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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:07 am

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Not sure of the details, but AA to serve La Paz (LAP) and Loreto (LTO) from PHX and LAX


Per JonNYC's twitter post it'll be seasonal starting in December from PHX and DFW, not LAX. Flights will be loaded this upcoming weekend!
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:39 am

Thought for a hot second there AA was going back to La Paz, Bolivia. Feel like these routes should do fine seasonally.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:46 am

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Not sure of the details, but AA to serve La Paz (LAP) and Loreto (LTO) from PHX and LAX



Sorry, but yes it's PHX and DFW, is there really that much traffic to support that much capacity.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:31 am

Didn't US/HP serve these routes once upon a time?

I know US did Guaymas at one point with Dash-8s.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:17 am

USAirALB wrote:
Didn't US/HP serve these routes once upon a time?

I know US did Guaymas at one point with Dash-8s.

I don't believe so. AS has flown to LTO from LAX for a while now, but I think the last La Paz flight might have been on Aero California in the 2000s, again, to LAX.

That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:30 am

KLMatSJC wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Didn't US/HP serve these routes once upon a time?

I know US did Guaymas at one point with Dash-8s.

I don't believe so. AS has flown to LTO from LAX for a while now, but I think the last La Paz flight might have been on Aero California in the 2000s, again, to LAX.

That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.

I believe Aeromexico did PHX-LAP with DC9s in about 1998-1999.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:13 am

jmc1975 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
USAirALB wrote:
Didn't US/HP serve these routes once upon a time?

I know US did Guaymas at one point with Dash-8s.

I don't believe so. AS has flown to LTO from LAX for a while now, but I think the last La Paz flight might have been on Aero California in the 2000s, again, to LAX.

That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.

I believe Aeromexico did PHX-LAP with DC9s in about 1998-1999.

FWIW, the June 1999 OAG has Guadalajara, Guaymas, and Hermosillo with the DC-9-30 and Metroliner.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:57 pm

Didn’t American serve LaPaz with 727’s back in the late 70’s or early 80’s. I kind of have a vague memory of that !!!!!
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:41 pm

https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/c ... 16.article

Not sure if this was posted or not but looks like the proposal from AA & BA to give up certain slots from BOS, MIA, DFW and. PHL is put on hold until 2024 because of the pandemic according to UK and CMA
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:48 pm

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KLMatSJC wrote:
jmc1975 wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
I don't believe so. AS has flown to LTO from LAX for a while now, but I think the last La Paz flight might have been on Aero California in the 2000s, again, to LAX.

That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.

I believe Aeromexico did PHX-LAP with DC9s in about 1998-1999.

FWIW, the June 1999 OAG has Guadalajara, Guaymas, and Hermosillo with the DC-9-30 and Metroliner.


AS/AS* flew LAX-LAP from 2006 to 2013.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:54 pm

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That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.

Never understood the Guaymas flight and who the flight was catered to. Quite frankly I have never heard of the city until I saw it on the combined HP/US route map. I know the route lasted long enough past the retirements of the Dash-8s in PHX because it was eventually up-gauged to a CRJ before being discontinued.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:20 pm

USAirALB wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.

Never understood the Guaymas flight and who the flight was catered to. Quite frankly I have never heard of the city until I saw it on the combined HP/US route map. I know the route lasted long enough past the retirements of the Dash-8s in PHX because it was eventually up-gauged to a CRJ before being discontinued.


Few high end resorts including a Club Med back in the day. Area also offers extended condo rentals and plenty of water recreation options being on the Gulf of California.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 7:29 pm

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Bigant0408 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/crisis-spurs-competition-regulator-to-prolong-oneworld-transatlantic-pact/140216.article

Not sure if this was posted or not but looks like the proposal from AA & BA to give up certain slots from BOS, MIA, DFW and. PHL is put on hold until 2024 because of the pandemic according to UK and CMA

The proposal to give up slots is not put on hold. They already gave up slots in 2010. What this is saying is that arrangement will stay in place (it was to expire in 2020) and any new concessions that AA/IAG might have come up with to satisfy regulators will wait until the extension period is done. DL/VS get to keep using the slots that were given up in 2010 until 2022.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 9:44 pm

USAirALB wrote:
KLMatSJC wrote:
That Guaymas flight was actually around for quite a while.

Never understood the Guaymas flight and who the flight was catered to. Quite frankly I have never heard of the city until I saw it on the combined HP/US route map. I know the route lasted long enough past the retirements of the Dash-8s in PHX because it was eventually up-gauged to a CRJ before being discontinued.


Lot of good scuba diving in Guaymas, as well as golf and beach resorts. I flew there from Phoenix with a stop in Hermosillo on Arizona Airways in the early 90's. I flew back on AM from Guaymas to Tuscon and then to PHX on HP. Non-rev all the way...
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:20 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
Bigant0408 wrote:
https://www.flightglobal.com/airlines/crisis-spurs-competition-regulator-to-prolong-oneworld-transatlantic-pact/140216.article

Not sure if this was posted or not but looks like the proposal from AA & BA to give up certain slots from BOS, MIA, DFW and. PHL is put on hold until 2024 because of the pandemic according to UK and CMA

The proposal to give up slots is not put on hold. They already gave up slots in 2010. What this is saying is that arrangement will stay in place (it was to expire in 2020) and any new concessions that AA/IAG might have come up with to satisfy regulators will wait until the extension period is done. DL/VS get to keep using the slots that were given up in 2010 until 2022.


That’s what I meant to say I obviously didn’t post it correctly. Thanks for the clarification.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:14 am

Around 1990 HP did a Saturdays only 737 charter flight PHX-GYM for Club Med, later is was scheduled service by Mesa as America West Express. The international arrival terminal at the time is where the badging office is now between T3 and T2.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:02 am

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MAH4546 wrote:
N62NA wrote:

I don't think of JFK as an AA hub, though perhaps with the new jetBlue partnership. LAX, with the new Alaska partnership will be more of a "hub" too.


The JFK operation isn’t big but it’s still a hub in how it operates, though yes certainly nothing like Delta or JetBlue. Hi

AA is the largest airline at LAX. The AS partnership only strengthens that position.



I don't see it (JFK). PHL is a hub.

Also, being the largest airline at LAX doesn't necessarily mean that LAX is a hub for them. PHX is a hub.


They are both hubs. What we “see” is irrelevant. AA has hub operations there and calls them hubs. LAX is a major transit point for AA customers. Not sure what’s not to see.
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AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:43 pm

In this morning’s schedule change, AA added the following winter service from CLT:

BZN - Daily from December 17 - April 5, 737-800
JAC - Saturday only December 19 - April 3, A319
MTJ - Saturday only December 19 - January 2, A319
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 2:59 pm

Looks like AA ran CLT-MTJ during the 2017/2018 winter season. Nice to see it back as well as the new additions.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:00 pm

Nice adds. Surprised they don't fly CLT-EGE given their large presence at EGE.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:12 pm

JAC and BZN are nice additions, though I am surprised that BZN is being flown as a daily service. Traffic to BZN must really be up. I wouldn't be surprised to see it extended through the Summer season as well.

Not having service to EGE is interesting. US did CLT-EGE for several years with a 752 both before and after the HP merger IIRC. EGE seems like more of a logical destination than MTJ. IIRC MTJ did not perform that well and only lasted a couple of months.
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:17 pm

I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:27 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.


PHX is summer seasonal, I always found odd since all other routes operate in the winter
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:35 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.


PHX is summer seasonal, I always found odd since all other routes operate in the winter


It didn't operate this summer but it does look to be returning next summer 1x daily. Thanks.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:36 pm

stapleton wrote:
In this morning’s schedule change, AA added the following winter service from CLT:

BZN - Daily from December 17 - April 5, 737-800


Bookings to BZN are up yoy for December, I'd assume the same for JAC. These seem like nice, logical adds.

BA744PHX wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.


PHX is summer seasonal, I always found odd since all other routes operate in the winter


Yeah, you'd think they'd be able to run it in the winter too.
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:38 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.


PHX is summer seasonal, I always found odd since all other routes operate in the winter


It didn't operate this summer but it does look to be returning next summer 1x daily. Thanks.


Kind of obvious why it didn't operate this summer
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:39 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.


PHX is summer seasonal, I always found odd since all other routes operate in the winter


Isn't JAC mainly know for its skiing?
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:39 pm

DLASFlyer wrote:
I am Jackson Hole based and it is really impressive to see how much AA has grown here. From one seasonal DFW flight a day a few years ago to multiple daily DFW year round plus LAX, ORD, LGA, BOS and CLT. I would not be surprised to see PHX-JAC return too.


Looking further, it appears AA dropped the JAC-BOS that had been scheduled for the first time this winter.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:44 pm

JAC is popular for skiing. It actually is even more popular in summer as the gateway to Grand Teton NP and Yellowstone. Plus massive amount of millionaire billionaires playing wanna be ranchers.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:45 pm

The Icon Pass is increasing drawing more destination skiers into Jackson Hole and Big Sky. It has changed the skiing dynamics in both of these resorts over the past few years.
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:45 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
JAC is popular for skiing. It actually is even more popular in summer as the gateway to Grand Teton NP and Yellowstone. Plus massive amount of millionaire billionaires playing wanna be ranchers.


Including Harrison Ford.

I hope AS makes the SEA-JAC route year-round.
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:46 pm

A lot of the big ski markets already have nonstop service to EGE. Plus some of the service is tied to the community air service agreements and to some degree revenue guarantees.
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 3:50 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
DLASFlyer wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:

Kind of obvious why it didn't operate this summer


Jackson Hole has been absolutely slammed with visitors this summer. Grand Teton National Park, where JAC is located, had its second busiest August ever, behind only the solar eclipse year 2017.
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:09 pm

stapleton wrote:

Looking further, it appears AA dropped the JAC-BOS that had been scheduled for the first time this winter.


Dang, was looking forward to that route. Give it a few weeks and JetBlue will pick it up :spin:
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 20, 2020 8:00 pm

At the moment only

PHX-LAP is loaded at 3 weekly from December 18th - April 3rd, resumes June 3rd for the summer
DFW-LAP Saturday only, from December 19th until April 3rd, resumes June 4 for the summer.

Nothing yet on LTO , however I assume it will be a similar schedule

I know this maybe a bad reference using google flights, but this morning both PHX-LTO & GYM opened as a non stop options even though no flights are loaded, I wonder if AA will resume GYM,
https://www.google.com/flights?hl=en&gl ... 1;t:f;tt:o

Would anyone know if CUU would come back to PHX? It was launched last December along with RAP, COS & ICT who are still not loaded
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:19 pm

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A lot of the big ski markets already have nonstop service to EGE. Plus some of the service is tied to the community air service agreements and to some degree revenue guarantees.


Vail Resorts subsidizes alot of AA's service at EGE. I would not be surprised if Vail Resorts chose a different carrier in the future as AA has had to greatly reduce lift due the retirement of its 757 fleet. Going from 180+ seats on every flight to 128 can't make the resorts happy especially with the premium cabins downsized from 24 to 8.
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:35 pm

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Vail Resorts subsidizes alot of AA's service at EGE.


Could you outline how Vail Resorts does that, please?
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:38 pm

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usflyer msp wrote:

Vail Resorts subsidizes alot of AA's service at EGE.


Could you outline how Vail Resorts does that, please?


https://mountaintownnews.net/2014/01/19 ... t-flights/

"Vail Resorts, owner of Vail Mountain and Beaver Creek, the two single greatest beneficiaries of winter-time flights, has provided the financial wherewithal for winter flights, in some years paying out up to $2 million in revenue guarantees. The company in recent years has not publicly disclosed its financial commitment. Some people close to the situation think revenue guarantees are paid for two or so of the dozens of flights into the airport."
 
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:46 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

Vail Resorts subsidizes alot of AA's service at EGE.


Could you outline how Vail Resorts does that, please?


There’s a revenue guarantee but the reality is it really isn’t needed anymore except probably PHL and PHX.
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Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:47 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
A lot of the big ski markets already have nonstop service to EGE. Plus some of the service is tied to the community air service agreements and to some degree revenue guarantees.


Vail Resorts subsidizes alot of AA's service at EGE. I would not be surprised if Vail Resorts chose a different carrier in the future as AA has had to greatly reduce lift due the retirement of its 757 fleet. Going from 180+ seats on every flight to 128 can't make the resorts happy especially with the premium cabins downsized from 24 to 8.


The routes largely are self sustained. AA would operate without the revenue guarantee then there would be overcapacity. Vail’s three largest local markets are New York, Miami and Dallas. And I think LA and Chicago are four and five. AA will fly them regardless. There’s multiple frequencies as is to Dallas and if really needed they can throw a second flight a few days a week to Miami, the market is big enough.

AA is also important because it feeds Vail’s largest international market: Brazil. Brazilians love Vail.
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 9:57 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:

Vail Resorts subsidizes alot of AA's service at EGE.


Could you outline how Vail Resorts does that, please?


https://mountaintownnews.net/2014/01/19 ... t-flights/

"Vail Resorts, owner of Vail Mountain and Beaver Creek, the two single greatest beneficiaries of winter-time flights, has provided the financial wherewithal for winter flights, in some years paying out up to $2 million in revenue guarantees. The company in recent years has not publicly disclosed its financial commitment. Some people close to the situation think revenue guarantees are paid for two or so of the dozens of flights into the airport."


Thanks for citing that. It dates to 2014.

Even if they still maintain a revenue guarantee it doesn't mean funds are paid, not if passenger counts and fares are healthy.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:20 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
usflyer msp wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:

Could you outline how Vail Resorts does that, please?


https://mountaintownnews.net/2014/01/19 ... t-flights/

"Vail Resorts, owner of Vail Mountain and Beaver Creek, the two single greatest beneficiaries of winter-time flights, has provided the financial wherewithal for winter flights, in some years paying out up to $2 million in revenue guarantees. The company in recent years has not publicly disclosed its financial commitment. Some people close to the situation think revenue guarantees are paid for two or so of the dozens of flights into the airport."


Thanks for citing that. It dates to 2014.

Even if they still maintain a revenue guarantee it doesn't mean funds are paid, not if passenger counts and fares are healthy.


It’s fairly well known all these major resorts in the US have MRGs. They can be structured in such a way where even if pax counts are healthy, the resort is still paying them out. Places like MTJ and HDN would have nowhere near the amount of service they do without them.
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Sun Sep 20, 2020 10:24 pm

Don't assume all new service to ski towns involves MRGs. The Jackson Hole Air Improvement Resources Board did not even know about Alaska Airlines' three new routes before they were announced.
https://www.jhnewsandguide.com/news/bus ... c7b9b.html
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 21, 2020 12:22 pm

DFW-LIM, JFK-GRU/EZE, MIA-GIG delayed from late-October to mid-December.

CLT-BZN/MTJ/JAC added (noted by other thread)

DFW-SAL brought forward from June 2021 to November 4, 2020

DFW-LTO is 1x weekly, PHX-LTO 4x weekly.

BOS-JAC cut (never began).

https://crankyflier.com/2020/09/21/more ... ew-routes/
 
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Re: AA adds CLT - BZN, JAC, MTJ

Tue Sep 22, 2020 12:12 am

    PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
    The Icon Pass is increasing drawing more destination skiers into Jackson Hole and Big Sky. It has changed the skiing dynamics in both of these resorts over the past few years.

    And the Epic pass is causing people like myself to continually fly to BZN to ski the likes of Big Sky because back here there is no reasonable prices pass anymore in central PA since becoming ‘Epic’. The 5 day IKON option and pre and post season days included blows the Epic pass away for me.
    While at MDT we have more options than before, this will help smaller cities that might only have service to CLT and PHL have one stop options.
     
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    Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

    Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:41 am

    MAH4546 wrote:
    N62NA wrote:
    MAH4546 wrote:

    The JFK operation isn’t big but it’s still a hub in how it operates, though yes certainly nothing like Delta or JetBlue. Hi

    AA is the largest airline at LAX. The AS partnership only strengthens that position.



    I don't see it (JFK). PHL is a hub.

    Also, being the largest airline at LAX doesn't necessarily mean that LAX is a hub for them. PHX is a hub.


    They are both hubs. What we “see” is irrelevant. AA has hub operations there and calls them hubs. LAX is a major transit point for AA customers. Not sure what’s not to see.


    Are you purposely being obtuse?

    So then, how many people need to connect at an airport on the same airline for it to be a "hub" airport?
     
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    Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

    Tue Sep 22, 2020 5:33 am

    N62NA wrote:
    MAH4546 wrote:
    N62NA wrote:


    I don't see it (JFK). PHL is a hub.

    Also, being the largest airline at LAX doesn't necessarily mean that LAX is a hub for them. PHX is a hub.


    They are both hubs. What we “see” is irrelevant. AA has hub operations there and calls them hubs. LAX is a major transit point for AA customers. Not sure what’s not to see.


    Are you purposely being obtuse?

    So then, how many people need to connect at an airport on the same airline for it to be a "hub" airport?


    If an airline calls it a hub it’s a hub. That’s so insanely simple.
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    Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

    Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:06 pm

    MAH4546 wrote:
    N62NA wrote:
    MAH4546 wrote:

    They are both hubs. What we “see” is irrelevant. AA has hub operations there and calls them hubs. LAX is a major transit point for AA customers. Not sure what’s not to see.


    Are you purposely being obtuse?

    So then, how many people need to connect at an airport on the same airline for it to be a "hub" airport?


    If an airline calls it a hub it’s a hub. That’s so insanely simple.


    OK, sure.
     
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    Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

    Wed Sep 23, 2020 12:16 am

    Ishrion wrote:
    Cointrin330 wrote:

    AA on LAX-HKG isn't competition for Cathay Pacific. It's a code-share. They are both part of the same alliance and CX's product is generally better than AA's, although the business class seats on their 77Ws are the same. The soft product on CX is what makes it a better choice. AA will likely not resume any LAX-China and HKG services and just keep HND, and focus on SYD, AKL, and eventually, MEL and CHC, and maybe BNE.


    Needing clarification on the difference between a codeshare and joint venture:

    Aren't two airlines operating the same route competing against each other despite a codeshare? They can only sell seats on each others' flights but still compete for passengers?

    In contrast, a joint venture allows airlines to essentially become one airline and eliminate competition? They can coordinate schedules, share revenue, etc.


    Your understanding is correct.
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    Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

    Wed Sep 23, 2020 5:08 am

    N62NA wrote:
    MAH4546 wrote:
    N62NA wrote:

    Are you purposely being obtuse?

    So then, how many people need to connect at an airport on the same airline for it to be a "hub" airport?


    If an airline calls it a hub it’s a hub. That’s so insanely simple.


    OK, sure.


    I think the point is that it doesn't matter whether someone on A.net wants to call an airport a hub or not based on their own criteria or their own opinion of how many flights or connecting markets an airport needs to be defined as a hub.

    Whatever American Airlines' own definition is—based on market importance, feed and connecting flows between particular markets, operational structure and staffing, mechanical and maintenance operations, cargo, customer service functions, and whatever else—they consider JFK a hub.

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