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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 25, 2020 6:39 pm

American's initial 737 MAX flights are now on sale: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -dec-2020/

AA718 MIA1032 – 1330LGA 7M8 D
AA718 LGA1430 – 1744MIA 7M8 D

Additionally, if conditions were normal, today would've been the inaugural flights for SEA-BLR, LAX-CHC, and DFW-AKL.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 12:35 am

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LAX/CLT and probably PHX/CLT will see 772 rotations in December.

this makes sense as PHX used to see the 330 from CLT during the holidays. LAX, as far as I know, has never seen a widebody from CLT. only PHL, post merger


Maybe not on American, however within six months of receiving their first 767 which entered service on 6/15/87 with the launch of CLT-LGW (the rotation was CLT-BWI-TPA-CLT-LGW-CLT-TPA-CLT), Piedmont upgauged both of their CLT-LAX flights to the 767. USAir continued scheduling the 767 on and off on the route until as late as 2003.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 4:37 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
rjbesikof wrote:
JonNYC is saying that AA is looking at further scaling back their DFW-Europe schedule. Could they potentially move these over to PHL or would they just remain of the table in December?
https://mobile.twitter.com/xJonNYC/stat ... 3088160770


Doubt it. Europe flying in the winter is heavily reliant on inbound European tourism, largely Miami, New York and some California/Orlando, and then during peak periods like Christmas or arround Presidents day there is a boost in U.S.-originating, especially to places like Paris, London and Rome. That stuff is shot this winter, with Europeans still banned from the States, Americans not allowed to travel to most of Europe, and COVID surging in the EU to the point where the situation is getting far worse than Stateside.


Well they did end up killing DFW-MAD/CDG after all in December. Also, several international routes are getting deferred from 10/17 to 1/5.
https://crankyflier.com/2020/10/26/dece ... continues/
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 5:18 pm

afcjets wrote:
wenders825 wrote:
LAX/CLT and probably PHX/CLT will see 772 rotations in December.

this makes sense as PHX used to see the 330 from CLT during the holidays. LAX, as far as I know, has never seen a widebody from CLT. only PHL, post merger


Maybe not on American, however within six months of receiving their first 767 which entered service on 6/15/87 with the launch of CLT-LGW (the rotation was CLT-BWI-TPA-CLT-LGW-CLT-TPA-CLT), Piedmont upgauged both of their CLT-LAX flights to the 767. USAir continued scheduling the 767 on and off on the route until as late as 2003.

I worked Piedmont in Air Cargo and both LGW flights originated in TPA per the route authority. We would have to book cargo a week in advance going to LGW. We were the fifth busiest cargo station in the Piedmont system
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:39 am

Miamiairport wrote:
The 77W seems to be an on and off MIA/ORD flight. On November 3 I was on an A321 to ORD but able to change my flight to a 77W and get an $8 flight credit. For me that route on a 77W is an almost guaranteed upgrade.



I flew it this past week but... The outbound MIA-ORD was changed to the 772 at the last moment (maybe due to not too many pax booked - the seat map showed a lot of empty seats the night before). But it stayed 77W on my Friday flight ORD-MIA and the plane was pretty close to full.

So nice to fly a 777 domestically!
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:04 am

I've heard that AA is planning to prepone it's SEA-BLR to JULY 2021....
 
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AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:14 am

Was looking through AA's bookings and came across these new changes:

- From December 2 through December 16, American Airlines will operate 7x daily DFW-MCO flights. Three frequencies will be on the 777-200ER.
- From December 17 through January 4, AA will operate 8x daily DFW-MCO flights. Three frequencies will be on the 777-300ER and one will be on the 777-200ER.

Additionally, AA will operate a daily TPA/MCO-EYW with the E-175 from December 17 through April 5.

That's... a lot of Florida capacity. There's other additions such as more 777s on DFW/LAX/JFK-MIA. The additional EYW adds are great - during the winter AA will fly to EYW from 9 cities (including temporary BOS).
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:35 am

Florida is expecting a lot of travelers during the holidays as Americans are expected to travel closer to home during this time period.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:01 am

What cities to EYW other than the hubs?
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:06 am

sargester wrote:
What cities to EYW other than the hubs?


Other than MCO, TPA, and BOS, it’s only hubs - DFW, MIA, CLT, DCA, PHL, ORD.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:40 am

I remember the days of multiple daily flights between MIA and Key West. But never thought there would be non-stop TPA/MCO to Key West. Always have options of transit in MIA. How many daily flights AA have now between Miami and Key West?
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:06 am

They have a lot of widebodies sitting around. Might as well use them to a proven domestic winner...Florida
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:35 am

MIA-LAX. 4 of the 5 nonstops will be on 772/77W in December
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:53 am

sand26391 wrote:
I've heard that AA is planning to prepone it's SEA-BLR to JULY 2021....


I had to google what prepone meant. LOL

Good to hear they are moving forward.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:02 pm

BA744PHX wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
I've heard that AA is planning to prepone it's SEA-BLR to JULY 2021....


I had to google what prepone meant. LOL

Good to hear they are moving forward.

They probably felt the need to as a competitive response to UA launching SFO-BLR.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:32 pm

PHX-DFW 788 from 12/02, 772 from 12/17 until 01/04
PHX-OGG 788 from 12/02, 772 from 12/16 until 01/04
PHX-HNL 772 from 11/19, 788 from 01/05 until 03/27
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 12:41 pm

Sadly it appears that MIA-LHR is suspended in December. BA will fly 2X MIA-LHR instead
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:17 pm

I’m seeing a 772 loaded for both CLT-LAX and CLT-LAS for December.
RJ85, F70, E135, E140, E145, E70, E75, E90, CR2, CR7, CR9, 717, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 744ER, 752, 753, 762, 772, 77E, 77W, 789, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 359, 388
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 1:19 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
I've heard that AA is planning to prepone it's SEA-BLR to JULY 2021....


I had to google what prepone meant. LOL

Good to hear they are moving forward.

They probably felt the need to as a competitive response to UA launching SFO-BLR.


But where is the demand? Thats the Million dollar question... with most of the companies having the option of WFH.... till June-July 21.. it will be an interesting update if they go through this. Lets see
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:03 pm

Other changes to AA's December schedule:

- From December 17, MIA-LAX sees 5x daily flights consisting of 3x 772, 1x 77W, 1x A321
- DFW-CUN up to 3x daily 789s from December 17
- DFW-LAS 2x daily 789s from December 17
- December 19/20, 26/27 2x daily 77Ws on MIA-JFK, weekdays 2x daily 772.
- Daily LAX-HNL 789 from December 2
- JFK-CUN daily 772 from December 2 (!)
- MIA-SJU daily 772 from December 2, double-daily 772 from December 17
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:16 pm

Is EYW-MCO/TPA new? I see both loaded in the schedule as well with a E75. I don't ever recall seeing them announced....

AA will then serve EYW-MCO/TPA/BOS/CLT/DFW/PHL/DCA/MIA/ORD nonstop from EYW. Very impressive.
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RJ85, F70, E135, E140, E145, E70, E75, E90, CR2, CR7, CR9, 717, 732, 733, 734, 735, 73G, 738, 739, 744ER, 752, 753, 762, 772, 77E, 77W, 789, 319, 320, 321, 332, 333, 343, 359, 388
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 2:17 pm

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Is EYW-MCO new? I see that loaded in the schedule as well with a E75. I don't ever recall seeing that announced...


It's new. TPA-EYW was also added: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1453639
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:12 pm

To add 777 pilot flight hours since they'll be paying minimums, anyway? It's not as if they'll see a lot of people paying big premiums for lie-flats on domestic flights into MCO. I'd like to see the math (irrespective of pilot minimums) for 7x 321 vs. 4x 777. They would get better connectivity thru the DFW hub, too, at 7x vs. 4x.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:20 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
BA744PHX wrote:

I had to google what prepone meant. LOL

Good to hear they are moving forward.

They probably felt the need to as a competitive response to UA launching SFO-BLR.


But where is the demand? Thats the Million dollar question... with most of the companies having the option of WFH.... till June-July 21.. it will be an interesting update if they go through this. Lets see

Quite frankly, I don’t think there would have been enough demand pre COVID with UA on SFO-BLR. I think they launched this on the premise that UA would be technically constrained at SFO. Post COVID, with UA flying there too, I don’t see how this works. We’ll see though.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:25 pm

jfklganyc wrote:
They have a lot of widebodies sitting around. Might as well use them to a proven domestic winner...Florida

And quite frankly, the rescheduling of widebodies to leisure routes during the holidays is the norm in most years. Once, business demand to Europe dives in winter, you often see scheduling similar to this. It’s just that this year, it’s in overdrive now that Euro/Asia demand has entirely collapsed.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 3:42 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
To add 777 pilot flight hours since they'll be paying minimums, anyway? It's not as if they'll see a lot of people paying big premiums for lie-flats on domestic flights into MCO. I'd like to see the math (irrespective of pilot minimums) for 7x 321 vs. 4x 777. They would get better connectivity thru the DFW hub, too, at 7x vs. 4x.


Actually.... its the opposite. AA has been doing a lot of First Class discounting to/from Florida and its filling up the cabins. I have bought a handful of MIA/SEA trips on AA in F for less than $400 each way; and one of the legs is in the 77W/772. Great way to experience the Flagship First suite (row 1/2) on the 77W.

AA FQTV'ers have been complaining over the huge upgrade lists and so few people actually getting them lately.... my DFW/MIA flight last week had over 60 on the UG list, and only 2 cleared.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:08 pm

With these changes loaded, what will be their intl schedule for December?
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:12 pm

DFW/MCO won't see as much premium demand as DFW/MIA but yeah on the widebody domestic flights J is definitely going out full with upgrades not clearing. AA will also discount connecting traffic into MCO. I I'm willing to accept a connection in MCO to DFW it's a very easy upgrade for me and a cheaper fare.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:14 pm

Schedules for EYW are loaded. Don't freak at some of the fares. They will be adjusted to normal levels in a few days. $900 TPA-EYW won't fly!
The flights are on Republic operated E175's and will definitely impact the service recently resumed by Silver (3M) from MCO and TPA to EYW. A pure jet over an ATR will be popular with the large AA FQTV's in both cities.
The flights on AA are morning inbounds to EYW and late evening returns with the E175 and crew overnighting in TPA and MCO. A great day trip schedule but not convenient for hotel/guesthouse/AirBnB'ers who have to check out at 12N. Go sit in a bar for 7+ hours, but I think the flights will be popular for the season.
If cruises resume in mid-December from TPA and MCO/Cape Canaveral Cruiseport an additional option for cruisers to add on EYW, and an option also for MCO/Disney visitors even for a quick day or overnight hop to EYW.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:33 pm

CLT- LAX and CLT-LAS in the 777 has been loaded also. And CLT-LHR starts 3x a week on the 772 on 11/4
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:36 pm

How weight restricted are the AA/UA flights from EYW to ORD. That's almost 1300 miles from a short runway and ISA+ >25 temps
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 4:44 pm

Miamiairport wrote:
DFW/MCO won't see as much premium demand as DFW/MIA but yeah on the widebody domestic flights J is definitely going out full with upgrades not clearing. AA will also discount connecting traffic into MCO. I I'm willing to accept a connection in MCO to DFW it's a very easy upgrade for me and a cheaper fare.


I guess I should say.. AA is doing a LOT more "value proposition" fares in the markets. MIA/SEA is $99 Basic, $160ish Main, and $390-$420 First/Business. Friend even paid $250ish for First Class between PHL & MCO/FLL.

Ive noticed Alaska Air is doing the same... just bought a JNU/ANC flt for $250 in First, when Main Cabin was $210. $40 to lock in a bigger seat and 100% more EDM is worth it, in my mind.
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:11 pm

Brickell305 wrote:
sand26391 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
They probably felt the need to as a competitive response to UA launching SFO-BLR.


But where is the demand? Thats the Million dollar question... with most of the companies having the option of WFH.... till June-July 21.. it will be an interesting update if they go through this. Lets see

Quite frankly, I don’t think there would have been enough demand pre COVID with UA on SFO-BLR. I think they launched this on the premise that UA would be technically constrained at SFO. Post COVID, with UA flying there too, I don’t see how this works. We’ll see though.


Point taken, But I think WS 2021 maybe a better time to launch than say Spring 2021.
But even with UA launching SFO-BLR, they must be relying more on the VFR traffic more than the business IMHO...Business traffic will be nowhere near where it was in 2019. It will be interesting on how long wil these routes be sustainable for both UA and AA. I really hope they are sustainable on the long run, esp for AA.
 
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Re: American Airlines Network Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 01, 2020 5:41 pm

sand26391 wrote:
Brickell305 wrote:
sand26391 wrote:

But where is the demand? Thats the Million dollar question... with most of the companies having the option of WFH.... till June-July 21.. it will be an interesting update if they go through this. Lets see

Quite frankly, I don’t think there would have been enough demand pre COVID with UA on SFO-BLR. I think they launched this on the premise that UA would be technically constrained at SFO. Post COVID, with UA flying there too, I don’t see how this works. We’ll see though.


Point taken, But I think WS 2021 maybe a better time to launch than say Spring 2021.
But even with UA launching SFO-BLR, they must be relying more on the VFR traffic more than the business IMHO...Business traffic will be nowhere near where it was in 2019. It will be interesting on how long wil these routes be sustainable for both UA and AA. I really hope they are sustainable on the long run, esp for AA.


Only way I see AA moving this up is if Microsoft or Amazon specifically requested it and guaranteed a certain amount of C seats. VFR oriented ULH will always bleed money and AA knows this.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 6:16 pm

phugoid1982 wrote:
How weight restricted are the AA/UA flights from EYW to ORD. That's almost 1300 miles from a short runway and ISA+ >25 temps


Currently the AA EYW-ORD capacity is capped at 55 seats so they are blocking 21 seats with no seats blocked ORD-EYW. I believe in the past they have restricted checked bags to 1 per pax.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:08 pm

dfwjim1 wrote:
Florida is expecting a lot of travelers during the holidays as Americans are expected to travel closer to home during this time period.


As Tim Russert once said, Florida! Florida! Florida!
 
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 7:45 pm

Boof02671 wrote:
CLT- LAX and CLT-LAS in the 777 has been loaded also. And CLT-LHR starts 3x a week on the 772 on 11/4


If CLT-LHR is resuming, and that's a big if, given the UK goes back into lockdown for a month on November 5th, it comes as no surprise the route will fly with a 772. This was an A330 route and with that type gone, and plenty of 777 slack, it would make sense that the route will operate, if it really does resume, on a 772.
 
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:01 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
CLT- LAX and CLT-LAS in the 777 has been loaded also. And CLT-LHR starts 3x a week on the 772 on 11/4


If CLT-LHR is resuming, and that's a big if, given the UK goes back into lockdown for a month on November 5th, it comes as no surprise the route will fly with a 772. This was an A330 route and with that type gone, and plenty of 777 slack, it would make sense that the route will operate, if it really does resume, on a 772.

It’s flying 11/4 three days a week. Wednesday, Friday and Sunday and it’s on a 772.
 
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:02 pm

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Schedules for EYW are loaded. Don't freak at some of the fares. They will be adjusted to normal levels in a few days. $900 TPA-EYW won't fly!
The flights are on Republic operated E175's and will definitely impact the service recently resumed by Silver (3M) from MCO and TPA to EYW. A pure jet over an ATR will be popular with the large AA FQTV's in both cities.
The flights on AA are morning inbounds to EYW and late evening returns with the E175 and crew overnighting in TPA and MCO. A great day trip schedule but not convenient for hotel/guesthouse/AirBnB'ers who have to check out at 12N. Go sit in a bar for 7+ hours, but I think the flights will be popular for the season.
If cruises resume in mid-December from TPA and MCO/Cape Canaveral Cruiseport an additional option for cruisers to add on EYW, and an option also for MCO/Disney visitors even for a quick day or overnight hop to EYW.

Can the runway at EYW not handle a A319?
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 8:51 pm

AA flies the 319 into EYW and DL just replaced the 737-700 with the 319.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 9:59 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Was looking through AA's bookings and came across these new changes:

- From December 2 through December 16, American Airlines will operate 7x daily DFW-MCO flights. Three frequencies will be on the 777-200ER.
- From December 17 through January 4, AA will operate 8x daily DFW-MCO flights. Three frequencies will be on the 777-300ER and one will be on the 777-200ER.

Additionally, AA will operate a daily TPA/MCO-EYW with the E-175 from December 17 through April 5.

That's... a lot of Florida capacity. There's other additions such as more 777s on DFW/LAX/JFK-MIA. The additional EYW adds are great - during the winter AA will fly to EYW from 9 cities (including temporary BOS).


Hasn’t this strategy been tried before? DL used to send a ton of wide bodies to Florida; they lost a bunch of money and it’s part of what pushed them into bankruptcy. I don’t think this is a good idea.
 
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Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:07 pm

The thing is that AA is desperately trying to generate cashflow. AA has proven if you discount the seats enough they will fill a widebody on many domestic routes, particularly to Florida, thereby generating cash flow but losing lots of money. But yes long term it's only going to push AA into bankruptcy court.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 10:32 pm

PI4EVR wrote:
Schedules for EYW are loaded. Don't freak at some of the fares. They will be adjusted to normal levels in a few days. $900 TPA-EYW won't fly!
The flights are on Republic operated E175's and will definitely impact the service recently resumed by Silver (3M) from MCO and TPA to EYW. A pure jet over an ATR will be popular with the large AA FQTV's in both cities.
The flights on AA are morning inbounds to EYW and late evening returns with the E175 and crew overnighting in TPA and MCO. A great day trip schedule but not convenient for hotel/guesthouse/AirBnB'ers who have to check out at 12N. Go sit in a bar for 7+ hours, but I think the flights will be popular for the season.
If cruises resume in mid-December from TPA and MCO/Cape Canaveral Cruiseport an additional option for cruisers to add on EYW, and an option also for MCO/Disney visitors even for a quick day or overnight hop to EYW.


Looking at EYW makes me wonder if it might be one of the most over-serviced airports in the US. Having AA and Silver duke it out for the limited-demand TPA/MCO-EYW markets should be interesting and probably, unprofitable. But just wow, check out their flights! There are also EYW non-stops to DCA, ORD, EWR, DFW, ATL, MIA, FLL, CLT and PHL. Before WN gave up on EYW they even flew EYW-MSY. Could this be too much of a good thing?

https://flightaware.com/live/airport/KEYW
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:33 pm

Are EYW and PSP overserved now. Yes of course but the airlines are trying to fly anything to generate cash in markets they can stimulate demand. Business flyers are not out there and they can't afford to make all their payments and fly no flights. Their fixed costs are too high. They are trying to lose as little as possible. Until business travel returns which is too far out to do nothing they have to use the planes to fly somewhere. Their cash burn rates will be even higher flying nothing and they can't put more seats on business routes the demand isn't there and won't be for a while. This has gone on for too long and will continue too long to do nothing.

I'd expect even more leisure oriented routes by all airlines.

It's the only routes they can stimulate demand. The airlines are in a terrible position and it's getting worse everyday that the recovery is further out. Businesses are really getting use to zoom calls and wfh , that is terrible for the airlines as this stretches longer the more normal that's becoming the new way to do business it's really bad for airlines. Travel budgets are coming back much smaller and pushed out longer the longer this pandemic goes on.
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Sun Nov 01, 2020 11:35 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
Boof02671 wrote:
CLT- LAX and CLT-LAS in the 777 has been loaded also. And CLT-LHR starts 3x a week on the 772 on 11/4


If CLT-LHR is resuming, and that's a big if, given the UK goes back into lockdown for a month on November 5th, it comes as no surprise the route will fly with a 772. This was an A330 route and with that type gone, and plenty of 777 slack, it would make sense that the route will operate, if it really does resume, on a 772.

AA opened a 777 base at CLT. All CLT widebody routes will exclusively be flown by 777s from this point forward.
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:07 am

Boof02671 wrote:
CLT- LAX and CLT-LAS in the 777 has been loaded also. And CLT-LHR starts 3x a week on the 772 on 11/4


That's good news. There has been way too much L-US 321 on CLT-LAX for too long.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Mon Nov 02, 2020 12:47 am

PI4EVR wrote:
The flights are on Republic operated E175's and will definitely impact the service recently resumed by Silver (3M) from MCO and TPA to EYW. A pure jet over an ATR will be popular with the large AA FQTV's in both cities.
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In my Westchase neighborhood we hit Key West a lot. Part of going is taking the Silver props to EYW. It just gives you that Caribbean vibe. Only way to go and a lot more fun than another sterile jet..unless it’s a G-IV.
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:12 am

TVNWZ wrote:
PI4EVR wrote:
The flights are on Republic operated E175's and will definitely impact the service recently resumed by Silver (3M) from MCO and TPA to EYW. A pure jet over an ATR will be popular with the large AA FQTV's in both cities.
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In my Westchase neighborhood we hit Key West a lot. Part of going is taking the Silver props to EYW. It just gives you that Caribbean vibe. Only way to go and a lot more fun than another sterile jet..unless it’s a G-IV.


I always considered Key West to be like taking the tacky parts of Daytona Beach (after squeezing out the crackheads and teenage runaways) and sticking it all on a tiny island. Except Key West is oppressively expensive for both food and lodging; if you can even book a room during high season. For us proletarian Floridians, we brave the drive down the Overseas Highway to harvest Florida Lobsters (in season) and usually stay up in the more affordable Upper and Middle Keys - Key West is at best a day trip. But for rich folks stuck in the harsh Winters of DCA, EWR, PHL and ORD, I guess Key West is the mythical "Margaritaville" that Jimmy Buffett used to sing about (even though he was making fun of the whole scene). All that said, I'd prefer flying 3M's ATR's to EYW from MCO rather than "Brickyard's" E175's, just for the "retro-cool factor".
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:15 am

Was this pretty much driven by passenger demand and pilot duty hours or is there also a cargo rationale?
 
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Re: AA To Operate 4x Boeing 777s on DFW-MCO During Peak Winter, Adds EYW-MCO/TPA

Mon Nov 02, 2020 1:18 am

When US first went back to EYW after the HP merger their first routes were EYW-MCO/FLL so this is a resumption of a way. MCO/FLL folded into CLT service eventually.
FLALEFTY wrote:
TVNWZ wrote:
PI4EVR wrote:
The flights are on Republic operated E175's and will definitely impact the service recently resumed by Silver (3M) from MCO and TPA to EYW. A pure jet over an ATR will be popular with the large AA FQTV's in both cities.
.


In my Westchase neighborhood we hit Key West a lot. Part of going is taking the Silver props to EYW. It just gives you that Caribbean vibe. Only way to go and a lot more fun than another sterile jet..unless it’s a G-IV.


I always considered Key West to be like taking the tacky parts of Daytona Beach (after squeezing out the crackheads and teenage runaways) and sticking it all on a tiny island. Except Key West is oppressively expensive for both food and lodging; if you can even book a room during high season. For us proletarian Floridians, we brave the drive down the Overseas Highway to harvest Florida Lobsters (in season) and usually stay up in the more affordable Upper and Middle Keys - Key West is at best a day trip. But for rich folks stuck in the harsh Winters of DCA, EWR, PHL and ORD, I guess Key West is the mythical "Margaritaville" that Jimmy Buffett used to sing about (even though he was making fun of the whole scene). All that said, I'd prefer flying 3M's ATR's to EYW from MCO rather than "Brickyard's" E175's, just for the "retro-cool factor".

That's interesting. I've been going to Key West since I was a kid. My parents hate places like MYR, DAB, ILM, Jersey Shore, Ocean City with a passion and we've never gotten that vibe from Key West. Sure the Sunset Festival is quite tacky and there are some tacky places, but there are genuinely nice hotels and restaurants on the island.
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