MAH4546 wrote:

Midwestindy wrote:

MIA: performing very well right now, probably some relativity to that statement

LAX: nearly all domestic routes will return as virus concerns ease, SYD/LHR/HND/AKL/*CHC & potentially still HKG are slated to stay.

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1337 ... 89/photo/1

I had also been hearing PVG might come back after all. We'll see, but wouldn't shock me.

Funny you are talking about LAX and MIA...

I wonder if people will be more interested when an airline announces Mint flights between those two tomorrow.

isp2 wrote:

I wonder if people will be more interested when an airline announces Mint flights between those two tomorrow.

Huh... If you say so.

Ishrion wrote:

isp2 wrote:

I wonder if people will be more interested when an airline announces Mint flights between those two tomorrow.

Huh... If you say so.

I haven't heard anything but I thought odd jetBlue still hasn't announced MIA during this recent market shift.

That said, quoted poster's history of reporting announcements of new service before they happen is pretty good.

I think LAX-HKG took a pretty hard hit with both COVID and the ongoing protests in the city-state essentially overlapping. There is a ton of premium demand on LAX-HKG and the traffic is definitely there. AA offered a superior schedule for a while as well. Until UA launched the second SFO-HKG flight, AA was the only US airline offering an overnight US-HKG flight...every HKG flight by a US carrier had a morning/afternoon departure. I definitely think it will return once COVID settles down.

Rumors are that there is a "major" international-route suspension(s) about to be announced.

I would assume that everything ex LAX is probably safe. I would assume everything at MIA is safe as well. CLT got most of their seasonal European routes cut already at the beginning of the pandemic leaving only MAD/DUB, but cutting those I don't think would be classified as "major". I can't see them cutting CLT-FRA/MUC. I would assume at this point JFK routes are probably safe as well.

If true, my guess is the announcement has something to do with either ORD or PHL.

AA is starting service to Harlingen TX KHRL from Chicago O’Hare on March 6th 2021 operating only on Saturdays, flights will be operated by SkyWest so I’m assuming CRJ7 o CRJ9 service.

ORD 09:05am HRL 12:50pm
HRL 02:00pm ORD 05:20pm

https://www.valleymorningstar.com/2020/ ... cagoohare/

Greetings!

xaapb wrote:

AA is starting service to Harlingen TX KHRL from Chicago O’Hare on March 6th 2021 operating only on Saturdays, flights will be operated by SkyWest so I’m assuming CRJ7 o CRJ9 service.

ORD 09:05am HRL 12:50pm
HRL 02:00pm ORD 05:20pm

https://www.valleymorningstar.com/2020/ ... cagoohare/

Greetings!

Through Memorial Day.

Also adding seasonal Saturday service DFWMLB and PHLHHH.

MAH4546 wrote:

xaapb wrote:

AA is starting service to Harlingen TX KHRL from Chicago O’Hare on March 6th 2021 operating only on Saturdays, flights will be operated by SkyWest so I’m assuming CRJ7 o CRJ9 service.

ORD 09:05am HRL 12:50pm
HRL 02:00pm ORD 05:20pm

https://www.valleymorningstar.com/2020/ ... cagoohare/

Greetings!

Through Memorial Day.

Also adding seasonal Saturday service DFWMLB and PHLHHH.

Didn't PHL-HHH launch this past summer? Or did it never get off the ground?

xaapb wrote:

AA is starting service to Harlingen TX KHRL from Chicago O’Hare on March 6th 2021 operating only on Saturdays, flights will be operated by SkyWest so I’m assuming CRJ7 o CRJ9 service.

They would know how many people from ORD are connecting in DFW, so maybe those people will self-select and stick to Saturday n/s.

Hinting at a possible March launch of CLT-HNL

https://twitter.com/xJonNYC/status/1339 ... 11298?s=19

I wouldn't be surprised.

The loads were fine when US ran it...the flight suffered from horrible performance on the 762s and frequently required a fuel stop in PHX or LAX. AA is currently the only US network carrier without nonstop service from one of their East Coast hubs, and there is a good amount of slack in the fleet at present, so why not.

USAirALB wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised.

The loads were fine when US ran it...the flight suffered from horrible performance on the 762s and frequently required a fuel stop in PHX or LAX. AA is currently the only US network carrier without nonstop service from one of their East Coast hubs, and there is a good amount of slack in the fleet at present, so why not.

I remember the 762 frequently stopping for fuel whenever the loads were on the higher side. Technically it wouldn't be a new route from a city pair standpoint but new using AA metal. If this were to happen I suspect CLT will have a drastic increase in the March flight schedule to better feed the route and the possible resumption of more TATL routes.

JohanTally wrote:

USAirALB wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised.

The loads were fine when US ran it...the flight suffered from horrible performance on the 762s and frequently required a fuel stop in PHX or LAX. AA is currently the only US network carrier without nonstop service from one of their East Coast hubs, and there is a good amount of slack in the fleet at present, so why not.

I remember the 762 frequently stopping for fuel whenever the loads were on the higher side. Technically it wouldn't be a new route from a city pair standpoint but new using AA metal. If this were to happen I suspect CLT will have a drastic increase in the March flight schedule to better feed the route and the possible resumption of more TATL routes.

Would this be a 772 add? Interesting how you brought up resumption’s. I was curious about which ones could ~possibly~ return in 2021.

CanadianRedneck wrote:

JohanTally wrote:

USAirALB wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised.

The loads were fine when US ran it...the flight suffered from horrible performance on the 762s and frequently required a fuel stop in PHX or LAX. AA is currently the only US network carrier without nonstop service from one of their East Coast hubs, and there is a good amount of slack in the fleet at present, so why not.

I remember the 762 frequently stopping for fuel whenever the loads were on the higher side. Technically it wouldn't be a new route from a city pair standpoint but new using AA metal. If this were to happen I suspect CLT will have a drastic increase in the March flight schedule to better feed the route and the possible resumption of more TATL routes.

Would this be a 772 add? Interesting how you brought up resumption’s. I was curious about which ones could ~possibly~ return in 2021.

Frankly I don't think any Summer-seasonal European route will be returning in 2021, for any US airline, from any US hub. I cannot see the traffic being there to justify the likes of CLT-MAD, ATL-VCE, ORD-ATH, PHL-EDI, etc.

CanadianRedneck wrote:

JohanTally wrote:

USAirALB wrote:

I wouldn't be surprised.

The loads were fine when US ran it...the flight suffered from horrible performance on the 762s and frequently required a fuel stop in PHX or LAX. AA is currently the only US network carrier without nonstop service from one of their East Coast hubs, and there is a good amount of slack in the fleet at present, so why not.

I remember the 762 frequently stopping for fuel whenever the loads were on the higher side. Technically it wouldn't be a new route from a city pair standpoint but new using AA metal. If this were to happen I suspect CLT will have a drastic increase in the March flight schedule to better feed the route and the possible resumption of more TATL routes.

Would this be a 772 add? Interesting how you brought up resumption’s. I was curious about which ones could ~possibly~ return in 2021.

I don't expect anything slightly resembling a normal TATL schedule but the most likely to return are CLT-LHR/FRA/MUC because those are not seasonal. Maybe one or two adds on top of that if the vaccine is widely available by April or May which is optimistic.

I wonder which happens first: BOS-LAX or BOS-LHR. Could be neither.

I’m also curious to see if IAD-LAX resumes.

JohanTally wrote:

CanadianRedneck wrote:

JohanTally wrote:

I remember the 762 frequently stopping for fuel whenever the loads were on the higher side. Technically it wouldn't be a new route from a city pair standpoint but new using AA metal. If this were to happen I suspect CLT will have a drastic increase in the March flight schedule to better feed the route and the possible resumption of more TATL routes.

Would this be a 772 add? Interesting how you brought up resumption’s. I was curious about which ones could ~possibly~ return in 2021.

I don't expect anything slightly resembling a normal TATL schedule but the most likely to return are CLT-LHR/FRA/MUC because those are not seasonal. Maybe one or two adds on top of that if the vaccine is widely available by April or May which is optimistic.

LHR will resume in January.

rjbesikof wrote:

JohanTally wrote:

CanadianRedneck wrote:

Would this be a 772 add? Interesting how you brought up resumption’s. I was curious about which ones could ~possibly~ return in 2021.

I don't expect anything slightly resembling a normal TATL schedule but the most likely to return are CLT-LHR/FRA/MUC because those are not seasonal. Maybe one or two adds on top of that if the vaccine is widely available by April or May which is optimistic.

LHR will resume in January.

LHR is scheduled to resume in January but is not guaranteed to resume. FRA and MUC are scheduled to resume in late March but could just be placeholders because the flight schedule has been drastically changing about a month out. I'm rooting for their resumption but cautiously optimistic.

Well, days after B6 announces MIA service, AA is answering with service of their own to B6 focus cities

It appears AA is also adding LGB-DFW, although not related

https://twitter.com/crankyflier/status/ ... 39776?s=20

I think those that claimed this AA/B6 partnership is a de facto merger can find something else to complain about. I believe LGB-DFW is to retaliate against WN launching LGB-DAL.

Looks like AA is also adding ANC-PHX. Interesting indeed.

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

According to Cranky Flyer, American is launching FLL-BOS/LAX/JFK and DFW-LGB

https://twitter.com/crankyflier/status/ ... 9233739776

These currently aren't open for booking, but they'll likely become available over the weekend.

JetBlue just announced MIA-BOS/JFK/LAX/EWR yesterday and here we are with American's "response". Southwest added DAL-LGB last week.

Additionally, PHX-ANC is coming back.

tphuang wrote:

Looks like AA is also adding ANC-PHX. Interesting indeed.

AA operated ANC-PHX last summer but cut the route when they announced DFW-FAI, ORD-ANC/FAI in late 2019.

Great to see it back, supposedly with the AS partnership. Although, AS just announced it would up ANC-PHX to year-round.

tphuang wrote:

I think those that claimed this AA/B6 partnership is a de facto merger can find something else to complain about. I believe LGB-DFW is to retaliate against WN launching LGB-DAL.

I agree. AA’s partnerships with both B6 and AS was always about offering their flyers as many options as possible. If they cover all the bases, some with other carriers equipment and staff, their loyalty program becomes even more valuable. I’ve said this so many times I can’t count, but AAdvantage is valuable because of the OW perks and all their partnerships. Toss in earn on B6 and AS along with any new routes that AA addS? At least to me, there’s no better program. And that translates into 11K in spend, all on AA, and 116k in miles in a down COVID year. And I’m a low low spend EP. I’d guess all their moves over the last few months might be attractive to *A and ST Flyers.

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

All 3 are a resumption of discontinued service. Yes, PAP and SJU were also served from FLL. Check in for PAP was down in baggage claim due to the amount and weight of luggage checked in.

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

Brickell305 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

The 4 daily 777s + A321 on LAX-MIA are currently only for the peak holiday season, just like the 4x daily 777s on DFW-MCO.

Right now, their January and February schedules are "finalized" and LAX-MIA is 2x 777s and 2x A321s.

It's unclear when the three FLL routes begin so we'll have to wait a bit and see what changes they make to the overall LAX to Florida capacity.

It just feels like AA/AS are much closer “friends” compared to AA/B6. These adds only add further credence to that belief.

Ishrion wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

The 4 daily 777s + A321 on LAX-MIA are currently only for the peak holiday season, just like the 4x daily 777s on DFW-MCO.

Right now, their January and February schedules are "finalized" and LAX-MIA is 2x 777s and 2x A321s.

It's unclear when the three FLL routes begin so we'll have to wait a bit and see what changes they make to the overall LAX to Florida capacity.

Noted.

tphuang wrote:

I think those that claimed this AA/B6 partnership is a de facto merger can find something else to complain about. I believe LGB-DFW is to retaliate against WN launching LGB-DAL.

Not exactly. So are you acknowledging that prior to this announcement, when de facto merger was claimed, that a de facto merger scenario existed?
American should take every opportunity not to make this seem like a de facto merger. They got to start somewhere.

kavok wrote:

It just feels like AA/AS are much closer “friends” compared to AA/B6. These adds only add further credence to that belief.

IMHO this is more about carriers trying alt metro airports:

- UA going back to JFK

- WN starting MIA, ORD and IAH

- B6 starting MIA

I don't know they'll see the yields they want but it's probably better than leaving hundreds of planes parked.

Deck the halls with boughs of holly... FLL LAx

But wait there is more.....AA is adding AUS-MCO?????

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local ... 7220f1cb73

AA is adding AUS-MCO....although Sat only

https://www.kvue.com/article/news/local ... 7220f1cb73

DFW-LGB is also a resumption as well, AA used to fly this in the Mid 2000's.

I thought AA/B6 were buddies now and B6 would handle the JFK/BOS domestic network? Can AA really do no better than these extremely saturated routes? Their ORD network is in shambles and in serious need of revitalization. But LCC dominated FLL is what they prioritize?

Off topic, but I wish Delta would make some moves. They've been stagnant this year; I don't recall them announcing anything since ATL-GEG/BOI. I guess they just have a different pandemic playbook, but it'd be nice to see them try something new and unexpected.

As for the adds, I've been predicted DFW-LGB for a while, especially since DFW-BUR was added. Also interesting to see FLL-JFK, given that JFK saw MCO dropped a year prior. B6 perhaps?
And what ever became of the AUS-SJC/BOS/SJD routes they announced before the pandemic? AUS-MCO is nice to see though.

maps4ltd wrote:

And what ever became of the AUS-SJC/BOS/SJD routes they announced before the pandemic? AUS-MCO is nice to see though.

AUS-SJD inaugurates tomorrow.

AUS-SJC/BOS begin on March 4.

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

This to me is interesting. FLL because of LCC/ULCC domination had become nothing more than a spoke for AA/UA/DL about a decade after being a focus city at some point for both AA and DL (and UA post CO merger toying with the idea) . Suddenly as previously FLL-centric LCC's invade MIA, network carriers are adding p2p routes again. AS as well adding several p2p routes from FLL.

Also interesting that AS has stuck to FLL and as I said above added new routes as well recently. Perhaps the ties with AA are deeper and they understand any move back into MIA will be seen as a hostile one by AA. B6 apparently did not quite comprehend this. So much for the implications that AA & B6 might be colluding. Clearly they are still fierce competitors.

Brickell305 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

AA actually flew FLL-CCS for about a year or so, just as the political situation was making things more difficult. I believe they may have briefly flown FLL-SJO also at one point.

tphuang wrote:

Looks like AA is also adding ANC-PHX. Interesting indeed.

Oh maybe scratch my earlier AS comment RE: staying out of MIA. Looks like AA is retaliating against AS also.

Antarius wrote:

Deck the halls with boughs of holly... FLL LAx

Ingenious!

maps4ltd wrote:

Off topic, but I wish Delta would make some moves. They've been stagnant this year; I don't recall them announcing anything since ATL-GEG/BOI. I guess they just have a different pandemic playbook, but it'd be nice to see them try something new and unexpected.

I think their premise is that if people don't think it's safe to fly what good are new routes with empty planes? I think Delta is waiting it out. The Delta Pandemic Playbook reads: get leaner, more efficient, wait, wait, waaaaait....wait for it.....Pounce!

Nice to see FLL-LAX back. IIRC it might have been flown twice daily with 752s at one point.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

AA actually flew FLL-CCS for about a year or so, just as the political situation was making things more difficult. I believe they may have briefly flown FLL-SJO also at one point.

SJO was indeed operated at one point.

USAirALB wrote:

Nice to see FLL-LAX back. IIRC it might have been flown twice daily with 752s at one point.

MIAFLLPBIFlyer wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

AA actually flew FLL-CCS for about a year or so, just as the political situation was making things more difficult. I believe they may have briefly flown FLL-SJO also at one point.

SJO was indeed operated at one point.

FLL-LAX was up to 4X daily at one time, all 757s

Wow DFW-LGB is interesting... any word on equipment or frequencies? I guess I could check jonnyc's twitter.

9w748capt wrote:

Wow DFW-LGB is interesting... any word on equipment or frequencies? I guess I could check jonnyc's twitter.

Daily E-175 starting April.

https://twitter.com/crankyflier/status/ ... 8438586368

Ishrion wrote:

Brickell305 wrote:

Ishrion wrote:

BOS-FLL and LAX-FLL are two routes that were recently added by United and Delta respectively. It'll be interesting to see how this plays out.

I think AA historically had some P2P routes out of FLL such as PAP?

Also, will AA and B6 truly compete on BOS-FLL/MIA or will they even consider a codeshare?

AA used to fly FLL-KIN and FLL-PAP. KIN didn’t last long but PAP stuck around for a while before it was dropped. AA flew FLL-LAX recently, then switched the flight to PBI before dropping that too. Interesting times ahead. I guess we can put the whole “B6 started MIA to complement AA” story to bed.

Also, that is a LOT of capacity between So. Fla and LA for AA. 4 777s and an A321 out of MIA plus whatever they add out of FLL.

The 4 daily 777s + A321 on LAX-MIA are currently only for the peak holiday season, just like the 4x daily 777s on DFW-MCO.

Right now, their January and February schedules are "finalized" and LAX-MIA is 2x 777s and 2x A321s.

It's unclear when the three FLL routes begin so we'll have to wait a bit and see what changes they make to the overall LAX to Florida capacity.

AA will have a schedule upload over the weekend. MIALAX will have four daily 777s from Feb 11 onwards.

AA flew NYC-FLL (albeit once a day for a time before cutting it). Interesting adds, and I suspect these are about increasing demand given the number of people, notably from the northeast, who have decamped to Florida (some permanent, some to second homes) and the small but growing number of businesses that are making statements about establishing a larger Florida presence, like Goldman Sachs Asset Management (the hedge funds are really just about their founders replacing a NY or CT address to FL for tax reasons, core ops and staff will, for now remain in the NY area). However, all these adds seem to suggest there is no AA/B6 anything on the horizon. A merger is likely off the table for a long time as neither carrier can afford it, but down the road, maybe? The industry is desperate and starting to replicate dumping seats in many markets similar to what was happening in the 1980s and 1990s. The consumer will benefit in the short run with $49 fares to FLL. Then it will get ugly. Someone will file Chapter 11. And all the people claiming Florida is the antidote to living in NYC, BOS, etc...will be running back once the next Hurricane Andrew hits.