TTailedTiger wrote:Interested wrote:TTailedTiger wrote:
I can agree that Boeing should have hit the brakes after the first crash. And had they been informed about the persistent issue with the aircraft then they may have been able to intervene. Sadly that didn't happen. My issue is that people are excusing poor airmanship and maintenance practices. There is enough blame for all three parties. We know first hand that a skilled crew was able to overcome the trim issues and land safely. It's a shame they didn't send out a mass email on their company intranet. We also know that the Ethiopian crew didn't follow procedure. And even as just a general aviation pilot, if I wrote up a plane with a serious maintenance issue I am going to demand proof that the work was completed and a test flight was performed before I take it up again. Why Lion Air pilots continued to accept an aircraft that had been written up multiple times for the same issue is mind blowing. You can sit there and put all the blame on Boeing but you are doing an incredible disservice to the flying public when you ignore the other issues. Both Boeing and Airbus are concerned with the lack of proper training in some nations. Why doesn't that concern you?
The aftermath of poor maintenance and poor flying is such a minor part in the bigger picture though
And something that great plane design and planning is supposed to try to deal with and overcome
Poor flight maintenance and poor flying is something we have to accept and plan for sadly
Great plane design and great safety callbacks and features can do their best to negate it
We all accept that Max is the exact opposite of a great plane design in its present form
Even the Boeing personnel involved in designing it knew that from an early stage
So I'm not sure what we really gain by talking about maintenance of pilot decisions good or bad. As they are such a small part in this problem in comparison?
Oh ok. So bad pilots and bad maintenance are a fact of life we must deal with but it is unacceptable to have a flawed aircraft design. Got it.
Yes that's exactly what I am saying and I would expect the new CEO of Boeing to agree with me
They are facts of life you have to build safety fallbacks in to cover
Anything involving human intervention anywhere in the world is prone to error and mistakes
Boeing have shown that themselves internally multiple times with decisions they have taken
It's a fact of life humans are error prone no matter how well trained they are
So products have to be designed to account and negate human error. Not just for safety but for all manner of reasons.
Boeing should realise more than anyone right now that they cannot afford design flaws as the consequences are catastrophic for human lives AND their profits