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ChrisNH38 wrote:With respect to BOS, I think the 787-8 is a perfect plane for El Al, in the same way it is for RAM.
Dieuwer wrote:This morning I got dropped off at arrivals again. Works for me. The Lyft driver told me Central Parking is for pick ups only.
adamh8297 wrote:We have overlooked that BOS-DEN is a 4 airline market and all 4 had loads over 92% in Q3 2019.
adamh8297 wrote:Looks like S4 is already caving in a bit to TP's service. It doesn't look like the two Portuguese carriers are codesharing right now either.
B752OS wrote:How is it Boston cannot sustain service to Mexico City on AM, but YUL is? It looks like on some days AM runs MEX-YUL twice a day.
airbazar wrote:adamh8297 wrote:We have overlooked that BOS-DEN is a 4 airline market and all 4 had loads over 92% in Q3 2019.
DL needs to enter this route. What is the 4th airline? I only see UA, B6, and WN.
iyerhari wrote:airbazar wrote:adamh8297 wrote:We have overlooked that BOS-DEN is a 4 airline market and all 4 had loads over 92% in Q3 2019.
DL needs to enter this route. What is the 4th airline? I only see UA, B6, and WN.
F9 has a seasonal service to DEN if I am not mistaken.
iyerhari wrote:Key new confirmed upcoming adds for BOS in 2020:
AA: AUS, LHR, seasonal: GCM, NAS, EYW
AC: seasonal YYC, YVR (resumption)
OS: VIE (seasonal - did not know this was seasonal!)
DL: LGW, FCO & MAN (seasonal)
Seasonal resumptions: LIS, EDI, DUB
WS: YYC (seasonal)
LV: ORY (seasonal)
F9: SJU
SY: GSP
TAP: PDL
Key retrenchments/route closures known at this time:
WN: ATL, MCI
B6: MEX
Hope 2020 is a great year for BOS! Thanks for everyone in this thread to pull another great 2019!
iyerhari wrote:Key new confirmed upcoming adds for BOS in 2020:
SY: GSP
OneX123 wrote:I flew AA out of Boston for the first time in a while yesterday (I'm typically DL) and I was amazed at what they've done with terminal B. High ceilings, tons of windows & natural light, beautiful architecture, and tons and tons of dining and drinking options. Noticed that the Admirals lounge has showers too. In a time when many say AA is cutting costs and skimping, it was an awesome sight to see.
jakeroberts212 wrote:iyerhari wrote:Key new confirmed upcoming adds for BOS in 2020:
AA: AUS, LHR, seasonal: GCM, NAS, EYW
AC: seasonal YYC, YVR (resumption)
OS: VIE (seasonal - did not know this was seasonal!)
DL: LGW, FCO & MAN (seasonal)
Seasonal resumptions: LIS, EDI, DUB
WS: YYC (seasonal)
LV: ORY (seasonal)
F9: SJU
SY: GSP
TAP: PDL
Key retrenchments/route closures known at this time:
WN: ATL, MCI
B6: MEX
Hope 2020 is a great year for BOS! Thanks for everyone in this thread to pull another great 2019!
Just curious where you’re seeing the OS flight being seasonal? I didn’t see that mentioned in the LH Group press release.
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/press ... rvice.html
iyerhari wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:iyerhari wrote:Key new confirmed upcoming adds for BOS in 2020:
AA: AUS, LHR, seasonal: GCM, NAS, EYW
AC: seasonal YYC, YVR (resumption)
OS: VIE (seasonal - did not know this was seasonal!)
DL: LGW, FCO & MAN (seasonal)
Seasonal resumptions: LIS, EDI, DUB
WS: YYC (seasonal)
LV: ORY (seasonal)
F9: SJU
SY: GSP
TAP: PDL
Key retrenchments/route closures known at this time:
WN: ATL, MCI
B6: MEX
Hope 2020 is a great year for BOS! Thanks for everyone in this thread to pull another great 2019!
Just curious where you’re seeing the OS flight being seasonal? I didn’t see that mentioned in the LH Group press release.
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/press ... rvice.html
Sorry I read the article and missed this. Maybe you are right and it’s year round. Thank you.,
MAH4546 wrote:iyerhari wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:
Just curious where you’re seeing the OS flight being seasonal? I didn’t see that mentioned in the LH Group press release.
https://www.lufthansagroup.com/en/press ... rvice.html
Sorry I read the article and missed this. Maybe you are right and it’s year round. Thank you.,
No, you are correct. It is seasonal and ends October 24th.
jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:iyerhari wrote:Sorry I read the article and missed this. Maybe you are right and it’s year round. Thank you.,
No, you are correct. It is seasonal and ends October 24th.
Source?
MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:
No, you are correct. It is seasonal and ends October 24th.
Source?
Any GDS booking system. Seasonal service ends October 24th. You literally cannot book a flight for the route past that date.
Why would it operate in the winter anyway? It’s a non-existent local market to a smaller sized hub and Boston-Europe demand falls off a cliff come November. Already a huge wildcard if it works at all during the summer in an over served marketplace. Relatively quick stage length though which will help.
B752OS wrote:A roughly 7 month run is a pretty long season. OS saw better use of the plane given their service to Miami was losing money. They're taking a shot in Boston, so hopefully it works out for them.
iyerhari wrote:Key new confirmed upcoming adds for BOS in 2020:
AA: AUS, LHR, seasonal: GCM, NAS, EYW
AC: seasonal YYC, YVR (resumption)
OS: VIE (seasonal - did not know this was seasonal!)
DL: LGW, FCO & MAN (seasonal)
Seasonal resumptions: LIS, EDI, DUB
WS: YYC (seasonal)
LV: ORY (seasonal)
F9: SJU
SY: GSP
TAP: PDL
Key retrenchments/route closures known at this time:
WN: ATL, MCI
B6: MEX
Hope 2020 is a great year for BOS! Thanks for everyone in this thread to pull another great 2019!
RL757PVD wrote:B6 - IND and MEM are too small, CVG makes the most sense but its loyal DL flyers on both ends, but then again they do MSP and DTW. So put me down for STL MIA CVG in that order as the next B6 cities from BOS but I think thats all you will see of significance in the next 2 years as far as new markets go.
MAH4546 wrote:B752OS wrote:A roughly 7 month run is a pretty long season. OS saw better use of the plane given their service to Miami was losing money. They're taking a shot in Boston, so hopefully it works out for them.
It’s the standard summer season, April-October. Winter timetables run November-March. That’s literally every airline, nothing unique here.
They are taking a shot having moved the Miami and some Los Angeles capacity to Boston, and while Miami and La are just as overserved as Boston and suffer the same overcapacity, they are triple the local market to Vienna than Boston is. Though Miami and Los Angeles have Aeroflot, Finnair and LOT, which compete in key overflow markets to Eastern Europe/Russia, and Boston has none of those which will be advantageous to Austrian. And, as I’ve mentioned before, Boston’s proximity to Europe means it can tolerate the overcapacity it has to the market better than the overserved California and Florida markets.
adamh8297 wrote:Happy 2020 - Lets see if i do better than getting one prediction of route announcements right... here goes nothing
B6 Transatlantic announcements
BOS-LGW/DUB for 2021. I think they are going to tiptoe in though TP appears to have no range issues with IAD-LIS on A321neoLR right now.
Two repeats from last year
B6 BOS-ANU weekly
B6 BOS-IND - Its the largest domestic route not served by B6
I'm not confident in B6 adding anything else.
International Carriers
DY BOS-ATH 3 weekly S21 if they are still around
LY increases to 4 weekly BOS-TLV
I don't see East Asia changes unless HKG goes into utter chaos.
Delta Adds
DL BOS-MAD seasonal
DL BOS-PDX seasonal
DL BOS-DFW - The largest market from BOS that they are not in.
Adios
NK drops SJU
F9 drops RDU
OS is one year and done - increasing MUC to A380 and adding VIE wasn't a smart move by LH group.
MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:
No, you are correct. It is seasonal and ends October 24th.
Source?
Any GDS booking system. Seasonal service ends October 24th. You literally cannot book a flight for the route past that date.
Why would it operate in the winter anyway? It’s a non-existent local market to a smaller sized hub and Boston-Europe demand falls off a cliff come November. Already a huge wildcard if it works at all during the summer in an over served marketplace. Relatively quick stage length though which will help.
jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:
Source?
Any GDS booking system. Seasonal service ends October 24th. You literally cannot book a flight for the route past that date.
Why would it operate in the winter anyway? It’s a non-existent local market to a smaller sized hub and Boston-Europe demand falls off a cliff come November. Already a huge wildcard if it works at all during the summer in an over served marketplace. Relatively quick stage length though which will help.
Is it common airlines have finalized their long haul winter ‘20 schedules already. Perhaps OS just hasn’t updated or loaded those flights?
As for BOS-Europe falling off a cliff we can agree to disagree on that one. Over the years we’ve seen carriers like AZ, IB, TP all go year round in BOS when they used to stop service for several months in the winter. In fact I can’t think of one airline that flies to Europe from BOS currently that stops service in the winter. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
adamh8297 wrote:OS is one year and done - increasing MUC to A380 and adding VIE wasn't a smart move by LH group.
jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:
Source?
Any GDS booking system. Seasonal service ends October 24th. You literally cannot book a flight for the route past that date.
Why would it operate in the winter anyway? It’s a non-existent local market to a smaller sized hub and Boston-Europe demand falls off a cliff come November. Already a huge wildcard if it works at all during the summer in an over served marketplace. Relatively quick stage length though which will help.
Is it common airlines have finalized their long haul winter ‘20 schedules already. Perhaps OS just hasn’t updated or loaded those flights?
As for BOS-Europe falling off a cliff we can agree to disagree on that one. Over the years we’ve seen carriers like AZ, IB, TP all go year round in BOS when they used to stop service for several months in the winter. In fact I can’t think of one airline that flies to Europe from BOS currently that stops service in the winter. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
RL757PVD wrote:B6 - My $$$ is they are going to focus on core areas to boost fares and will be very disciplined on where capacity gets added (i.e. every BWI flight 2 days from now is going for $81). IND and MEM are too small, CVG makes the most sense but its loyal DL flyers on both ends, but then again they do MSP and DTW. Might they try STL finally as one of the few large markets they are not in at all? I also think they will eventually add MIA to round out their Florida airport roster. So put me down for STL MIA CVG in that order as the next B6 cities from BOS but I think thats all you will see of significance in the next 2 years as far as new markets go.
Places like SYR and ROC could see a second frequency but the wildcard is if Silver comes in and provides B6 with some right sized regional feed to places like PQI BTV BGR and ISP
georgiabill wrote:Happy New Year fellow Boston Aviation participants. A few quick questions and then my wish for future destinations.
With the issues in HKG will CX be dropping any flights from BOS? Has AT'S load factor been improving on their CMN-BOS-CMN route?
Wish list for future BOS routes
BOS-ATH-BOS summer seasonal DY or DL most likely to give it a shot 3x or 4x per week
BRU-BOS-BRU summer seasonal might go yr round eventually SN only if they get A321LR' or A321XLR and 3x or 4x per week
LIM-BOS-LIM this is the long shot but LP 3X weekly might work especially if routed SCL-LIM-BOS-LIM-SCL
Asia not sure another main land Chinese route perhaps a Chinese carrier attempting PKX-BOS-PKX, TPE BR 3x or 4x weekly especially if CX reduces flights
Domestic
WN after Max returns to service perhaps restoring AUS to daily yr round, 2x daily MKE, daily MCI when new terminal opens
B6 BOS-STL-BOS 2x
Hope you all have a great 2020.
MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:
Any GDS booking system. Seasonal service ends October 24th. You literally cannot book a flight for the route past that date.
Why would it operate in the winter anyway? It’s a non-existent local market to a smaller sized hub and Boston-Europe demand falls off a cliff come November. Already a huge wildcard if it works at all during the summer in an over served marketplace. Relatively quick stage length though which will help.
Is it common airlines have finalized their long haul winter ‘20 schedules already. Perhaps OS just hasn’t updated or loaded those flights?
As for BOS-Europe falling off a cliff we can agree to disagree on that one. Over the years we’ve seen carriers like AZ, IB, TP all go year round in BOS when they used to stop service for several months in the winter. In fact I can’t think of one airline that flies to Europe from BOS currently that stops service in the winter. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, it’s common for airlines to decide that this far in advance. There’s little to argue, traffic figures are figures and Boston-Europe drops significantly come winter outside of Christmas. That’s not unique to Boston. Every U.S.-Europe market sees this except New York and Miami.
Boston-Vienna will be interesting to see if it works. There is no local market and Austria does not stimulate easily. Los Angeles and Miami struggle/struggled for Austrian and Vienna-Miami/Los Angeles are large local markets (due to Austria point of sale). Boston is not a large market to Eastern Europe, but as if mentioned there’s no competition from LOT, Aeroflot and Finnair like at LA and Miami. There’s little harm in trying, but I doubt it lasts.
VS4ever wrote:georgiabill wrote:Happy New Year fellow Boston Aviation participants. A few quick questions and then my wish for future destinations.
With the issues in HKG will CX be dropping any flights from BOS? Has AT'S load factor been improving on their CMN-BOS-CMN route?
Wish list for future BOS routes
BOS-ATH-BOS summer seasonal DY or DL most likely to give it a shot 3x or 4x per week
BRU-BOS-BRU summer seasonal might go yr round eventually SN only if they get A321LR' or A321XLR and 3x or 4x per week
LIM-BOS-LIM this is the long shot but LP 3X weekly might work especially if routed SCL-LIM-BOS-LIM-SCL
Asia not sure another main land Chinese route perhaps a Chinese carrier attempting PKX-BOS-PKX, TPE BR 3x or 4x weekly especially if CX reduces flights
Domestic
WN after Max returns to service perhaps restoring AUS to daily yr round, 2x daily MKE, daily MCI when new terminal opens
B6 BOS-STL-BOS 2x
Hope you all have a great 2020.
Answers from my standpoint:
CX - nothing mentioned yet, not even a drop in frequency has been noted anywhere, so for now, it's as you were.
AT - if anything it's been going backwards, November showed an average of 98 pax a flight...
ATH - I think there is a consensus here that ATH would be a good route, I just wonder if one of the things that OS did was try to pre-empt that with connection possibilities with the VIE flight.
BRU - again, another that has been discussed, I think the 321 would work well on this route.
LIM - hmmm tough one, that I would like to see, just to stretch the South American network a bit. Could LIM be done on a B6 321 XLR? I haven't done the mileage check to see if that would be feasible or not.
Asia - with KE's apparent success, I do wonder if there is more scope to Asia. HU's PVG and PEK routes are not setting the world on fire, JL are filling up their relatively low seat count 789's quite well (but the last round of frequency changes for NRT and HND mean that JL and NH are not considering BOS additionally, JL's only option is to move up to a 777, but again no signs of that happening either), CX, well enough have been documented about that.
BOS has been mentioned in dispatches in the SQ rumor thread, but I doubt they would turn up. BR would be nice and of the Chinese carriers, maybe CI or MU might be the ones, but with HU bagging both PVG and PEK, would the new Bejing airport also support a flight and would that be allowed under the rules.
jakeroberts212 wrote:[twoid][/twoid]VS4ever wrote:georgiabill wrote:Happy New Year fellow Boston Aviation participants. A few quick questions and then my wish for future destinations.
With the issues in HKG will CX be dropping any flights from BOS? Has AT'S load factor been improving on their CMN-BOS-CMN route?
Wish list for future BOS routes
BOS-ATH-BOS summer seasonal DY or DL most likely to give it a shot 3x or 4x per week
BRU-BOS-BRU summer seasonal might go yr round eventually SN only if they get A321LR' or A321XLR and 3x or 4x per week
LIM-BOS-LIM this is the long shot but LP 3X weekly might work especially if routed SCL-LIM-BOS-LIM-SCL
Asia not sure another main land Chinese route perhaps a Chinese carrier attempting PKX-BOS-PKX, TPE BR 3x or 4x weekly especially if CX reduces flights
Domestic
WN after Max returns to service perhaps restoring AUS to daily yr round, 2x daily MKE, daily MCI when new terminal opens
B6 BOS-STL-BOS 2x
Hope you all have a great 2020.
Answers from my standpoint:
CX - nothing mentioned yet, not even a drop in frequency has been noted anywhere, so for now, it's as you were.
AT - if anything it's been going backwards, November showed an average of 98 pax a flight...
ATH - I think there is a consensus here that ATH would be a good route, I just wonder if one of the things that OS did was try to pre-empt that with connection possibilities with the VIE flight.
BRU - again, another that has been discussed, I think the 321 would work well on this route.
LIM - hmmm tough one, that I would like to see, just to stretch the South American network a bit. Could LIM be done on a B6 321 XLR? I haven't done the mileage check to see if that would be feasible or not.
Asia - with KE's apparent success, I do wonder if there is more scope to Asia. HU's PVG and PEK routes are not setting the world on fire, JL are filling up their relatively low seat count 789's quite well (but the last round of frequency changes for NRT and HND mean that JL and NH are not considering BOS additionally, JL's only option is to move up to a 777, but again no signs of that happening either), CX, well enough have been documented about that.
BOS has been mentioned in dispatches in the SQ rumor thread, but I doubt they would turn up. BR would be nice and of the Chinese carriers, maybe CI or MU might be the ones, but with HU bagging both PVG and PEK, would the new Bejing airport also support a flight and would that be allowed under the rules.
AT in November definitely struggled if they were only averaging 98 pax a flight. But I can’t imagine Nov being a busy travel month to Morocco. Do you happen to have data as to how BOS stacked up against AT’s other newer US markets - MIA & IAD?
jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:
Is it common airlines have finalized their long haul winter ‘20 schedules already. Perhaps OS just hasn’t updated or loaded those flights?
As for BOS-Europe falling off a cliff we can agree to disagree on that one. Over the years we’ve seen carriers like AZ, IB, TP all go year round in BOS when they used to stop service for several months in the winter. In fact I can’t think of one airline that flies to Europe from BOS currently that stops service in the winter. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, it’s common for airlines to decide that this far in advance. There’s little to argue, traffic figures are figures and Boston-Europe drops significantly come winter outside of Christmas. That’s not unique to Boston. Every U.S.-Europe market sees this except New York and Miami.
Boston-Vienna will be interesting to see if it works. There is no local market and Austria does not stimulate easily. Los Angeles and Miami struggle/struggled for Austrian and Vienna-Miami/Los Angeles are large local markets (due to Austria point of sale). Boston is not a large market to Eastern Europe, but as if mentioned there’s no competition from LOT, Aeroflot and Finnair like at LA and Miami. There’s little harm in trying, but I doubt it lasts.
Nobody is arguing with you. Because I disagree does not = an argument. Do BOS-EU traffic numbers dip in the winter. Sure. Do they “fall off a cliff” - NO. Airlines don’t extend service year round on routes that fall off a cliff. Let’s just be real - MIA absolutely sees this also. Look at London for example - AA and BA are reducing frequencies for the ‘19/‘20 Winter on what is a fortress hub-hub OW route. Don’t tell me MIA is immune to winter reductions because I just gave you an example where it happened and of all routes to Europe shouldn’t have. AA/BA dominate MIA. And guess what - they haven’t loaded back the 3rd daily BA flight for this winter or next spring, summer or fall.
They announced MIA-LHR being 5x daily Oct ‘19 - March ‘20 and yet here we are and it’s only 4x daily because bookings were so low. A380 gone during a time that is MIA’s busy season where they see no reductions?? Come back to reality![]()
https://www.google.com/amp/s/londonairt ... miami/amp/
jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:
Is it common airlines have finalized their long haul winter ‘20 schedules already. Perhaps OS just hasn’t updated or loaded those flights?
As for BOS-Europe falling off a cliff we can agree to disagree on that one. Over the years we’ve seen carriers like AZ, IB, TP all go year round in BOS when they used to stop service for several months in the winter. In fact I can’t think of one airline that flies to Europe from BOS currently that stops service in the winter. Please feel free to correct me if I’m wrong.
Yes, it’s common for airlines to decide that this far in advance. There’s little to argue, traffic figures are figures and Boston-Europe drops significantly come winter outside of Christmas. That’s not unique to Boston. Every U.S.-Europe market sees this except New York and Miami.
Boston-Vienna will be interesting to see if it works. There is no local market and Austria does not stimulate easily. Los Angeles and Miami struggle/struggled for Austrian and Vienna-Miami/Los Angeles are large local markets (due to Austria point of sale). Boston is not a large market to Eastern Europe, but as if mentioned there’s no competition from LOT, Aeroflot and Finnair like at LA and Miami. There’s little harm in trying, but I doubt it lasts.
Nobody is arguing with you. Because I disagree does not = an argument. Do BOS-EU traffic numbers dip in the winter. Sure. Do they “fall off a cliff” - NO. Airlines don’t extend service year round on routes that fall off a cliff. Let’s just be real - MIA absolutely sees this also. Look at London for example - AA and BA are reducing frequencies for the ‘19/‘20 Winter on what is a fortress hub-hub OW route. Don’t tell me MIA is immune to winter reductions because I just gave you an example where it happened and of all routes to Europe shouldn’t have. AA/BA dominate MIA. And guess what - they haven’t loaded back the 3rd daily BA flight for this winter or next spring, summer or fall.
They announced MIA-LHR being 5x daily Oct ‘19 - March ‘20 and yet here we are and it’s only 4x daily because bookings were so low. A380 gone during a time that is MIA’s busy season where they see no reductions?? Come back to reality![]()
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/londonairt ... miami/amp/
B752OS wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:MAH4546 wrote:
Yes, it’s common for airlines to decide that this far in advance. There’s little to argue, traffic figures are figures and Boston-Europe drops significantly come winter outside of Christmas. That’s not unique to Boston. Every U.S.-Europe market sees this except New York and Miami.
Boston-Vienna will be interesting to see if it works. There is no local market and Austria does not stimulate easily. Los Angeles and Miami struggle/struggled for Austrian and Vienna-Miami/Los Angeles are large local markets (due to Austria point of sale). Boston is not a large market to Eastern Europe, but as if mentioned there’s no competition from LOT, Aeroflot and Finnair like at LA and Miami. There’s little harm in trying, but I doubt it lasts.
Nobody is arguing with you. Because I disagree does not = an argument. Do BOS-EU traffic numbers dip in the winter. Sure. Do they “fall off a cliff” - NO. Airlines don’t extend service year round on routes that fall off a cliff. Let’s just be real - MIA absolutely sees this also. Look at London for example - AA and BA are reducing frequencies for the ‘19/‘20 Winter on what is a fortress hub-hub OW route. Don’t tell me MIA is immune to winter reductions because I just gave you an example where it happened and of all routes to Europe shouldn’t have. AA/BA dominate MIA. And guess what - they haven’t loaded back the 3rd daily BA flight for this winter or next spring, summer or fall.
They announced MIA-LHR being 5x daily Oct ‘19 - March ‘20 and yet here we are and it’s only 4x daily because bookings were so low. A380 gone during a time that is MIA’s busy season where they see no reductions?? Come back to reality![]()
https://www.google.com/amp/s/londonairt ... miami/amp/
New York is, well, New York. So it's not a shock their demand is strong year round. One thing Miami has is a large amount of tourist demand from Europe - this is how airlines are able to fill the majority of seats between Miami and Europe. More people in Poland want to travel to Miami in January than they do to say Chicago, or Seattle. So it's not surprising Miami's European traffic fares better than Boston, DC, Seattle, Denver, etc. from December to March. I was surprised to see Aeroflot runs SVO-MIA at only 4 x weekly, AY runs HEL-MIA at only 3 weekly and LO runs WAW-MIA at only 3 weekly. I figure they would be at daily, or almost daily. This signals the leisure nature of who is filling these flights.
MAH4546 wrote:B752OS wrote:jakeroberts212 wrote:
Nobody is arguing with you. Because I disagree does not = an argument. Do BOS-EU traffic numbers dip in the winter. Sure. Do they “fall off a cliff” - NO. Airlines don’t extend service year round on routes that fall off a cliff. Let’s just be real - MIA absolutely sees this also. Look at London for example - AA and BA are reducing frequencies for the ‘19/‘20 Winter on what is a fortress hub-hub OW route. Don’t tell me MIA is immune to winter reductions because I just gave you an example where it happened and of all routes to Europe shouldn’t have. AA/BA dominate MIA. And guess what - they haven’t loaded back the 3rd daily BA flight for this winter or next spring, summer or fall.
They announced MIA-LHR being 5x daily Oct ‘19 - March ‘20 and yet here we are and it’s only 4x daily because bookings were so low. A380 gone during a time that is MIA’s busy season where they see no reductions?? Come back to reality![]()
https://www.google.com/amp/s/londonairt ... miami/amp/
New York is, well, New York. So it's not a shock their demand is strong year round. One thing Miami has is a large amount of tourist demand from Europe - this is how airlines are able to fill the majority of seats between Miami and Europe. More people in Poland want to travel to Miami in January than they do to say Chicago, or Seattle. So it's not surprising Miami's European traffic fares better than Boston, DC, Seattle, Denver, etc. from December to March. I was surprised to see Aeroflot runs SVO-MIA at only 4 x weekly, AY runs HEL-MIA at only 3 weekly and LO runs WAW-MIA at only 3 weekly. I figure they would be at daily, or almost daily. This signals the leisure nature of who is filling these flights.
Aeroflot is 5x a week and LOT is 4x a week, but yes, it’s largely leisure and largely local so frequency isn’t as important.
B752OS wrote:MAH4546 wrote:B752OS wrote:
New York is, well, New York. So it's not a shock their demand is strong year round. One thing Miami has is a large amount of tourist demand from Europe - this is how airlines are able to fill the majority of seats between Miami and Europe. More people in Poland want to travel to Miami in January than they do to say Chicago, or Seattle. So it's not surprising Miami's European traffic fares better than Boston, DC, Seattle, Denver, etc. from December to March. I was surprised to see Aeroflot runs SVO-MIA at only 4 x weekly, AY runs HEL-MIA at only 3 weekly and LO runs WAW-MIA at only 3 weekly. I figure they would be at daily, or almost daily. This signals the leisure nature of who is filling these flights.
Aeroflot is 5x a week and LOT is 4x a week, but yes, it’s largely leisure and largely local so frequency isn’t as important.
Does it turn into 5 x weekly for a portion of the year? I was just looking at flight aware and see flights operate Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday and Sunday on the Miami to Moscow end.
Has anyone been by terminal E to see any progress they've made? The last few times I have flown into/out of Logan was at night so I couldn't really see anything.
MAH4546 wrote:
They used to charge money to post here. They really need to start doing that again.
jakeroberts212 wrote:[twoid][/twoid]VS4ever wrote:georgiabill wrote:Happy New Year fellow Boston Aviation participants. A few quick questions and then my wish for future destinations.
With the issues in HKG will CX be dropping any flights from BOS? Has AT'S load factor been improving on their CMN-BOS-CMN route?
Wish list for future BOS routes
BOS-ATH-BOS summer seasonal DY or DL most likely to give it a shot 3x or 4x per week
BRU-BOS-BRU summer seasonal might go yr round eventually SN only if they get A321LR' or A321XLR and 3x or 4x per week
LIM-BOS-LIM this is the long shot but LP 3X weekly might work especially if routed SCL-LIM-BOS-LIM-SCL
Asia not sure another main land Chinese route perhaps a Chinese carrier attempting PKX-BOS-PKX, TPE BR 3x or 4x weekly especially if CX reduces flights
Domestic
WN after Max returns to service perhaps restoring AUS to daily yr round, 2x daily MKE, daily MCI when new terminal opens
B6 BOS-STL-BOS 2x
Hope you all have a great 2020.
Answers from my standpoint:
CX - nothing mentioned yet, not even a drop in frequency has been noted anywhere, so for now, it's as you were.
AT - if anything it's been going backwards, November showed an average of 98 pax a flight...
ATH - I think there is a consensus here that ATH would be a good route, I just wonder if one of the things that OS did was try to pre-empt that with connection possibilities with the VIE flight.
BRU - again, another that has been discussed, I think the 321 would work well on this route.
LIM - hmmm tough one, that I would like to see, just to stretch the South American network a bit. Could LIM be done on a B6 321 XLR? I haven't done the mileage check to see if that would be feasible or not.
Asia - with KE's apparent success, I do wonder if there is more scope to Asia. HU's PVG and PEK routes are not setting the world on fire, JL are filling up their relatively low seat count 789's quite well (but the last round of frequency changes for NRT and HND mean that JL and NH are not considering BOS additionally, JL's only option is to move up to a 777, but again no signs of that happening either), CX, well enough have been documented about that.
BOS has been mentioned in dispatches in the SQ rumor thread, but I doubt they would turn up. BR would be nice and of the Chinese carriers, maybe CI or MU might be the ones, but with HU bagging both PVG and PEK, would the new Bejing airport also support a flight and would that be allowed under the rules.
AT in November definitely struggled if they were only averaging 98 pax a flight. But I can’t imagine Nov being a busy travel month to Morocco. Do you happen to have data as to how BOS stacked up against AT’s other newer US markets - MIA & IAD?
jakeroberts212 wrote:AT in November definitely struggled if they were only averaging 98 pax a flight. But I can’t imagine Nov being a busy travel month to Morocco. Do you happen to have data as to how BOS stacked up against AT’s other newer US markets - MIA & IAD?