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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:32 am

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... nd=premium

Pilots from 3 US airlines in December after receiving instructions failed simulator tests. More training may be required than expected. This is a failure of the proposed training program, not of the pilots. Not good news.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:14 pm

Pretty much what was already known but just made "official" by house investigation. Ironically, I think the airlines couldn't care less about when it flies again based on the drop in demand for air travel.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/house-i ... rency.html
 
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Fri Mar 06, 2020 6:57 pm

piedmontf284000 wrote:
Pretty much what was already known but just made "official" by house investigation. Ironically, I think the airlines couldn't care less about when it flies again based on the drop in demand for air travel.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/06/house-i ... rency.html

Press release and report can be seen here. (hopefully mods will not delete this reference post as they did Calhoun NYT interview).
https://transportation.house.gov/news/p ... -findings-
https://transportation.house.gov/imo/me ... 202020.pdf

House summary:
'....The Committee’s investigation, as detailed in the preliminary findings, focuses on five main areas:
Production pressures on Boeing employees that jeopardized aviation safety;
Boeing’s faulty assumptions about critical technologies, most notably regarding the Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System, or MCAS;
Boeing’s concealment of crucial information from the FAA, its customers, and pilots;
Inherent conflicts of interest among authorized representatives, or ARs, who are Boeing employees authorized to perform certification work on behalf of the FAA; and
Boeing’s influence over the FAA’s oversight that resulted in FAA management rejecting safety concerns raised by the agency’s own technical experts at the behest of Boeing......'


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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Mar 07, 2020 8:41 pm

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN20S2SS

FAA Head Dickenson suggests Max Certification flights might be still "just a few weeks away" at an Aviation conference March 5th , as reported by Reuters and also NYT.
 
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:40 pm

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world/re ... spartanntp

Interim report on ET302 expected by Tuesday.

Promises to be interesting.

Key point will be how blame is parcelled out.
 
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Sun Mar 08, 2020 10:39 pm

WSJ reporting prelim FAA decision is in favour of wiring changes. TC also in favour of wiring changes.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/faa-poised ... 1583704341
No pay wall version.
https://www.marketscreener.com/BOEING-C ... -30127963/

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Mon Mar 09, 2020 2:35 pm

The Ethiopian report is out. Defective AOA sensor triggered the chain of events.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/ethiopia- ... -1.5490763
 
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Wed Mar 11, 2020 7:58 pm

Boeing intends to draw the full amount of their ~$14 billion loan and will institute a hiring freeze: https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-p ... 02730.html
 
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Stitch
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Thu Mar 12, 2020 5:06 pm

Boeing will perform the wiring bundle separation modification on all MAX airframes as part of the Return to Service process: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN20Y3E3
 
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Fri Mar 13, 2020 12:42 pm

Looks like the Feds are after Mark Forkner by interviewing FAA officials he dealt with and did not provide them with any information on MCAS.

Sorry...behind a paywall

https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-faa-of ... 1584052679
 
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Sat Mar 14, 2020 1:31 am

Transport Canada certified MAX in 2017 despite not getting answers from FAA / Boeing on MCAS questions posed in 2016

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/boeing ... -1.5492306
 
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Tue Mar 17, 2020 12:39 am

In spite of the title of the article, buried within the financial measures to deal with COVID-19, was an item that said Air Canada has concluded negotiations with Boeing on compensation for the MAX grounding:

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... -covid-19/

In its news release dated February 18, 2020, Air Canada disclosed that it was in discussions with Boeing to settle the terms of an arrangement in relation to the grounding of the Boeing 737 MAX aircraft. These discussions have now concluded, however, as the terms of the arrangement are subject to confidentiality restrictions, Air Canada will not be disclosing its terms.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Mar 25, 2020 3:08 am

Reports this evening of a restart in production in May, COVID-19 dependent.

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/24/boeing- ... s-say.html
 
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Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:25 pm

Leeham reported under Scott Hamilton's by-line:

Barring further issues, the FAA Type Inspection Authorization for the MAX is targeted for the second half of May, LNA learned.

This is a critical step in recertifying the airplane.

Also barring more unexpected events in a year filled with them, Boeing should resume production of the 737 MAX in May, LNA confirmed.
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Barring any upheavals, certification is now targeted for late June or early July. This timeline fits with Boeing’s plan to resume production in May, about two months ahead of certification. Parties hope for concurrent certification between the FAA, Europe’s EASA and Transport Canada.

Ref: https://leehamnews.com/2020/03/30/ponti ... arget-may/

Unfortunately he never says who he learned this from.
 
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Thu Apr 02, 2020 7:48 am

Boeing expected to announce voluntary buyouts to all employees (161000) today. No word where the reductions will occur.

Guess RTS on the 737MAX will not happen this year??


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -employees
 
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Thu Apr 02, 2020 3:23 pm

Scotron12 wrote:
Boeing expected to announce voluntary buyouts to all employees (161000) today. No word where the reductions will occur.

Guess RTS on the 737MAX will not happen this year??


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -employees


This Bloomberg Article (linked in yours) predicts a 1-3 month slip in RTS as a result of COVID-19.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... -challenge
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:49 pm

Just a reminder: This and the pinned coronavirus thread are not discussion threads. These threads are for news references only. Please discuss in the existing discussion thread.

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Apr 07, 2020 6:14 pm

The Seattle Times April 5 & 6 reported that Boeing, in the northwest, was extending the current shutdown indefinitely.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Apr 07, 2020 7:38 pm

SELMER40 wrote:
The Seattle Times April 5 & 6 reported that Boeing, in the northwest, was extending the current shutdown indefinitely.


https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... ronavirus/

Very bad news for all Boeing’s employees.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 4:37 am

2 new software issues, currently making updated, not expected to be big issue or effect RTS.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/boeing-m ... 47810.html
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 7:16 pm

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/04/14/boeing- ... rders.html

If cancellations go on at this rate over the next few months it doesn't look good for Boeing. They may have to take a really hard look at the MAX then.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:48 pm

Just a reminder, AGAIN, this thread is a news and reference thread ONLY, for discussion go to the 737MAX discussion and grounding thread
 
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Stitch
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:12 pm

Boeing is working on restarting commercial aircraft production by the end of next week: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/16/busi ... virus.html
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:35 pm

GE aircraft leasing unit cancels 69 737 MAX orders: https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2020/04 ... ax-ge.html
 
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Mon Apr 20, 2020 12:28 am

 
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danipawa
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 3:43 pm

ALAFCO Sues Boeing Over 737 MAX Order Cancellation

https://simpleflying.com/alafoc-sues-bo ... AuTY0TisSU
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 12:50 pm

Un-atributed Boeing source reported latest software fixes not yet accepted and RTS now August or later.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/news/b ... r-BB138TaL

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:19 am

CBS reporting fix late summer:
https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/04/24/boe ... virus.html

"Boeing still needs to complete two software updates and clear a number of other hurdles, including a recertification flight, before the Max can be cleared to return to commercial service."
 
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Tue Apr 28, 2020 4:28 pm

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/boein ... latestnews describes a WSJ report:

Boeing Co. BA, +0.57% faces criminal and civil scrutiny into years of widespread quality-control lapses on its 737 MAX assembly line, according to people familiar with the details, potentially exposing the plane maker to greater legal liability than previously anticipated by industry and government officials.

The inquiries build on a federal grand-jury investigation into hazardously designed flight-control systems, these people said. As part of the expanded probes, Justice Department prosecutors and federal air-safety regulators have been scrutinizing potentially significant safety problems stemming from 737 MAX production missteps, these people said.

So the well known DoJ/FBI probe starts off looking at the MAX design issues, and finds issues in quality control issues that justify "criminal and civil scrutiny" regarding "potentially significant safety problems stemming from 737 MAX production missteps".
 
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Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:38 pm

Hope springs eternal:

Boeing believes it will resume 737 Max deliveries in the third quarter of 2020, with chief executive David Calhoun saying the company is progressing well through certification work despite challenges posed by coronavirus.

We currently expect the necessary regulatory approval to allow Max deliveries in the third quarter,” Calhoun says on 29 April. “We are very confident that the process will conclude with the… certification.”

https://www.flightglobal.com/airframers ... 47.article
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 3:20 am

Boeing has announced that they have secured $25 billion via bond sales and will not seek funding from capital markets or the US Government at this time.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... -of-bonds/

(Posted here because those funds will help support 737MAX production resumption - discussion thread on this bond sale at viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1445491)
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Fri May 01, 2020 12:37 pm

Ryanair looking to capatilize while Boeing is reeling
https://simpleflying.com/ryanair-lookin ... -10-order/
 
beechnut
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sun May 03, 2020 4:36 pm

Haven't seen this posted yet. More bad news for the MAX:

Boeing’s Biggest 737 MAX Customer Slashes Aircraft Delivery Schedule

https://simpleflying.com/southwest-737- ... -schedule/

The 2021 delivery schedule slashed from 100 to 48.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 11:39 am

Spirit advising its Boeing order for 2020, I suspect if most have not already been delivered the others are probably in the plastic covers on their compound, in which case not much work left to do, so not much jobs coming back in the near term.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-spir ... SKBN22H32T
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Thu May 07, 2020 9:10 am

In announcing IAGs results, Willie Walsh reiterated that IAGs LOI for 200 737MAX remains in place.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... long-slump
 
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Wed May 13, 2020 6:11 pm

Gol announced yesterday in its April Investor Update that will receive BRL 2.4 billion (around USD 410 million) as compensation for the MAX problems and the restructuring of MAX's order. (sorry the source is only in portuguese)

https://www.aeroin.net/gol-recebera-r-2 ... e-pedidos/
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Wed May 13, 2020 6:28 pm

bkmbr wrote:
Gol announced yesterday in its April Investor Update that will receive BRL 2.4 billion (around USD 450 million) as compensation for the MAX problems and the restructuring of MAX's order. (sorry the source is only in portuguese)

https://www.aeroin.net/gol-recebera-r-2 ... e-pedidos/


English: https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN22P22F
 
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Sat May 16, 2020 2:00 am

Ethiopian expects 737MAX compensation to be finalised by end of June, it also has decided not to file a lawsuit against Boeing over the 737MAX crash

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boei ... SKBN22R1XA
 
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Wed May 20, 2020 3:31 pm

FAA response to 737 MAX crash report preserves Boeing’s big role in certifying its own planes

The Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) on Tuesday said it plans changes to how new airplane models are certified, but will preserve Boeing’s central role in that process — despite criticism that Boeing mistakes in certifying the 737 MAX allowed design flaws that killed 346 people in two crashes.


https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... wn-planes/

Link to 737MAX News Discussion Thread: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1445841
 
beechnut
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Wed May 20, 2020 5:02 pm

Air Canada Warms To A321LR After Cancelling 737 MAXs:

https://canadianaviationnews.wordpress. ... -737-maxs/
 
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Tue May 26, 2020 3:27 pm

Michael O'Leary is speaking on Bloomberg.

He says Boeing has been keeping him up to date.

He expects Joint FAA/EASA test flights in July.

RTS in North America Sep/Oct

Ryanair to receive first deliveries by Christmas.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 10:37 pm

morrisond wrote:
Michael O'Leary is speaking on Bloomberg.

He says Boeing has been keeping him up to date.

He expects Joint FAA/EASA test flights in July.

RTS in North America Sep/Oct

Ryanair to receive first deliveries by Christmas.

Article at https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... als-shrink is up.

Early Christmas present for FR and others whose NGs are getting past their prime.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 9:50 pm

Boeing resumes low-rate 737 MAX production today.

https://boeing.mediaroom.com/news-relea ... tem=130685
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 10:36 pm

Based on talks with suppliers, production plans are:

    Rate 21 for May and June (I am guessing using stocked resources)
    Rate 14 from July to December (more indicative of what suppliers can provide)
    Rate 21 starting in January 2021
    Rate 28 starting in June 2021
    Rate 35 by the end of 2021
    Rate 42 by the end of June 2022
    Rate 47 by the end of 2022
    Rate 52 by the end of 2023

Of course, actual results will depend on how demand is.

Source: https://www.bizjournals.com/seattle/new ... enton.html
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Jun 03, 2020 8:59 am

TUI Group has settled the MAX delays. It will include:
- financial compensation from the groundings
- new delivery schedule (new deliveries postponed by 2 years)

https://www.tuigroup.com/en-en/media/press-releases/2020/2020-06-03-tui-and-boeing-reach-comprehensive-agreement
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Wed Jun 03, 2020 3:28 pm

Just a reminder that this is a reference thread, similar to a news feed. Discussion belongs in other threads.

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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Thu Jun 11, 2020 2:47 pm

Something new (and not encouraging) regarding the MAX. Boeing tells Spirit to stop production of fuselages.

https://www.barrons.com/articles/boeing ... wqz0HKRd3g
 
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Sat Jun 13, 2020 2:05 pm

Seattle Times has reported In wake of 737 MAX crashes, Senate proposal would strengthen FAA oversight of Boeing plane designs

A proposed bill to tighten controls on how federal aviation safety regulators oversee and approve Boeing’s design of new jets has been hammered out by a Senate committee after backroom negotiations and a pressure campaign by families of the 346 people who died in two crashes of the 737 MAX.

If passed, the bill would reverse the years-long trend of delegating more and more control of the process to Boeing itself, and would shift the balance of oversight responsibility back toward the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

Commentary in main thread, please.
 
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Re: Boeing 737MAX Grounding News and Reference Thread 2020

Sun Jun 21, 2020 9:00 am

Another whistleblower steps forward with additional accusations against Boeing and allegations of flaws in 737MAX design.

https://www.seattletimes.com/business/b ... h-737-max/
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