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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 8:43 pm

QF8 double diversion to NAN and AKL, presumably fuel in NAN and then crew hours, so I’d imagine it won’t arrive SYD till late afternoon at a guess bu the time a new crew arrives. A380 VH-OQJ
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 10:20 pm

Interesting email from velocity. Looks like lots of economy lite / basic fares are coming to virgin, with reduced points. Currently international but I wonder if it creeps into domestic. Anyone know any more?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 2:31 am

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Interesting email from velocity. Looks like lots of economy lite / basic fares are coming to virgin, with reduced points. Currently international but I wonder if it creeps into domestic. Anyone know any more?

It's possible but VA has been smart in that the basic fare affects on-ground service so it is not like cabin crew need to work out who is entitled to meals/drinks and who is not. The principle differences concern luggage allowances and points earn. For US services, the change has meant basic fares are entitled to one bag rather than 2. For domestic, I'd assume any change would be the change from 1 checked bag to nil; once again, meaning there is no issue for crew onboard in discerning which passenger is which.

At the same time as this new basic fare is introduced, VA is also significantly boosting the points and status credits earned by those on Elevate fares (mid-level between sale and flexible).
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:04 am

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QF8 double diversion to NAN and AKL, presumably fuel in NAN and then crew hours, so I’d imagine it won’t arrive SYD till late afternoon at a guess bu the time a new crew arrives. A380 VH-OQJ


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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 9:36 am

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Interesting email from velocity. Looks like lots of economy lite / basic fares are coming to virgin, with reduced points. Currently international but I wonder if it creeps into domestic. Anyone know any more?


Not just VA, DL are doing it too on their SYD-LAX flight, so regardless whether you book on each other's codeshares etc, there is the equivalent basic fare on both carriers.

I hope VA don't go down the path of having carry on only fares domestically, it just creates more work for the cabin crew with everyone trying to squeeze everything in to a narrowbody's overhead bins.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 10:20 am

Obzerva wrote:
redroo wrote:
Interesting email from velocity. Looks like lots of economy lite / basic fares are coming to virgin, with reduced points. Currently international but I wonder if it creeps into domestic. Anyone know any more?


Not just VA, DL are doing it too on their SYD-LAX flight, so regardless whether you book on each other's codeshares etc, there is the equivalent basic fare on both carriers.

I hope VA don't go down the path of having carry on only fares domestically, it just creates more work for the cabin crew with everyone trying to squeeze everything in to a
narrowbody's overhead bins.
Save that game for JQ and TT.


I immediately assumed that this was to maintain alignment with Delta.

As for domestic services, it is notable that they have offered seat-only fares in the past, along with Flexi fares that offered more than the current "snack". I think it is very likely that they will move back in that direction again. Right now there isn't enough differentiation between VA and JQ/TT.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 11:09 am

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Just read on another forum.

I’d say this is a BA/QR Joint Venture?

ACCC receives application for authorisation from British Airways and Qatar Airways

Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) received (16-Jan-2020) an application for authorisation from British Airways and Qatar Airways on 06-Jan-2020, seeking authorisation to coordinate air passenger services on nine routes between Australia and the UK. The nine routes are between Adelaide, Canberra, Melbourne and Perth and the UK, via Doha. The Australia-Doha segment of the routes are currently serviced by Qatar Airways but not British Airways. The Proposed Conduct may involve coordination in relation to scheduling, capacity, revenue planning, joint pricing, sales and marketing activities, service parameters and standards, joint procurement of goods and services and frequent flyer programmes. The carriers also requested interim authorisation to allow them to commence the proposed conduct as soon as possible. A final determination is scheduled for Apr/May-2020.

https://blueswandaily.com/accc-receives-application-for-authorisation-from-british-airways-and-qatar-airways/




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Do they need this authorisation to simply codeshare? Or is it an indicator they’re planning to implement something more substantial.

QR already sells BAs DOH-LHR flight as one of their own, I booked on it a few years ago connecting from MEL as I saved $100 over the pure QR options, even with BAs extortionate seat selection fee. Thankfully the BA flight was cancelled due cabin crew strikes and I got placed on an earlier QR flight. Still a little peeved BA refused to refund the seat selection fee, possibly loosing a customer for life over that one.


BA already codeshares on QR services from Western Europe to Australia. You can already book MAN-DOH-MEL on QR metal through BA as a codeshare. This approval would seem to allow for more extensive co-operation such as co-ordination of fares, as BA and QR already do on another joint-business routes to Africa and Asia.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 12:47 pm

December OTP figures reveal some of the worse ever recorded

Arrivals

JQ 64.7%
QF 70.8%
QantasLink 78.7%
Rex 80%
TT 69.3%
VA 73.9%
VARA 78%

Departures

JQ 62.8%
QF 71.3%
QantasLink 78.7%
Rex 84.3%
TT 71.9%
VA 76.2%
VARA 79.8%

JQ recorded a cancellation rate of 7.1% of all flights operated

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... r_2019.pdf
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sat Jan 25, 2020 7:52 pm

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December OTP figures reveal some of the worse ever recorded

Arrivals

JQ 64.7%
QF 70.8%
QantasLink 78.7%
Rex 80%
TT 69.3%
VA 73.9%
VARA 78%

Departures

JQ 62.8%
QF 71.3%
QantasLink 78.7%
Rex 84.3%
TT 71.9%
VA 76.2%
VARA 79.8%

JQ recorded a cancellation rate of 7.1% of all flights operated

https://www.bitre.gov.au/sites/default/ ... r_2019.pdf


JQ did have the industrial action during December which would've affected that cancellation rate and OTP. Otherwise everyone was pretty crappy, would expect the amount of smoke along the east coast wouldn't have helped that much.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 10:44 am

I noted that QF 37 today took a scenic tour of Port Philip Bay for an hour before returning to MEL. Any idea of the reason?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Sun Jan 26, 2020 12:54 pm

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I noted that QF 37 today took a scenic tour of Port Philip Bay for an hour before returning to MEL. Any idea of the reason?


Landing gear wouldn't retract from what I heard.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:16 am

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Obzerva wrote:
redroo wrote:
Interesting email from velocity. Looks like lots of economy lite / basic fares are coming to virgin, with reduced points. Currently international but I wonder if it creeps into domestic. Anyone know any more?


Not just VA, DL are doing it too on their SYD-LAX flight, so regardless whether you book on each other's codeshares etc, there is the equivalent basic fare on both carriers.

I hope VA don't go down the path of having carry on only fares domestically, it just creates more work for the cabin crew with everyone trying to squeeze everything in to a
narrowbody's overhead bins.
Save that game for JQ and TT.


I immediately assumed that this was to maintain alignment with Delta.

As for domestic services, it is notable that they have offered seat-only fares in the past, along with Flexi fares that offered more than the current "snack". I think it is very likely that they will move back in that direction again. Right now there isn't enough differentiation between VA and JQ/TT.
think this could lead to end of kids fares long haul + forward leisure bookings must had died with Coronavirus. Many will wait & see how it plays out. Not good news for any airline
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:50 am

Another last chance to see a 744 into BNE anyone ?

QF76/27JAN (the YVR SYD service) will be diverting to BNE.

It will have the very early arrival of approx 0410LT into BNE. Departing BNE 0510LT. No pax coming off, it is just a 'splash and dash'

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 10:06 am

Looking at TG’s schedule, it appears the return if the 788 to PER has been delayed/canned; sticking with the A333.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:13 am

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Looking at TG’s schedule, it appears the return if the 788 to PER has been delayed/canned; sticking with the A333.


Has been canned.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-24jan20/
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:00 am

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Another last chance to see a 744 into BNE anyone ?

QF76/27JAN (the YVR SYD service) will be diverting to BNE.

It will have the very early arrival of approx 0410LT into BNE. Departing BNE 0510LT. No pax coming off, it is just a 'splash and dash'

Rego VH-OEF


OEF then subbed an A330 on QF145/148 SYD-AKL, probably it’s final time to AKL.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:18 am

ZK-NBT wrote:
FL420FT wrote:
Another last chance to see a 744 into BNE anyone ?

QF76/27JAN (the YVR SYD service) will be diverting to BNE.

It will have the very early arrival of approx 0410LT into BNE. Departing BNE 0510LT. No pax coming off, it is just a 'splash and dash'

Rego VH-OEF


OEF then subbed an A330 on QF145/148 SYD-AKL, probably it’s final time to AKL.


Most likely due to EBL being stuck in PER for the past 2 days
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:20 am

Qantas could axe SYD-PEK earlier than expected due to Coronavirus

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-qant ... SKBN1ZS0DA
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:05 am

With the recent diversions for flights from North America to the East Coat due to strong winds, I'm keen to understand in laymans terms what constitutes strong winds vs. normal that requires an aircraft to divert on a route it normally does relatively easily . There must be some really exceptional headwinds at the moment?
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:12 am

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With the recent diversions for flights from North America to the East Coat due to strong winds, I'm keen to understand in laymans terms what constitutes strong winds vs. normal that requires an aircraft to divert on a route it normally does relatively easily . There must be some really exceptional headwinds at the moment?


Even on the Tasman for the last couple of weeks, I done an few trips this month. Most of them have struggled to cull much time from the offical flight time.

Usually you can knock 20-40minutes off across the Tasman on an good day.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:16 am

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Looking at TG’s schedule, it appears the return if the 788 to PER has been delayed/canned; sticking with the A333.


Has been canned.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-24jan20/


Thank you! And thanks for the very handy site :)
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:46 am

The Australian Government are supposedly going to charter a Qantas 747 to evacuate Australian citizens from Wuhan to Christmas Island for quarantine.
This poses a few questions:
- Can a 747 be operated in and out of Christmas Island (XCH/YPXM)?
- If it cannot, where does the plane fly to on the mainland?
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:19 am

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The Australian Government are supposedly going to charter a Qantas 747 to evacuate Australian citizens from Wuhan to Christmas Island for quarantine.
This poses a few questions:
- Can a 747 be operated in and out of Christmas Island (XCH/YPXM)?
- If it cannot, where does the plane fly to on the mainland?



Saw this on SMH

"In a series of meetings on Wednesday afternoon, Qantas and the government grappled with the operational hurdles to get the Australians out of the city. Qantas has never flown to Wuhan and it will need to receive clearance from the closed airport to put up to 400 Australians on a Boeing-747 – the largest plane it has available.

The design of Christmas Island's runway, which is not grooved, also means it can not land on the island with a full passenger load. The airline is considering landing the larger plane at an airport on the Australian mainland and then seeking government co-operation to transfer passengers onto smaller aircraft to the detention centre."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53vue.html
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 11:57 am

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rtav wrote:
The Australian Government are supposedly going to charter a Qantas 747 to evacuate Australian citizens from Wuhan to Christmas Island for quarantine.
This poses a few questions:
- Can a 747 be operated in and out of Christmas Island (XCH/YPXM)?
- If it cannot, where does the plane fly to on the mainland?



Saw this on SMH

"In a series of meetings on Wednesday afternoon, Qantas and the government grappled with the operational hurdles to get the Australians out of the city. Qantas has never flown to Wuhan and it will need to receive clearance from the closed airport to put up to 400 Australians on a Boeing-747 – the largest plane it has available.

The design of Christmas Island's runway, which is not grooved, also means it can not land on the island with a full passenger load. The airline is considering landing the larger plane at an airport on the Australian mainland and then seeking government co-operation to transfer passengers onto smaller aircraft to the detention centre."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53vue.html


What is the closest Australian airport to XCH that can take a fully loaded 747?
Anything closer than PER?
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:35 pm

Would this type of operation not be better suited to RAAF A330s rather than civil airlines
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:15 pm

Obzerva wrote:
flyinghighboy wrote:
rtav wrote:
The Australian Government are supposedly going to charter a Qantas 747 to evacuate Australian citizens from Wuhan to Christmas Island for quarantine.
This poses a few questions:
- Can a 747 be operated in and out of Christmas Island (XCH/YPXM)?
- If it cannot, where does the plane fly to on the mainland?



Saw this on SMH

"In a series of meetings on Wednesday afternoon, Qantas and the government grappled with the operational hurdles to get the Australians out of the city. Qantas has never flown to Wuhan and it will need to receive clearance from the closed airport to put up to 400 Australians on a Boeing-747 – the largest plane it has available.

The design of Christmas Island's runway, which is not grooved, also means it can not land on the island with a full passenger load. The airline is considering landing the larger plane at an airport on the Australian mainland and then seeking government co-operation to transfer passengers onto smaller aircraft to the detention centre."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53vue.html


What is the closest Australian airport to XCH that can take a fully loaded 747?
Anything closer than PER?

I’d think RAAF Learmonth/Exmouth would be the closest.
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:28 pm

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Saw this on SMH

"In a series of meetings on Wednesday afternoon, Qantas and the government grappled with the operational hurdles to get the Australians out of the city. Qantas has never flown to Wuhan and it will need to receive clearance from the closed airport to put up to 400 Australians on a Boeing-747 – the largest plane it has available.

The design of Christmas Island's runway, which is not grooved, also means it can not land on the island with a full passenger load. The airline is considering landing the larger plane at an airport on the Australian mainland and then seeking government co-operation to transfer passengers onto smaller aircraft to the detention centre."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53vue.html


What is the closest Australian airport to XCH that can take a fully loaded 747?
Anything closer than PER?

I’d think RAAF Learmonth/Exmouth would be the closest.


While LEA is closer its not practical given the circumstances
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:02 pm

Obzerva wrote:
flyinghighboy wrote:
rtav wrote:
The Australian Government are supposedly going to charter a Qantas 747 to evacuate Australian citizens from Wuhan to Christmas Island for quarantine.
This poses a few questions:
- Can a 747 be operated in and out of Christmas Island (XCH/YPXM)?
- If it cannot, where does the plane fly to on the mainland?



Saw this on SMH

"In a series of meetings on Wednesday afternoon, Qantas and the government grappled with the operational hurdles to get the Australians out of the city. Qantas has never flown to Wuhan and it will need to receive clearance from the closed airport to put up to 400 Australians on a Boeing-747 – the largest plane it has available.

The design of Christmas Island's runway, which is not grooved, also means it can not land on the island with a full passenger load. The airline is considering landing the larger plane at an airport on the Australian mainland and then seeking government co-operation to transfer passengers onto smaller aircraft to the detention centre."

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53vue.html


What is the closest Australian airport to XCH that can take a fully loaded 747?
Anything closer than PER?


PER would probably be the most practical. DRW could also be used however its about 100nm further than PER and given the operation requirements from PER to XCH, DRW would be worse. Though XCH has about a 4 hr block time for PER at least 6 hrs of fuel needs to be carried, 45 mins holding plus enough to get to the diversion airport being CGK. I would think Border Force or whatever its called these days would need to play a large part if a transfer took place, hence why I think LEA is not the best option.

Transferring passengers from 1 aircraft to another could be done on the 160 bays at T1, I would imagine they would want to keep passengers away from the terminal and probably best way to do it. Even operating say 737s to XCH presents challenges, highly likely that some passengers will end up on XCH with their bags left in PER, perhaps up to 25% of passengers. Once the total weight of bags gets over the 4000kg mark bags start to be left behind. Given that this is all these passengers are coming from China a fully loaded 737 with bags could weigh 5000kg plus on international bag weights.

Operating from PER allows them to be able to crew the flights PER-XCH-PER without requiring change in crews. QF could operate the flights late afternoon so it doesn't impact other schedules, perhaps it would affect some planned line maintenance. I guess other questions are what precautions for ground crews and flight/cabin crew need to take, does QF need to take additional steps in cleaning aircraft after passengers are off and how do these passengers get back to Australia after their quarantine period. Do more charters get added as schedule flights by VA would take weeks to clear since it is only operated twice a week, not to mention the route also serves CCK as well
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:21 pm

If available, why not run two flights with an A330? Swap the 744 onto the scheduled A330 run for a couple of days?

BTW politically, its going to be interesting to see what Australians think of the accomodations at Christmas Island...

EDIT: Looks like people are not even keen to go to Christmas island. Interesting that they would prefer to stay in a place with a risky flu virus than go to one of our immigration centres....
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:29 pm

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If available, why not run two flights with an A330? Swap the 744 onto the scheduled A330 run for a couple of days?

BTW politically, its going to be interesting to see what Australians think of the accomodations at Christmas Island...

EDIT: Looks like people are not even keen to go to Christmas island. Interesting that they would prefer to stay in a place with a risky flu virus than go to one of our immigration centres....


Another reason why I think they will operate via the mainland, I am pretty sure they don't have deckloaders on XCH, so how would they get the luggage off a widebody. Also I would think the A330 would run into similar issues to the 747. XCH is also a challenging airport to land it, the airport is located towards the top of a hill and the runway has a 2% gradient. Also this time of year the airport is susceptible to low cloud and the airport, visual only no IFR

Also this may be of interest to some, a year ago VA conducted a review on XCH and CCK flights, the following presents some of the challenges that face flying to XCH

https://www.regional.gov.au/territories ... tralia.pdf
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:02 am

China Eastern to reduce Australian services

Both SYD and MEL to PVG down from 14 to 10 weekly
BNE-PVG down from 7 to 4 weekly
SYD-HGH suspended
SYD-WUH-XIY suspended

Routes being trimmed due to shortfall of aircraft, require aircraft to serve new routes out of Beijing Daxing and to cover shortfall in domestic market

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:06 am

Its certainly an interesting one.
I would have thought the governments/RAAF A330s/ 737 or skytraders A319 more suitable. I cant see CGK being a suitable alternate in the circumstances either. Id imagine Indonesia would be hesitant to let anybody deplane in the event of a divert.
I can actually see LEA potentially being used as its the closest suitable alternate and is a RAAF facility as opposed to a civilian airport. I wouldnt be surprised if QF use A320s to shuttle to the Island
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:39 am

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Its certainly an interesting one.
I would have thought the governments/RAAF A330s/ 737 or skytraders A319 more suitable. I cant see CGK being a suitable alternate in the circumstances either. Id imagine Indonesia would be hesitant to let anybody deplane in the event of a divert.
I can actually see LEA potentially being used as its the closest suitable alternate and is a RAAF facility as opposed to a civilian airport. I wouldnt be surprised if QF use A320s to shuttle to the Island


Learmonth is a civilian airport located on the RAAF base and serves the town of Exmouth. QantasLink have multiple daily flight there.
 
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 1:45 am

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China Eastern to reduce Australian services

Both SYD and MEL to PVG down from 14 to 10 weekly
BNE-PVG down from 7 to 4 weekly
SYD-HGH suspended
SYD-WUH-XIY suspended

Routes being trimmed due to shortfall of aircraft, require aircraft to serve new routes out of Beijing Daxing and to cover shortfall in domestic market

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights


Given that this covers March 29 to October 25 (i.e. IATA Summer season) 10x SYD/MEL-PVG and 4x BNE-PVG is the same schedule they flew for the corresponding period last year, and they intend to relaunch SYD-WUH on March 29 with the same frequency as before.

This is a bit of a non-story as the cancellation of SYD-HGH is the only actual change.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:24 am

ABC News thinks the 747 mock up at RAAF Pearce is real: https://mobile.abc.net.au/news/2020-01- ... h/11914810
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:42 am

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Its certainly an interesting one.
I would have thought the governments/RAAF A330s/ 737 or skytraders A319 more suitable.


The A330 MRTT's could do the job, but I think it must be that China is not allowing foreign military aircraft to evacuate citizens.

Both US/UK nationals were evacuated via commercially chartered aircraft as well, and both those countries have military aircraft that could also do the job. So I think this is just Chinese requirements.

Australia is still trying to negotiate permission to carry out the evacuation.
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:56 am

So those wanting to be evacuated will need to fork out $1,000 and will need to sign a waiver that allows the Govt to quarantine them for 14 days on Christmas Island.

The $1,000 is a bit steep but I guess it also covers bed and board for 2 weeks on a tropical island :duck:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53w71.html
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:02 am

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So those wanting to be evacuated will need to fork out $1,000 and will need to sign a waiver that allows the Govt to quarantine them for 14 days on Christmas Island.

The $1,000 is a bit steep but I guess it also covers bed and board for 2 weeks on a tropical island :duck:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53w71.html

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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:09 am

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China Eastern to reduce Australian services

Both SYD and MEL to PVG down from 14 to 10 weekly
BNE-PVG down from 7 to 4 weekly
SYD-HGH suspended
SYD-WUH-XIY suspended

Routes being trimmed due to shortfall of aircraft, require aircraft to serve new routes out of Beijing Daxing and to cover shortfall in domestic market

https://www.executivetraveller.com/news ... ne-flights


Given that this covers March 29 to October 25 (i.e. IATA Summer season) 10x SYD/MEL-PVG and 4x BNE-PVG is the same schedule they flew for the corresponding period last year, and they intend to relaunch SYD-WUH on March 29 with the same frequency as before.

This is a bit of a non-story as the cancellation of SYD-HGH is the only actual change.


The MU website shows no BNE flights operating after 28MAR until 01NOV.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:29 am

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The MU website shows no BNE flights operating after 28MAR until 01NOV.


So looking into it in some more detail, BNE-PVG is loaded into the GDS at 4x but with 0 inventory (which is why it won't show online, there are no seats available). Zero inventory could indicate the route is been canned but not yet removed from the GDS, or it could be a loading issue. Normally I'd be inclined to think the route was been cut, but since they have just announced that it is being operated 4x (as reported by AusBT) I think this is probably an error.

SYD-PVG and MEL-PVG are loaded at 10x with inventory available on all services (7x 359 plus 3x 789 SYD-PVG; 10x 789 MEL-PVG).
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:40 am

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So those wanting to be evacuated will need to fork out $1,000 and will need to sign a waiver that allows the Govt to quarantine them for 14 days on Christmas Island.

The $1,000 is a bit steep but I guess it also covers bed and board for 2 weeks on a tropical island :duck:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53w71.html


Sounds like some Australians, may get the chance to get stuck on another Island in an Hotel. The level of accommodation might be better value, bu the climate on the other hand..

The Government will charter an Air New Zealand aircraft to assist Kiwis leaving coronavirus hit Wuhan, Foreign Minister Winston Peters says.

The aircraft will have capacity for around 300 passengers and will fly from the Chinese city to New Zealand. Any seats not taken by Kiwis would be offered to Pacific Island and Australian citizens as a matter of priority, Peters said.

The news comes as health officials announced they were still working on plans of where to quarantine the evacuees, and were considering using hotels.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/health/119149772/coronavirus-no-coronavirus-cases-in-new-zealand-as-plans-to-evacuate-kiwis-from-wuhan-still-to-come
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 8:52 am

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The MU website shows no BNE flights operating after 28MAR until 01NOV.


So looking into it in some more detail, BNE-PVG is loaded into the GDS at 4x but with 0 inventory (which is why it won't show online, there are no seats available). Zero inventory could indicate the route is been canned but not yet removed from the GDS, or it could be a loading issue. Normally I'd be inclined to think the route was been cut, but since they have just announced that it is being operated 4x (as reported by AusBT) I think this is probably an error.

SYD-PVG and MEL-PVG are loaded at 10x with inventory available on all services (7x 359 plus 3x 789 SYD-PVG; 10x 789 MEL-PVG).


I doubt it's a loading issue- BNE hasn't been available for 2 weeks now and the local sales manager and regional manager would both be screaming down the phone to SHA to resolve it ASAP. I suspect the flights are going seasonal, but for some reason it's not being announced.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 10:49 am

Thoughts on how the Coronavirus will affect the PVG-PER trial (beyond terrible timing for the WA govt)?

Although these obvious extenuating circumstances will be heavily biasing results of the trial, I now just can't see extension of the route....
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:08 pm

If QF are helping the Australian Govt with a charter flight to return Australians from Wuhan, there has been no movement of the aircraft to prepare for this mission.

Why wouldn’t they position a 744 and crew to SIN or some other suitable stopover point so they are ready to go?

They won’t want to leave crew in Wuhan, and they can’t operate SYD-WUH-XCH. The crew will need to be rested in some other location before operating to WUH and onto XCH.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:19 pm

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If QF are helping the Australian Govt with a charter flight to return Australians from Wuhan, there has been no movement of the aircraft to prepare for this mission.

Why wouldn’t they position a 744 and crew to SIN or some other suitable stopover point so they are ready to go?

They won’t want to leave crew in Wuhan, and they can’t operate SYD-WUH-XCH. The crew will need to be rested in some other location before operating to WUH and onto XCH.


The Australian government hasn't even reached an agreement with the Chinese government yet. It might not even happen.

Once approval is received it would still be something like 2 days before the mission occurs so that DFAT have time to contact as many people as possible, figure out who will be evacuated etc. so I'd expect something like this:

Day 1: Approval received
Day 2: Set of crew DH to HKG on a regular commercial flight
Day 3: SYD-HKG, change crew, HKG-WUH-LEA
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:49 pm

Any bets on using the BNE based HiFly A340 chartered to the RAAF or is it definitely QF?

I'm surprised Christmas Island is being used for Australian citizens... seems a little.... extreme. Then again, maybe DFAT wanted to use Nauru, but the optics didn't look as good...
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 12:49 pm

Somethig about these evacuations doesn't seem, I dunno, right?

What will happen to the interior of the 747? Will it be scrubbed down and disinfected? Will it be parked until the possibility of a transferable virus on external surface had expired? And the crew - how will they be protected and treated post arrival?

It seems a little hysterical so far. Last year nearly 200 Australians died of influenza. I don't recall a mass panic.
 
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Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:02 pm

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Somethig about these evacuations doesn't seem, I dunno, right?

What will happen to the interior of the 747? Will it be scrubbed down and disinfected? Will it be parked until the possibility of a transferable virus on external surface had expired? And the crew - how will they be protected and treated post arrival?

It seems a little hysterical so far. Last year nearly 200 Australians died of influenza. I don't recall a mass panic.


Today TT ended up taking an aircraft out of service to deep clean the aircraft after it was revealed a passenger on board has been confirmed with a case. A second passenger who was part of a travel group with the first passenger has also been confirmed as Queensland's second case tonight. The products used on aircraft for cleaning are specifically designed for aircraft and I doubt the products themselves will be effective against the strain as most conventional cleaning products that would be normal used in your home or workplace wouldn't kill it either. I would expect in QF's case it would be given a through clean as a precautionary measure once the aircraft gets back to Sydney.

https://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-u ... 292303ab59

Going off the 5 page memo I read from VA today on the virus. As aircraft use about 50% outside air and 50% recycled filtered, recycled air they are 99.9% effective of catching airborne microbes in the filtered air. The recirculated air employs HEPA filters which have similar performance to that of keeping air clean in places such as hospital operating theatres. Aircraft are being stocked with additional PPE and if a passenger presents with symptoms where possible a lav should be blocked off for the unwell passenger. The virus itself spreads through human contact so things such as regular hand washing and sanitising are main focus points to help minimise the spread of the virus, keep your distance from those presenting with symptoms
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Re: Australian Aviation Thread - January 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 2:04 pm

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So those wanting to be evacuated will need to fork out $1,000 and will need to sign a waiver that allows the Govt to quarantine them for 14 days on Christmas Island.

The $1,000 is a bit steep but I guess it also covers bed and board for 2 weeks on a tropical island :duck:

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal ... 53w71.html


The other catch is once the 14 day quarantine period is over they will be flown to PER, from there they will have to find their own way home
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