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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 4:06 pm

Ok, next part of August International Analysis from the T-100's

Reminder:
The %'s are:
Seats - Gauge Change (size of aircraft), Volume Change (# of flights & Seats)
Pax: Volume Change (impact of volume on pax count), Market Change (increase/decrease in pax not affected by volume change)

Comparatives are to Aug 2018 in brackets

Canada up next..

YHZ - QK (Jazz)

Load Factor: 90.3% [91.1%]
Flights: 117 [116]
Seats: 9,126 [9,048] - 0%, 0.9%
Pax: 8,237 [8,242] - 0.9%, (0.9%)

pretty flat results from Jazz and it's clear the loss of WS on this route has not transferred to either increased frequency or increased pax numbers year over year. As a result route lost nearly 3,900 pax.

YOW - QK (Jazz)

Load Factor: 78.6% [76%]
Flights: 110 [106]
Seats: 5,500 [5,300] - 0%, 3.6%
Pax: 4,323 [4,027] - 3.5%, 3.3%

Decent set of results on YOW, 3.3% in market lift isn't bad on top of a 3.6% increase in capacity

YTZ - PD (Porter)

Load Factor: 77.5% [88.5%]
Flights: 393 [383]
Seats: 28,786 [28,342] - 0%, 1.5%
Pax: 22,310 [25,088] - 1.8%, (14.2%)

Horrible set of results for PD, increased capacity a little, but a 14% drop in market is not good at all in August. While PD are unlikely to go anywhere, I can see a scaling back if this continues at any sizeable pace.


YUL - PD (Porter)

YUL is a little tricky, because QK have backed down from 351 flights to 106 and Sky Regional have added 182, so I am just going to post the combined numbers and not split by airline.

Load Factor: 86.5% [88.7%]
Flights: 288 [351]
Seats: 21,676 [20,140] - 23.8%, (16.7%)
Pax: 18,748 [17,855] - (17.1%), 21.9%

So 2% drop in load factor, BUT far from the story here. the move from Jazz to Sky and in general has moved up from 50 seaters to 75. Flights dropped by 17%, but gauge increased by 23% as a result, with the trade off. Obviously the pax volume % follows suit with the drop, but the key here is the market growth, 21.9%. It moved the avg pax up from 51 to 65 (too big for the previous gauge), so I would call that a success, sure load factor dropped a little, but when you increase capacity by this much, it's tough to truly keep up with it. That said, proves the additional market is available at least in August anyway.

YYR - AC

Load Factor: 90.1% [88%]
Flights: 62 [62]
Seats: 7,402 [7,405] - 0%, 0%
Pax: 6,666 [6,515] - 0%, 2.3%

Another successful month on YVR, even a 2.3% market increase year over year. One wonders if this will eventually go year round?

YYZ - Combined 90.5% 44,254 [48,409] 91.7%

WS - Westjet

Load Factor: 88.2% [87.4%]
Flights: 186 [180]
Seats: 14,508 [14,152] - (0.8%), 3.3%
Pax: 12,789 [12,369] - 3.2%, 0.1%

Reasonable set of results for WS, not much market movement, but the increase in capacity led to a similar movement in pax..

AC - Air Canada

Load Factor: 90.2% [88.6%]
Flights: 115 [116]
Seats: 11,202 [11,346] - (0.4%), (0.9%)
Pax: 12,789 [12,369] - (0.9%), 1.3%

Not too much movement, although they did grab a bit more market for their flights at 1.3%, everything else stayed roughly in line.

b]KV - Sky[/b]

Load Factor: 92.2% [95.3%]
Flights: 305 [359]
Seats: 23,168 [27,277] - 0%, (17.7%)
Pax: 21,365 [25,989] - (18.3%), (1.2%)

Sky were the losers this month, although they are still running at 92% and of course nobody is going to complain too much about that. This was off a 18% reduction in capacity and a 1.2% drop in market. Not great and they were the driver for the drop overall.

Central America/South America & Africa

Central America up first..

PTY - CM

Load Factor: 91.1% [90.1%]
Flights: 78 [98]
Seats: 11,568 [14,024] - 3.5%, (24.7%)
Pax: 10,539 [12,633] - (24.5%), 4.6%

CM dropped a lot of the 2nd dailies during the month, hence the 25% drop in capacity, but did upgauge the aircraft a little to compensate. However they did increase their avg pax 4.6% from 129 to 135, which would kind of be expected given the drop in capacity.

MEX - B6
B6 improved to 74.4% this month, but still well below the 82% that AM produced the prior year. A continued reason why ultimately this route was dropped.

CUN -
Pretty much flat across the 3 airlines, B6 took a little hit on loads, however T-100 states they used the new 162 seater 320's for this. That maybe true, but it does seem early in the refurb process for them to do it. If it is true, they needed it because the avg pax were counted at 150.

South America

only GRU left, as AV bailed on BOG

Load Factor: 91.3% [88.8%]
Flights: 44 [36]
Seats: 9,460 [7,740] - 0%, 18.2%
Pax: 8,638 [6,873] - 17.7%, 2.8%

JJ pulling in a decent result, increased frequency of 18%, not only covered that, but an additional 2.8% in avg pax as a result from 191 to 196

Africa

CMN - AT

Load Factor: 74.7%
Flights: 26
Seats: 7,852
Pax: 5,867
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 5:16 pm

Final part of the International T-100's for August, which is the Caribbean, many routes are 1 weekly or so, so I am going to focus on the multiples that reflect a larger population to work with.

PUJ - DL only fly 1 weekly and performance was pretty flat year on year, uptick in gauge, but a very small uplift in pax, leading to a 9% drop in load factor

B6 - fly roughly 4 weekly but the issues in the DR were exceedingly clear from these results

Load Factor: 68.5% [93.8%]
Flights: 36 [34]
Seats: 5,832 [5,100] 7.4%, 5.1%
Pax: 3,993 [4,784] 7%, (26.9%)

After a great 2018, B6 had set themselves up for an expansive 2019, unfortunately the events in DR destroyed that, and this turned into a horrible set of results from them, while they increased gauge and a slight increase in frequency, the market collapsed 27% during the month.

HAV - only including this because it's interesting for many people, 52.2% this month. Again, no surprise this was cut.

STI - B6

Load Factor: 79.7% [87.2%]
Flights: 107 [77]
Seats: 17,910 [11,910] 7.6%, 25.9%
Pax: 14,271 [10,386] 28.4%, (1.1%)

Not as pronounced as PUJ, but STI still suffered a bit, gauge increase here too and a big volume increase, but a 1.1% market decrease was a bit tough. Given the hike in capacity not the worst, but I suspect B6 were hoping for better.

PAP - B6

Load Factor: 92.5% [88.3%]
Flights: 36 [36]
Seats: 5,808 [5,400] 7%, 0%
Pax: 5,374 [4,767] 0%, 11.3%

Decent set of results here for B6, 7% increase in gauge as the bigger 320's came on stream. it was well rewarded with a 11.3% market increase as pax went from 132 to 149 (which would be 100% load effectively for the regular 320's)

SDQ - B6

Load Factor: 86.9% [94.4%]
Flights: 106 [63]
Seats: 18,820 [9,858] 11.9%, 35.8%
Pax: 16,346 [9,302] 38.8%, 4.3%

One of those that a 7% load drop doesn't tell the full story, 36% increase in volume, coupled with a 12% increase in gauge is a huge amount of capacity to put through the market, but.. they did exceedingly well, by covering the volume increase and 4% of the gauge, avg pax count 148 to 154, which would have been too tight for the regular market. 44 of the 2019 flights were on all core 321's...

BDA - Combined 90.7% 15,900 [15,760] 90.1%

B6

Load Factor: 90.9% [91.9%]
Flights: 62 [62]
Seats: 9,348 [9,300] 0.5%, 0%
Pax: 8,494 [8,548] 0%, (0.6%)

Pretty flat, slight uptick in gauge coupled with slight drop in market led to a 1% decline in loads.


DL

Load Factor: 90.5% [88.1%]
Flights: 62 [62]
Seats: 8,184 [8,184] 0%, 0%
Pax: 8,494 [8,548] 0%, 2.6%

DL wins the growth battle, however they are using smaller aircraft than B6, that said 2.6% market growth will do just fine..

SJU - B6, ok, I know PR is counted as domestic by T-100, but Massport I swear report it as Caribbean, so hence I have moved it to International.

Load Factor: 83.7% [88.3%]
Flights: 243 [181]
Seats: 38,130 [27,294] 3.9%, 24.5%
Pax: 31,910 [24,096] 25.9%, (1.4%)

The recovery continues, say what you want about the state of PR and it's economy, people still want to fly there from BOS and in decent numbers too, the move from close to 3 daily up to almost 4 daily, pretty much paid off, with the pax count covering at least the increase in volume, but not quite covering the gauge increase too, the difference is 2 pax per flight, so roughly 480 folks... can't see B6 being terribly upset about that.. Solid results..

Last but NOT least..

AUA - DL fly once a week, so I am ignoring their numbers here.

Load Factor: 89.2% [89.6%]
Flights: 82 [78]
Seats: 15,692 [11,772] 21.1%, 3.8%
Pax: 14,003 [10,553] 3.9%, 20.8%

Ahhh the memories of April when i got to visit such a beautiful island.. not sure I will have the money to go back, but... if I do, I will. But I digress. I call this the not quite home run, you know, the one that bounces off the top of the green monster and back into play.. you've all seen it. Huge uplift in gauge of 21% with 87% of flights on some form of 321 but mostly all core, with the odd weekend mint thrown in (sadly the T-100's don't go to tail level on this route to determine which was which). 4% increase in volume and they got so close to filling the entire gap, but just fell short to bring the avg load down by 0.4% Avg pax went from 135 to 171... Folks LOVE AUA!

So there we have it, August is in the books, Once September is out next month, I will do a slightly different analysis of the summer season from May to September to see how folks got on during the whole thing...

Thanks for the kind comments and reading all of this, it's only worth doing if that happens.. I'm going to be out of pocket after this week because I'm off to MIA on Friday for a cruise on DL no less (rather than AA).
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 7:23 pm

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DL

Load Factor: 90.5% [88.1%]
Flights: 62 [62]
Seats: 8,184 [8,184] 0%, 0%
Pax: 8,494 [8,548] 0%, 2.6%

Wasn't aware that Delta offered a standing-room only product :D
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:21 pm

TheChickenman wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
DL

Load Factor: 90.5% [88.1%]
Flights: 62 [62]
Seats: 8,184 [8,184] 0%, 0%
Pax: 8,494 [8,548] 0%, 2.6%

Wasn't aware that Delta offered a standing-room only product :D


It was a test month following a visit to meet Ryanair...

Ok you got me.. even a numbers guy can mix up some numbers.

Here’s the real ones:

Load Factor: 90.5% [88.1%]
Flights: 62 [62]
Seats: 8,184 [8,184] 0%, 0%
Pax: 7,406 [7,212] 0%, 2.6%

I had read the wrong line and picked up the B6 actuals :)
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 8:36 pm

AUA is great, Ive been there 10 times since 2004 and love it more every time I go.

I really hope AA restores Saturday AUA flights, and maybe Delta can bump up to 3-4x a week. Its a hot market and people from New England are flocking there.
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 9:04 pm

massachoicetts wrote:
AUA is great, Ive been there 10 times since 2004 and love it more every time I go.

I really hope AA restores Saturday AUA flights, and maybe Delta can bump up to 3-4x a week. Its a hot market and people from New England are flocking there.


What's so fantastic about Aruba?
 
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Mon Feb 17, 2020 11:10 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
massachoicetts wrote:
AUA is great, Ive been there 10 times since 2004 and love it more every time I go.

I really hope AA restores Saturday AUA flights, and maybe Delta can bump up to 3-4x a week. Its a hot market and people from New England are flocking there.


What's so fantastic about Aruba?


Beaches, People, weather, best 5 days of my life and it was free... what’s your problem with it?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 12:31 am

VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
massachoicetts wrote:
AUA is great, Ive been there 10 times since 2004 and love it more every time I go.

I really hope AA restores Saturday AUA flights, and maybe Delta can bump up to 3-4x a week. Its a hot market and people from New England are flocking there.


What's so fantastic about Aruba?


Beaches, People, weather, best 5 days of my life and it was free... what’s your problem with it?


I'm not in stretching out on hot silicon dioxide.
 
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Tue Feb 18, 2020 4:05 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
massachoicetts wrote:
AUA is great, Ive been there 10 times since 2004 and love it more every time I go.

I really hope AA restores Saturday AUA flights, and maybe Delta can bump up to 3-4x a week. Its a hot market and people from New England are flocking there.


What's so fantastic about Aruba?


Beaches, People, weather, best 5 days of my life and it was free... what’s your problem with it?


Not only do I love you for your amaizng T100 Stats and all other Data, but for your love of AUA too!

Also Cranes are VERY visible on TE Expansion from up high in the Seaport!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 5:29 pm

massachoicetts wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

What's so fantastic about Aruba?


Beaches, People, weather, best 5 days of my life and it was free... what’s your problem with it?


Not only do I love you for your amaizng T100 Stats and all other Data, but for your love of AUA too!

Also Cranes are VERY visible on TE Expansion from up high in the Seaport!


Not that it hasn't been a very prominent part of life over here so far, but now it's really taking shape. The structure is going to begin going up soon.

On the inside of E, some of the old ticketing counters are being converted to check in counters as well. Temporary of course, given that all the counters will be replaced.

It's always fun to have foreign reps from airlines who come over once or twice a year. The terminal area looks different pretty much every time they come.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:05 am

IMG-3994.JPG


Someone asked about wing clearance if multiple A330s were next to each other. Here is a 763 next to an A333 and my ride to ATL between them at Boston.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:40 am

Gillbilly wrote:
IMG-3994.JPG

Someone asked about wing clearance if multiple A330s were next to each other. Here is a 763 next to an A333 and my ride to ATL between them at Boston.



Try using imgur.

https://imgur.com/upload
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 12:44 am

tlecam wrote:
Gillbilly wrote:
IMG-3994.JPG

Someone asked about wing clearance if multiple A330s were next to each other. Here is a 763 next to an A333 and my ride to ATL between them at Boston.



Try using imgur.

https://imgur.com/upload


Thanks, good idea. I'm a millennial and can't figure this stuff out!

https://imgur.com/a/CZjyuCt
 
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Posting images on this site is oddly complicated, and I was Comp sci major.

Not much clearance left!
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:24 pm

https://onemileatatime.com/hainan-airlines-end-near/
If this does occur, would be quite the shakeup in terms of Asian routes from BOS. Hopefully, if the company does disappear, which I really hope it doesn't, another Chinese airline will step in. The market is definitely proven at this point.
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:07 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
https://onemileatatime.com/hainan-airlines-end-near/
If this does occur, would be quite the shakeup in terms of Asian routes from BOS. Hopefully, if the company does disappear, which I really hope it doesn't, another Chinese airline will step in. The market is definitely proven at this point.


A take-over by Air China seems to be an option. And if CA start PEK-BOS then at least *A has an TPAC presence in BOS.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:21 pm

I would assume air china take over those routes.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:27 pm

Boston-China (and many secondary US-China markets) will remain unserved for a year or two. The traffic isn’t going to recover quickly.
a.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 5:28 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
NickolayAv wrote:
https://onemileatatime.com/hainan-airlines-end-near/
If this does occur, would be quite the shakeup in terms of Asian routes from BOS. Hopefully, if the company does disappear, which I really hope it doesn't, another Chinese airline will step in. The market is definitely proven at this point.


A take-over by Air China seems to be an option. And if CA start PEK-BOS then at least *A has an TPAC presence in BOS.


Gotta admit, I was wrong. I really thought they'd weather this storm better. I guess it's just too much catching up to them at once.

CA would be a good option. Not the most exciting livery to add to the lineup though!
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:43 pm

General question for the DL savants who know about JFK. I am planning to take my family: BOS-JFK-BOM with BOM being the main destination. Note that I have a 4.5 year old kid who will be about 5.3 years when he travels to BOM. I wanted to know how easy is the transfer between domestic to international or is it onerous? I mean is it as seamless as taking CMH-BOS-LHR in Terminal A or you have to go through hoops? Please note that there is a family here and if it's too much, I plan to take BOS-DOH-BOM on QR. I have had very bad experiences at LHR with security and my wife won't ever take that route.

My personal trips on business would have been through AA/BA due to my FF affiliation.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:55 pm

I think on the way over, you should be fine. On the way back, you will experience how bad JFK airport customs are. One of my worst experiences was waiting in the non American queue in terminal 4 after a long trip back from Singapore. If you are American citizen, it's not as bad.
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 6:58 pm

iyerhari wrote:
General question for the DL savants who know about JFK. I am planning to take my family: BOS-JFK-BOM with BOM being the main destination. Note that I have a 4.5 year old kid who will be about 5.3 years when he travels to BOM. I wanted to know how easy is the transfer between domestic to international or is it onerous? I mean is it as seamless as taking CMH-BOS-LHR in Terminal A or you have to go through hoops? Please note that there is a family here and if it's too much, I plan to take BOS-DOH-BOM on QR. I have had very bad experiences at LHR with security and my wife won't ever take that route.

My personal trips on business would have been through AA/BA due to my FF affiliation.


Relatively easy compared to many connections. You either arrive at terminal 2 or 4 at JFK, which are both DL. If at T2 you can take the JFK jitney or whatever they call it these days, which is a shuttle bus over to T4. From there you can walk directly to your next gate. No baggage pick up or drop off, no rescreening at TSA, just a bus and a walk, or if you arrive at T4, just a walk.

Might be a bit of walking for the little one, but before hopping on JFK-BOM...maybe some tired legs will do you some favors down the road. (Or a few hours into the NA tracks)
 
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:40 pm

iyerhari wrote:
General question for the DL savants who know about JFK. I am planning to take my family: BOS-JFK-BOM with BOM being the main destination. Note that I have a 4.5 year old kid who will be about 5.3 years when he travels to BOM. I wanted to know how easy is the transfer between domestic to international or is it onerous? I mean is it as seamless as taking CMH-BOS-LHR in Terminal A or you have to go through hoops? Please note that there is a family here and if it's too much, I plan to take BOS-DOH-BOM on QR. I have had very bad experiences at LHR with security and my wife won't ever take that route.

My personal trips on business would have been through AA/BA due to my FF affiliation.


It's not too bad - we did BOS-JFK - FCO (don't ask - long story) and it was fine on the way there. We landed at T2 and took the jitney to T4 with no drama.

On the way back, T4 customs can be a nightmare - I have Global Entry but the corridors get so jammed you can't even get to the GLobal Entry queue. However, the BOM flight typically lands early AM, before 7. Shouldn't have much of an issue at that time.

Your kid is a trooper for managing those long haul flights!
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Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:56 pm

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It's not too bad - we did BOS-JFK - FCO (don't ask - long story) and it was fine on the way there. We landed at T2 and took the jitney to T4 with no drama.

On the way back, T4 customs can be a nightmare - I have Global Entry but the corridors get so jammed you can't even get to the GLobal Entry queue. However, the BOM flight typically lands early AM, before 7. Shouldn't have much of an issue at that time.

Your kid is a trooper for managing those long haul flights!

Thank you. I have Global Entry but not my wife and kid. I have tried the Europe option but LHR has been very painful and bad experience especially the security lanes.

I have two options:

Option 1: Take two medium haul flights using Europe. The challenge is by the time my son ends up sleeping, it is time to wake up. It gets challenging in the next flight which is longer when you are going in.
Option 2: Take one long flight and hopefully he sleeps the good bit there and the rest of the journey we can tide it through. E.g. QR flight leaves very late and with my AA FF status, I can take him to the lounge and he sleeps through the night. Else, he takes the JFK flight to BOM.

I am sorry - my intent is not to make this a personal travel diary but just soliciting feedback. I know what to expect in Europe, or Doha but do not know the JFK landscape as have never taken that!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 10:43 pm

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LIS - Combined 85.7% 25,699 [14,799] (88.3%)

DL
Load Factor: 91.2%
Flights: 62
Seats: 11,999
Pax: 10,942

TP
Load Factor: 82.1% [88.3%]
Flights: 61 [62]
Seats: 17,984 [16,761] - 8.3%, (1.5%)
Pax: 14,757 [14,799] - (1.6%), 1.3%

Another route where DL has entered a market and really helped to enhance it. TP and DL can coexist here. TP's load factor dropped due to the use of the 333 over the 332, they actually did increase their market a little bit, but not enough to compare to the capacity uplift. DL weigh in with over 90%, smaller aircraft of course, but still definitely an acceptable level I would think.

I don't think we can make any assumptions based on last Summer's loads. DL had some incredible introductory fares that TP was force to match. I took advantage of those fares to go to Portugal in July for $400 R/T including checked bag and seat selection. those fares did not come back for this Summer so I'm far more interested in how things will look like this Summer.
I suspect the same was true for all the new TATL routes that DL added last Summer/
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I agree. The old site was so much better for that.
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I think on the way over, you should be fine. On the way back, you will experience how bad JFK airport customs are. One of my worst experiences was waiting in the non American queue in terminal 4 after a long trip back from Singapore. If you are American citizen, it's not as bad.

I agree 100%. I will never ever use JFK as an inbound international gateway unless it saves me at least $1000.
On the plus side, his wife will probably start liking LHR again because I just can't imagine it being worse than JFK :rotfl:
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:12 pm

I wonder how large the Coronavirus impact will be on the Boston Metro economy. I can imagine that if the health crisis keeps going, a lot of (new) students from Asia won't make it to New England colleges to start the new semester and the new school year. That must be a huge financial hit to the economy.
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:06 pm

BIRD STRIKE
I was spotting this morning since the Hawaiian was running 1hr behind it's scheduled arrival (which means it arrived during sunrise), when I heard over LiveATC that B6 133 hit something during rotate.

They decided to return do to a burning smell, I took some pics of the arrival as well as the Massport fireboat which responded to the runway 22L threshold. I have also made a *ROUGH* transcript of some of the messages from the flight 133 crew.

All of this can be found here: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1231658887415259136?s=20
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:17 am

Dieuwer wrote:
I wonder how large the Coronavirus impact will be on the Boston Metro economy. I can imagine that if the health crisis keeps going, a lot of (new) students from Asia won't make it to New England colleges to start the new semester and the new school year. That must be a huge financial hit to the economy.

Why won't the Asian students make it to Boston? Only China has imposed an outbound travel ban. No other country has done that.
And although Chinese students and visitors are important to Boston's economy I suspect this will all have cleared by the time the Summer rolls on. If not, the impact on the Boston economy from Chinese students will be the least of everyone's problems.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:37 am

airbazar wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
I wonder how large the Coronavirus impact will be on the Boston Metro economy. I can imagine that if the health crisis keeps going, a lot of (new) students from Asia won't make it to New England colleges to start the new semester and the new school year. That must be a huge financial hit to the economy.

Why won't the Asian students make it to Boston? Only China has imposed an outbound travel ban. No other country has done that.
And although Chinese students and visitors are important to Boston's economy I suspect this will all have cleared by the time the Summer rolls on. If not, the impact on the Boston economy from Chinese students will be the least of everyone's problems.


I have a trip to Italy coming up in April and I admit I'm getting worried...
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:54 pm

Morning everyone, coming live and direct from Harvest Caye, Belize... no sign of norovirus or coronavirus On our ship!
Not much to report on an airline front, except for witnessing a soon to be rare sight of an AF380 banking out of MIA on its way to CDG, beautiful.

I’m working on some new stats for when i get back from a domestic side of life... more soon.
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:31 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Morning everyone, coming live and direct from Harvest Caye, Belize... no sign of norovirus or coronavirus On our ship!
Not much to report on an airline front, except for witnessing a soon to be rare sight of an AF380 banking out of MIA on its way to CDG, beautiful.

I’m working on some new stats for when i get back from a domestic side of life... more soon.


Enjoy your vacation! Sounds fantastic!
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 7:26 pm

Worried to see if DL drops BOS-FCO plans. I really hope not. Im a little paranoid still from our ORY loss by OW lol.
 
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Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:11 pm

ICN-BOS will likely be suspended very soon. DL is suspending or reducing flights to ICN from all hubs
 
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Thu Feb 27, 2020 2:17 pm

My firm just announced travel bans yesterday and it interestingly includes travel to/from the countries you would expect AND attendance to external meetings that will have over 100 people (e.g. conferences) and internal meetings more than 25 people. Ban lasts through April (so far).
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:37 pm

Even amongst the airlines, a lot of “unnecessary" Duty travel has been restricted. Things like meetings, training, etc. Used to be that if you worked for an airline you'd find yourself traveling for various seminars or training several times a year. These days you can go years without being obligated to go away for work purposes. I'm not complaining though. Don't miss flying a few hours each way for a day trip training that could've been a 5 slide PowerPoint.

Noticed an Atlas 744 in BOS yesterday. Heard it was for WWE or WWF or whatever it is they call themselves these days.
 
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:16 pm

I don’t think domestic growth will outflank losses from flag-carrier pullbacks, so this might be a flat year at best for BOS. And that all depends on how long this lasts. Hopefully, things start trending positively in the spring, when ‘normal’ flu season ends.
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:23 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
I don’t think domestic growth will outflank losses from flag-carrier pullbacks, so this might be a flat year at best for BOS. And that all depends on how long this lasts. Hopefully, things start trending positively in the spring, when ‘normal’ flu season ends.


Apparently, the first antiviral trials should be completed by early April. If the results are good, I assume mass production of the antiviral will start immediately and the first patients can be treated by early May.
 
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:57 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
I don’t think domestic growth will outflank losses from flag-carrier pullbacks, so this might be a flat year at best for BOS. And that all depends on how long this lasts. Hopefully, things start trending positively in the spring, when ‘normal’ flu season ends.


Apparently, the first antiviral trials should be completed by early April. If the results are good, I assume mass production of the antiviral will start immediately and the first patients can be treated by early May.


Clinical trials of a new drug in the US takes a year or more. We will not have a vaccine or drug for this for at least 1.5 years. A new treatment drug however already exists and is in advanced stages of clinical trials because it was originally studied during the SARS and MERS outbreaks and later developed to fight EBOLA. But while that might be available soon enough in China, it won't be here and in many other countries'.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/2115 ... hina-ebola
Personally I still think this thing has been blown way out of proportion but what do I know.
 
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 6:35 pm

airbazar wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
I don’t think domestic growth will outflank losses from flag-carrier pullbacks, so this might be a flat year at best for BOS. And that all depends on how long this lasts. Hopefully, things start trending positively in the spring, when ‘normal’ flu season ends.


Apparently, the first antiviral trials should be completed by early April. If the results are good, I assume mass production of the antiviral will start immediately and the first patients can be treated by early May.


Clinical trials of a new drug in the US takes a year or more. We will not have a vaccine or drug for this for at least 1.5 years. A new treatment drug however already exists and is in advanced stages of clinical trials because it was originally studied during the SARS and MERS outbreaks and later developed to fight EBOLA. But while that might be available soon enough in China, it won't be here and in many other countries'.
https://www.theverge.com/2020/2/26/2115 ... hina-ebola
Personally I still think this thing has been blown way out of proportion but what do I know.


I agree with the "Blown Out of Proportion".
Did you know that approximately 1,250,0000 people die in global car accidents each year? That is more than 100,000 each month. So far, Coronavirus deaths have been about 3,000 total.

https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/
 
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Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:47 pm

Well just pulled in to A17 on a lovely 20+ year old NW sourced DL320.
Decent flight actually. No panic about viruses on this flight, also it was 100% load... plus our cruise ship this week was also full. Effects have not hit yet, but I suspect they are coming
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:24 am

TK has made it official that they’re sticking with the A333 instead of switching to the 789 through the summer.
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 11:35 am

ChrisNH38 wrote:
TK has made it official that they’re sticking with the A333 instead of switching to the 789 through the summer.


https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-28feb20/
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 2:08 pm

Looks like they're replacing the service that would have gone to Boston with giving SFO and ORD additional frequencies.
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 5:03 pm

Flew back from CLE yesterday on DL after flying out on B6. That E jet was pretty full including no empty seats in first. Really curious to see if B6 adds something more like first class to their domestic product to better compete. Especially in places like BOS DL is going to use its loyalty perks like better seats/lounges/etc to their advantage in trying to get business travelers.

A side note quite alot of people on that flight asking the flight attendant about getting to E for international connections, although a few were happy to hear the DL flights left out of the same terminal. While others flying Skyteam partners got the low down on the walk to E. Looks like connections are alive and well in the new "DL Hub" :). My experience was much like VS4ever, people seemed pretty relaxed as far as virus fears.
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 6:59 pm

Coming up from Raleigh on B6 the other night, there were several people heading over to E for their onward flights.

Gate guy at RDU, with heavy Noo Yawk accent:

"We're going to run out of bin space pretty quickly on this flight, so if you're a Yankees fan I'll take your bags down the ramp for you to be checked. If you're a Red Sox fan, you'll have to do it yourself."
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:16 pm

BOS Jan-2020 nos. are finally out.

Total airport pax Jan-2020: 2,940,985
Total airport pax Jan-2019: 2,710,036
MTM AAGR: 8.52% (thank you domestic Logan! Please add few more destinations! ;))

Total international pax: 579,541
Total international pax 2019: 521,356
International pax as a % of domestic: ~20%

Detailed stats:

Jan-20 Jan-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1307 1902 -31.28%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 201,902 137,321 47.03%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,152,657 2,043,633 5.33%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,355,866 2,182,856 7.93%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 121,458 98,719 23.03%
Canada 54,542 57,396 -4.97%
Central America 30,330 36,390 -16.65%
Europe 235,145 220,683 6.55%
Middle East 69,222 52,850 30.98%
South America 8,773 11,635 -24.60%
Trans-Pacific 57,387 43,683 31.37%
North Africa 2,684 0 #DIV/0!
Total International passengers 579,541 521,356 11.16%

General Aviation 5,578 5,824 -4.22%
Total Airport pax 2,940,985 2,710,036 8.52%

Tomorrow is MA elections day! Good luck to the winner!
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:18 pm

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ICN-BOS will likely be suspended very soon. DL is suspending or reducing flights to ICN from all hubs

As per enilrea's weekly OAG email, there is only a reduction of frequency. I did see DL has reduced ATL and MSP. Is there more to this?
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:23 pm

iyerhari wrote:
AvGeekBOS wrote:
ICN-BOS will likely be suspended very soon. DL is suspending or reducing flights to ICN from all hubs

As per enilrea's weekly OAG email, there is only a reduction of frequency. I did see DL has reduced ATL and MSP. Is there more to this?


Delta’s suspending MSP-ICN and reducing SEA/DTW/ATL-ICN.

Korean Air is also reducing other international routes: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-27feb20/
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 9:34 pm

Ishrion wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
AvGeekBOS wrote:
ICN-BOS will likely be suspended very soon. DL is suspending or reducing flights to ICN from all hubs

As per enilrea's weekly OAG email, there is only a reduction of frequency. I did see DL has reduced ATL and MSP. Is there more to this?


Delta’s suspending MSP-ICN and reducing SEA/DTW/ATL-ICN.

Korean Air is also reducing other international routes: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-27feb20/

Yes. that is what I also mentioned as per enilrea's thread but you had mentioned it will be suspended. Reduction is not the same as suspension correct :)
 
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Mon Mar 02, 2020 10:48 pm

iyerhari wrote:
BOS Jan-2020 nos. are finally out.

Total airport pax Jan-2020: 2,940,985
Total airport pax Jan-2019: 2,710,036
MTM AAGR: 8.52% (thank you domestic Logan! Please add few more destinations! ;))

Total international pax: 579,541
Total international pax 2019: 521,356
International pax as a % of domestic: ~20%

Detailed stats:

Jan-20 Jan-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 1307 1902 -31.28%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 201,902 137,321 47.03%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,152,657 2,043,633 5.33%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,355,866 2,182,856 7.93%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 121,458 98,719 23.03%
Canada 54,542 57,396 -4.97%
Central America 30,330 36,390 -16.65%
Europe 235,145 220,683 6.55%
Middle East 69,222 52,850 30.98%
South America 8,773 11,635 -24.60%
Trans-Pacific 57,387 43,683 31.37%
North Africa 2,684 0 #DIV/0!
Total International passengers 579,541 521,356 11.16%

General Aviation 5,578 5,824 -4.22%
Total Airport pax 2,940,985 2,710,036 8.52%

Tomorrow is MA elections day! Good luck to the winner!


Well well well, pretty darn good set of results, sad they didn't quite make 3m, but 8.5% uplift over 19 is impressive.

Caribbean - best ever Jan, 8th best of all time (since 1998 when I have Massport results from)
Canada - still being impacted by the loss of a bunch of the WS flights, but also PD and others seem to be down a bit generally too.
Central America - Similar situation to Canada following the reduction in flying last year. now flowing over to 2020. plus MEX finally left the station, so that will filter through too.
Europe - best ever Jan and in some past years 235K, would be akin to a May level of flying, just shows how far we've come.
Middle East - The whale strikes again, bigger number than Jan 17 when EK were running the double daily. also 6th best of all time, ahead of May 2016 and just behind June 2019 (freaking June!)
South America - like Cent Am and others, suffering from loss of service, will continue like this for a few months yet until the numbers normalize
Asia - The calm before the storm, it's a shame, best Jan ever AND actually the 5th highest number ever behind June 19 (yes, freaking June again!), alas we know fine well that the Feb numbers and March numbers are going to tank badly, Not sure the 14K uplift will help them carry through, but look what could have been.....

Domestic - Jet - Record January, also better than any February and better than any March up to March 2015.
Commuter - DL flying at the double, record January, just beating out Jan 2007, higher than any February and 17 out of 22 March numbers...

Given the Socio economic issues right now, I fully expect this to be the calm before the storm. Asia will get a hit first, then maybe Europe and then the domestics will follow if corporate travel bans continue (note my company has only banned international travel right now)

But as a start to 2020, can't complain.
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