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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 9:19 pm

I noticed this on Boeing's Website. I hadn't seen it before:

http://www.boeing.com/737-max-updates/
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 10:36 pm

This thread is for links on the 737 MAX grounding and not for discussion. Please discuss in this quarter's thread:

viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1448399

We had user requests for an uncluttered thread to find links on the topic.
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Fri Sep 11, 2020 3:59 pm

Flying at the cruising altitude is (mostly) boring. I wish all flights were nothing but endless take offs and landings every 10 minutes or so.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:04 pm

Gates (Seattle Times) latest discussion as the MAX apparently will be approved by other regulatory agencies around the world.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -now-safe/
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Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:07 am

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/boe ... evelopment

"I don't consider the development of the airplane to be a failure," Leverkuhn told investigators.
"I think based upon our understanding and our assumptions of flight crew actions, that it wasn't a mistake," Leverkuhn said.

EDIT: Removed my own commentary.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:46 am

Another "long read" from the BBC, nothing new from an A.net perspective, but shows how interesting it still must be to the people who decide on news clicks:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/extra/IFtb42 ... ly-crashes
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:07 pm

Seattle Times also has extensive coverage of the long awaited US House Report:

An intensive investigation by a U.S. House Committee into the causes of the two Boeing 737 MAX crashes reveals new details documenting what a final report calls “a disturbing pattern of technical miscalculations and troubling management misjudgments made by Boeing,” along with “grossly insufficient oversight by the FAA.”
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The report says Boeing engineers at various points during development of the MAX raised questions about all the critical design elements of the flight control software that later led to the crashes — the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS).

It cites internal Boeing memos and emails in which engineers asked about the system being triggered by a single sensor, about the potential consequences of a faulty sensor, about how repetitive MCAS activations might affect the ability of pilots to maintain control, and about whether pilots would react in time if MCAS was triggered erroneously.

Ref: Seattle Times: U.S. House probe of 737 MAX finds ‘disturbing pattern’ of Boeing failures and ‘grossly insufficient’ FAA oversight

Please discuss in the grounding general discussion thread, not here!
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:23 pm

Reuters summary of US House Report:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN2671GM

Shorter and does not get into the details but may be more readable for those who don't want to know the details.
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:33 pm

Final Committee report and all the supporting documents

https://transportation.house.gov/commit ... estigation
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:43 pm

Aviation Week released an article today reporting that the recently released Congressional Report highlighted that Boeing knew of Pilot Response Issues with the MAX and MCAS.

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... 85679a14f3
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Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:41 am

Leeham News and Analysis paywall article about why the Boeing 737 MAX will be safe when recertified is now open to all readers:
https://leehamnews.com/2020/09/14/why-i ... nt-before/
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 1:44 pm

Seattle Times on union for FAA safety engineers. One or two free articles a week.
Union argues for a more comprehensive crew alerting and cockpit alarm annunsiation change before the Max is allowed to fly again.
They are discussing human/machine interface, crew alerting. The need to be able to deactivate an erroneous stick shaker for example. Also talk about manual trim wheel check list, the need to bring aircraft in trim with electric switches before electric trim cutout.

Union for FAA’s safety engineers urges more changes to Boeing 737 MAX before it can fly again
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 8:59 pm

Folks on the hill request results of FAA review on MAX
https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSKCN26D1ZB
 
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Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:51 pm

UK pilots are resisting that for manually trimming the horizontal stabiliser, a “two-pilot effort” may be used.

And they prefer 3 sensor logic for aoa determination.

https://www.flightglobal.com/safety/uk-pilots-seek-assurance-on-sensor-and-trim-aspects-of-737-max-redesign/140287.article

Seems to go back to last years EASA and JATR requirements and recommendations.

Just like the Crew alert system issue, that is (rightfully) back on the table.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/boeing-aerospace/boeing-pushed-faa-to-arelax-737-max-certification-requirements-for-crew-alerts/

If Boeing didn't address those topics properly in the eyes of AESA, Chinese and other authority's, it make less sense for FAA to approve them.
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 1:21 pm

EASA likely to lift 737 MAX ban in November:
https://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKL5N2GM26V
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 3:53 pm

Courtesy: Aviation Week

Input On Proposed MAX Changes Spotlight Broader 737 Fleet Issues

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/aircraft-propulsion/input-proposed-max-changes-spotlight-broader-737-fleet-issues
 
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Sat Sep 26, 2020 2:49 pm

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... eal-estate says:

Boeing Co. is thinning its corps of vice presidents and winnowing real estate holdings, including a splashy outpost near the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, as the planemaker works furiously to counter plunging aircraft sales and mounting costs for the grounded 737 Max.

About 170 midlevel executives, 70 of them based at Boeing’s commercial airplane division, are taking a buyout offer that includes a year’s salary, according to people familiar with the matter. The first of the vice presidents and senior managers to accept the terms will leave the company Oct. 2, followed by a second wave later in the year.

Hope they are cutting more fat than bone.
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 4:48 pm

Foks, this is a reference thread.

Post only a link with small quote and a concise comment.
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 6:20 pm

EASA to require a third AoA sensor. To be "synthetic", initially for the 737-10, then retrofitted to the in-service fleet:

https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... -third-aoa

So not on the critical path to return to service
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 1:26 pm

https://www.airlineratings.com/news/eur ... _headlines

So apparently, EU regulators will approve the MAX by November?
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 6:28 pm

Proposed US House bill would give FAA new oversight powers over Boeing along with funding.

The bill, which has bipartisan support, would give the Federal Aviation Administration a say in which Boeing employees carry out safety oversight work on the agency’s behalf, rebalancing a system that reviews of the crashes have blamed for the FAA missing safety problems with the jets.

The legislation also would provide the FAA an extra $30 million a year to beef up its own engineering and technical teams and calls for some two dozen other changes to the nation’s aviation safety regime.


The US Senate is considering similar legislation.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/tr ... story.html

( Comment away in the MAX discussion thread - viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1448399 )
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 6:00 pm

Boeing’s 737 Max test aircraft has returned to Boeing Field after a demonstration flight flown by FAA Administrator Steve Dickson.

Ref: https://twitter.com/jonostrower/status/ ... 2826781696
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 10:47 pm

Dickson "pleased" with flight but no firm timeline for RTS.

https://seekingalpha.com/news/3618659-f ... -approvals
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:21 am

Dickson says maybe more work needed before RTS:

He also said concerns about the plane's safety raised earlier this month by the FAA's own safety engineers are under consideration by the officials certifying the plane. The safety engineers, in a document submitted to the FAA by their union, said additional work is needed before the jet should be cleared for passenger flights.


https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/30/busi ... index.html
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Oct 03, 2020 11:54 pm

13% of built MAXs have no customer, whitetails:
https://aviationweek.com/air-transport/ ... -customers

An Aviation Week Intelligence Network Fleet Data analysis shows 62 of these, or 13% of the total, have been canceled by their original customers and not re-booked as part of new orders, a serial-number-level analysis of available data shows. Lessors accounted for 49 of these cancellations, while airlines canceled 11 of them. Two others were Boeing Business Jet VIP versions.

The fact leasors are walking away shows the lack of short term demand.

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 3:38 pm

Motley Fool thinks AS might be shopping for some of those whitetails.

https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/10/ ... ing-again/
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 5:21 pm

Draft of FAA pilot training updates for 737 family ('draft FSB report') is now available.

It is available at https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/fsb/ ( scroll down to 737 section for overview ) or https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs ... _Draft.pdf ( actual PDF document ).

Please make any comments in our discussion thread ( viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452437&p=22454833#p22454833 ).
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 6:10 pm

FAA will require MAX pilots undertake full-motion flight simulator training on how to manually adjust the tail to stop an uncommanded nose-down pitch and how to recognize what’s going on and prioritize corrective action when multiple alerts are triggered on take-off or landing.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... grounding/

The draft document from the FAA’s Flight Standardization Board (FSB) covers pilot procedures for all models of the 737, with a “special emphasis training” section focused on the MAX’s revamped flight-control software that activated erroneously on the two crash flights and forced the Lion Air and Ethiopian Airlines jets into fatal nose dives...The proposed minimum training requirements require pilots to practice handling of various failure scenarios in a full-flight simulator.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Oct 09, 2020 2:14 pm

MOL, so take it with a grain of salt!

Ryanair expects Boeing 737 Max jet clearance soon

Ryanair has said it expects the controversial Boeing 737 Max plane to be allowed to fly again in the US in the next month or so.

The airline's boss, Eddie Wilson, said it hoped to start taking delivery of the planes early next year. No Max planes have flown since March 2019 after issues with its software were linked to crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia, which killed 346 people. Before the flight ban, Ryanair had 135 of them on order. "The first of those we would hope to arrive in very early 2021," Mr Wilson told Ireland's Newstalk radio station.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54477605
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:09 pm

oschkosch wrote:
MOL, so take it with a grain of salt!

Ryanair expects Boeing 737 Max jet clearance soon

Ryanair has said it expects the controversial Boeing 737 Max plane to be allowed to fly again in the US in the next month or so.

The airline's boss, Eddie Wilson, said it hoped to start taking delivery of the planes early next year. No Max planes have flown since March 2019 after issues with its software were linked to crashes in Indonesia and Ethiopia, which killed 346 people. Before the flight ban, Ryanair had 135 of them on order. "The first of those we would hope to arrive in very early 2021," Mr Wilson told Ireland's Newstalk radio station.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/business-54477605


This has also been picked up by Flight International (You might need to register for a free account to read this)

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/rya ... 2012102020
 
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Tue Oct 13, 2020 7:14 pm

aschachter wrote:
This has also been picked up by Flight International (You might need to register for a free account to read this)

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/rya ... 2012102020


It is still behind a pay wall, even with the free account. I can't open it :(

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 8:51 pm

A388 wrote:
aschachter wrote:
This has also been picked up by Flight International (You might need to register for a free account to read this)

https://www.flightglobal.com/fleets/rya ... 2012102020


It is still behind a pay wall, even with the free account. I can't open it :(

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:46 pm

Just a reminder that this is a reference thread only, like a news feed. Discussion belongs in the applicable discussion thread.

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:45 am

(Reuters) - American Airlines Group plans to return Boeing 737 Max jets to service for passenger flights by the end of this year depending on certification of the aircraft from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), it said on Sunday.

The airline said it will operate a daily 737 Max flight between Miami and New York from Dec. 29 to Jan. 4, with flights available for booking from Oct. 24.


www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-737ma ... SKBN27305O

They might be a little ahead of regulators on this and need to adjust timing but this appears to be an expression of confidence.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:42 am

Confirmation that EASA is about to clear the 737 Max for Service

https://onemileatatime.com/boeing-737-m ... vKmW7vE03s
 
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 6:17 pm

Reuters: No timetable yet for Boeing 737 MAX's return to service in China

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-chin ... SKBN27715V
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Thu Oct 22, 2020 8:15 pm

Bloomberg Opinion: Boeing's 737 Max Gets Double Dose of Bad News

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeings- ... 54998.html
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:09 pm

Courtesy: Aviation Pros

American Airlines is Planning Boeing 737 Max Tours as Ungrounding Nears

https://www.aviationpros.com/airlines/news/21160110/american-airlines-is-planning-boeing-737-max-tours-as-ungrounding-nears
 
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Wed Oct 28, 2020 2:49 pm

European low-cost airline Ryanair will take delivery & operate the troubled Boeing 737 MAX jet in February 2021, staff have just been told.

Ref: https://twitter.com/AlexInAir/status/13 ... 4076951557
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Thu Oct 29, 2020 3:48 pm

Almost there . Comment period ends November 4th I believe


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.c ... ifted.html
 
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Mon Nov 02, 2020 4:13 pm

O'Leary told today Boeing have pushed back production of the MAX 10 by anything up to two years. Roll-out of the Boeing 737-10 was 23 Nov 2019.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ryanair- ... 0wjGyPO3Sp
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:52 pm

Pilots say FAA proposal for Boeing Max training needs work

https://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/pil ... s-work.amp

The union representing Southwest Airlines pilots said Monday that the FAA should reduce the number of steps pilots must remember and carry out in the type of emergency that occurred before both Max crashes.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 1:55 pm

This is a reference thread, not a discussion thread. Post a link, a fair use quote, and a brief comment.

The MAX discussion thread:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1452437

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Wed Nov 04, 2020 4:10 pm

Ryanair sees Boeing 737 MAX 8 to return to service in North America toward the end of November/early December. Sees its MAX 200s ready for delivery 'maybe in late January or early February.'

Ref: https://twitter.com/R_Wall/status/1324018630929993728
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Nov 04, 2020 8:10 pm

Courtesy: Aviation Week

Returning MAX To Service Requires Maintenance Changes

https://aviationweek.com/mro/safety-ops-regulation/returning-max-service-requires-maintenance-changes
 
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Courtesy: Aviation Week

American Airlines Plans For MAX Return, Recovery

https://aviationweek.com/shows-events/mro-transatlantic/american-airlines-plans-max-return-recovery
 
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Mon Nov 09, 2020 9:31 pm

Courtesy; Simple Flying

Air Canada cancels 10 737 Max aircraft

https://simpleflying.com/air-canada-a22 ... n=09112020
 
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Tue Nov 10, 2020 6:36 am

FAA ban to be lifted as early as next week, per various sources; I can confirm activity related to this as well.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN27Q00H
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