Unless of course you don't think Pilot's can be trained to counter a runaway trim and run a Runaway Trim NNC? That is a required Pilot skill of many type ratings.
I should not feed the troll but...
These quotes exist in various places but the AVweb article is asy to access https://www.avweb.com/insider/two-tragi ... -sim-time/
Boeing assumed that in the unlikely event that the system failed, pilots would be the last backstop to keep things from spinning out of control. But consider what the pilots of Ethiopian Airlines Flight 302 that crashed in March faced. The list included an active stick shaker inaccurately warning of an impending stall, an overspeed clacker, an aural “don’t sink” warning and several other disagree and warning lights. Sullenberger said he struggled to regain control in a simulator run mimicking the accident flight.
It's not a Runaway Trim NNC
In delivering his testimony, APA President Daniel Carey was blunt in brushing back a budding movement to blame the pilots. “I can tell you that the members of APA are offended by remarks made by those who seem to blame the pilots killed in those two crashes,” he said. “I am here to tell you that I worked in Africa and trained African pilots to fly large aircraft. I am very familiar with Ethiopian Air’s pilot training program and facilities, and I can tell you that they are world-class,” he added.
I think it's sad that you, who seems to have little experience (C172 but you don't say if that's XPlane or FSX...), needs to be so critical of the pilots who are firstly - not here to defend themselves and secondly, pretty much everybody of any stature has understood that it is not a pilot problem, it's an aircraft problem.
Anyway, I'm out of here
Yes it a Runaway Trim NNC as per ET's own procedures as seen in the ET302 Preliminary report - if these symptoms happen - run this checklist - See pages 28-33 https://leehamnews.com/wp-content/uploa ... ET-AVJ.pdf
And when have I ever said there wasn't a problem with the aircraft? Or are you one of those who deny that there was anything wrong with Lionair maintenance or at the FAA as well and there is only issues at Boeing?
Please stop accusing me of blaming the Pilot's I am blaming ET's training system as my post from this morning demonstrates.
"From this article - Scroll down past the damning Maintenance issues at ET to get to the training Part https://www.businessinsider.com/boeing- ... er-2019-10
"Another whistleblower from Ethiopian, veteran pilot Bernd Kai von Hoesslin, told the AP in May that after Indonesia's Lion Air crash, he pleaded with Ethiopian's top executives to give pilots better training on the Max, predicting that if pilots are not sufficiently drilled on Boeing's protocols for how to disable the autopilot system in the event of a misfire, "it will be a crash for sure."
Ethiopian has said the pilots followed all the steps Boeing laid out. But the preliminary report on the crash showed they deviated from the directives and made other mistakes, notably flying the plane at an unusually high speed and inexplicably reactivating the anti-stall system shortly after manually overriding it. Six minutes into the Max flight, the plane with passengers from nearly a dozen countries cratered into the ground about 40 miles from the airport."
From AVHerald https://avherald.com/h?article=4c534c4a
"On Apr 11th 2019 The Aviation Herald received a full copy of the Flight Operations Manual (FOM), Revision 18B released on Nov 30th 2018, which is currently being used by Ethiopian Airlines (verified in April 2019 to be current). Although Boeing had issued an operator's bulletin on Nov 6th 2018, which was put into Emergency Airworthiness Directive 2018-23-51 dated Nov 7th 2018 requiring the stab trim runaway procedure to be incorporated into the FOM ahead of the sign off of this version of the FOM (the entire document is on file but not available for publishing), there is no trace of such an addition in the entire 699 pages of the FOM.
Quite the opposite, in section 2.6 of the FOM "Operational Irregularities" the last revision is provided as Revision 18 dated "Nov 1st 2017".
According to information The Aviation Herald had received in March 2019, the Airline Management needed to be reminded to distribute the Boeing Operator's Bulletin as well as the EAD to their pilots, eventually the documents were distributed to the flight crew. However, it was never verified, whether those documents had arrived, were read or had been understood. No deeper explanation of the MCAS, mentioned but not explained in both documents, was offered.
It turned out, that only very cursory knowledge about the stab trim runaway procedure exists amongst the flight crew of Ethiopian Airlines even 5 months after the EAD was distributed. In particular, none of the conditions suggesting an MCAS related stab trim runaway was known with any degree of certainty. In that context the recommendation by the accident flight's first officer to use the TRIM CUTOUT switches suggests, that he was partially aware of the contents of the EAD and reproduced some but not all of the provisions and not all of the procedure, which may or may not explain some of the obvious omissions in following the procedure in full."
The references speak for themselves. I'll just keep posting this whenever someone else insinuates I'm a liar and making this stuff up.
As I've said I am not blaming the pilots - I am blaming the ET training system that seems to have done a terrible job of instructing there Pilots on how to deal with MCAS."
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