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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:21 pm

RAM787 wrote:
Any Idea if AA will ever launch the intended PHL-CMN or has that been totally scrapped?


I wouldn't say it's totally scrapped. They're likely waiting on the A321XLR in 2023 after retiring the 757.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:22 pm

RAM787 wrote:
Any Idea if AA will ever launch the intended PHL-CMN or has that been totally scrapped?

My guess would be they would wait until 2023 or 2024 to launch the route only pandemic is over and the A321 XLR arrive. TATL routes 2021 seems like they are on thin ice at this point.
Initially the route was rescheduled for 2021. Now it's unknown. AA also retired a bunch of aircrafts so I don't see this coming around anytime soon. Again this is just my opinion
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:18 pm

Ishrion wrote:
DFW-PVG resumes November 8 with a stopover in ICN.

Flights are 1x weekly.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... na-return/

I guess China and the U.S. agreed on increasing frequencies to at least 9x weekly?


Actually not accurate. Flights are 2x on Sunday/Wednesday from DFW in December. Once January hits, they are actually scheduled daily after you get through New Years.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:50 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
American is cutting 100,000 flights in December due to low demand. Things are ugly

https://www.dallasnews.com/business/air ... ow-demand/



That is the reality check this thread needs sadly


Indeed. I am surprised more restructuring changes have not yet been announced. They keep on anticipating a quick rebound in traffic which I don’t quite understand.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:49 am

aaexpdfw wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
DFW-PVG resumes November 8 with a stopover in ICN.

Flights are 1x weekly.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... na-return/

I guess China and the U.S. agreed on increasing frequencies to at least 9x weekly?


Actually not accurate. Flights are 2x on Sunday/Wednesday from DFW in December. Once January hits, they are actually scheduled daily after you get through New Years.

There’s no way those flights run daily in January. Schedules just have not been updated yet. They probably will be at the beginning of December.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:56 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
That means they will see first, business, and economy class seats?


No. Only on MIALAX do they sell each class separately. Other domestic 777W routes both first and business cabins sold as first class.


So if you buy first class, what determines if you'll get a first class seat or a business class seat? Is there much difference?
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Wed Nov 04, 2020 9:06 pm

Ziyulu wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Ziyulu wrote:
That means they will see first, business, and economy class seats?


No. Only on MIALAX do they sell each class separately. Other domestic 777W routes both first and business cabins sold as first class.


So if you buy first class, what determines if you'll get a first class seat or a business class seat? Is there much difference?


The first class seats are nicer and have more space, but both cabins are 1-2-1 configuration.

It's simply first come first serve as to who gets to pick them.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:24 pm

AA used to sell J as coach on a domestic 3 class flight but it seems lately now J is sold as domestic F. As indicated it's first come, first serve as to who gets the F seats. I'm assuming on the 77W it will be far more easier for PLTs and GLDs to upgrade given the number of J seats but they will now need to use stickers versus before when J was free to PLTs and free to GLDs at T-24. Assuming open seats.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 10:25 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
AA used to sell J as coach on a domestic 3 class flight (other than transcons) but it seems lately now J is sold as domestic F. As indicated it's first come, first serve as to who gets the F seats. I'm assuming on the 77W it will be far more easier for PLTs and GLDs to upgrade given the number of J seats but they will now need to use stickers versus before when J was free to PLTs and free to GLDs at T-24. Assuming open seats.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:57 am

Here is the breakdown of current AA service out of LAX, LGA, JFK, and DCA:
LAX - 4x CLT, 3x ORD, 9x DFW, 3x DEN, 1x HNL, 3x LAS, 4x MIA, 2x JFK, 4x PHL, 5x PHX, 1x PVR, 1x SLC, 3x SFO, 1x SJD, 1x SYD, 1x DCA (46 daily departures)

LGA - 2x BOS, 5x CLT, 3x ORD, 5x DFW, 5x MIA, 5x DCA (25 daily departures)

JFK - 1x CUN, 2x CLT, 1x LHR, 2x LAX, 2x MIA, 2x PHX, 1x SFO (11 daily departures)

DCA - 1x ALB, 1x BGR, 6x BOS, 1x CHS, 4x CLT, 3x ORD, 1x CMH, 1x DAY, 5x DFW, 1x DTW, 1x RSW, 1x VPS, 1x GRR, 1x IND, 1x EYW, 1x LAX, 1x MEM, 2x MIA, 1x MSP, 1x BNA, 1x MSY, 5x LGA, 1x ORF, 1x MCO, 1x PNS, 2x PHL, 1x PHX, 1x PWM, 1x PVD, 1x TPA, 1x PBI, 1x ILM (52 daily departures)

I have noticed that there are very few non-AA hub destinations left that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK, with BOS, CUN, LHR, and SFO being the only non-AA hub destinations that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK.

Is AA planning on resuming more non-hub nonstop routes out of LGA and JFK, or is AA planning on permanently dehubbing LGA and JFK?

AA still serves some non-AA hub destinations such as DEN, HNL, LAS, PVR, SLC, SFO, SJD, and SYD nonstop from LAX, even though AA is much smaller at LAX than was the case prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is AA planning on making permanent cuts at LAX? Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of LAX?

There are also some spokes that still have nonstop service out of DCA on AA, even though AA has significantly downsized DCA (but not to the extent of LGA, LAX, or JFK).

I had also previously mentioned that most of the destinations that AA was serving nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic have other nonstop options out of DCA, IAD, or BWI on UA, WN, NK, or G4.

Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of DCA, or is AA planning on permanently discontinuing some nonstop routes out of DCA?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Nov 12, 2020 1:59 am

jplatts wrote:
Here is the breakdown of current AA service out of LAX, LGA, JFK, and DCA:
LAX - 4x CLT, 3x ORD, 9x DFW, 3x DEN, 1x HNL, 3x LAS, 4x MIA, 2x JFK, 4x PHL, 5x PHX, 1x PVR, 1x SLC, 3x SFO, 1x SJD, 1x SYD, 1x DCA (46 daily departures)

LGA - 2x BOS, 5x CLT, 3x ORD, 5x DFW, 5x MIA, 5x DCA (25 daily departures)

JFK - 1x CUN, 2x CLT, 1x LHR, 2x LAX, 2x MIA, 2x PHX, 1x SFO (11 daily departures)

DCA - 1x ALB, 1x BGR, 6x BOS, 1x CHS, 4x CLT, 3x ORD, 1x CMH, 1x DAY, 5x DFW, 1x DTW, 1x RSW, 1x VPS, 1x GRR, 1x IND, 1x EYW, 1x LAX, 1x MEM, 2x MIA, 1x MSP, 1x BNA, 1x MSY, 5x LGA, 1x ORF, 1x MCO, 1x PNS, 2x PHL, 1x PHX, 1x PWM, 1x PVD, 1x TPA, 1x PBI, 1x ILM (52 daily departures)

I have noticed that there are very few non-AA hub destinations left that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK, with BOS, CUN, LHR, and SFO being the only non-AA hub destinations that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK.

Is AA planning on resuming more non-hub nonstop routes out of LGA and JFK, or is AA planning on permanently dehubbing LGA and JFK?

AA still serves some non-AA hub destinations such as DEN, HNL, LAS, PVR, SLC, SFO, SJD, and SYD nonstop from LAX, even though AA is much smaller at LAX than was the case prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is AA planning on making permanent cuts at LAX? Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of LAX?

There are also some spokes that still have nonstop service out of DCA on AA, even though AA has significantly downsized DCA (but not to the extent of LGA, LAX, or JFK).

I had also previously mentioned that most of the destinations that AA was serving nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic have other nonstop options out of DCA, IAD, or BWI on UA, WN, NK, or G4.

Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of DCA, or is AA planning on permanently discontinuing some nonstop routes out of DCA?


All your apquestions van be answered by looking at future schedules. AA is not planning on dehubbing anything,
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Nov 12, 2020 6:30 am

jplatts wrote:
Here is the breakdown of current AA service out of LAX, LGA, JFK, and DCA:
LAX - 4x CLT, 3x ORD, 9x DFW, 3x DEN, 1x HNL, 3x LAS, 4x MIA, 2x JFK, 4x PHL, 5x PHX, 1x PVR, 1x SLC, 3x SFO, 1x SJD, 1x SYD, 1x DCA (46 daily departures)

LGA - 2x BOS, 5x CLT, 3x ORD, 5x DFW, 5x MIA, 5x DCA (25 daily departures)

JFK - 1x CUN, 2x CLT, 1x LHR, 2x LAX, 2x MIA, 2x PHX, 1x SFO (11 daily departures)

DCA - 1x ALB, 1x BGR, 6x BOS, 1x CHS, 4x CLT, 3x ORD, 1x CMH, 1x DAY, 5x DFW, 1x DTW, 1x RSW, 1x VPS, 1x GRR, 1x IND, 1x EYW, 1x LAX, 1x MEM, 2x MIA, 1x MSP, 1x BNA, 1x MSY, 5x LGA, 1x ORF, 1x MCO, 1x PNS, 2x PHL, 1x PHX, 1x PWM, 1x PVD, 1x TPA, 1x PBI, 1x ILM (52 daily departures)

I have noticed that there are very few non-AA hub destinations left that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK, with BOS, CUN, LHR, and SFO being the only non-AA hub destinations that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK.

Is AA planning on resuming more non-hub nonstop routes out of LGA and JFK, or is AA planning on permanently dehubbing LGA and JFK?

AA still serves some non-AA hub destinations such as DEN, HNL, LAS, PVR, SLC, SFO, SJD, and SYD nonstop from LAX, even though AA is much smaller at LAX than was the case prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is AA planning on making permanent cuts at LAX? Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of LAX?

There are also some spokes that still have nonstop service out of DCA on AA, even though AA has significantly downsized DCA (but not to the extent of LGA, LAX, or JFK).

I had also previously mentioned that most of the destinations that AA was serving nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic have other nonstop options out of DCA, IAD, or BWI on UA, WN, NK, or G4.

Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of DCA, or is AA planning on permanently discontinuing some nonstop routes out of DCA?


A quick check on Google will tell you about a global pandemic that is gripping the world - and with it the American airline industry. It is pointless to look at emergency schedules and make assumptions about future flying. It's on par with "CDG has overtaken LHR as Europe's busiest airport" and "DL now the biggest carrier in XYZ".
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:23 am

Cointrin330 wrote:
The 47 772s are about 20 years old and were refurbished about 4 years ago.

Delta literally refitted their 777 fleet and then promptly retired them.
This isn't about how new seats are. It's about whether or not the airline ceases to exist.
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 12, 2020 8:36 am

ArcticSEA wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The 47 772s are about 20 years old and were refurbished about 4 years ago.

Delta literally refitted their 777 fleet and then promptly retired them.
This isn't about how new seats are. It's about whether or not the airline ceases to exist.


Delta had only 18 777 and new A350-900 waiting to replace them. Where are the 47 airplanes to replace the 47 AA 777-200ER ? The 787 fleet is replacement for the 767 and A330 fleets.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 12, 2020 12:46 pm

jfk777 wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
The 47 772s are about 20 years old and were refurbished about 4 years ago.

Delta literally refitted their 777 fleet and then promptly retired them.
This isn't about how new seats are. It's about whether or not the airline ceases to exist.


Delta had only 18 777 and new A350-900 waiting to replace them. Where are the 47 airplanes to replace the 47 AA 777-200ER ? The 787 fleet is replacement for the 767 and A330 fleets.


The AA 772 fleet is not all that old. The initial order was placed in 1997 and deliveries began in 1999 and stretched into 2002. The entire fleet was overhauled significantly, something AA did not do with the 767 fleet. I see some of AA's 772's eventually being replaced by 787-10s to maintain simplification, as well as some 787-9s from the next batch. It's quite possible AA will have to retire some of the 772s depending on how long the pandemic lasts.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Thu Nov 12, 2020 4:24 pm

jplatts wrote:
Is AA planning on resuming more non-hub nonstop routes out of LGA and JFK, or is AA planning on permanently dehubbing LGA and JFK?

AA still serves some non-AA hub destinations such as DEN, HNL, LAS, PVR, SLC, SFO, SJD, and SYD nonstop from LAX, even though AA is much smaller at LAX than was the case prior to the COVID-19 pandemic.

Is AA planning on making permanent cuts at LAX? Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of LAX?

There are also some spokes that still have nonstop service out of DCA on AA, even though AA has significantly downsized DCA (but not to the extent of LGA, LAX, or JFK).

I had also previously mentioned that most of the destinations that AA was serving nonstop from DCA prior to the COVID-19 pandemic have other nonstop options out of DCA, IAD, or BWI on UA, WN, NK, or G4.

Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of DCA, or is AA planning on permanently discontinuing some nonstop routes out of DCA?


One has to take into consideration all of the aircraft retirements that AA announced. Given what the fleet size will be post-retirement of these planes, AA will not be able to operate the same sized network as they did in the past. There will be cuts, the big question is where and by how much.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:05 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:
ArcticSEA wrote:
Delta literally refitted their 777 fleet and then promptly retired them.
This isn't about how new seats are. It's about whether or not the airline ceases to exist.


Delta had only 18 777 and new A350-900 waiting to replace them. Where are the 47 airplanes to replace the 47 AA 777-200ER ? The 787 fleet is replacement for the 767 and A330 fleets.


The AA 772 fleet is not all that old. The initial order was placed in 1997 and deliveries began in 1999 and stretched into 2002. The entire fleet was overhauled significantly, something AA did not do with the 767 fleet. I see some of AA's 772's eventually being replaced by 787-10s to maintain simplification, as well as some 787-9s from the next batch. It's quite possible AA will have to retire some of the 772s depending on how long the pandemic lasts.



AA had stated, can't remember the specifics of where, but remember the older 772s were to be replaced by 789s
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:15 pm

Rookie87 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
jfk777 wrote:

Delta had only 18 777 and new A350-900 waiting to replace them. Where are the 47 airplanes to replace the 47 AA 777-200ER ? The 787 fleet is replacement for the 767 and A330 fleets.


The AA 772 fleet is not all that old. The initial order was placed in 1997 and deliveries began in 1999 and stretched into 2002. The entire fleet was overhauled significantly, something AA did not do with the 767 fleet. I see some of AA's 772's eventually being replaced by 787-10s to maintain simplification, as well as some 787-9s from the next batch. It's quite possible AA will have to retire some of the 772s depending on how long the pandemic lasts.



AA had stated, can't remember the specifics of where, but remember the older 772s were to be replaced by 789s


Here: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

American Airlines today announced an order for 47 new Boeing 787 widebody aircraft consisting of 22 787-8s scheduled to begin arriving in 2020 and 25 787-9s scheduled to begin arriving in 2023. The 787-8s will replace American’s Boeing 767-300s, while later 787-9 deliveries will replace Airbus A330-300s and older 777-200 widebody aircraft.
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Thu Nov 12, 2020 9:17 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Rookie87 wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:

The AA 772 fleet is not all that old. The initial order was placed in 1997 and deliveries began in 1999 and stretched into 2002. The entire fleet was overhauled significantly, something AA did not do with the 767 fleet. I see some of AA's 772's eventually being replaced by 787-10s to maintain simplification, as well as some 787-9s from the next batch. It's quite possible AA will have to retire some of the 772s depending on how long the pandemic lasts.



AA had stated, can't remember the specifics of where, but remember the older 772s were to be replaced by 789s


Here: http://news.aa.com/news/news-details/20 ... fault.aspx

American Airlines today announced an order for 47 new Boeing 787 widebody aircraft consisting of 22 787-8s scheduled to begin arriving in 2020 and 25 787-9s scheduled to begin arriving in 2023. The 787-8s will replace American’s Boeing 767-300s, while later 787-9 deliveries will replace Airbus A330-300s and older 777-200 widebody aircraft.


Thanks. Indeed....The 787-9 can perform all the missions the 772 does, and at lower cost. If demand does pick up quickly, I could see AA modifying the order and adding some 787-10's but they do not necessarily need the -10s.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 5:59 am

jplatts wrote:
I have noticed that there are very few non-AA hub destinations left that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK, with BOS, CUN, LHR, and SFO being the only non-AA hub destinations that AA still serves nonstop from LGA or JFK.

Is AA planning on resuming more non-hub nonstop routes out of LGA and JFK, or is AA planning on permanently dehubbing LGA and JFK?


Good question. I think it has been some quite some time since AA has operated routes like JFK-SAN. Others, like JFK/LGA-DTW, may never have the same demand that they did before the pandemic. In some cases, is AA better off codesharing with B6 rather than attempting to resume its own services that may not have flown for months, or in some cases, years?!?

jplatts wrote:
Is AA planning on making permanent cuts at LAX? Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of LAX?


I'm wondering this too. Is it really worth slugging it out on LAX-ATL, LAX-IAH or LAX-MSY anymore? Even routes like LAX-BDL and LAX-RDU may no longer be worthwhile, what with B6 having added competing services recently. I'm also not sure if folks headed to places like PDX, SMF and YVR want to endure bus rides to/from the Eagle's Nest when competitors offer service from much more accessible LAX gate areas. If enough AA service could be cut to squeeze American Eagle operations into the airline's TBIT-Terminal 4-Terminal 5 footprint, it would certainly make for a much better passenger experience. Maybe those long, thin flights to the likes of BDL, BNA, CMH, IND, MSY, RDU and STL can be permanently discontinued, allowing key regional markets to operate from AA's much better and closer facilities. Then again, does nonstop service to markets like ABQ, RNO and TUS need to come back, either? Those places could be served via PHX, or on AS from Terminal 6...

jplatts wrote:
Is AA planning on resuming nonstop service to additional destinations out of DCA, or is AA planning on permanently discontinuing some nonstop routes out of DCA?


DCA was a gold mine for AA before the pandemic. It is very encouraging to see that a diverse array of destinations including ALB, BGR, GRR, ILM, MEM, MSP and RSW have already been resumed. AA and its predecessors have invested a tremendous amount of money in slots as well as terminal facilities at DCA. Even if AA did elect to surrender real estate in LA and/or NYC, I can't see them walking away from all those DCA investments now.. can you?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:29 am

SurfandSnow wrote:

I'm wondering this too. Is it really worth slugging it out on LAX-ATL, LAX-IAH or LAX-MSY anymore? Even routes like LAX-BDL and LAX-RDU may no longer be worthwhile, what with B6 having added competing services recently. I'm also not sure if folks headed to places like PDX, SMF and YVR want to endure bus rides to/from the Eagle's Nest when competitors offer service from much more accessible LAX gate areas. If enough AA service could be cut to squeeze American Eagle operations into the airline's TBIT-Terminal 4-Terminal 5 footprint, it would certainly make for a much better passenger experience. Maybe those long, thin flights to the likes of BDL, BNA, CMH, IND, MSY, RDU and STL can be permanently discontinued, allowing key regional markets to operate from AA's much better and closer facilities. Then again, does nonstop service to markets like ABQ, RNO and TUS need to come back, either? Those places could be served via PHX, or on AS from Terminal 6...


AA doesn’t “slug it out” on LAXIAH nor LAXATL, those perform well for AA. And the Eagle’s Nest is gone.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:17 pm

Looking at their current schedule at LAX, they are serving all hub cities, plus SLC, DEN, Hawaii, SYD, Leisure Mexico, SFO, and LAS. Those are all safe.

ATL/AUS/BOS/IAH/BNA/MCO/STL/SEA are probably all safe for mainline as well.

IAD is a toss-up. IIRC, AA has (or had) the GSA contract for WAS-LAX but I don't know if that is solely for DCA. IAD-LAX has a superior schedule than DCA (late evening departure from IAD as well as a redeye from LAX inbound to Dulles). Yet every time I have taken it, the flight is sparsely packed, even in F. I've had friends that are Gold gotten an upgrade to F on the late evening IAD-LAX flight, something that would never happen on DCA-LAX. I know that they were supposed to up-guage the redeye/morning IAD-LAX flight this summer to a L-AA A321. My guess is they likely keep IAD-LAX due to the historic strength of AA in the WAS market and the need to maintain frequency on WAS-LAX. The SV Line opening next year should help somewhat.

ABQ/XNA/PDX/RNO/SMF/SJC/TUS are likely safe for Eagle as well.

I frankly don't see CMH/IND/MSY/OMA/BDL/OKC/TUL/SAF returning.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 2:31 pm

USAirALB wrote:
Looking at their current schedule at LAX, they are serving all hub cities, plus SLC, DEN, Hawaii, SYD, Leisure Mexico, SFO, and LAS. Those are all safe.

ATL/AUS/BOS/IAH/BNA/MCO/STL/SEA are probably all safe for mainline as well.

IAD is a toss-up. IIRC, AA has (or had) the GSA contract for WAS-LAX but I don't know if that is solely for DCA. IAD-LAX has a superior schedule than DCA (late evening departure from IAD as well as a redeye from LAX inbound to Dulles). Yet every time I have taken it, the flight is sparsely packed, even in F. I've had friends that are Gold gotten an upgrade to F on the late evening IAD-LAX flight, something that would never happen on DCA-LAX. I know that they were supposed to up-guage the redeye/morning IAD-LAX flight this summer to a L-AA A321. My guess is they likely keep IAD-LAX due to the historic strength of AA in the WAS market and the need to maintain frequency on WAS-LAX. The SV Line opening next year should help somewhat.

ABQ/XNA/PDX/RNO/SMF/SJC/TUS are likely safe for Eagle as well.

I frankly don't see CMH/IND/MSY/OMA/BDL/OKC/TUL/SAF returning.


LAX-OKC has been a somewhat strong route for AA over the years (as far as small-med markets go). I believe they have been in that market for close to a decade, sometimes as many as 3x a day. It was also a mainline route for a brief period of time before COVID hit.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:17 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
the Eagle’s Nest is gone.


It is?!? That's wonderful news! Both O&D and connecting pax will appreciate its closure.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:20 pm

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the Eagle’s Nest is gone.


It is?!? That's wonderful news! Both O&D and connecting pax will appreciate its closure.


Where are American's CRJ-700s departing out of now?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 6:26 pm

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Looking at their current schedule at LAX, they are serving all hub cities, plus SLC, DEN, Hawaii, SYD, Leisure Mexico, SFO, and LAS. Those are all safe.

ATL/AUS/BOS/IAH/BNA/MCO/STL/SEA are probably all safe for mainline as well.

IAD is a toss-up. IIRC, AA has (or had) the GSA contract for WAS-LAX but I don't know if that is solely for DCA. IAD-LAX has a superior schedule than DCA (late evening departure from IAD as well as a redeye from LAX inbound to Dulles). Yet every time I have taken it, the flight is sparsely packed, even in F. I've had friends that are Gold gotten an upgrade to F on the late evening IAD-LAX flight, something that would never happen on DCA-LAX. I know that they were supposed to up-guage the redeye/morning IAD-LAX flight this summer to a L-AA A321. My guess is they likely keep IAD-LAX due to the historic strength of AA in the WAS market and the need to maintain frequency on WAS-LAX. The SV Line opening next year should help somewhat.

ABQ/XNA/PDX/RNO/SMF/SJC/TUS are likely safe for Eagle as well.

I frankly don't see CMH/IND/MSY/OMA/BDL/OKC/TUL/SAF returning.


LAX-OKC has been a somewhat strong route for AA over the years (as far as small-med markets go). I believe they have been in that market for close to a decade, sometimes as many as 3x a day. It was also a mainline route for a brief period of time before COVID hit.


Yeah, I have the profitability data on some of the LAX routes, OMA/OKC/TUL/XNA/TUS performed well.

BDL-LAX was dropped pre-COVID

The really bad routes were pretty intuitive: LAX-IAH/SLC/MCO/DEN/SDF/e.t.c, mostly routes that were hyper-competitive or on a Hub-Hub route of a competitor
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:21 pm

I thought SDF was already dropped, and that BDL was just a seasonal suspension not a total suspension. It still is showing in the schedule for next summer.

I’m not doubting the data you have access to, but seeing as AA is still operating both DEN and SLC during COVID, they clearly see some sort of strategic value in keeping those routes going. Ditto for MCO. I know it isn’t operating now, but I always saw LAX-MCO as a route that every carrier *had* to be on.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:28 pm

The part that's hard to believe is how long AA has decided to not operate BOS-LAX. I assume both MCO and BOS will be back, but they are definitely suspending these hyper competitive routes a lot longer than their competitors.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 8:31 pm

Ishrion wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
the Eagle’s Nest is gone.


It is?!? That's wonderful news! Both O&D and connecting pax will appreciate its closure.


Where are American's CRJ-700s departing out of now?


OH CR7s are mostly centered around CLT and I know OO operates CR7s out of DFW
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:06 pm

JohanTally wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
SurfandSnow wrote:

It is?!? That's wonderful news! Both O&D and connecting pax will appreciate its closure.


Where are American's CRJ-700s departing out of now?


OH CR7s are mostly centered around CLT and I know OO operates CR7s out of DFW


I mean with Eagle's Nest closing, which gates are American's CRJ-700s out of LAX departing from?
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 9:26 pm

tphuang wrote:
The part that's hard to believe is how long AA has decided to not operate BOS-LAX. I assume both MCO and BOS will be back, but they are definitely suspending these hyper competitive routes a lot longer than their competitors.


These routes are also easy to flow over Chicago and Dallas. Unlike say Denver and Salt Lake City.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:11 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
The part that's hard to believe is how long AA has decided to not operate BOS-LAX. I assume both MCO and BOS will be back, but they are definitely suspending these hyper competitive routes a lot longer than their competitors.


These routes are also easy to flow over Chicago and Dallas. Unlike say Denver and Salt Lake City.


Yet, UA with smaller presence in both BOS & LAX is still operating this route this month. And DL is running as many as 3x daily.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:16 pm

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
The part that's hard to believe is how long AA has decided to not operate BOS-LAX. I assume both MCO and BOS will be back, but they are definitely suspending these hyper competitive routes a lot longer than their competitors.


These routes are also easy to flow over Chicago and Dallas. Unlike say Denver and Salt Lake City.


Yet, UA with smaller presence in both BOS & LAX is still operating this route this month. And DL is running as many as 3x daily.


What difference does it make, whether an airline is or isn't operating a route in this environment? Genuine question....I hardly see it as indicative of anything long-term
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:21 pm

I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:33 pm

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I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.


They used to fly it 2-3 daily using B757. Then B757 is gone, the route discontinued with B738 flying for a while. The route was cancelled when AA put focus on JFK profitability. I guess this route did not bring enough money for AA. Plus AA funnel more passengers on hub routes (via CLT, ORD etc.). I hope this route returns one day.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:33 pm

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What difference does it make, whether an airline is or isn't operating a route in this environment? Genuine question....I hardly see it as indicative of anything long-term


I think what airlines are operating and prioritizing right now is as much of an indication of what they will likely operate post pandemic as what they were operating pre-pandemic. I expect to see some pretty dramatic network changes post pandemic vs pre-pandemic. For example, all the shuttle stuff in northeast have barely any frequencies now. Even when corporate traffic returns in a meaningful way, I think the market has fundamentally changed. I think we are likely to see permanent strategy changes.

Just some recent examples:
- WN shifting more to hub/spoke model
- JetBlue shifting focus away from Boston to NYC


AmericanAir88 wrote:
I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.

LAS, similar to SEA and SAN, got hammered once mint entered those markets.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:50 pm

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
The part that's hard to believe is how long AA has decided to not operate BOS-LAX. I assume both MCO and BOS will be back, but they are definitely suspending these hyper competitive routes a lot longer than their competitors.


These routes are also easy to flow over Chicago and Dallas. Unlike say Denver and Salt Lake City.


Yet, UA with smaller presence in both BOS & LAX is still operating this route this month. And DL is running as many as 3x daily.


United is only operating LAXBOS on select dates for Thanksgiving holiday travel (AA is doing the same thing).

Delta has taken advantage of others airlines pullback at LAX and running a stronger network at the moment.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:52 pm

chonetsao wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.


They used to fly it 2-3 daily using B757. Then B757 is gone, the route discontinued with B738 flying for a while. The route was cancelled when AA put focus on JFK profitability. I guess this route did not bring enough money for AA. Plus AA funnel more passengers on hub routes (via CLT, ORD etc.). I hope this route returns one day.


While AA is not currently flying JFKLAS, the route is not discontinued and is in AA's future schedules.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Fri Nov 13, 2020 11:52 pm

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
What difference does it make, whether an airline is or isn't operating a route in this environment? Genuine question....I hardly see it as indicative of anything long-term


I think what airlines are operating and prioritizing right now is as much of an indication of what they will likely operate post pandemic as what they were operating pre-pandemic. I expect to see some pretty dramatic network changes post pandemic vs pre-pandemic. For example, all the shuttle stuff in northeast have barely any frequencies now. Even when corporate traffic returns in a meaningful way, I think the market has fundamentally changed. I think we are likely to see permanent strategy changes.

Just some recent examples:
- WN shifting more to hub/spoke model
- JetBlue shifting focus away from Boston to NYC



UA at SFO, AA at DCA, DL at LGA, the list goes on, there are plenty of hubs that have been shrunk to fractions of their previous size. It doesn't really say anything about their long-term priorities or their long-term size at those airports, as each airline is fully committed to a large presence at those hubs....

TL;DR, Ex: the fact that AA is not operating STL-DCA right now, says nothing about the long-term future of that route....

WN had to operate more hub/spoke out of necessity, when demand comes back there is no reason to believe p2p would not return. (In fact, virtually every airline became more hub/spoke)
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:44 am

Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
What difference does it make, whether an airline is or isn't operating a route in this environment? Genuine question....I hardly see it as indicative of anything long-term


I think what airlines are operating and prioritizing right now is as much of an indication of what they will likely operate post pandemic as what they were operating pre-pandemic. I expect to see some pretty dramatic network changes post pandemic vs pre-pandemic. For example, all the shuttle stuff in northeast have barely any frequencies now. Even when corporate traffic returns in a meaningful way, I think the market has fundamentally changed. I think we are likely to see permanent strategy changes.

Just some recent examples:
- WN shifting more to hub/spoke model
- JetBlue shifting focus away from Boston to NYC



UA at SFO, AA at DCA, DL at LGA, the list goes on, there are plenty of hubs that have been shrunk to fractions of their previous size. It doesn't really say anything about their long-term priorities or their long-term size at those airports, as each airline is fully committed to a large presence at those hubs....

TL;DR, Ex: the fact that AA is not operating STL-DCA right now, says nothing about the long-term future of that route....

WN had to operate more hub/spoke out of necessity, when demand comes back there is no reason to believe p2p would not return. (In fact, virtually every airline became more hub/spoke)


You obviously also have to factor in the overall demand in that airport. No one is likely to expand at SFO in near to medium term. Do I think AA at DCA and DL at LGA might have problems in medium term? Sure I do. If slot waivers go away and business demand does not come back, large slot holders will have big decision on hand. We will see what they chose to hold on to.

I think WN is becomimg more of a hub/spoke airline. That doesn't mean it won't operate P2P. To me, they are building up several large hubs: DEN, HOU, DAL, MDW, BWI, PHX and a few smaller ones like STL/BNA/OAK/ATL. I think reducing transcon flight in favor of connecting through middle of the country is not a short term move.

LAX has clearly climbed the ladder in important to AS in the past few months. That should be obvious.

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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:47 am

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

These routes are also easy to flow over Chicago and Dallas. Unlike say Denver and Salt Lake City.


Yet, UA with smaller presence in both BOS & LAX is still operating this route this month. And DL is running as many as 3x daily.


United is only operating LAXBOS on select dates for Thanksgiving holiday travel (AA is doing the same thing).

Delta has taken advantage of others airlines pullback at LAX and running a stronger network at the moment.


That's veritably not true. UA is operating 5x weekly on BOS-LAX for the remainder of this month.
https://www.google.com/flights?hl=en#fl ... 1;t:f;tt:o

I'm pretty sure they were also operating this much in October.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 2:41 am

tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

Yet, UA with smaller presence in both BOS & LAX is still operating this route this month. And DL is running as many as 3x daily.


United is only operating LAXBOS on select dates for Thanksgiving holiday travel (AA is doing the same thing).

Delta has taken advantage of others airlines pullback at LAX and running a stronger network at the moment.


That's veritably not true. UA is operating 5x weekly on BOS-LAX for the remainder of this month.
https://www.google.com/flights?hl=en#fl ... 1;t:f;tt:o

I'm pretty sure they were also operating this much in October.


That is veritably true. UA is running it right now for the holidays. It’s gone in December.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:27 am

chonetsao wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.


They used to fly it 2-3 daily using B757. Then B757 is gone, the route discontinued with B738 flying for a while. The route was cancelled when AA put focus on JFK profitability. I guess this route did not bring enough money for AA. Plus AA funnel more passengers on hub routes (via CLT, ORD etc.). I hope this route returns one day.


They flew it right up until covid. However before that I think it was 1x. I remember when it was 3x a day. A flight at 7am, a flight at 12:30, and a flight at 5:30.

Its been b738 for a while I think. I hope the route comes back. It was always full when I took it.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 3:40 am

MAH4546 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

United is only operating LAXBOS on select dates for Thanksgiving holiday travel (AA is doing the same thing).

Delta has taken advantage of others airlines pullback at LAX and running a stronger network at the moment.


That's veritably not true. UA is operating 5x weekly on BOS-LAX for the remainder of this month.
https://www.google.com/flights?hl=en#fl ... 1;t:f;tt:o

I'm pretty sure they were also operating this much in October.


That is veritably true. UA is running it right now for the holidays. It’s gone in December.

you said they are only running on select dates for Thanksving when they are clearly running it for most of November. Did you even look at the link I posted? If you do a dropdown in the calendar, you can see how many dates UA is running it in november.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:41 am

California, Oregon and Washington (state) just announced all travelers from outside their respective states are subject to 14 day quarantine.

https://ktla.com/news/california/califo ... -19-cases/

<i>Visitors and returning residents should practice self-quarantine for 14 days after arriving in California, limiting their interactions to people only in their immediate households to curb the spread of the virus, officials said.</i>

I wonder if AA is going to slash their rather ambitious December schedule of 3x 777 on MIA-LAX?
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:45 am

N62NA wrote:
California, Oregon and Washington (state) just announced all travelers from outside their respective states are subject to 14 day quarantine.

https://ktla.com/news/california/califo ... -19-cases/

<i>Visitors and returning residents should practice self-quarantine for 14 days after arriving in California, limiting their interactions to people only in their immediate households to curb the spread of the virus, officials said.</i>

I wonder if AA is going to slash their rather ambitious December schedule of 3x 777 on MIA-LAX?


It’s not mandatory.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:56 am

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Looking at their current schedule at LAX, they are serving all hub cities, plus SLC, DEN, Hawaii, SYD, Leisure Mexico, SFO, and LAS. Those are all safe.

ATL/AUS/BOS/IAH/BNA/MCO/STL/SEA are probably all safe for mainline as well.

IAD is a toss-up. IIRC, AA has (or had) the GSA contract for WAS-LAX but I don't know if that is solely for DCA. IAD-LAX has a superior schedule than DCA (late evening departure from IAD as well as a redeye from LAX inbound to Dulles). Yet every time I have taken it, the flight is sparsely packed, even in F. I've had friends that are Gold gotten an upgrade to F on the late evening IAD-LAX flight, something that would never happen on DCA-LAX. I know that they were supposed to up-guage the redeye/morning IAD-LAX flight this summer to a L-AA A321. My guess is they likely keep IAD-LAX due to the historic strength of AA in the WAS market and the need to maintain frequency on WAS-LAX. The SV Line opening next year should help somewhat.

ABQ/XNA/PDX/RNO/SMF/SJC/TUS are likely safe for Eagle as well.

I frankly don't see CMH/IND/MSY/OMA/BDL/OKC/TUL/SAF returning.


LAX-CMH was upped to twice daily last summer (2019).
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:12 pm

chonetsao wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.


They used to fly it 2-3 daily using B757. Then B757 is gone, the route discontinued with B738 flying for a while. The route was cancelled when AA put focus on JFK profitability. I guess this route did not bring enough money for AA. Plus AA funnel more passengers on hub routes (via CLT, ORD etc.). I hope this route returns one day.


JFK-LAS was mostly a 737 operation (737-800) and up to 2 times daily, not 3 and not usually on the 757 (it was a 757 service a long time ago). There is plenty of competition on JFK-LAS in terms of frequency (or was, before COVID) on B6 and DL. The 7M8 groundings forced AA to pull down some JFK flying and use the 737s on other routes.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 12:19 pm

AmericanAir88 wrote:
I wonder why AA will not fly routes like JFK-LAS? That route does very well. In every flight I have flown to vegas on all airlines during covid, they have all been packed.

JFK-LAS is always a solid flight to add.


AA dropped LAS, SAN, and SEA around the same time, in 2019, and it was then attributed to two things, the 737-MAX8 grounding, which required AA to shuffle 738s around the system, and all 3 routes were flown with a 738. Second, in July 2019, AA received permission from the DOT to suspend about 35-40 slots at JFK as the runway adjacent to T8 was undergoing repaving and other works, and had been closed. This is the runway known for the "canarsie" approach. The slot waivers were extended in early 2020 and as COVID19 took hold and New York effectively closed, AA reduced JFK from around 70-75 flights a day to around 15, which is where it has been more or less since. Right now it is all about saving money and reducing cash burn and preserving capital. NY had stringent rules for travelers entering the state, which were changed just 3 weeks ago. I suspect LAS will return as the industry recovers, and likely SAN will too. SEA is an open question. There is room for AA to operate it, but AS, as a oneworld partner, will likely be the one flying it and we can look to AS moving back to T8 eventually.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sat Nov 14, 2020 1:14 pm

tphuang wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
tphuang wrote:

I think what airlines are operating and prioritizing right now is as much of an indication of what they will likely operate post pandemic as what they were operating pre-pandemic. I expect to see some pretty dramatic network changes post pandemic vs pre-pandemic. For example, all the shuttle stuff in northeast have barely any frequencies now. Even when corporate traffic returns in a meaningful way, I think the market has fundamentally changed. I think we are likely to see permanent strategy changes.

Just some recent examples:
- WN shifting more to hub/spoke model
- JetBlue shifting focus away from Boston to NYC



UA at SFO, AA at DCA, DL at LGA, the list goes on, there are plenty of hubs that have been shrunk to fractions of their previous size. It doesn't really say anything about their long-term priorities or their long-term size at those airports, as each airline is fully committed to a large presence at those hubs....

TL;DR, Ex: the fact that AA is not operating STL-DCA right now, says nothing about the long-term future of that route....

WN had to operate more hub/spoke out of necessity, when demand comes back there is no reason to believe p2p would not return. (In fact, virtually every airline became more hub/spoke)


You obviously also have to factor in the overall demand in that airport. No one is likely to expand at SFO in near to medium term. Do I think AA at DCA and DL at LGA might have problems in medium term? Sure I do. If slot waivers go away and business demand does not come back, large slot holders will have big decision on hand. We will see what they chose to hold on to.

I think WN is becomimg more of a hub/spoke airline. That doesn't mean it won't operate P2P. To me, they are building up several large hubs: DEN, HOU, DAL, MDW, BWI, PHX and a few smaller ones like STL/BNA/OAK/ATL. I think reducing transcon flight in favor of connecting through middle of the country is not a short term move.

LAX has clearly climbed the ladder in important to AS in the past few months. That should be obvious.

Things are changing.


AA is not giving up DCA slots, so that's not even a discussion

Quite literally everything relating to WN & AS you mentioned, was happening pre-covid....
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