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Re: Carribbean Aviation Thread 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:23 pm

caribny wrote:
AEROFAN wrote:
ryby92 wrote:


Caribbean 484 - it's useless trying to use reason and logic as clearly only the blue lens is working. It is obvious the FLL has underperformed for B6 whether some will admit it or not. If B6 has such a cost advantage why then is it that they have performed so poorly in FLL to the extent that they have to cut back. A handful of people going to shop is hardly enough to fill up the plane. and unlike NY the population of Barbadians and Trinis in So FL is too tiny to rely on O&D traffic. I give them full credit wrt NY.

But let's wait for the A220 to show up.



By same token, AA which was the incumbent and entrenched in the JFKBGI, market should not have been run out of that market. Yet B6 did run them out. And during some seasonal times, that market can have up to 4 flights per day.
Given enough time, FLL ops will be just as profitable. For the last two years I have taken B6 to BGI from the DC area using FLL as the connecting point. I just wish B6 would stick to a proper time...



AA made a decision to reduce its JFK Caribbean flights and BGI was part of this. B6 is way more established amongst the NY areas travelers to the Caribbean than they are out of SoFL.


AA got run out of the JFK Caribbean market pretty much. They tucked tail and ran from JFKBGI after being on the route for well over 20 years.
 
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Re: Carribbean Aviation Thread 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:16 am

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484 Correct. Prior to AA removing the BGI flight B6 only managed 1 A320 flight a day. Only after AA stopped did they increase it to two. Had AA remained on the route they probably will still be at one flight a day. And while they are strong to NY clearly they were no match to SoFl, though some seem to have a very hard time accepting that fact.

if you look at the bigger picture B6 is essentially just a NY and lesser extent Boston airline with respect to BGI. Hard for them to command a corporate traveler from who must travel on a global basis.


AA clearly made a decision to pull out of every JFK route where B6 was the competitor. The only exception was the higher yielding ANU route. BGI was quite low yielding and so was part of the overall pull down.

They have recently restarted JFK MBJ. I suspect because they sell a lot of their packages, given that this is a mass market all inclusive destination which lends itself to that, so while they mightn't earn on the seat they do from the package. I doubt that AA is going back to JFK KIN or JFK POS. We will see how long they last on the JFK GEO once B6 joins the pack in a few months.

It isn't that B6 drove AA away. Its that AA just didn't want to be there on the JFK BGI, just as they didn't into PR and DR, both the largest markets out of the NY area. Fares on the JFK BGI was significantly lower than on the JFK ANU.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:18 am

Btw AA is filling its seats on the JFK GEO through sales via Travelspan. Given their reputation I wonder how long AA will tolerate them.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:13 am

A Magnitude 7.7 earthquake struck beneath the Caribbean between Cuba & Jamaica on Tuesday, 28 January. How did this earthquake & any of its aftershocks affect flight ops in the region?
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 3:17 pm

$1.2B for new, modern Tobago airport

A total of $1.2 billion will be spent on the construction of a new airport terminal in Tobago, along with an upgrade of existing facilities and the acquisition of land in Crown Point to complete the expansion.

At the contract signing ceremony for the ANR Robinson International Airport Expansion Project on Tuesday, Finance Minister Colm Imbert gave a broad breakdown of the costs involved.

He revealed that TT$36 million would be spent to upgrade the existing airport terminal while the new terminal would cost TT$870 million. Some $300 million has been allocated by Government for the acquisition of 53 acres of land between Store Bay Local Road and the airport perimeter fence in the Bon Accord area.

The project, which was awarded to China Railway Construction Caribbean Ltd, is expected to take a year to be completed - four months for design and 20 months for construction.

Imbert said China Railway’s bid was the only compliant bid at the end of the tendering process. He said Government is satisfied it is getting value for money as the bid was in line with the engineers’ estimated construction cost.

Regarding the land acquisition process, the Finance Minister said ACQ and Associates is negotiating and settling with tenants on behalf of the State. He assured that residents will be compensated “in a timely manner”.

The airport expansion project will include the development of a new terminal building with associated airside and landside infrastructure.

The operations of the existing building will be maintained during this period to avoid any disruption to the services currently being provided.

Imbert assured that this would mean an improvement in the current quality of service provided.

Meanwhile, Tobago House of Assembly Chief Secretary Kelvin Charles said the new terminal building was a critical and transformational piece, “indispensable” in revitalising tourism in Tobago.

Stressing the importance of the expansion works, Charles said visitors to the island must be captivated by the island’s natural beauty, as well as the quality of the available facilities and systems.

He said the facility will be the island’s “runway of opportunity and the gateway connecting us and the rest of the region”.

“The expansion of the ANR Robinson International Airport will also have a positive effect on domestic travel between Trinidad and Tobago. Our airbridge is a lifeline for so many of our citizens.

Frequently utilised on weekends by Tobago students pursuing studies in Trinidad as well as those conducting business between both islands on a regular basis and occasionally by citizens who work away from home.

Noting additional benefits in the possibility of increased airlift, he said it was important that comfort and convenience is improved for commercial passengers.

The Chief Secretary said the project was also of immense value to the people of Tobago as it would provide jobs and a new access road.

When the new terminal is completed, the existing terminal will be used as a cargo facility and private jet terminal.

Several improvements are expected, among them, a state-of-the-art passenger terminal that will ensure that international passengers no longer have to walk in the rain as a passenger bridge with a covered area will be installed.

The first phase of development on the project will see the terminal equipped with a capacity to serve a minimum of three million passengers.

The new terminal building will boast more floor space for concessions including retail, duty-free, food and beverage.

Passengers can also expect improved car parking, improved drop-off and pick up areas.

An expanded and refurbished domestic arrivals and departure area, fully enclosed and air-conditioned security line area, a VIP diplomatic lounge, and additional baggage equipment will also be included in the new terminal.

The terminal will be able to accommodate five wide-bodied aircraft (AA 330, Boeing 747 and ATRs) at the same time.

And, when completed, the new facility will be able to boast of leadership in energy and environmental design.

The Finance Minister noted that the upgrades were urgently needed as it was “a long time” since significant works had been carried out at the airport.

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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:29 am

I'm looking forward to seeing what this new terminal will do for TAB and Tobago at large. Will it be a white elephant project? The airport has been in need of an upgrade though.

Any news on the 738 replacements for BW?

I know it has been discussed before but Caribbean-Africa is it closer to becoming a reality? Since Airbus introduced us to the Airbus A321 XLR POS-DSS/ACC would be doable. Still too much capacity in terms of seats. However these narrow body long range aircraft could be a great fit.

I say ACC because it is pretty well connected with the rest of Africa and the Middle East, English ties and growing economy. Whereas DSS is within reasonable distance at a 6hr + flight time and it too has decent connections throughout the continent and the Middle East. POS could position itself as a transit hub for flights to the Americas.

It is pretty far fetched and not feasible right now but given a few years.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:20 am

I don't think a flight from the Caribbean to the African continent is really feasible in the foreseeable future at all. There has to develop meaningful, high value economic ties. Today there are virtually none, not even large numbers of persons from that part of the world living in the Caribbean. There are definitely a handful of Caribbean people working but they are spread out over a vast, vast continent that is better connected with London or Paris than it is with itself.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 6:49 pm

Following VS's decision to axe its thrice-weekly LGW-UVF service after 7 June 2020, BA will add two weekly flights on this route from 28 October 2020 to 27 March 2021. Like the current daily flights these additional flights will be operated with the 772 but with some differences: there will be three cabins (so no First cabin), the number of seats will be 336 (current 236) and the flights will be terminators (current ones have tags to POS 5x/weekly and GND 2x/weekly).
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:40 am

Caymanair wrote:
I don't think a flight from the Caribbean to the African continent is really feasible in the foreseeable future at all. There has to develop meaningful, high value economic ties. Today there are virtually none, not even large numbers of persons from that part of the world living in the Caribbean. There are definitely a handful of Caribbean people working but they are spread out over a vast, vast continent that is better connected with London or Paris than it is with itself.


The biggest challenge is that there aren't any Caribbean or West African carriers with aircraft capable of handling that route. I doubt that ET has an incentive to extend its West African flights to the Caribbean when extension to the USA are more lucrative. While a West African population does exist, some estimate it to be as much as 10k, these are distributed across the Caribbean and come from several West African countries. Its also likely that when they return on trips to their homeland many might actually like stopping off in NYC or London to shop.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 3:49 am

gunnerman wrote:
Following VS's decision to axe its thrice-weekly LGW-UVF service after 7 June 2020, BA will add two weekly flights on this route from 28 October 2020 to 27 March 2021. Like the current daily flights these additional flights will be operated with the 772 but with some differences: there will be three cabins (so no First cabin), the number of seats will be 336 (current 236) and the flights will be terminators (current ones have tags to POS 5x/weekly and GND 2x/weekly).

Still surprised VS is going through with this. Bumping it to a seasonal service may have sufficed.
Was UVF, and perhaps its Caribbean network given the leisure orientation, unprofitable?
Makes me wonder what other islands are subsidising their service.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 5:39 am

caribny wrote:
Caymanair wrote:
I don't think a flight from the Caribbean to the African continent is really feasible in the foreseeable future at all. There has to develop meaningful, high value economic ties. Today there are virtually none, not even large numbers of persons from that part of the world living in the Caribbean. There are definitely a handful of Caribbean people working but they are spread out over a vast, vast continent that is better connected with London or Paris than it is with itself.


The biggest challenge is that there aren't any Caribbean or West African carriers with aircraft capable of handling that route. I doubt that ET has an incentive to extend its West African flights to the Caribbean when extension to the USA are more lucrative. While a West African population does exist, some estimate it to be as much as 10k, these are distributed across the Caribbean and come from several West African countries. Its also likely that when they return on trips to their homeland many might actually like stopping off in NYC or London to shop.


That isn't the biggest challenge. It's true that there aren't any airlines that are well-placed to provide the service, but more importantly there is nowhere in the Caribbean with a market to justify the service. There are 5,000 Filipinos living in Cayman who go home every year, plus perhaps (in the most optimistic scenario) another 1500 of Filipino descent, who are married to Filipinos, or who own property and conduct business between the GCM - MNL city pair. That is not even close to the number needed to make a long-haul to Manila viable even if it could be flown by a A321XLR or 737MAX and was 8,000km closer. I'd wager there isn't a single city pair between the Caribbean and the African continent that has the demand to support a service, even if there was a network carrier in West Africa or the Caribbean that could feed the service from dozens of cities.

We will sooner have non-stop service to China, Hong Kong, or Singapore. There is significantly greater travel between the Caribbean and these locations and significant and increasing business ties. And I'm not saying those types of flights are likely,,, quite the opposite when we can make the trip flexibly and at a reasonable cost with a single connection in London or New York.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 10:44 pm

Caymanair wrote:
caribny wrote:
Caymanair wrote:
I don't think a flight from the Caribbean to the African continent is really feasible in the foreseeable future at all. There has to develop meaningful, high value economic ties. Today there are virtually none, not even large numbers of persons from that part of the world living in the Caribbean. There are definitely a handful of Caribbean people working but they are spread out over a vast, vast continent that is better connected with London or Paris than it is with itself.


The biggest challenge is that there aren't any Caribbean or West African carriers with aircraft capable of handling that route. I doubt that ET has an incentive to extend its West African flights to the Caribbean when extension to the USA are more lucrative. While a West African population does exist, some estimate it to be as much as 10k, these are distributed across the Caribbean and come from several West African countries. Its also likely that when they return on trips to their homeland many might actually like stopping off in NYC or London to shop.


That isn't the biggest challenge. It's true that there aren't any airlines that are well-placed to provide the service, but more importantly there is nowhere in the Caribbean with a market to justify the service. There are 5,000 Filipinos living in Cayman who go home every year, plus perhaps (in the most optimistic scenario) another 1500 of Filipino descent, who are married to Filipinos, or who own property and conduct business between the GCM - MNL city pair. That is not even close to the number needed to make a long-haul to Manila viable even if it could be flown by a A321XLR or 737MAX and was 8,000km closer. I'd wager there isn't a single city pair between the Caribbean and the African continent that has the demand to support a service, even if there was a network carrier in West Africa or the Caribbean that could feed the service from dozens of cities.
Just for reference:
Shortest, more realistic potential Africa - Caribbean airport pairs distances (from http://www.gcmap.com)
French-speaking:
DKR CAY 071° (E) 090° (E) 2,470 mi
DKR FDF 276° (W) 282° (W) 2,908 mi
English speaking / commonwealth:
BJL GEO 077° (E) 094° (E) 2,870 mi
BJL BGI 275° (W) 282° (W) 2,882 mi
If it was up to distance, one could imagine TX flying to Africa one day.
We will sooner have non-stop service to China, Hong Kong, or Singapore. There is significantly greater travel between the Caribbean and these locations and significant and increasing business ties. And I'm not saying those types of flights are likely,,, quite the opposite when we can make the trip flexibly and at a reasonable cost with a single connection in London or New York.
IMHO, The best bet for a number of Caribbean airports to get easy connection to Asia, Middle East and Eastern Europe would be trying to get an IST TK flight.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:26 am

Caymanair wrote:
caribny wrote:
Caymanair wrote:
I don't think a flight from the Caribbean to the African continent is really feasible in the foreseeable future at all. There has to develop meaningful, high value economic ties. Today there are virtually none, not even large numbers of persons from that part of the world living in the Caribbean. There are definitely a handful of Caribbean people working but they are spread out over a vast, vast continent that is better connected with London or Paris than it is with itself.


The biggest challenge is that there aren't any Caribbean or West African carriers with aircraft capable of handling that route. I doubt that ET has an incentive to extend its West African flights to the Caribbean when extension to the USA are more lucrative. While a West African population does exist, some estimate it to be as much as 10k, these are distributed across the Caribbean and come from several West African countries. Its also likely that when they return on trips to their homeland many might actually like stopping off in NYC or London to shop.


That isn't the biggest challenge. It's true that there aren't any airlines that are well-placed to provide the service, but more importantly there is nowhere in the Caribbean with a market to justify the service. There are 5,000 Filipinos living in Cayman who go home every year, plus perhaps (in the most optimistic scenario) another 1500 of Filipino descent, who are married to Filipinos, or who own property and conduct business between the GCM - MNL city pair. That is not even close to the number needed to make a long-haul to Manila viable even if it could be flown by a A321XLR or 737MAX and was 8,000km closer. I'd wager there isn't a single city pair between the Caribbean and the African continent that has the demand to support a service, even if there was a network carrier in West Africa or the Caribbean that could feed the service from dozens of cities.

We will sooner have non-stop service to China, Hong Kong, or Singapore. There is significantly greater travel between the Caribbean and these locations and significant and increasing business ties. And I'm not saying those types of flights are likely,,, quite the opposite when we can make the trip flexibly and at a reasonable cost with a single connection in London or New York.



If BW still had its 767s a political decision could have been made to start service. This cannot happen as there are no planes to fly, so that is where the challenge lies. There has actually been talk of this route now for decades. Even recently Mia Motley was "wishing" for better service to Ghana from BGI. The only routes with the remotest chance of being sustainable (on a semi charter basis) will be to ACC or LOS so the BJL and DSS routes are off the mark. Given the paucity of intra West Africa connectivity this would have to be an O&D, so its a full transatlantic flight, and not equivalent to a flight to YYZ.

But like I stated this is moot because even the Africans will prefer travel via JFK/LON to shop on the way back home.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:13 pm

caribny wrote:
Caymanair wrote:
caribny wrote:

The biggest challenge is that there aren't any Caribbean or West African carriers with aircraft capable of handling that route. I doubt that ET has an incentive to extend its West African flights to the Caribbean when extension to the USA are more lucrative. While a West African population does exist, some estimate it to be as much as 10k, these are distributed across the Caribbean and come from several West African countries. Its also likely that when they return on trips to their homeland many might actually like stopping off in NYC or London to shop.


That isn't the biggest challenge. It's true that there aren't any airlines that are well-placed to provide the service, but more importantly there is nowhere in the Caribbean with a market to justify the service. There are 5,000 Filipinos living in Cayman who go home every year, plus perhaps (in the most optimistic scenario) another 1500 of Filipino descent, who are married to Filipinos, or who own property and conduct business between the GCM - MNL city pair. That is not even close to the number needed to make a long-haul to Manila viable even if it could be flown by a A321XLR or 737MAX and was 8,000km closer. I'd wager there isn't a single city pair between the Caribbean and the African continent that has the demand to support a service, even if there was a network carrier in West Africa or the Caribbean that could feed the service from dozens of cities.

We will sooner have non-stop service to China, Hong Kong, or Singapore. There is significantly greater travel between the Caribbean and these locations and significant and increasing business ties. And I'm not saying those types of flights are likely,,, quite the opposite when we can make the trip flexibly and at a reasonable cost with a single connection in London or New York.



If BW still had its 767s a political decision could have been made to start service. This cannot happen as there are no planes to fly, so that is where the challenge lies. There has actually been talk of this route now for decades. Even recently Mia Motley was "wishing" for better service to Ghana from BGI. The only routes with the remotest chance of being sustainable (on a semi charter basis) will be to ACC or LOS so the BJL and DSS routes are off the mark. Given the paucity of intra West Africa connectivity this would have to be an O&D, so its a full transatlantic flight, and not equivalent to a flight to YYZ.

But like I stated this is moot because even the Africans will prefer travel via JFK/LON to shop on the way back home.

I doubt even if BW had its 767s, this would have ever happened. BW couldn’t sustain London and the government can barely subsidize the Tobago air bridge, much less a transatlantic route to a low demand city in Africa. The other issue is with T&T politics the way it is, a new flight to Africa would have likely necessitated a flight to India as well and that surely would have been an equally large if not larger failure as well.

Re TK starting flights to the English speaking Caribbean, good luck on that. Again, some of the islands can barely maintain service to London (a much bigger local market and also one that provides connections to the exact same places that people transiting via a potential IST flight would be going). Again, anything is possible but this is highly implausible.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 2:35 pm

We get this sort of thing from time to time from a politician or airline manager about flights from some unrealistic place. This is when you immediately know that these people are wholly unqualified to talk about these matters.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 3:09 pm

People tend to forget there is already a scheduled nonstop flight from Africa to the Caribbean. TAAG flies from Angola to Havana, Cuba using the 77W/772. Politics are most likely involved too but I understand there is also quite some medical traffic between these two countries (medical students).

Other than this, I agree with everybody else. I don't see any other Africa-Caribbean flights.

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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 10:09 pm

gunnerman wrote:
We get this sort of thing from time to time from a politician or airline manager about flights from some unrealistic place. This is when you immediately know that these people are wholly unqualified to talk about these matters.


Exactly. However politicians do make political decisions. Recall BWIA's flights to SJO. Why? Because T&T wanted to be the HQ for the Americas free trade zone. They had the planes so BW flew these 80% empty. African routes cannot happen because they dont have the planes so no political fantasies.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:45 am

A388 wrote:
People tend to forget there is already a scheduled nonstop flight from Africa to the Caribbean. TAAG flies from Angola to Havana, Cuba using the 77W/772. Politics are most likely involved too but I understand there is also quite some medical traffic between these two countries (medical students).

Other than this, I agree with everybody else. I don't see any other Africa-Caribbean flights.
DT flies bi-weekly LAD-HAV, that route is a remanent of the time when Cuba and Angola relations were at their peak. Politics are involved but the demand for a link between the 2 countries still exists. Thousands of Angolans study on Cuba and there's a sizeable number of Cubans living in Angola.
Brickell305 wrote:
Re TK starting flights to the English speaking Caribbean, good luck on that. Again, some of the islands can barely maintain service to London (a much bigger local market and also one that provides connections to the exact same places that people transiting via a potential IST flight would be going). Again, anything is possible but this is highly implausible.
In the past, several English-speaking Caribbean islands have sustained flights to destinations in Europe other than in the U.K. KL to POS and LH to Jamaica, and, In their glory-days both Air Jamaica and BWIA also did fly to mainland Europe.
Time will tell if MBJ, POS and BGI (plus PUJ and CUR/AUA) are destinations in TK radar.
IMHO, it shouldn't come as a surprise if MBJ and BGI already have talked to TK.
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:29 am

2travel2know2 wrote:
e other than in the U.K. KL to POS and LH to Jamaica, and, In their glory-days both Air Jamaica and BWIA also did fly to mainland Europe.
Time will tell if MBJ, POS and BGI (plus PUJ and CUR/AUA) are destinations in TK radar.
IMHO, it shouldn't come as a surprise if MBJ and BGI already have talked to TK.


Both MBJ and BGI currently have quite a bit of airlift out of a variety of German cities with Jamaica also getting flights from Italy, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Russia and even Portugal. These are all seasonal services tied to the wholesalers.

Another "wish" that some Caribbean destinations had was attracting business from China. Air China already services HAV and I believe that Jamaica is trying to develop a multi destination package. China tourism is highly structured. I personally dont see how this will be possible, given intense competition from islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans. I think that TK flying to MBJ or BGI is as likely as BW starting service to ACC or LOS.
 
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:21 pm

caribny wrote:
2travel2know2 wrote:
e other than in the U.K. KL to POS and LH to Jamaica, and, In their glory-days both Air Jamaica and BWIA also did fly to mainland Europe.
Time will tell if MBJ, POS and BGI (plus PUJ and CUR/AUA) are destinations in TK radar.
IMHO, it shouldn't come as a surprise if MBJ and BGI already have talked to TK.


Both MBJ and BGI currently have quite a bit of airlift out of a variety of German cities with Jamaica also getting flights from Italy, the Netherlands, Scandinavia, Russia and even Portugal. These are all seasonal services tied to the wholesalers.
While not regular service and most likely those flights don't sell seats locally, there are Caribbean destinations attracting air-lift (tourists) from newer markets.
Another "wish" that some Caribbean destinations had was attracting business from China. Air China already services HAV and I believe that Jamaica is trying to develop a multi destination package. China tourism is highly structured. I personally dont see how this will be possible, given intense competition from islands in the Pacific and Indian Oceans.
Chinese tourism to The Caribbean would be a really tough challenge, the region has the distance from China against it and right now it's not the time
I think that TK flying to MBJ or BGI is as likely as BW starting service to ACC or LOS.
For the record:
IST DPS 099° (E) 093° (E) 6,431 mi
IST MBJ 295° (NW) 289° (W) 6,208 mi
(from http://www.gcmap.com)
Wholesalers, Are those the same ones sending European tourists to MBJ, BGI, PUJ?, have a lot to do with getting TK to fly daily IST-DPS non-stop.
Not that I believe TK will fly daily to MBJ and/or PUJ, that I don't even dream about. it, however I do suspect, than sooner or later, Jamaica (Tourist Authorities and providers + MBJ), European Tour Operators/Wholesalers and TK will get their act together. :P
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Re: Caribbean Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:28 pm

The issue with Euro tourism to the Caribbean is that the operations are highly vertically integrated. Not sure that TK can make money on what will be low yield volume driven routes. There is also more traffic heading East via IST than there will be traffic generated in the East flying to the Caribbean so your DPS comparison isnt valid. More Euros travel to DPS than Asians travel to the Caribbean.

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