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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 7:36 pm

Boeing's 737 Max Crisis Weighs Heavily On Workers, Retirees
Boeing workers and retirees in Washington state are grieving. The pride they felt from designing and building airliners has been tarnished by the company's 737 Max crisis.

https://www.npr.org/2020/01/20/79787072 ... 9544421771
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 2:57 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/20/737-max ... -more.html

Boeing seeking to borrow $10B. Draw type of funding mechanism. Exceeds what the street expected.

Boy this gets worse and worse by the day. Also in that article is that Spirit Aerospace had their rating slashed and they've laid off nearly 3000 employees due to the Max cessation (fuselage components). Subcontractors and suppliers are starting to feel serious pain.
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 6:52 pm

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/21/busi ... index.html

"Boeing has officially stopped making 737 Max airplanes
The assembly line in Renton, Washington, has stopped building Boeing's bestselling plane, the company confirmed late Monday. Boeing announced plans to temporarily halt production for an undetermined period in December, but it had not previously announced a precise day for the shutdown."
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:11 pm

"Boeing doesn’t expect regulators to sign off on 737 Max until June or July"

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/boeing- ... -july.html

My remark to this news item would be: "Duh".

Stock down 5%.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:13 pm

Boeing currently plunging on reports signoff now won't be until June or July, according to reports from CNBC.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/21/boeing- ... -july.html
 
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Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:34 pm

Department of Transportation 737MAX certification review report.

First couple of pages read like sycophantic praise. But there are just the 32 recommendations.

I think "..make our safe aviation system safer..." remark was rather ill judged.

https://www.transportation.gov/sites/do ... ummary.pdf

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Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:43 pm

 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 6:45 pm

Trump calls Boeing a 'big, big disappointment'

President Donald Trump has criticised Boeing as a 'very disappointing company' in a press conference today.

He cited the aerospace giant's recent problems after the grounding of the 737 MAX plane, which he said had a knock-on effect for the US economy.

'This is one of the great companies of the world, let's say as of a year ago, and then all of a sudden things happen,' Trump said in an interview on CNBC from the Davos economic forum in Switzerland.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/articl ... Davos.html
 
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Wed Jan 22, 2020 8:38 pm

Reuters: Boeing CEO says he expects to resume 737 MAX production before mid-year

No specific dates, but "a few months before June" seems to be the take-away.

Calhoun declined to provide a specific date for resumption of production, but said it “will be reinvigorated months before that moment in June because we have to get that line started up again.” He also said the company would make some changes to the 737 MAX production line to make it more efficient.

The CEO said the company “will slowly, steadily bring our production rate up a few months before that date in the middle of the year.” He said the company was not planning to lay off any employees because of the latest delay in the MAX.

Lots of other stuff in the article, including him saying MAX won't be scrapped and it will fly for a generation, the dividend will be paid, he did not see recent issues raised about wiring or software as “serious problems", and NMA team starting with a "clean sheet of paper".
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:23 am

A different article based on the Calhoun interview. Seattle Times

Calhoun announced that the development work Boeing has been doing for several years on a new airplane—internally known as the New Midmarket Airplane (NMA)—is starting over.

“We’re not giving up on the future,” he said. “But for me, my attention and that of my executive team, I simply want to be focused” on fixing the MAX and re-emphasizing engineering and safety.

Calhoun announced that the development work Boeing has been doing for several years on the NMA is starting over.



https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... estore-it/
 
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:51 pm

Over the past week 3 737MAX8 have been taken out of storage at MWH and positioned back to RNT

LN7585 United Airlines 737MAX9 N21519
LN7728 China Southern 737MAX8 B-20CU
LN7729 SpiceJet 737MAX8

https://twitter.com/AeroimagesChris/sta ... 02368?s=20
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Sat Jan 25, 2020 1:06 pm

According to Reuters, FAA Steve Dickson called senior U.S airlines officials that FAA might approve the 737MAX before the midyear deadline communicated by Boeing earlier in the week.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN1ZN2DS
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:37 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/27/boeing- ... risis.html reports either good news that the markets have loaned Boeing $12B to help get through the MAX crisis, or bad news that Boeing felt the need to borrow $12B to help get through the MAX crisis.

Boeing's financial strategy and earnings will be reported before the markets open on Wednesday.

The loan is a delayed-draw loan, meaning Boeing may not use it immediately.
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 2:22 pm

The CEO of United Technologies claims production stop may last 90 days.

https://twitter.com/fg_domperry/status/ ... 9021410304

Greg Hayes, CEO of
@UTC
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@BoeingAirplanes
to have a 90 day halt to #737MAX production, resuming at a rate of 21AC/month. Says it is "best guess" based on "constant contact" with Boeing.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:59 pm

Boeing expects the 737 MAX grounding to cost $18.6b
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/busi ... e=Homepage
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:40 pm

VS11 wrote:
Boeing expects the 737 MAX grounding to cost $18.6b
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/29/busi ... e=Homepage


And another $4 billion costs are expected in 2020.

https://leehamnews.com/2020/01/29/boein ... ges-costs/
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:49 pm

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51200118

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 5:35 pm

Leeham Co reports that Spirit AeroSystems reached agreement with Boeing to supply 220 fuselages in 2020.

Boeing said this week and last week that it will resume production “a couple of months” ahead of recertification of the MAX and that it will be a slow and deliberate restart and ramp up.


Image

The Wichita (KS)-based company has about 100 MAX fuselages in storage.

https://leehamnews.com/2020/01/30/boein ... more-32421
 
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Fri Jan 31, 2020 5:24 pm

Another reminder to everyone to keep discussion out of this thread. If you wish to discuss news items in here, please take it to the discussion thread.

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Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:41 pm

A short Radio-Canada report about the 160 flights by canadian 737MAX since flight interdiction.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/nouvelle/15 ... erche=true

More on the same subject, from CBC, so in English :-)

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canadi ... -1.5449405

A few words from Marc Garneau, Transport Minister

https://www.cbc.ca/news/garneau-talks-a ... -1.5450453
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:29 pm

Another, although minor sounding, software glitch to be patched.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... 37-max-jet
 
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Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:05 pm

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-boein ... KKBN20026S

Further report of 'new' software problem. Does anyone know if this ' indicator light' is an existing indicator or a new one added to the flight deck? do they mean a message on the PFD?

Additionally, Dickson - '....“On the design approval, from everything that I have seen I think we’ll have very solid alignment,” he said. ...'

Does this imply EASA and FAA now basically agree on the wire bundle change/no change conclusion?

And, '...“They have not given us a proposal on the wiring yet,” Dickson said. ...'

Does this imply that a change to the wire bundle separation will be made?

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 9:48 pm

Those questions should be asked in the General Discussion thread at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1440181, please.

Per the Moderators, the purpose of this thread is only to link to articles - not discuss them (as that is what the discussion thread is for) to protect visibility.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:25 am

IAG reconfirms their commitment to the B737MAX with or without Willie Walsh.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nding-deal
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:39 pm

Boeing 737 set for certification flight within weeks
https://www.ft.com/content/aea7c2e6-490 ... 5839e06441

The FAA chief was talking to the Aviation Club of the UK
 
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Fri Feb 07, 2020 9:59 pm

VS11 wrote:
Boeing 737 set for certification flight within weeks
https://www.ft.com/content/aea7c2e6-490 ... 5839e06441

The FAA chief was talking to the Aviation Club of the UK

Do you have a link to the article without subscribing?

Never mind. I found it: https://www.ft.com/content/aea7c2e6-490 ... 5839e06441
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Feb 07, 2020 10:55 pm

That's the same link. It needs to be a redirect from the likes of Google.

Try this: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q ... 5839e06441

(it will throw up a redirect warning)
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Feb 08, 2020 10:57 am

VS11 wrote:
Boeing 737 set for certification flight within weeks
https://www.ft.com/content/aea7c2e6-490 ... 5839e06441
The FAA chief was talking to the Aviation Club of the UK

This summary of the article is (intentionally?) misleading. Dickson never made any commitment.

Financial Times' wording: "signalled" and "could".
https://www.ft.com/content/aea7c2e6-490 ... 5839e06441

BBC's wording: "did indicate" and "could".
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-51407951

Reuters' wording: "might".
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN20026S

Scotron12 wrote:
IAG reconfirms their commitment to the B737MAX with or without Willie Walsh.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nding-deal

The article's title and the first paragraph contradict themselves:

"With or Without Walsh, British Air Parent Will Welcome Back Boeing’s Max"
vs.
"Outgoing IAG SA Chief Executive Officer Willie Walsh said the airline group is “fully committed”2 to signing a $24 billion order for Boeing Co.’s troubled Max jetliner, even though the ultimate decision to proceed with the deal is set to fall to his successor."

Willie Walsh is announced to retire in March. So to summarize that IAG reconfirmed their commitment is misleading, at best.


I apologize for posting my objections here. But there seems to be a deliberate pattern of spinning news in a certain direction.
Discussions could be kept out of this thread if any additional spin was prohibited, e.g. by only allowing the articles' titles.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:16 am

New DoT audit of training requirements and funds for FAA oversight.

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/u-tra ... 59569.html

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Tue Feb 11, 2020 3:05 pm

Apparently FAA Administrator Steve Dickson is at the Singapore Air Show and giving some guidance to the press.

FAA says the MAX certification flight is approaching:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-sing ... SKBN205100

FAA gives steps needed to get Boeing 737 MAX flying:

https://www.reuters.com/article/singapo ... SL8N2AB4U8
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Wed Feb 12, 2020 9:40 am

TUI does not expect any MAX deliveries during the current financial year which ends September 31st.

http://www.rfi.fr/en/wires/20200211-tui ... -september
 
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Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:28 pm

Boeing fires mid-level executive - Keith Cooper - who oversaw the two technical/test pilots whose email messages in 2016 were revealed to the public on Jan 9, 2020.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/boeing-fir ... 1581521922

The Jan 9 article that broke the story (one of the messages said “This airplane is designed by clowns who in turn are supervised by monkeys”):

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/09/boeing- ... table.html
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Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:25 pm

SouthWest has extended it's MAX grounding until early August 2020.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/busines ... ly-august/
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:06 pm

United joining Southwest, cancelling 17k flights through Sep 4th

https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-boein ... 082AK?il=0
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 8:30 pm

Leeham has an article on the MAX, 777X certification questions:

Dickson said that he and Deputy Administrator Dan Elwell, both licensed commercial pilots, will complete the simulator and computer-based training recommended by Boeing. “But we don’t want to have our thumb on the scale. We’ve got international crews and US crews coming into evaluate those [training] proposals, and we’ll have to see how they perform and whether any modifications for the building proposal [are required].”

The minimum time from certification flight to potentially ungrounding the MAX is 30 days, Dickson estimated. During that time, a technical advisory board must issue its final findings for aircraft modifications and a minimum master equipment list (MEL) must be approved.

The FAA and other regulators will also require a separate validation flight for each MAX before it can receive a new airworthiness certificate. FAA inspectors, not Boeing employees, will be issuing those certificates for the first few months. This is expected to change over time “if things are working well,” said Dickson.

https://leehamnews.com/2020/02/13/max-7 ... e-airshow/
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:17 pm

BA submit wiring determination and possible solution to wiring issues to FAA, says any solution won't affect RTS.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/14/boeing- ... cerns.html
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 4:01 pm

An article detailing 13 other safety incidents experienced by the MAX, with production problems about being a possible cause.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-15/ ... t/11957634
 
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Sun Feb 16, 2020 12:32 pm

https://theaircurrent.com/aviation-safe ... o-service/

Perhaps ye might find this interesting.
It outlines what remains to be done before 737Max is allowed back in to service.
dated 12th February. More pithy and less salacious than most media articles.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:59 pm

Garneau reportedly confirms TC will conduct its own cert flight test on Max and will carry this forward to future as part of a package of changes to TC cert procedures.
https://headtopics.com/ca/garneau-pledg ... s-11351896

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Tue Feb 18, 2020 11:11 pm

Seem slike Foreign Object Debris has been found in "several" fuel tanks on undelivered MAX jets, Boeing to now inspect ALL undelivered planes. No impact to RTS

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/02/18/boeing- ... ebris.html

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