dc855 wrote:morrisond wrote:Revelation wrote:I find people's willingness to re-fight this battle to be stunning.
It should be clear by now that different people have different ways of evaluating events.
Both FAA and Boeing have testified to Congress that MCAS put too much workload on the pilots. To me, such a statement opens questions of how Boeing evaluated the system and what Boeing expected of pilots. To others any discussion of such shifts blame away from Boeing and is "blaming the pilots".
To me, the JT crash report opens questions about how JT trains its pilots and how they would handle other kinds of failures that would require them to follow check lists correctly. To others any discussion of such shifts blame away from Boeing and is "blaming the pilots".
We could talk about this some more, but I doubt it'd shift anyone's position much if at all.
I agree with this. For JT they had no idea what MCAS was and Boeing made too many assumptions on how Pilot's would react. They did put too much workload on them.
However for ET - I still can't believe that any pilot would not have recognized it as an MCAS failure by that point and known the procedure they needed to know Cold to save the aircraft. The only plausible explanation I could believe is that they were never provided with it.
Why is that viewpoint so hard to understand?
I see your viewpoint but for me the blame lies entirely with the company that sold a dangerous machine to the airlines. Yes the ET pilots might perhaps been able to do a better job but they should never ever have been put in this situation. There are millions of pilots in the world of varying quality. The key thing is to engineer the equipment so that even the "least capable" pilots can handle it safely (not saying the ET ones were). Boeing obviously did not (for bad reasons!) and there lies the entirety of the blame.
So if there was a normal "Runaway Trim Failure" due to equipment failure they should not be expected to handle this either?
Great design is a noble goal - but Pilots need to have some basic skills as mechanical parts can fail as well.