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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:54 pm

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AA has so much debt to pay off. Their only path out of this is through their fortress hubs. If they are going to be 30% smaller next year and bring back DFW/CLT/DCA to close to pre-COVID size, it's inconceivable how they could do that without major cuts elsewhere. LAX is going to get huge cuts. They likely have already returned most of their unused slots at JFK. LGA will be much smaller. MIA will be smaller. PHL will be smaller. PHX will be a lot smaller.

Keep in mind that they are already scheduling in a 45 to 50% schedule for July. See how many flights they have going out of LAX for July. Now think about how much more flights they can add if they are going to be 50% larger than this a year from now and that's probably what LAX will look like for them.

If DL can have a competitive network out of LAX without flights to ORD/IAD/CLT, AA's network out of LAX can go without one or two of ATL/MCO/BOS/IAD.


More baseless armchair CEO quarterbacking. AA is the largest airline in LAX-MCO/BOS, routes it has flown for 30+ years that predate any of the hub that exists today. With Compass gone AA has already started planning the re-ramp of LAX routes using Skywest CRJ-700s (definite passenger downgrade) and putting mainline in some markets as well (LAXIAH is switching entirely from all-Eagle to all-mainline; LAXOKC will get mainline for the first time and mainline returning to LAXSFO).

Nobody is saying AA isn't going to make cuts at LAX, but implying routes like LAX-BOS are going to be gone? Inane.

You also keep spreading this baseless fiction about returning JFK slots that you have not been able to prove. Not saying AA isn't doing it, there is a ton of domestic flying that mainly serves the purpose of feeding international, but source this claim.


AA also quit on JFK-SAN which it had been flying forever. I'm not saying AA will leave on any of these routes, but people here are simply not realistic at the kind of cuts AA will have to make. They don't have luxury to fly a bunch of routes for strategic reasons anymore. There is no more sacred cows around. Their entire gameplan will revolve around DFW/CLT/DCA.

Take their schedule for July and add 50% on top of that for next summer. That's realistically how much flying they will be doing for each hubs. DFW/CLT will likely be back to 2019 size by next summer. Every other hubs will get huge cuts.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 6:58 pm

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
AA has so much debt to pay off. Their only path out of this is through their fortress hubs. If they are going to be 30% smaller next year and bring back DFW/CLT/DCA to close to pre-COVID size, it's inconceivable how they could do that without major cuts elsewhere. LAX is going to get huge cuts. They likely have already returned most of their unused slots at JFK. LGA will be much smaller. MIA will be smaller. PHL will be smaller. PHX will be a lot smaller.

Keep in mind that they are already scheduling in a 45 to 50% schedule for July. See how many flights they have going out of LAX for July. Now think about how much more flights they can add if they are going to be 50% larger than this a year from now and that's probably what LAX will look like for them.

If DL can have a competitive network out of LAX without flights to ORD/IAD/CLT, AA's network out of LAX can go without one or two of ATL/MCO/BOS/IAD.


More baseless armchair CEO quarterbacking. AA is the largest airline in LAX-MCO/BOS, routes it has flown for 30+ years that predate any of the hub that exists today. With Compass gone AA has already started planning the re-ramp of LAX routes using Skywest CRJ-700s (definite passenger downgrade) and putting mainline in some markets as well (LAXIAH is switching entirely from all-Eagle to all-mainline; LAXOKC will get mainline for the first time and mainline returning to LAXSFO).

Nobody is saying AA isn't going to make cuts at LAX, but implying routes like LAX-BOS are going to be gone? Inane.

You also keep spreading this baseless fiction about returning JFK slots that you have not been able to prove. Not saying AA isn't doing it, there is a ton of domestic flying that mainly serves the purpose of feeding international, but source this claim.


AA also quit on JFK-SAN which it had been flying forever. I'm not saying AA will leave on any of these routes, but people here are simply not realistic at the kind of cuts AA will have to make. They don't have luxury to fly a bunch of routes for strategic reasons anymore. There is no more sacred cows around. Their entire gameplan will revolve around DFW/CLT/DCA.

Take their schedule for July and add 50% on top of that for next summer. That's realistically how much flying they will be doing for each hubs. DFW/CLT will likely be back to 2019 size by next summer. Every other hubs will get huge cuts.


We will see. At MIA right now, with almost no international feed, AA is operating about 75% of it's pre-COVID domestic capacity and almost 100% of it's pre-COVID domestic route network (the only domestic route still suspended is Gainesville, Florida, which is supposed to resume in September). There is strength in domestic and it will only get stronger next year. International will of course just collapse for a while, but that demand is just going to redirect to places like...Miami and Los Angeles.

And AA still has JFKSAN in the schedules for the fall.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:00 pm

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Retreating to dominant hubs is not going to make AA the #1 U.S. carrier - not in revenues, not in profits. Strength at MIA isn't going to make AA dominate South Florida - there's too much LCC competition at FLL. AA is a fading #2 in CHI. PHL and CLT aren't particularly large O&D markets. (Yes, DFW is great, but WN puts a lot of seats into the DAL market.) If you're relying on hubs for connecting traffic you're in competition with all of the other 1-stop services, and at a significant deficit to carriers offering non-stops. AA has all but conceded NYC; it can't very well concede LAX, too.


AA is the largest carrier at ORD this summer.

Southwest flew 15.1million passengers through KDAL last year.

Including regionals, AA flew 68 million through DFW in 2019.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:02 pm

tphuang wrote:
AA has so much debt to pay off. Their only path out of this is through their fortress hubs. If they are going to be 30% smaller next year and bring back DFW/CLT/DCA to close to pre-COVID size, it's inconceivable how they could do that without major cuts elsewhere. LAX is going to get huge cuts. They likely have already returned most of their unused slots at JFK. LGA will be much smaller. MIA will be smaller. PHL will be smaller. PHX will be a lot smaller.

Keep in mind that they are already scheduling in a 45 to 50% schedule for July. See how many flights they have going out of LAX for July. Now think about how much more flights they can add if they are going to be 50% larger than this a year from now and that's probably what LAX will look like for them.

If DL can have a competitive network out of LAX without flights to ORD/IAD/CLT, AA's network out of LAX can go without one or two of ATL/MCO/BOS/IAD.


LAX is at 17% of normal pax, with no bank structures in place, how could AA possibly run a larger schedule?
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Also DCA will not be brought back close to pre-COVID size in 2021, it's heavy O&D and likely there won't be the volumes to bring that flying back full scale for most of 2021

Fortress hubs don't mean anything without a larger network in place, that seems pretty straightforward.....If you are outside of a fortress hub, why would you fly AA if you are going to connect anyway
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 7:37 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
AA has so much debt to pay off. Their only path out of this is through their fortress hubs. If they are going to be 30% smaller next year and bring back DFW/CLT/DCA to close to pre-COVID size, it's inconceivable how they could do that without major cuts elsewhere. LAX is going to get huge cuts. They likely have already returned most of their unused slots at JFK. LGA will be much smaller. MIA will be smaller. PHL will be smaller. PHX will be a lot smaller.

Keep in mind that they are already scheduling in a 45 to 50% schedule for July. See how many flights they have going out of LAX for July. Now think about how much more flights they can add if they are going to be 50% larger than this a year from now and that's probably what LAX will look like for them.

If DL can have a competitive network out of LAX without flights to ORD/IAD/CLT, AA's network out of LAX can go without one or two of ATL/MCO/BOS/IAD.


LAX is at 17% of normal pax, with no bank structures in place, how could AA possibly run a larger schedule?
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Also DCA will not be brought back close to pre-COVID size in 2021, it's heavy O&D and likely there won't be the volumes to bring that flying back full scale for most of 2021

Fortress hubs don't mean anything without a larger network in place, that seems pretty straightforward.....If you are outside of a fortress hub, why would you fly AA if you are going to connect anyway


Maybe LAX will see more than a 50% increase if the entire network capacity goes up 50%. But it's been pretty obvious their entire strategy is around making DFW as powerful as ATL and also restoring CLT as soon as possible. In order to restore DFW/CLT to those sizes, everything else will suffer.

I see LAX has 63 flights scheduled in for tomorrow. Even if they double their schedule a year from now, that's still only about 125 flights.

At some point, the slot waiver will go away. All the LCCs are chomping at the bid for slot waivers to end this year and at worst early next year. AA maybe willing to lose slots at NYC, but there is no way it will risk losing DCA slots.

Right now, AA is worried about just cash flow and returning to cash positive (which includes paying off a lot of interests). Not a lot of margin for worrying about networks in lower performing hubs.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:41 pm

tphuang wrote:

I see LAX has 63 flights scheduled in for tomorrow. Even if they double their schedule a year from now, that's still only about 125 flights.



LA's primary regional feeder at LAX, Compass, shut down. AA is in the process of moving this flying over to Skywest, which is already in motion and begins in earnest on September 8th.

Find it hard to believe AA is readying up all this new regional partner flying out of LAX to wind it all down again.

It's hard to predict a year from now because it ultimately depends on how domestic traffic recovers, but an operation of 150-180 daily flights is very realistic for summer 2020. They'll be well over 100 with every domestic route resumed by September. And it's not all a "filler" schedule either. While there will undboutedly be adjustments and I would think discontinued routes (although, as I mentioned, at MIA AA is operating it's entire domestic route network sans GNV today with virtually no international feed), as all airlines are doing a month out, they've actively started replacing the Compass flying with mainline and Skywest, which shows a level of commitment to this flying.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 8:53 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

I see LAX has 63 flights scheduled in for tomorrow. Even if they double their schedule a year from now, that's still only about 125 flights.



LA's primary regional feeder at LAX, Compass, shut down. AA is in the process of moving this flying over to Skywest, which is already in motion and begins in earnest on September 8th.

Find it hard to believe AA is readying up all this new regional partner flying out of LAX to wind it all down again.

It's hard to predict a year from now because it ultimately depends on how domestic traffic recovers, but an operation of 150-180 daily flights is very realistic for summer 2020. They'll be well over 100 with every domestic route resumed by September. And it's not all a "filler" schedule either. While there will undboutedly be adjustments and I would think discontinued routes (although, as I mentioned, at MIA AA is operating it's entire domestic route network sans GNV today with virtually no international feed), as all airlines are doing a month out, they've actively started replacing the Compass flying with mainline and Skywest, which shows a level of commitment to this flying.


hmm, July is likely the high watermark for AA scheduling for rest of the year with the COVID resurgence. I would be surprised if they don't do last minute August cuts like UA/F9 have already done and keep about that schedule for rest of the year.

Your estimates for next summer at LAX is unlikely if AA is going to be 25 to 30% smaller next summer.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:21 pm

One data point MIA looked like mid April today. I heard the FA say there’s only 20 paxs in Y. F is full though. Currently the FA and GA are having an argument as the FA feels paxs were boarded too early.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 08, 2020 9:35 pm

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

I see LAX has 63 flights scheduled in for tomorrow. Even if they double their schedule a year from now, that's still only about 125 flights.



LA's primary regional feeder at LAX, Compass, shut down. AA is in the process of moving this flying over to Skywest, which is already in motion and begins in earnest on September 8th.

Find it hard to believe AA is readying up all this new regional partner flying out of LAX to wind it all down again.

It's hard to predict a year from now because it ultimately depends on how domestic traffic recovers, but an operation of 150-180 daily flights is very realistic for summer 2020. They'll be well over 100 with every domestic route resumed by September. And it's not all a "filler" schedule either. While there will undboutedly be adjustments and I would think discontinued routes (although, as I mentioned, at MIA AA is operating it's entire domestic route network sans GNV today with virtually no international feed), as all airlines are doing a month out, they've actively started replacing the Compass flying with mainline and Skywest, which shows a level of commitment to this flying.


hmm, July is likely the high watermark for AA scheduling for rest of the year with the COVID resurgence. I would be surprised if they don't do last minute August cuts like UA/F9 have already done and keep about that schedule for rest of the year.

Your estimates for next summer at LAX is unlikely if AA is going to be 25 to 30% smaller next summer.


All we know is that international is shrinking 25%. We don't really know what is going to happen domestic.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 12:45 am

American has cancelled the passenger DFW-HKG resumption for tomorrow.

Similar to United, AA will not operate the flight for the next few days. The resumption will now be on July 16.

DFW-HND will inaugurate tomorrow, with what appears to be a terrible load.

DFW-ICN will also resume tomorrow.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:10 am

Ishrion wrote:
American has cancelled the passenger DFW-HKG resumption for tomorrow.

Similar to United, AA will not operate the flight for the next few days. The resumption will now be on July 16.

DFW-HND will inaugurate tomorrow, with what appears to be a terrible load.

DFW-ICN will also resume tomorrow.


The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:15 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American has cancelled the passenger DFW-HKG resumption for tomorrow.

Similar to United, AA will not operate the flight for the next few days. The resumption will now be on July 16.

DFW-HND will inaugurate tomorrow, with what appears to be a terrible load.

DFW-ICN will also resume tomorrow.


The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.


Of course. On top of that, AA is continuing to operate a daily 777-300ER on DFW-NRT and JAL has a 2x weekly HND-DFW flight that's mixed with a 5x weekly cargo-only flight.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:15 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American has cancelled the passenger DFW-HKG resumption for tomorrow.

Similar to United, AA will not operate the flight for the next few days. The resumption will now be on July 16.

DFW-HND will inaugurate tomorrow, with what appears to be a terrible load.

DFW-ICN will also resume tomorrow.


The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.


America has also banned EU citizens given how bad it is in the EU, especially Sweden and Portugal that have it worse than the States. So yes, a lot of these flights are operating primarily to shuffle cargo around.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:17 am

I’m connecting tonight @ DFW and it’s a ghost town. I’m thinking we may be entering COVID 19 Phase 2 and will soon return to the April days.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:22 am

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

I see LAX has 63 flights scheduled in for tomorrow. Even if they double their schedule a year from now, that's still only about 125 flights.



LA's primary regional feeder at LAX, Compass, shut down. AA is in the process of moving this flying over to Skywest, which is already in motion and begins in earnest on September 8th.

Find it hard to believe AA is readying up all this new regional partner flying out of LAX to wind it all down again.

It's hard to predict a year from now because it ultimately depends on how domestic traffic recovers, but an operation of 150-180 daily flights is very realistic for summer 2020. They'll be well over 100 with every domestic route resumed by September. And it's not all a "filler" schedule either. While there will undboutedly be adjustments and I would think discontinued routes (although, as I mentioned, at MIA AA is operating it's entire domestic route network sans GNV today with virtually no international feed), as all airlines are doing a month out, they've actively started replacing the Compass flying with mainline and Skywest, which shows a level of commitment to this flying.


But it IS a "filler" schedule...it's basically the pre-COVID schedule with exception of CP being replaced with OO/AA. They just loaded their "true" schedule through Labor Day this weekend.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:23 am

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At some point, the slot waiver will go away. All the LCCs are chomping at the bid for slot waivers to end this year and at worst early next year. AA maybe willing to lose slots at NYC, but there is no way it will risk losing DCA slots.


I had previously mentioned that most of the destinations that AA serves nonstop from DCA already have nonstop service out of IAD or BWI on UA, WN, NK, or G4. In addition, there are also 1-stop connecting options to DCA on AA and DL from most of the destinations that have nonstop service to DCA on AA but no nonstop service out of DCA, IAD, or BWI on other airlines.

If AA were to lose some slots at DCA, there would still be nonstop options out of DCA, IAD, or BWI on AA, UA, WN, NK, or G4 to most of the destinations that had nonstop service out of DCA on AA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic. UA adding nonstop service to CRW, CHA, DSM, XNA, JAN, EYW, LAN, and LIT out of IAD are also possibilities if AA drops nonstop service to these destinations from its DCA hub. WN re-adding BWI-LIT nonstop service and adding BWI-DSM nonstop service might also be possibilities, especially if AA drops DCA-LIT/DSM nonstop service.

I agree that AA would likely want to hold onto all of its DCA slots, even if there are other nonstop options out of DCA, IAD, or BWI to most of the destinations that AA served nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic, in order to (a) retain market share in the WAS market and (b) ensure that AA has enough slots at DCA once demand for domestic air travel returns to normal levels.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:37 am

MAH4546 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American has cancelled the passenger DFW-HKG resumption for tomorrow.

Similar to United, AA will not operate the flight for the next few days. The resumption will now be on July 16.

DFW-HND will inaugurate tomorrow, with what appears to be a terrible load.

DFW-ICN will also resume tomorrow.


The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.


America has also banned EU citizens given how bad it is in the EU, especially Sweden and Portugal that have it worse than the States. So yes, a lot of these flights are operating primarily to shuffle cargo around.


Well, the US banned EU citizens in March, and then created a mess at US airports, with huge bottlenecks, overwhelming TSA and FIS staff with Americans returning home with little notice, creating conditions ripe to spread the virus. You cannot even compare Sweden and Portugal to the US right now. Sweden took a different approach, that's true, but the US as 3MM cases, it is out of control in many states, and 130K deaths and rising. The country is laughing stock of the world right now. Last time I checked, the world was not laughing at Portugal. But yes, it's cargo that's mainly moving, not pax.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:38 am

Ishrion wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
American has cancelled the passenger DFW-HKG resumption for tomorrow.

Similar to United, AA will not operate the flight for the next few days. The resumption will now be on July 16.

DFW-HND will inaugurate tomorrow, with what appears to be a terrible load.

DFW-ICN will also resume tomorrow.


The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.


Of course. On top of that, AA is continuing to operate a daily 777-300ER on DFW-NRT and JAL has a 2x weekly HND-DFW flight that's mixed with a 5x weekly cargo-only flight.


Kind of surprised both DFW-TYO flights are going unless its purely for cargo.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:47 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.


America has also banned EU citizens given how bad it is in the EU, especially Sweden and Portugal that have it worse than the States. So yes, a lot of these flights are operating primarily to shuffle cargo around.


Well, the US banned EU citizens in March, and then created a mess at US airports, with huge bottlenecks, overwhelming TSA and FIS staff with Americans returning home with little notice, creating conditions ripe to spread the virus. You cannot even compare Sweden and Portugal to the US right now. Sweden took a different approach, that's true, but the US as 3MM cases, it is out of control in many states, and 130K deaths and rising. The country is laughing stock of the world right now. Last time I checked, the world was not laughing at Portugal. But yes, it's cargo that's mainly moving, not pax.


Oh I agree the US is handling poorly, which is especially bad for the EU countries since the global economy is reliant on the States, but you can absolutely compare the U.S. and Sweden, and Sweden per capita is in significantly worse shape.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:52 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

The DFW-HND loads are terrible because there's little demand for overseas travel right now, and I think Japan is also not letting US passport holders in, similar to the EU, and with good reason, given that COVID19 is out of control in the US with no progress on the horizon. Guessing a lot of cargo though will move on these resumed flights.


Of course. On top of that, AA is continuing to operate a daily 777-300ER on DFW-NRT and JAL has a 2x weekly HND-DFW flight that's mixed with a 5x weekly cargo-only flight.


Kind of surprised both DFW-TYO flights are going unless its purely for cargo.


Definitely going for cargo.

JAL's HND-DFW is interesting. It's operating daily as JL12/13 but JL12 is only bookable on Thursday/Saturday and JL13 is bookable on Monday/Wednesday. The rest are cargo-only flights.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:58 am

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Definitely going for cargo.

JAL's HND-DFW is interesting. It's operating daily as JL12/13 but JL12 is only bookable on Thursday/Saturday and JL13 is bookable on Monday/Wednesday. The rest are cargo-only flights.


JAL does the same in other cities. NRT-LAX bookable only 1x weekly yet operates daily, NRT-SFO bookable 2x weekly, also runs daily, etc.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 4:34 am

Looks like AA is running an A321 1x daily DFW-BDL this week in place of the normal daily 2x 738, not sure how long its in the schedules.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 09, 2020 9:37 am

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
AA has so much debt to pay off. Their only path out of this is through their fortress hubs. If they are going to be 30% smaller next year and bring back DFW/CLT/DCA to close to pre-COVID size, it's inconceivable how they could do that without major cuts elsewhere. LAX is going to get huge cuts. They likely have already returned most of their unused slots at JFK. LGA will be much smaller. MIA will be smaller. PHL will be smaller. PHX will be a lot smaller.

Keep in mind that they are already scheduling in a 45 to 50% schedule for July. See how many flights they have going out of LAX for July. Now think about how much more flights they can add if they are going to be 50% larger than this a year from now and that's probably what LAX will look like for them.

If DL can have a competitive network out of LAX without flights to ORD/IAD/CLT, AA's network out of LAX can go without one or two of ATL/MCO/BOS/IAD.


More baseless armchair CEO quarterbacking. AA is the largest airline in LAX-MCO/BOS, routes it has flown for 30+ years that predate any of the hub that exists today. With Compass gone AA has already started planning the re-ramp of LAX routes using Skywest CRJ-700s (definite passenger downgrade) and putting mainline in some markets as well (LAXIAH is switching entirely from all-Eagle to all-mainline; LAXOKC will get mainline for the first time and mainline returning to LAXSFO).

Nobody is saying AA isn't going to make cuts at LAX, but implying routes like LAX-BOS are going to be gone? Inane. AA will make cuts appropriately based on travel patterns as it sees fit. AA is very strong at LAX domestically, does not rely on international feed for a lot of its domestic flying, and will see how demand for those markets themselves comes back (or does not). MIA is an early look at this - there has been barely any international operations from MIA, yet AA still continues to operate "feeder" routes like MIATYS and MIAXNA at strong load factors. It's shocking to me but AA is actually operating roughly 75% of it's pre-COVID domestic capacity and a complete 100% of it's pre-COVID domestic route network from MIA right now.

You also keep spreading this baseless fiction about returning JFK slots that you have not been able to prove. Not saying AA isn't doing it, there is a ton of domestic flying that mainly serves the purpose of feeding international, but source this claim.


AA began LAX-BOS in 1957, with DC-7s. TWA also began LAX-BOS nonstops in the late 1950s, but UA did not do so until after deregulation.
 
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Thu Jul 09, 2020 1:05 pm

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flyfresno wrote:
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If we are to look at S21 schedules, the following are the routes at LAX that don’t seem to be resuming:-

LAX-FAT
LAX-STS
LAX-RDM
LAX-MFR
LAX-SDF

3 out of 4 flights on LAX-SEA upgauged to mainline.


AS announced FAT-LAX a few weeks ago, guess this is why. Also, AA is upguaging two PHX flights to mainline and (maybe) adding a 5th to DFW.
All that together will easily make up for the loss of seats.


AA simply has for some reason failed to loaded some flights past March 27th. None of these are discontinued.

AA and AS can not coordinate on LAXFAT. They would be sued.


Wasn't trying to say that they would coordinate, just that the net seat gain/loss out of FAT would be negligible. I am a bit surprised that AA would drop the route entirely and basically give up the FAT to the Pacific (mostly HI and Oceania) market (pretty much all other connections could be easily served out of PHX and/or DFW...but anything over the pacific is significantly less attractive going that way, especially on Qantas and Fiji, but maybe AS is going to take over those code shares?). Also, I thought OO used FAT for MX, but there are other options for sure.
 
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If the discussion does not involve AA, take the discussion to non aviation.

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AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend
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AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend


Didn’t see that coming. All three are already served by Southwest, Delta, and Frontier. Will be interesting to watch.
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:32 pm

a lot of aircraft sitting around. Might as well use them on popular leisure routes over a holiday weekend.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 15, 2020 12:36 pm

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AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend


Flights are loaded for 1 flight a day on 09/04 & 09/07
 
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AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend


Interesting!
 
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Wed Jul 15, 2020 10:21 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend


Didn’t see that coming. All three are already served by Southwest, Delta, and Frontier. Will be interesting to watch.


Actually, I'm pretty sure OAG sometime in the last few weeks showed DL pulling out of their little LAS E75 operation. LAS-PDX/SJC/LGB/SNA/SAN all gone.

So I guess AA sees a small hole to fill? But definitely a nontraditional strategy for them...
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Ishrion wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend


Didn’t see that coming. All three are already served by Southwest, Delta, and Frontier. Will be interesting to watch.


Actually, I'm pretty sure OAG sometime in the last few weeks showed DL pulling out of their little LAS E75 operation. LAS-PDX/SJC/LGB/SNA/SAN all gone.

So I guess AA sees a small hole to fill? But definitely a nontraditional strategy for them...


Well damn, DL's routes are really all gone. No longer available for booking.

AA's LAS-SAN/SJC/SNA flights seem to be temporary, only available for two days unless I missed the other days. They could be testing the waters of course, or it's just going where demand is for a short holiday.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:30 am

Vctony wrote:
RemoFlyer wrote:
Twitter update from JonNYC (assuming its meant to be public)

PHX, LAX expected to lose 800+ flight attendants, MIA maybe more than that. These are the "significant reduction" bases outlined in the info distributed yesterday
- 30% smaller management saves $500 million dollars
-money lost per day is reduced to $35 million now


To me that screams that PHX will be hit with the buzzsaw.

We have an idea as to where some of the LAX cuts are coming from (the reduced international flying).

PHX cuts will be severe (each flight requires fewer FAs so to cut that many FAs means a larger cut of flying).

WN is currently the largest carrier at PHX in terms of passengers and it doesn't appear that this stat is likely to change.



PHX will likely see a lot of mainline going down to 76 seat regional.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:04 am

Ishrion wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Ishrion wrote:

Didn’t see that coming. All three are already served by Southwest, Delta, and Frontier. Will be interesting to watch.


Actually, I'm pretty sure OAG sometime in the last few weeks showed DL pulling out of their little LAS E75 operation. LAS-PDX/SJC/LGB/SNA/SAN all gone.

So I guess AA sees a small hole to fill? But definitely a nontraditional strategy for them...


Well damn, DL's routes are really all gone. No longer available for booking.

AA's LAS-SAN/SJC/SNA flights seem to be temporary, only available for two days unless I missed the other days. They could be testing the waters of course, or it's just going where demand is for a short holiday.


FSDan wrote:
So I guess AA sees a small hole to fill? But definitely a nontraditional strategy for them...


Got to give it up to Vasu and his team, they are finding niches to exploit even during a pandemic: BOS-JAC, LAS flying (although only a couple flights for now), & SEA-PVG
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:27 am

I think a lot of people are wrong about AA dehubbing PHX. Compared to LAX, it's been a more profitable operation, is a bit larger, and AA also has a larger market share there. LAX doesn't have any geographical advantages that make it preferable over PHX, neither are ideal geographically. I don't see why AA couldn't move some of their LAX operations to PHX & SEA. I think LAX is way more likely to see massive cuts compared to PHX, though both will shrink regardless. I say PHX is fine.

It's also really telling that during this crisis, LAX became basically a spoke, while AA retained a chunk of it's hub operation at PHX, and a lot of the routes there still operated, though on a much lower frequency than before. Most routes of out LAX were outright canceled for a while.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:42 am

As for other cities, I assume DFW & CLT come back much quicker than the other hubs have (they already have to an extent). I would not be shocked if DFW is back in the 750-800 daily flights range by the end of the year and CLT is around 550-600. I wouldn't be shocked if they announced some new leisure routes from those cities, as they've already been doing that quite a bit. They will the two largest hubs by a wide margin. ORD will probably follow after them, but will still be a distant third. MIA, and to a lesser extent, PHL, will be somewhat based on the situations in South America and Europe. Right now, neither of those places are feasible at all. I suspect Int'l travel at those two cities will be down for a very long time. DCA is mainly O&D, and will largely depend on the situation in DC/VA/MD. I think we won't see DCA back to full (or close to full) service levels until late 2021 or 2022. I assume once service is restored, AA will once again focus on domestic growth there, as they're getting an expanded terminal there. PHX will come back a bit quicker than LAX, and both those cities will likely lose a few routes, especially LAX. NYC is a mystery one. The NYC operation is largely O&D based, so like DCA, it will be down for a while. I suspect LGA will come back first with domestic ops. JFK could be in trouble, and may lose most non-hub routes except for the ultra-important markets (LHR, SFO, MAD, CDG, LAS, etc). I suspect MXP is seeing its final days at JFK and will either be moved to PHL or cut altogether. It's about a 50/50 between those two. Some leisure markets like CUN, MBJ, GCM, etc, may survive too. SEA hasn't seen its new adds yet, but I assume plans will go forward with that.

All in all, LAX and JFK will likely to be the biggest losers from this, though I see just about every hub except for CLT & DFW "losing" a lot, at least in the short term. Long term, places like ORD & DCA will be fine.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 12:25 pm

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All in all, LAX and JFK will likely to be the biggest losers from this, though I see just about every hub except for CLT & DFW "losing" a lot, at least in the short term. Long term, places like ORD & DCA will be fine.


I don't get how AA can get through this if they shrink JFK/LAX significantly. Those are the two most important travel markets in the country. I know they kept pulling down JFK because the routes were too competitive and they got alot of flack for it online. But now LAX? I mean sure, DFW is profitable and great, but how good will it be if you lose your big corporate contracts and coast based FF accounts to DL/B6 because you're shrinking in the markets they want fly to? And if you cut 30% of your flights, your cost per flight of debt service just grows 30%.

It seems to me this crisis actually could have done AA a big favour. Go through BK, renegotiate leases, dump old planes you no longer need, renegotiate debt, renegotiate union agreements, trim more of the management "bloat", get rid of the crazy old and inefficient IT systems ect. Come out of this a VERY lean airline able to compete and grow.

It will actually be a shame if AA comes out of this crisis with a 30% smaller footprint, a boatload more debt and the same uncompetitive cost structure that is causing them to have to cut back on any route that's competitive.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:02 pm

MKIAZ wrote:
N292UX wrote:
All in all, LAX and JFK will likely to be the biggest losers from this, though I see just about every hub except for CLT & DFW "losing" a lot, at least in the short term. Long term, places like ORD & DCA will be fine.


I don't get how AA can get through this if they shrink JFK/LAX significantly. Those are the two most important travel markets in the country. I know they kept pulling down JFK because the routes were too competitive and they got alot of flack for it online. But now LAX? I mean sure, DFW is profitable and great, but how good will it be if you lose your big corporate contracts and coast based FF accounts to DL/B6 because you're shrinking in the markets they want fly to? And if you cut 30% of your flights, your cost per flight of debt service just grows 30%.

It seems to me this crisis actually could have done AA a big favour. Go through BK, renegotiate leases, dump old planes you no longer need, renegotiate debt, renegotiate union agreements, trim more of the management "bloat", get rid of the crazy old and inefficient IT systems ect. Come out of this a VERY lean airline able to compete and grow.

It will actually be a shame if AA comes out of this crisis with a 30% smaller footprint, a boatload more debt and the same uncompetitive cost structure that is causing them to have to cut back on any route that's competitive.


Well, there appears to be some developments on the JFK side:
http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... ET-ALP-07/
Well, curious if these will be net adds to JFK or if they reduce frequency on other international destinations.

does anyone know if AA is leasing slots out to B6? They noted growth in NYC At JFK and LGA, I was curious where the slots were coming from
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:14 pm

In reply to MKAIZ.

I think you are completely wrong and thinking old airline way and AA is probably being correct (and aggressive/creative) and thinking a new airline way. BK doesn't really help them with Leases or Labor much at this point, they already cut management and IT redos cost lots of money. They will be lean and with AK and JB code shares have the best network among anyone. BTW if you listen to Vasu Raju he is always talking about growing out of the crisis not cutting out of it.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:25 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
In reply to MKAIZ.

I think you are completely wrong and thinking old airline way and AA is probably being correct (and aggressive/creative) and thinking a new airline way. BK doesn't really help them with Leases or Labor much at this point, they already cut management and IT redos cost lots of money. They will be lean and with AK and JB code shares have the best network among anyone. BTW if you listen to Vasu Raju he is always talking about growing out of the crisis not cutting out of it.


It's refreshing to see someone try something different. Vasu admits it may not work, but it's better than guaranting bankruptcy by shrinking.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 1:29 pm

MKIAZ wrote:
N292UX wrote:
All in all, LAX and JFK will likely to be the biggest losers from this, though I see just about every hub except for CLT & DFW "losing" a lot, at least in the short term. Long term, places like ORD & DCA will be fine.


I don't get how AA can get through this if they shrink JFK/LAX significantly. Those are the two most important travel markets in the country. I know they kept pulling down JFK because the routes were too competitive and they got alot of flack for it online. But now LAX? I mean sure, DFW is profitable and great, but how good will it be if you lose your big corporate contracts and coast based FF accounts to DL/B6 because you're shrinking in the markets they want fly to? And if you cut 30% of your flights, your cost per flight of debt service just grows 30%.

It seems to me this crisis actually could have done AA a big favour. Go through BK, renegotiate leases, dump old planes you no longer need, renegotiate debt, renegotiate union agreements, trim more of the management "bloat", get rid of the crazy old and inefficient IT systems ect. Come out of this a VERY lean airline able to compete and grow.

It will actually be a shame if AA comes out of this crisis with a 30% smaller footprint, a boatload more debt and the same uncompetitive cost structure that is causing them to have to cut back on any route that's competitive.


The issue with JFK and LAX is they are terrible as hubs for AA. In JFK they don't have enough slots for size and LAX doesn't have the gate space. Both are also extremely competitive and high cost. Given the constraints AA is probably correct to be focusing on O&D in both cities and not just size. The new AS&B6 partnerships will help them in both cities, but neither will be as important as DFW or CLT to AA.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:00 pm

In light of today's announcement regarding JFK-ATH/TLV, and this past weekend's OAG update showing a number of short-haul runs ex PHL were suspended outright (or reduced) and transferred to CLT, I am starting to question AA's role at PHL going forward. I don't think it would be de-hubbed, but it just seems interesting.

On a different note, I fail to see how the AS partnership helps AA in LAX. AA serves more destinations ex LAX than AS does, and the only "unique" AS routes ex LAX that AA does not fly are BOI/BWI/DAL/PAE/RSW/FLL*/GDL/ZIH/LIB/LTO/ZLO/MZT/EWR*/GEG. Sure that is a decent number, but it isn't anything truly unique, except for maybe the Mexican resort network.

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:04 pm

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In light of today's announcement regarding JFK-ATH/TLV, and this past weekend's OAG update showing a number of short-haul runs ex PHL were suspended outright (or reduced) and transferred to CLT, I am starting to question AA's role at PHL going forward. I don't think it would be de-hubbed, but it just seems interesting.


Domestic, sure, but:

The partnership between American and JetBlue enables sustainable international growth for customers in the Northeast from JFK, which will continue to complement the robust international service from Philadelphia (PHL), for even more options.


Then again, Seattle's new long-haul network was supposed to complement LAX, but that didn't really happen.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:13 pm

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As for other cities, I assume DFW & CLT come back much quicker than the other hubs have (they already have to an extent). I would not be shocked if DFW is back in the 750-800 daily flights range by the end of the year and CLT is around 550-600. I wouldn't be shocked if they announced some new leisure routes from those cities, as they've already been doing that quite a bit. They will the two largest hubs by a wide margin. ORD will probably follow after them, but will still be a distant third. MIA, and to a lesser extent, PHL, will be somewhat based on the situations in South America and Europe. Right now, neither of those places are feasible at all. I suspect Int'l travel at those two cities will be down for a very long time. DCA is mainly O&D, and will largely depend on the situation in DC/VA/MD. I think we won't see DCA back to full (or close to full) service levels until late 2021 or 2022. I assume once service is restored, AA will once again focus on domestic growth there, as they're getting an expanded terminal there. PHX will come back a bit quicker than LAX, and both those cities will likely lose a few routes, especially LAX. NYC is a mystery one. The NYC operation is largely O&D based, so like DCA, it will be down for a while. I suspect LGA will come back first with domestic ops. JFK could be in trouble, and may lose most non-hub routes except for the ultra-important markets (LHR, SFO, MAD, CDG, LAS, etc). I suspect MXP is seeing its final days at JFK and will either be moved to PHL or cut altogether. It's about a 50/50 between those two. Some leisure markets like CUN, MBJ, GCM, etc, may survive too. SEA hasn't seen its new adds yet, but I assume plans will go forward with that.

All in all, LAX and JFK will likely to be the biggest losers from this, though I see just about every hub except for CLT & DFW "losing" a lot, at least in the short term. Long term, places like ORD & DCA will be fine.

Well lets just say my take on JFK didn't age well at all for now. We'll have to see what happens in LAX going forward.
 
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Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:14 pm

Congratulations to American upon the coup of turning JetBlue and Alaska into

Eagle Flights and Eagle Shuttles.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 2:44 pm

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In light of today's announcement regarding JFK-ATH/TLV, and this past weekend's OAG update showing a number of short-haul runs ex PHL were suspended outright (or reduced) and transferred to CLT, I am starting to question AA's role at PHL going forward. I don't think it would be de-hubbed, but it just seems interesting.

On a different note, I fail to see how the AS partnership helps AA in LAX. AA serves more destinations ex LAX than AS does, and the only "unique" AS routes ex LAX that AA does not fly are BOI/BWI/DAL/PAE/RSW/FLL*/GDL/ZIH/LIB/LTO/ZLO/MZT/EWR*/GEG. Sure that is a decent number, but it isn't anything truly unique, except for maybe the Mexican resort network.

*Routes AA used to fly nonstop ex LAX

These were some of the remaining holdouts from the LUS days when PHL was used much more as a domestic connecting hub. I think these come back as traffic increases, but the O&D on these routes was probably very small.

PHL-ABE, AVP averaged less than 10 O&D paxs a day (both ways) in Q3 2018 and not listed on the Consumer Airfare report. PHL-ITH averaged 6 paxs each way.

I am actually curious about CLT's TA routes. With the B6 feed at JFK does CLT need 6, 7, 8, 9 TA routes?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:23 pm

UpNAWAy wrote:
In reply to MKAIZ.

I think you are completely wrong and thinking old airline way and AA is probably being correct (and aggressive/creative) and thinking a new airline way. BK doesn't really help them with Leases or Labor much at this point, they already cut management and IT redos cost lots of money. They will be lean and with AK and JB code shares have the best network among anyone. BTW if you listen to Vasu Raju he is always talking about growing out of the crisis not cutting out of it.


They can't grow out of the crisis without a significantly lower cost structure. Everywhere they try to grow, competition will undercut them.

The B6 agreement is interesting, and probably the best of bad options right now. But it means that ultimately B6 will dominate the transcon markets. AA can't compete on price. And with more gates at LAX and ability to add more frequency, B6 is going to be the big winner coming out of this. I think there may be more news to drop later about the 321T fleet. That fleet relies on business travellers paying business class fares to offset the extreme low density. That is gone for now.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 4:58 pm

USAirALB wrote:
In light of today's announcement regarding JFK-ATH/TLV, and this past weekend's OAG update showing a number of short-haul runs ex PHL were suspended outright (or reduced) and transferred to CLT, I am starting to question AA's role at PHL going forward. I don't think it would be de-hubbed, but it just seems interesting.

On a different note, I fail to see how the AS partnership helps AA in LAX. AA serves more destinations ex LAX than AS does, and the only "unique" AS routes ex LAX that AA does not fly are BOI/BWI/DAL/PAE/RSW/FLL*/GDL/ZIH/LIB/LTO/ZLO/MZT/EWR*/GEG. Sure that is a decent number, but it isn't anything truly unique, except for maybe the Mexican resort network.

*Routes AA used to fly nonstop ex LAX


American hired a planner with UAL experience and knows the value of NYC. I would be surprised if this agreement is approved without massive divestitures from both AA and B6. Then your comment re PHL some 90 miles to the southwest, which may get the interest of Southwest. We'll see but giving this 40-60 chance of approval. It is not critical for AA IMO.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 16, 2020 5:22 pm

Philly65 wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
In light of today's announcement regarding JFK-ATH/TLV, and this past weekend's OAG update showing a number of short-haul runs ex PHL were suspended outright (or reduced) and transferred to CLT, I am starting to question AA's role at PHL going forward. I don't think it would be de-hubbed, but it just seems interesting.

On a different note, I fail to see how the AS partnership helps AA in LAX. AA serves more destinations ex LAX than AS does, and the only "unique" AS routes ex LAX that AA does not fly are BOI/BWI/DAL/PAE/RSW/FLL*/GDL/ZIH/LIB/LTO/ZLO/MZT/EWR*/GEG. Sure that is a decent number, but it isn't anything truly unique, except for maybe the Mexican resort network.

*Routes AA used to fly nonstop ex LAX


American hired a planner with UAL experience and knows the value of NYC. I would be surprised if this agreement is approved without massive divestitures from both AA and B6. Then your comment re PHL some 90 miles to the southwest, which may get the interest of Southwest. We'll see but giving this 40-60 chance of approval. It is not critical for AA IMO.


It's a codeshare not any kind of integration. It will go through easily with no divestures but may have limits on ability to codeshare on certain competitive routes and/or guarantees to not drop certain routes for a period of time
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Blimps / Airships Everything from the Goodyear blimp to the Zeppelin

Night Photos Beautiful shots taken while the sun is below the horizon

Accidents Accident, incident and crash related photos

Air to Air Photos taken by airborne photographers of airborne aircraft

Special Paint Schemes Aircraft painted in beautiful and original liveries

Airport Overviews Airport overviews from the air or ground

Tails and Winglets Tail and Winglet closeups with beautiful airline logos