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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:13 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:

They might also be doing this to take on DL and UA. Both are already flying to Sydney and UA will resume LAX-SYD this week. Why did AA pick the 77W for this route and could this be a permanent change for the route going forward?


AA's currently operating cargo-only flights on LAX-SYD using the 777-300ER at a daily frequency, so they're continuing to use the same aircraft into the winter but allowing customers to purchase tickets for some flights.

I'm guessing they'll continue operating LAX-SYD daily while 4x weekly frequencies will have passengers and the other 3x weekly freq. will be cargo-only, similar to what JAL is doing for some of their long-haul flights.

As for it being a permanent change, maybe. AA ended LAX-HKG which may free up a 77W or two?

Now that I’m thinking about it, DFW-HKG’s 77W will have to stay in HKG for 22 hours again unless they manage to rotate it with a cargo-only LAX/NRT-HKG flight... or a new HKG flight.


I’ve heard AA might be reconsidering LAXHKG/PVG depending on how things play out.


MAH4546,
Where did you hear this from? And would readding LAX-PVG replace the upcoming SEA-PVG or would it be in addition?
 
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AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:32 am

American has announced both DAB-DFW and DAB-PHL this evening. Flight start up in December with DFW on a CRJ-900 and PHL on a CRJ-700. Both are 1x daily.

Flights are bookable on AA website.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 12:33 am

DAB = Daytona Beach

I had to google it, so figured I'd save others who didn't know :)
2020: SFO DFW IAH HOU CLT MEX BIS MIA GUA ORD DTW LGA BOS LHR DUB BFS BHD STN OAK PHL ISP JFK SJC DEN SJU LAS TXL GDL
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:02 am

A direct connection from DFW to Embry-Riddle :o
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:02 am

Kind of a random add, but I guess they have the dartboard out to every leisure destination as that is where the money is these days. Also would never in a million years have expected them to add IND-CUN
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:24 am

It is good to see DAB get some love. This will give locals more options going to the NE via PHL and West via DFW. Maybe AA will eventually link-up MIA to DAB when the South American countries fully open back up?

This airport has a very peaky demand curve based around events in Daytona such as Bike Week and the Daytona 500, but demand falls way off during the Summer & Fall months. DAB also struggles with Allegiant offering ULCC service out of SFB, which is only slightly over 30 minutes drive time from Daytona, as well as its close proximity to the behemoth, MCO just an hour's drive from same.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:31 am

Has AA ever served DAB (within the last 20 years) from other than CLT?
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:49 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Has AA ever served DAB (within the last 20 years) from other than CLT?

Yes, seasonal LGA
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 1:58 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Has AA ever served DAB (within the last 20 years) from other than CLT?

Greater than 20 years, American had service between RDU-DAB in the early 90s. US Airways served PHL-DAB in the early 90s and prior to that, BWI-DAB. There was also USX service to MCO and JAX.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:23 am

stl07 wrote:
Kind of a random add, but I guess they have the dartboard out to every leisure destination as that is where the money is these days. Also would never in a million years have expected them to add IND-CUN


MLB picked up service to PHL and DCA in the last couple years, so I'm not surprised at all by DAB getting PHL in general (though, granted, I'm both surprised of the timing (COVID) and not surprised (whole new world of airline scheduling making sunshine routes popular)).
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:31 am

flyjoe wrote:
US Airways served PHL-DAB in the early 90s

With 727s no less.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:34 am

Antarius wrote:
DAB = Daytona Beach

I had to google it, so figured I'd save others who didn't know :)


Most famous flight school in the world on the field.

I think this forum knows DAB well :)
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:51 am

I think the RDU-DAB flight continued to MLB using Maddogs. DAB had many more flights per day back when they had the old terminal.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:06 am

wedgetail737 wrote:
I think the RDU-DAB flight continued to MLB using Maddogs. DAB had many more flights per day back when they had the old terminal.


From what I’ve seen on departedflights.com they each had their own nonstops to RDU. It was CO that did EWR-DAB-MLB.
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US Airways served PHL-DAB in the early 90s

With 727s no less.


1995 shows it on a F100, haven’t seen those in a looooonnnnnng time.

DAB has been trying to get DFW flights for a while. PHL seems nice too. It’ll give DAB access to some smaller markets in the northeast. First time in over a decade that you can fly to ISP with a single connection. Haven’t been able to do that since DL pulled out of ISP.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:22 am

Ordering need coming in from BLR, India. Since excerpts from the article...

American Airlines appoints Air Logistics Group as cargo GSA in India

"...... Tim Isik, director cargo sales – Europe, Middle East and Africa, said, “India is an important market for American’s cargo operations. As we prepare to launch our new Seattle to Bengaluru service in 2021, we are delighted to be strengthening our position in India through this exclusive partnership with Air Logistics Group.”


Link:- https://www.itln.in/american-airlines-a ... a-in-india


So it seems like they are going to go ahead with the BLR -SEA flight from WS 2021afterall .. contrary to rumours of them not going to fly.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:33 am

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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:45 pm

flyjoe wrote:
US Airways served PHL-DAB in the early 90s

With 727s no less.[/quote]

1995 shows it on a F100, haven’t seen those in a looooonnnnnng time.[/quote]
I worked in PHL at the time and remember the F100 and even the DC-9 doing the morning flight.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 2:46 pm

flyjoe wrote:
flyjoe wrote:
US Airways served PHL-DAB in the early 90s

With 727s no less.


Evank516 wrote: 1995 shows it on a F100, haven’t seen those in a looooonnnnnng time.[/quote]

I worked in PHL at the time and remember the F100 and even the DC-9 doing the morning flight.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 3:00 pm

PHL-DAB began with 727s, IIRC 1994.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:11 pm

I am honestly surprised to learn just now that pre-merger AA did not serve Daytona Beach at all.

The northern parts of Florida always seemed to be second fiddle for AA as even the larger JAX market pre-TWA only had token service to DFW (all F100) and MIA (ATR).
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 5:21 pm

AA had DAB-JAX-BNA during the BNA hub years as well. I flew AA DAB-RDU-PVD return in the early 90s to get home for Christmas break. First time on AA and first time to RDU.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:13 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
It is good to see DAB get some love. This will give locals more options going to the NE via PHL and West via DFW. Maybe AA will eventually link-up MIA to DAB when the South American countries fully open back up?


You'd think an ERJ once a day would be a decent option to try and feed Southbound connections since all the flights out of DAB are to the north or west. It would make sense.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:23 pm

DeltaRules wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
It is good to see DAB get some love. This will give locals more options going to the NE via PHL and West via DFW. Maybe AA will eventually link-up MIA to DAB when the South American countries fully open back up?


You'd think an ERJ once a day would be a decent option to try and feed Southbound connections since all the flights out of DAB are to the north or west. It would make sense.


It is possible that AA will have Envoy do a MIA-DAB turn in one of their E145's down the road. Envoy does similar intra-Florida routes such as MIA-TLH and MIA-PNS. They used to do MIA-GNV, too. Republic does MIA-JAX and MIA-EYW for AA. I understand that AA's MIA hub is recovering pretty fast as the Florida continues to open up despite high COVID-19 rates.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:37 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
It is possible that AA will have Envoy do a MIA-DAB turn in one of their E145's down the road. Envoy does similar intra-Florida routes such as MIA-TLH and MIA-PNS. They used to do MIA-GNV, too. Republic does MIA-JAX and MIA-EYW for AA. I understand that AA's MIA hub is recovering pretty fast as the Florida continues to open up despite high COVID-19 rates.


Some of those of rather farther (or a slower drive) than DAB. When did AA last have regular 7-day MIA-DAB?
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 7:23 pm

I've been hoping that a DFW to DAB would happen someday, I even wrote to AA asking if they would consider it even if it was Saturday only. I travel there a lot and going through CLT makes it a long trip. don't like flying into MCO and driving. DAB is a small airport and 5 min walk to car rental and at New Smyrna in 20-25 min.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:29 pm

FLALEFTY wrote:
DeltaRules wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
It is good to see DAB get some love. This will give locals more options going to the NE via PHL and West via DFW. Maybe AA will eventually link-up MIA to DAB when the South American countries fully open back up?


You'd think an ERJ once a day would be a decent option to try and feed Southbound connections since all the flights out of DAB are to the north or west. It would make sense.


It is possible that AA will have Envoy do a MIA-DAB turn in one of their E145's down the road. Envoy does similar intra-Florida routes such as MIA-TLH and MIA-PNS. They used to do MIA-GNV, too. Republic does MIA-JAX and MIA-EYW for AA. I understand that AA's MIA hub is recovering pretty fast as the Florida continues to open up despite high COVID-19 rates.


Back when I lived in JAX the JAX-MIA flight was really only useful for Caribbean or South American connections and some O&D JAX-MIA passengers, middle 2000's AA ran I think 4-5 ATR72's per day from JAX-MIA. Of my dozen or so flights out of JAX on AA I only used MIA once on a SFO-MIA-JAX return but that was only because of timing and to get a nice long ride on a 767-300.

I think DAB is a little too close driving wise to MCO to justify a direct connect to Miami, thinking the Caribbean and South American bound passengers prob dip the hour down to MCO to take some non-stops.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:45 pm

Would it be possible that AA is doing this in part to impress the very large congress delegations from FL, TX, PA?
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:52 pm

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Would it be possible that AA is doing this in part to impress the very large congress delegations from FL, TX, PA?

With DAB? You must be joking
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 9:55 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Would it be possible that AA is doing this in part to impress the very large congress delegations from FL, TX, PA?

With DAB? You must be joking


I admit it is a little weird, but the idea that DAB needs more flights now than it did in 2019 is also a little weird.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:02 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
FLALEFTY wrote:
It is possible that AA will have Envoy do a MIA-DAB turn in one of their E145's down the road. Envoy does similar intra-Florida routes such as MIA-TLH and MIA-PNS. They used to do MIA-GNV, too. Republic does MIA-JAX and MIA-EYW for AA. I understand that AA's MIA hub is recovering pretty fast as the Florida continues to open up despite high COVID-19 rates.


Some of those of rather farther (or a slower drive) than DAB. When did AA last have regular 7-day MIA-DAB?


AA originally served DAB back in the 1980's and early 1990's, but discontinued service in 1994. AA's service to DAB resumed as a result of the merger of AA and US Airways in 2015. US Airways served DAB-CLT prior to the merger and this continued under the AA brand. AA has never served DAB from MIA, but it is possible that they might add this link since AA's reestablishment of international service via CLT appears to be lagging compared to MIA.

The last regular MIA-DAB service was by Gulfstream Airlines (which molted into today's Silver Airways), that ended years ago. This was flown with Beechcraft B1900 turboprops.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 07, 2020 10:50 pm

What are the total number of daily departures from AA's hubs in September/October? I imagine LGA/DCA/LAX/MIA are really low, and it appears that CLT & DFW are at about 75%-90%, at least on the domestic side. Especially DFW.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:15 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
AA is adding SAN/SJC/SNA-LAS over labor day weekend


It's likely not the most accurate, but aa.com's seat map is showing LAS-SJC as nearly sold out today. Just a few seats left about one hour before departure.

Not sure how LAS-SAN/SNA did since they already departed, but I'm guessing they also sold well.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Mon Sep 07, 2020 11:43 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Antarius wrote:
DAB = Daytona Beach

I had to google it, so figured I'd save others who didn't know :)


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I think this forum knows DAB well :)


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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:02 am

Cross-posting from its own thread, but AA is starting DFW/PHL-DAB in December.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:02 am

N312RC wrote:
jfklganyc wrote:
Antarius wrote:
DAB = Daytona Beach

I had to google it, so figured I'd save others who didn't know :)


Most famous flight school in the world on the field.

I think this forum knows DAB well :)


Friends don’t let friends become Riddle Rats.[/quot


I dont know.

Anyone I know that went there and applied themselves is very successful in the aviation world. :) It is a great school!
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:25 am

flyPIT wrote:
PHL-DAB began with 727s, IIRC 1994.


That’s not possible. By 94 the only 727’s were on the Shuttle.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 12:45 am

phllax wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
PHL-DAB began with 727s, IIRC 1994.


That’s not possible. By 94 the only 727’s were on the Shuttle.


PHL-DAB began with 727s.

Better?
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:19 am

What's with all of these Florida adds by B6, UA, AA, etc.? Is FL the COVID-19 escape destination or something?
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:22 am

N649DL wrote:
Is FL the COVID-19 escape destination or something?


Yes.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:42 am

MLB could really use a DFW flight :) Just saying!
 
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Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 am

LCDFlight wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
Would it be possible that AA is doing this in part to impress the very large congress delegations from FL, TX, PA?

With DAB? You must be joking


I admit it is a little weird, but the idea that DAB needs more flights now than it did in 2019 is also a little weird.


HUH?

DAB was 1 of only 2 airports in Florida to see a drop in traffic in 2019 vs 2018...mainly because of Jetblue's exit, I'm guessing.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 1:59 am

B6 was pulling 90%+ load factors for a good chunk of their time at DAB, too. It wasn't long after they pulled out before AA jumped in with their weekly LGA flight (and the announcement might have even been before B6's last JFK flight).

phllax wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
PHL-DAB began with 727s, IIRC 1994.


That’s not possible. By 94 the only 727’s were on the Shuttle.


Not to derail, but I flew CLT-SJU-CLT on 727s in February 1995.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 4:06 am

DeltaRules wrote:
B6 was pulling 90%+ load factors for a good chunk of their time at DAB, too. It wasn't long after they pulled out before AA jumped in with their weekly LGA flight (and the announcement might have even been before B6's last JFK flight).

phllax wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
PHL-DAB began with 727s, IIRC 1994.


That’s not possible. By 94 the only 727’s were on the Shuttle.


Not to derail, but I flew CLT-SJU-CLT on 727s in February 1995.


I think it was in Feb or March when AA announced they would offer LGA-DAB. B6 was definitely gone already. The main reason B6 left was because they couldn’t get the fare premiums. It wasn’t load factors.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 6:57 pm

I believe the Daytona Beach has experienced significant population growth over the couple of years.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:50 pm

phllax wrote:
flyPIT wrote:
PHL-DAB began with 727s, IIRC 1994.


That’s not possible. By 94 the only 727’s were on the Shuttle.


Actually, I would say it is possible. The 727's were not limited to the Shuttle by that time. I'm looking at USAir's April 1995 flight schedule and seeing 727s on:

Baltimore-Bermuda
Baltimore-Hartford
Baltimore-Pittsburgh

Charlotte-Baltimore
Charlotte-Daytona Beach
Charlotte-Indianapolis
Charlotte-LaGuardia
Charlotte-Pittsburgh
Charlotte-San Juan

Pittsburgh-Greensboro
Pittsburgh-Philadelphia

Philadelphia-Bermuda
Philadelphia-Hartford
Philadelphia-San Juan

However, as far as the start date, the first USAir timetable that shows nonstop service from Philadelphia to Daytona Beach was February 15, 1995. It, unfortunately, does not list aircraft types.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:14 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
I believe the Daytona Beach has experienced significant population growth over the couple of years.


Jimmy Buffett was involved in the development of Margaritaville, a 55+ community the next exit up from DAB on I-95. The first phase had something like 200 lots and was nearly sold out when I went up out of curiosity a couple years ago.
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:47 am

DeltaRules wrote:
dfwjim1 wrote:
I believe the Daytona Beach has experienced significant population growth over the couple of years.


Jimmy Buffett was involved in the development of Margaritaville, a 55+ community the next exit up from DAB on I-95. The first phase had something like 200 lots and was nearly sold out when I went up out of curiosity a couple years ago.


One of the handicaps that DAB suffered from was the long-delayed I-95/International Speedway Blvd. interchange improvements. That made access from New Smyrna, West Volusia County and Palm Coast to DAB much harder than it should have been. But good news - The road project has been finished and DAB is now very easy to access once again.

I know that JetBlue came and went, but I wonder if either Frontier or Spirit might give DAB a try when things get back to normal? I think they would do well in this market.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:37 am

Ahh...you guys bring back memories of DAB in the mid-70s spring break trips and a few even after college in the late 70's/maybe early 80's.
For sure recall soaking some sun and seeing a few "Sun King" 727's of National climbing out to the north. As best I recall, with out checking departed flights right now, they went to LGA, and a JAX-BWI (maybe)..seemed like 3-4 daily. Then the usual EA 727 or D9S to ATL and I think a CLT and a LGA or DCA.

Lots of smoke and noise...the way it used to be!
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:42 pm

727LOVER wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
With DAB? You must be joking


I admit it is a little weird, but the idea that D I AB needs more flights now than it did in 2019 is also a little weird.


HUH?

DAB was 1 of only 2 airports in Florida to see a drop in traffic in 2019 vs 2018...mainly because of Jetblue's exit, I'm guessing.


Today AA CFO is out asking for a bigger US Treasury cash infusion. A relatively low cost growth flight connecting 3 massive swing states Just might be part of a government relations effort. I’m not crazy for saying that.
 
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Re: AA Announces DAB-DFW/PHL

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:05 pm

LCDFlight wrote:
727LOVER wrote:
LCDFlight wrote:

I admit it is a little weird, but the idea that D I AB needs more flights now than it did in 2019 is also a little weird.


HUH?

DAB was 1 of only 2 airports in Florida to see a drop in traffic in 2019 vs 2018...mainly because of Jetblue's exit, I'm guessing.


Today AA CFO is out asking for a bigger US Treasury cash infusion. A relatively low cost growth flight connecting 3 massive swing states Just might be part of a government relations effort. I’m not crazy for saying that.


Isn't DeSantis originally from Volusia County?
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