 11:16 am

Ishrion wrote:
This weekend's update:
- Charlotte to Frankfurt is now 777-200ER when resuming in late-October, replacing A330.
- Philadelphia to Rome is now 787-8 when resuming in late-October
- Philadelphia to Madrid is still loaded on the A330-200 from July to August 17 (likely to switch). It's currently set to switch to the 788 on August 18.
- PHL-CDG is now 787-8 when resuming in late-October
- As talked about above, PHL-LHR will now see the 777-200ER starting October 24, marking the aircraft's first entrance into PHL.
- March 28, 2021, PHL-LHR will see 2x daily 777-200ERs
- CLT-CDG/MAD will see the 777-200ER upon resuming in Spring 2021
- PHL-LIS on the 788 when resuming on March 27, 2020.
- DFW-AMS going 788 replacing 772 upon resuming on June 4, 2020 (not sure if previously noted)

Basically it looks like the A330-300s are officially removed from the schedules now.

Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.

Some pics of the aa.com bookings: https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1261887054985801729


What does JFK look like now and especially in 2021 for TATL flights? I have a feeling COVID may be used as an excuse (whether true or not) to reduce JFK even more from its pre-March levels.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 12:56 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.


Wouldn't ORD to LHR remain B788/789?

That also switches to 772.


Looks like AA86 will remain B789 until 8th September. Then from 7th October, AA98 will remain B789.

So ORD-LHR on all B772 will only be between 9th September to 6th October.

That might be temporary as we know.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 1:04 pm

acentauri wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
This weekend's update:
....................
- As talked about above, PHL-LHR will now see the 777-200ER starting October 24, marking the aircraft's first entrance into PHL.
- March 28, 2021, PHL-LHR will see 2x daily 777-200ERs
................

Actually, BA has been flying the 777-200ER on PHL-LHR for many years and continues to do so. I think you may have meant AA's first (777-200) entrance into PHL


Yes. Sorry, 1 AM when I was typing that.

chonetsao wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.


Wouldn't ORD to LHR remain B788/789?


Sorry, didn't specify the date.

From March 28, 2021 - Flights in/out of LHR:
DFW: 3x 77W 1x 772
JFK: 2x 77W 1x 772
MIA: 1x 77W
ORD: 4x 772
LAX: 2x 77W
PHL: 2x 772
CLT: 2x 772
PHX: 1x 772
BOS: 1x 772
RDU: 1x 772
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 1:26 pm

Ishrion wrote:
acentauri wrote:
From March 28, 2021 - Flights in/out of LHR:
DFW: 3x 77W 1x 772
JFK: 2x 77W 1x 772
MIA: 1x 77W
ORD: 4x 772
LAX: 2x 77W
PHL: 2x 772
CLT: 2x 772
PHX: 1x 772
BOS: 1x 772
RDU: 1x 772


I thought LHR-JFK was 4x daily? Any news on SEA-LHR?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 1:47 pm

SeanM1997 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
From March 28, 2021 - Flights in/out of LHR:
DFW: 3x 77W 1x 772
JFK: 2x 77W 1x 772
MIA: 1x 77W
ORD: 4x 772
LAX: 2x 77W
PHL: 2x 772
CLT: 2x 772
PHX: 1x 772
BOS: 1x 772
RDU: 1x 772


I thought LHR-JFK was 4x daily? Any news on SEA-LHR?


Sorry, it's 4x daily starting March 29, not 28. 2x 77W 2x 772.

The rest above look to be right...

As for SEA-LHR, it hasn't been loaded. I think they said "Spring 2021"? So, I'm guessing they won't operate the route unless they launch it in early-May, or delayed it by a few months.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 2:22 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
JohanTally wrote:
remymartin11 wrote:
Scheduled PHX-LIH mid July 2020. Sowing 752. Assuming HI lifts quarantine, does AA bring 752 back on this route or shift to another type?


This route might be discontinued and could potentially come back with the XLR if the runway performance is slightly better than the Neo at the same takeoff weight. LIH runway is only 6500 feet and you would have to block seats on the Neo I believe.


Will probably operate on a 32N with a technical stop in HNL.


Why would it need to stop in HNL? Would they just not continue direct service? They have in past years.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 3:46 pm

I understand the 772 was probably the best option for CLT given that the 787s cannot be used everywhere, but AA is adding quite a few premium seats to these CLT TA markets.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 3:51 pm

usairways85 wrote:
I understand the 772 was probably the best option for CLT given that the 787s cannot be used everywhere, but AA is adding quite a few premium seats to these CLT TA markets.



They have no choice. LAA airplanes are far more premium than anything LUS.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 4:07 pm

PHL-BCN sees also the 788 from March 27, 2021.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 4:49 pm

lowfareair wrote:

What does JFK look like now and especially in 2021 for TATL flights? I have a feeling COVID may be used as an excuse (whether true or not) to reduce JFK even more from its pre-March levels.


From IATA Spring 2021, it looks like all AA long-haul out of JFK is there. All on 772s with LHR having 2 77Ws and 2 772s
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 5:00 pm

Ishrion wrote:
AA adds the 787 on two more routes out of Miami - Lima and Santiago.

Miami – Montevideo eff 18DEC20 1 daily
Miami – Lima eff 28MAR21 1 daily
Miami – Rio de Janeiro Galeao eff 07JAN21 1 daily
Miami – Santiago de Chile eff 28MAR21 1 daily

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-03may20/


788 on Miami to Lima has been removed from March 28. Now showing 3x daily A321s.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 7:32 pm

brilondon wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
JohanTally wrote:

This route might be discontinued and could potentially come back with the XLR if the runway performance is slightly better than the Neo at the same takeoff weight. LIH runway is only 6500 feet and you would have to block seats on the Neo I believe.


Will probably operate on a 32N with a technical stop in HNL.


Why would it need to stop in HNL? Would they just not continue direct service? They have in past years.


LIH's runway is too short for an A321neo to make it to PHX without a payload restriction or a technical stop. Avgas is also cheaper at HNL.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 6:11 am

AA schedules 787-9 on DFW-KOA from December 17, 2020 to January 4, 2021.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... t-changes/
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 1:34 pm

Ishrion wrote:
This weekend's update:
- Charlotte to Frankfurt is now 777-200ER when resuming in late-October, replacing A330.
- Philadelphia to Rome is now 787-8 when resuming in late-October
- Philadelphia to Madrid is still loaded on the A330-200 from July to August 17 (likely to switch). It's currently set to switch to the 788 on August 18.
- PHL-CDG is now 787-8 when resuming in late-October
- As talked about above, PHL-LHR will now see the 777-200ER starting October 24, marking the aircraft's first entrance into PHL.
- March 28, 2021, PHL-LHR will see 2x daily 777-200ERs
- CLT-CDG/MAD will see the 777-200ER upon resuming in Spring 2021
- PHL-LIS on the 788 when resuming on March 27, 2020.
- DFW-AMS going 788 replacing 772 upon resuming on June 4, 2020 (not sure if previously noted)

Basically it looks like the A330-300s are officially removed from the schedules now.

Additionally, all flights to LHR will be on the 772/77W now.

Some pics of the aa.com bookings: https://twitter.com/IshrionA/status/1261887054985801729

Have any routes not been loaded (of the ones that start before early May that can be loaded for S21)? Because it seems like most routes are simply being loaded with either a 788 or 772 placeholder. The exception being the ex752 TA routes that are sub daily. I call this out because it looks like the flights are being loaded as they would any other year. It does not seem like much of an indication about what AA will do in 3-6-9 months when the S21 needs to take shape.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 3:43 pm

usairways85 wrote:
Have any routes not been loaded (of the ones that start before early May that can be loaded for S21)? Because it seems like most routes are simply being loaded with either a 788 or 772 placeholder. The exception being the ex752 TA routes that are sub daily. I call this out because it looks like the flights are being loaded as they would any other year. It does not seem like much of an indication about what AA will do in 3-6-9 months when the S21 needs to take shape.


IMHO, any schedule that's more than 1 month out has to be taken with a BIG grain of salt. Why airlines are even bothering to still fiddle with 2021 skeds is beyond me; seems like a colossal waste of time, for the time being. They ought to do like WN does (for now) and only published skeds & inventory out to XX # months (I forget what their timeline is) vs. a year (331 days) out.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon May 18, 2020 4:07 pm

usairways85 wrote:
I understand the 772 was probably the best option for CLT given that the 787s cannot be used everywhere, but AA is adding quite a few premium seats to these CLT TA markets.

The capacity increase from a A333 to a 772 in the premium cabin is marginal with only 9 extra seats (28 J seats on the A333 vs 37 on the 772), and the A333s actually has a larger Y cabin (263 vs 212 ) and a larger capacity in total (291 vs 273) than the 772.

I think the 772 will do fine on CLT-LHR and FRA, same with CLT-FCO as it was an A333 market.

CLT-CDG/MUC/MAD all were historic A332 flights, however, and I'm not sure how the 772 will perform on those sectors, given the large capacity difference between the A332 and 772.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 1:14 am

Ishrion wrote:
onwFan wrote:
I have never understood why MIA/ORD-LHR are concerns with two players in the market whereas MIA/ORD/LAX/SFO/EWR/IAD-FRA/MUC are not, even though they are monopolies on UA/LH.


Because it's more government-dependent I think? Does the German government care about the monopolies on those routes?


Probably not as much as the European Union does.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 1:16 am

joeblow10 wrote:
OB1504 wrote:
Miamiairport wrote:

I flew out of DSM a couple of weeks ago and the PreCheck lane was open. Yet the TSA can't seem to keep the Precheck lane open at MIA. Awhile there's about 15 TSA employees being paid to stand around and do nothing.


It could just be typical MIA incompetence, but the PreCheck lanes were also closed at FLL F and PHL B/C on my trip this weekend. Of course, there was no one in line at FLL to begin with and PHL only took about 10 minutes to clear.


Aren’t you aware what TSA really stands for? Thousands standing around :lol:


(Unless you have PreCheck) ;)
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Re: AA 757 Long-Haul Replacement: A321 and 787-8

Tue May 19, 2020 1:20 am

dfw88 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
asuflyer wrote:

In the JV agreement with BA, which covers Ireland, AA is required to fly an aircraft with lie-flat seats on this route.


Ah, right, makes more sense as to why EDI will be on the 787.

I guess Iceland is excluded?


Iceland is definitely NOT excluded. It's a newer addition, but it currently part of the JV. I'm scratching my head at how they're going to make the 321neo happen on that route. Maybe there's some sort of exception process?


Is it possible that some 21N are equipped with lie-flats as some of the 757s were?
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Re: AA 757 Long-Haul Replacement: A321 and 787-8

Tue May 19, 2020 1:32 am

ctrabs0114 wrote:
dfw88 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Ah, right, makes more sense as to why EDI will be on the 787.

I guess Iceland is excluded?


Iceland is definitely NOT excluded. It's a newer addition, but it currently part of the JV. I'm scratching my head at how they're going to make the 321neo happen on that route. Maybe there's some sort of exception process?


Is it possible that some 21N are equipped with lie-flats as some of the 757s were?


All currently delivered A321neos have 20 First Class seats, all of which are recliners.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 9:28 am

digitalcloud wrote:
PHL-SNN appears to be planned to resume on 6th May 2021 as 5x weekly B788.

It's possible that the 788 is a placeholder for SNN and EDI, however.


Correction - it is in fact daily. 787-8 planned to operate all routes out of PHL except LHR.

Full schedule according to Airlineroute:

Philadelphia – Athens eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-300, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Barcelona eff 27MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel eff 03JUN21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily (As of 17MAY20, AA continues to display Berlin Tegel service, although Berlin Brandenburg Airport is set to open in the 4th quarter of 2020)
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik eff 28MAR21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily (787 begins from 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Edinburgh eff 28MAR21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 757, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Paris CDG eff 29MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily (787 begins from 24OCT20)
Philadelphia – Rome eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-300, 1 daily (787 begins from 24OCT20)
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 28MAR21 777-200ER replaces A330-300, 2 daily (777 begins from 24OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily (787 begins from 18AUG20)
Philadelphia – Prague eff 06MAY21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Shannon eff 06MAY21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 757, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Venice eff 06MAY21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17may20/
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 9:59 am

digitalcloud wrote:
Correction - it is in fact daily. 787-8 planned to operate all routes out of PHL except LHR.

Full schedule according to Airlineroute:

Philadelphia – Athens eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-300, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Barcelona eff 27MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Berlin Tegel eff 03JUN21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily (As of 17MAY20, AA continues to display Berlin Tegel service, although Berlin Brandenburg Airport is set to open in the 4th quarter of 2020)
Philadelphia – Dubrovnik eff 28MAR21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Dublin eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily (787 begins from 07OCT20)
Philadelphia – Edinburgh eff 28MAR21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 757, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Paris CDG eff 29MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily (787 begins from 24OCT20)
Philadelphia – Rome eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-300, 1 daily (787 begins from 24OCT20)
Philadelphia – London Heathrow eff 28MAR21 777-200ER replaces A330-300, 2 daily (777 begins from 24OCT20)
Philadelphia – Madrid eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily (787 begins from 18AUG20)
Philadelphia – Prague eff 06MAY21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Shannon eff 06MAY21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 757, 1 daily
Philadelphia – Venice eff 06MAY21 787-8 replaces A330-200, 1 daily

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-17may20/


That is half of AA's B788 will be based in PHL during summer time!

I wonder if that eventually will lead to PHL-LHR be replaced by B789.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 10:02 am

Charlotte – Barcelona eff 06MAY21 777-200ER replaces A330-200, 1 daily
Charlotte – Dublin eff 06MAY21 777-200ER replaces A330-200, 1 daily

Seems that CLT will be an ALL Boeing 772 base with thess 2 new additions.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:08 am

digitalcloud wrote:

Philadelphia – Athens eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-300, 1 daily

Philadelphia – Dubrovnik eff 28MAR21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily


Huh? March 28, 2021? Guess they haven’t opened bookings?

So they even plan to bump DBV up by 2 months?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:13 am

Ishrion wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:

Philadelphia – Athens eff 28MAR21 787-8 replaces A330-300, 1 daily

Philadelphia – Dubrovnik eff 28MAR21 Previously not covered on Airlineroute, 787-8 replaces 767-300ER, 1 daily


Huh? March 28, 2021? Guess they haven’t opened bookings?

So they even plan to bump DBV up by 2 months?
Additionally EDI is listed as daily however it's only on sale as 6x weekly initially.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:22 am

So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:28 am

jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...
You don't say? Don't shoot the messenger - simply sharing information.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:35 am

digitalcloud wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...
You don't say? Don't shoot the messenger - simply sharing information.



Im not shooting the messenger.

We arent Aunt Mary booking a flight once a year on AA.

We on a.net know better.

They have a massive loss of widebody aircraft.

Even if they shut JFK and LAX long haul, they still couldnt maintain this schedule.

The planes arent there. They wont be there.

But I don’t think they are going to shut any hub. You will see massive cuts out of all hubs to Europe and Asia.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:35 am

jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...


Well you could start with taking widebodies of Mexico and Caribbean routes. They than can cut a few from MIA to closer in SA destinations. Put hub to hub flying on narrowbodies (already being done). Furthermore with the 788 deliveries were not too far behind.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:42 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...


Well you could start with taking widebodies of Mexico and Caribbean routes. They than can cut a few from MIA to closer in SA destinations. Put hub to hub flying on narrowbodies (already being done). Furthermore with the 788 deliveries were not too far behind.


There is just no business demand to Europe and Asia for a while. What are these Mexico/Caribbean widebodies that you speak off that can so easily be moved?

How many 788 deliveries can they take when they have no cash?

DL & UA displacements have already come out. They are both probably 30% smaller by end of Q3 2021. Is AA going to see less cut than that or more? If it wants to avoid chapter 11, it's going to need to make significant cuts to both its fleet and work force on Oct 1.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:46 am

tphuang wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...


Well you could start with taking widebodies of Mexico and Caribbean routes. They than can cut a few from MIA to closer in SA destinations. Put hub to hub flying on narrowbodies (already being done). Furthermore with the 788 deliveries were not too far behind.


There is just no business demand to Europe and Asia for a while. What are these Mexico/Caribbean widebodies that you speak off that can so easily be moved?

How many 788 deliveries can they take when they have no cash?

DL & UA displacements have already come out. They are both probably 30% smaller by end of Q3 2021. Is AA going to see less cut than that or more? If it wants to avoid chapter 11, it's going to need to make significant cuts to both its fleet and work force on Oct 1.



1. PHL-CUN/MBJ/SXM/SJU, ORD-CUN, etc.
2. I don’t think it’s going to be too hard for the worlds largest airline to find financing somewhere even during this..
3. It has cut its fleet greatly already by removing the 757s, 767s, E190s, A330s, and potentially a handful of 738s. What has UA removed? A few 764s?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 11:56 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

Well you could start with taking widebodies of Mexico and Caribbean routes. They than can cut a few from MIA to closer in SA destinations. Put hub to hub flying on narrowbodies (already being done). Furthermore with the 788 deliveries were not too far behind.


There is just no business demand to Europe and Asia for a while. What are these Mexico/Caribbean widebodies that you speak off that can so easily be moved?

How many 788 deliveries can they take when they have no cash?

DL & UA displacements have already come out. They are both probably 30% smaller by end of Q3 2021. Is AA going to see less cut than that or more? If it wants to avoid chapter 11, it's going to need to make significant cuts to both its fleet and work force on Oct 1.



1. PHL-CUN/MBJ/SXM/SJU, ORD-CUN, etc.
2. I don’t think it’s going to be too hard for the worlds largest airline to find financing somewhere even during this..
3. It has cut its fleet greatly already by removing the 757s, 767s, E190s, A330s, and potentially a handful of 738s. What has UA removed? A few 764s?

CUN flights are widebodies because that's one of the few international places people are flying to right now. Why would you take planes away from places with demand?

CDS right now is pricing AAL at over 50% in default probability, so nobody is interested in AAL bond unless they are backed by something. Do you think these shiny new widebodies are unencumbered? AAL has probably under $10 billion in unencumbered assets based on its own evaluation and at least half of that will be needed to get the CARES loans. After, who in the right mind will be looking to borrow AAL money when the assets are old aircraft?

As UA is finding out right now, finding cash when you have this much debt is really hard.

UA just had massive displacement bid through their system, so a lot of aircraft are going to be long term parked.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:35 pm

Just checked some schedules for AA's restart of Eastern Caribbean ops out of MIA and noted that ANU, BGI, GND and UVF all have unconventional schedules. Flights leave MIA at 20:00 or later, overnight at each island and the return is at 13:00 or later the next day, arriving at MIA between 16:00 and 17:00. Does anyone know why they chose to go this route instead of the usual morning flight out with a turn of an hour and immediate return to MIA or overnight on island with a return in the morning from the island instead of in the afternoon?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 12:43 pm

tphuang wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
tphuang wrote:

There is just no business demand to Europe and Asia for a while. What are these Mexico/Caribbean widebodies that you speak off that can so easily be moved?

How many 788 deliveries can they take when they have no cash?

DL & UA displacements have already come out. They are both probably 30% smaller by end of Q3 2021. Is AA going to see less cut than that or more? If it wants to avoid chapter 11, it's going to need to make significant cuts to both its fleet and work force on Oct 1.



1. PHL-CUN/MBJ/SXM/SJU, ORD-CUN, etc.
2. I don’t think it’s going to be too hard for the worlds largest airline to find financing somewhere even during this..
3. It has cut its fleet greatly already by removing the 757s, 767s, E190s, A330s, and potentially a handful of 738s. What has UA removed? A few 764s?

CUN flights are widebodies because that's one of the few international places people are flying to right now. Why would you take planes away from places with demand?

CDS right now is pricing AAL at over 50% in default probability, so nobody is interested in AAL bond unless they are backed by something. Do you think these shiny new widebodies are unencumbered? AAL has probably under $10 billion in unencumbered assets based on its own evaluation and at least half of that will be needed to get the CARES loans. After, who in the right mind will be looking to borrow AAL money when the assets are old aircraft?

As UA is finding out right now, finding cash when you have this much debt is really hard.

UA just had massive displacement bid through their system, so a lot of aircraft are going to be long term parked.

The Caribbean routes were scheduled with widebodies in winter BEFORE the COVID related lockdowns likely as a result of slack in the fleet due to lower seasonal demand to Europe. None of those is scheduled with a widebody currently.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 1:16 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
Just checked some schedules for AA's restart of Eastern Caribbean ops out of MIA and noted that ANU, BGI, GND and UVF all have unconventional schedules. Flights leave MIA at 20:00 or later, overnight at each island and the return is at 13:00 or later the next day, arriving at MIA between 16:00 and 17:00. Does anyone know why they chose to go this route instead of the usual morning flight out with a turn of an hour and immediate return to MIA or overnight on island with a return in the morning from the island instead of in the afternoon?


With reduced banks I'm assuming these times have been changed to better time connections. With no SA currently at MIA the last bank of flights going out of MIA seems to be from 6PM to 8PM..
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 6:57 pm

Nice to see Philadelphia - Athens on a 787-8.

Both Chicago - Athens and Philadelphia - Athens will be on the 787-8.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 7:55 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...
You don't say? Don't shoot the messenger - simply sharing information.



Im not shooting the messenger.

We arent Aunt Mary booking a flight once a year on AA.

We on a.net know better.

They have a massive loss of widebody aircraft.

Even if they shut JFK and LAX long haul, they still couldnt maintain this schedule.

The planes arent there. They wont be there.

But I don’t think they are going to shut any hub. You will see massive cuts out of all hubs to Europe and Asia.


Considering hubs are extremely expensive and given the severity of the current crisis, they won’t have any choice. There simply isn’t the traffic to warrant the need for the number of hubs AA has. This doesn’t necessarily mean that some hubs couldn’t come back, but a significant network restructure will take place after September 30th, if not announced prior.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 8:54 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
digitalcloud wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
So AA lost two fleets of long haul airplanes.

New deliveries?

And you boys are looking at Spring Schedules like Santa arrived on xmas morning.

Massive cuts coming. Massive.

I wouldnt look for DBV in your stocking...
You don't say? Don't shoot the messenger - simply sharing information.



Im not shooting the messenger.

We arent Aunt Mary booking a flight once a year on AA.

We on a.net know better.

They have a massive loss of widebody aircraft.

Even if they shut JFK and LAX long haul, they still couldnt maintain this schedule.

The planes arent there. They wont be there.

But I don’t think they are going to shut any hub. You will see massive cuts out of all hubs to Europe and Asia.


Do you really not know about all the 787s AA has coming or are you just playing dumb? In 2018 AA ordered 22 more 787-8 and 25 more 787-9. The 8s were always planned to replace the 767 fleet and the 9 were to replace the 330-300 and older 777s. The first batch of the 787-8s have started arriving in 2020, and the 787-9 will start in 2023. Nothings changed in that department except COVID accelerated the retirements of already planned to be retired aircraft.

Obviously if the demand doesn’t return in time all is subject to change, but your notion that AA won’t have the wide-bodies to fly the schedule they’re building for next summer is so wrong that I have to assume you’re being willfully ignorant.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 9:08 pm

At today's investor conference Vasu Raja stated with anticipation of international and corporate traffic coming back much slower there would be further cuts to the international schedule.
Also, AA would seek to leverage its JV partners more for international access moving forward.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue May 19, 2020 9:21 pm

janders wrote:
At today's investor conference Vasu Raja stated with anticipation of international and corporate traffic coming back much slower there would be further cuts to the international schedule.
Also, AA would seek to leverage its JV partners more for international access moving forward.

And this is in line with how they were able to branch out to the recent TA seasonal markets (PRG, BUD, KRK, DBV, TXL)...working with BA/IB to understand the full US-EU traffic picture. Would not be surprised for them to retrench and rely on JV partners to any of those destinations (and more) until they see adequate volume to warrant non-stop flights again.

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