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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 19, 2020 2:52 pm

It's interesting to think about - I know that we're one of the designated entry airports, but I am curious about who is arriving. I also hope that there are stringent evaluations for arriving flights. Critical to flattening the curve.
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Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:47 pm

I just read that TAP will be reducing BOS (and EWR, YYZ, MIA), to twice weekly between March 23rd and April 19th. Those are the only N.America destinations that they will be serving.
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:14 am

BA going from 25 weekly down to daily. A single 772 will ply the route from 3/29 to 4/30
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:52 am

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BA going from 25 weekly down to daily. A single 772 will ply the route from 3/29 to 4/30

Wow. That’s REALLY severe. I’m surprised it wasn’t a 747 or a 380.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:20 pm

Does the order to halt all construction in Boston also applies to Logan's terminal E expansion project, or is construction still in progress?
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:41 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
BA going from 25 weekly down to daily. A single 772 will ply the route from 3/29 to 4/30

Wow. That’s REALLY severe. I’m surprised it wasn’t a 747 or a 380.


So BA has cut JFK to 2x daily and you’re surprised BOS isn’t getting an A380? Lol.
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:09 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
BA going from 25 weekly down to daily. A single 772 will ply the route from 3/29 to 4/30

Wow. That’s REALLY severe. I’m surprised it wasn’t a 747 or a 380.


So BA has cut JFK to 2x daily and you’re surprised BOS isn’t getting an A380? Lol.


No 'LOL.' NYC is much more besieged with COVID-19 than Boston is. The Mayor there and Governor want to clamp down.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:17 pm

airbazar wrote:
Does the order to halt all construction in Boston also applies to Logan's terminal E expansion project, or is construction still in progress?


Pretty sure the order only applied to projects licensed by the city of Boston, so state projects, other cities/towns, agencies like Massport, would not be affected. Wouldn't be surprised to see them shut down soon though--IMO it would be the right thing to do.
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:11 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
BA going from 25 weekly down to daily. A single 772 will ply the route from 3/29 to 4/30

Wow. That’s REALLY severe. I’m surprised it wasn’t a 747 or a 380.

Will this situation make them retire 747s early?
 
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:32 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Wow. That’s REALLY severe. I’m surprised it wasn’t a 747 or a 380.


So BA has cut JFK to 2x daily and you’re surprised BOS isn’t getting an A380? Lol.


No 'LOL.' NYC is much more besieged with COVID-19 than Boston is. The Mayor there and Governor want to clamp down.


You’re nuts.

Demand has collapsed. Surprised they even are bothering with Boston.

The entire AA/BA network from London is going to be down to a skeleton of token service - Boston, JFK, Chicago, Miami, Dulles, Dallas, LAX and San Francisco. Daily to each except JFK gets two. AA ops Dallas and Miami, BA ops the rest.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:22 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

So BA has cut JFK to 2x daily and you’re surprised BOS isn’t getting an A380? Lol.


No 'LOL.' NYC is much more besieged with COVID-19 than Boston is. The Mayor there and Governor want to clamp down.


You’re nuts.

Demand has collapsed. Surprised they even are bothering with Boston.

The entire AA/BA network from London is going to be down to a skeleton of token service - Boston, JFK, Chicago, Miami, Dulles, Dallas, LAX and San Francisco. Daily to each except JFK gets two. AA ops Dallas and Miami, BA ops the rest.


Your anti-Boston rhetoric continues to shine brightly...

Boston is still an important link and there is such a thing as cargo... that’s why they are using a 772 rather than a 380

Maybe you should rejoin this thread when you have something better to say. There are people on this thread that work for Massport/ at Logan. Have a freaking heart.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:45 pm

VS4ever wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:

No 'LOL.' NYC is much more besieged with COVID-19 than Boston is. The Mayor there and Governor want to clamp down.


You’re nuts.

Demand has collapsed. Surprised they even are bothering with Boston.

The entire AA/BA network from London is going to be down to a skeleton of token service - Boston, JFK, Chicago, Miami, Dulles, Dallas, LAX and San Francisco. Daily to each except JFK gets two. AA ops Dallas and Miami, BA ops the rest.


Your anti-Boston rhetoric continues to shine brightly...

Boston is still an important link and there is such a thing as cargo... that’s why they are using a 772 rather than a 380

Maybe you should rejoin this thread when you have something better to say. There are people on this thread that work for Massport/ at Logan. Have a freaking heart.


It’s not anti-Boston. There is virtually no demand right now whatsoever, from Boston or anywhere. A suggestion that it should be an A380 is disconnected from reality. That BA/AA are keeping that much of a network already is surprising.
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:01 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

You’re nuts.

Demand has collapsed. Surprised they even are bothering with Boston.

The entire AA/BA network from London is going to be down to a skeleton of token service - Boston, JFK, Chicago, Miami, Dulles, Dallas, LAX and San Francisco. Daily to each except JFK gets two. AA ops Dallas and Miami, BA ops the rest.


Your anti-Boston rhetoric continues to shine brightly...

Boston is still an important link and there is such a thing as cargo... that’s why they are using a 772 rather than a 380

Maybe you should rejoin this thread when you have something better to say. There are people on this thread that work for Massport/ at Logan. Have a freaking heart.


It’s not anti-Boston. There is virtually no demand right now whatsoever, from Boston or anywhere. A suggestion that it should be an A380 is disconnected from reality. That BA/AA are keeping that much of a network already is surprising.


Yet, and I quote directly from you. “ I am surprised they are even bothering with Boston” If that’s not anti-Boston I’m not entirely sure what else it would mean?
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Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:39 pm

I see that my suggestion for an A380 was foolish, given the collapse in demand. Maybe even a 747. The 77W might work, and one is on the way into town as we speak. But if demand has dried up this severely they need to match whatever demand there is with the correct plane type. But at least the service will be daily. They see the numbers and I sure don’t.
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Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:24 pm

rob2507 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Does the order to halt all construction in Boston also applies to Logan's terminal E expansion project, or is construction still in progress?


Pretty sure the order only applied to projects licensed by the city of Boston, so state projects, other cities/towns, agencies like Massport, would not be affected. Wouldn't be surprised to see them shut down soon though--IMO it would be the right thing to do.

This just came across my news feed and it answers my question:
https://www.bostonglobe.com/2020/03/22/ ... verywhere/
They specifically mention that work at Logan airport is continuing as planned.
ChrisNH38 wrote:
No 'LOL.' NYC is much more besieged with COVID-19 than Boston is. The Mayor there and Governor want to clamp down.

I don't think the reduction has much to do with the severity of the disease as much as with the travel ban. At the end of the day only passengers that meet the exception criteria are allowed to travel and it's not surprising that NYC would have more of those than Boston. Cargo is also a relevant factor here. According to the cargo thread prices have jumped up as much as 4x to the point where operating a passenger plane without passengers but with a full belly is a profitable undertaking. Again, I expect NYC to have a lot more cargo demand than Boston and an A380 would be the least effective type for that job.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 2:20 am

Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:02 am

B6BOSfan wrote:
Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.

It was expected but geez those numbers are harsh. I'm interested in how BOS will fare compared to other airports.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:20 pm

B6BOSfan wrote:
Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.


Holy cannoli, that’s horrible and that’s a massive understatement. They can’t even say it was a comparison against Easter because that was late April last year

I have a suspicion it’s only going to get worse for a while. Those monthly numbers are going to be 100% red ink.

Very sad, but alas the state of the world right now
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:32 pm

B6BOSfan wrote:
Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.


So you are forced to pay usurious rates for regular parking??
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:45 pm

Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but BOS-VIE on OS is gone from the entire schedule. In short, it won't even start.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:26 pm

B6BOSfan wrote:
Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.


They have also suspended Peabody LEX service indefinitely with no notice last week.

Lots of stores/restaurants with modified hours. Also the moving walkways have been shut off (saving on the electric bill).
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 6:33 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:
Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.


So you are forced to pay usurious rates for regular parking??


If you were Massport what would you do? When your revenue has just fallen off a cliff, they have a duty to the tax payers and the state to preserve what they can. So if your premium parking is sitting emptier than it ever will be again, why wouldn’t you shut down the cheap version.
Annoying for the consumer maybe, from a business standpoint makes total sense
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:25 pm

VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.


So you are forced to pay usurious rates for regular parking??


If you were Massport what would you do? When your revenue has just fallen off a cliff, they have a duty to the tax payers and the state to preserve what they can. So if your premium parking is sitting emptier than it ever will be again, why wouldn’t you shut down the cheap version.
Annoying for the consumer maybe, from a business standpoint makes total sense

I don't think Massport is funded by tax payer money.
Closing Economy parking makes sense because it's unlikely that anyone is using it. Even under normal circumstances there are cheaper options for economy parking. Lets also not forget that even premium parking demand had dropped prior to this Pandemic which is why they were able to create the new Rideshare pickup area in the central garage.
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 7:57 pm

airbazar wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

So you are forced to pay usurious rates for regular parking??


If you were Massport what would you do? When your revenue has just fallen off a cliff, they have a duty to the tax payers and the state to preserve what they can. So if your premium parking is sitting emptier than it ever will be again, why wouldn’t you shut down the cheap version.
Annoying for the consumer maybe, from a business standpoint makes total sense

I don't think Massport is funded by tax payer money.
Closing Economy parking makes sense because it's unlikely that anyone is using it. Even under normal circumstances there are cheaper options for economy parking. Lets also not forget that even premium parking demand had dropped prior to this Pandemic which is why they were able to create the new Rideshare pickup area in the central garage.


Yeah I wasn’t thinking of funding per say as Massport is pretty much self funded. I guess their duty to tax payers is to provide the right kind of options to everyone. As you said there are plenty of off airport parking options that are way cheaper, but I come back to Massport don’t need all that parking and they need the revenue. Closing economy makes the most logical sense as they also do not need to provide bus service out there either.
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:50 pm

With all of the recent troubles, it was nice to see that AA2823 managed to make its debut today with the 777-200. Unfortunately though we won’t be seeing it continue on to LHR just yet. :(
 
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Sat Mar 28, 2020 11:55 pm

B6BOSfan wrote:
Some staggering #s released by Massport today regarding passengers departing Logan over the past two weeks:
March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

https://www.wcvb.com/article/bostons-lo ... k/31960128

Massport has also announced, due to lower passenger demand, they are closing the Economy Parking Garage starting Sunday, March 29th. They've also significantly reduced Logan Express service and cut the Bay Bay service.


Wow, I can't imagine what it will look like in a week. There were still a number college students flying in/out of Boston the week of the 16th when the schools all shut down. The Mass Highway Dept put out a stat that total highway traffic was down 44% during the April 23-27 week vs the week before, so I fear how bad they all look.
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:06 am

The Logan Airport that emerges from this pandemic will be a vastly different place than the one that entered.

Among other things, the E expansion seems to be rolling right along. Much easier with none of those pesky pax or planes in the way. My personal concern is going to be its future usage. Used to think it'll be overcapacity by the time it opens, now I'm wondering if it'll even be really needed.

I believe we will bounce back, without a doubt. Not back to where we were (for awhile, at least) but it'll happen. Bear in mind that when the international routes do open back up, it's not going to be a faucet opening. It'll be 3x a week, then 5x, then 7x etc etc.

While unfortunate on a personal level, this refreshing of the industry might be a good thing. I've had a great deal of co-workers who could entertain you with stories from Eastern, TWA, Pan Am, etc. Fascinating people with a wealth of experience, but also up until recently, content to sit in their position while many hopefuls came, and eventually left due to lack of movement.

For me, it's just a stark dose of reality that 3 months ago we were in meetings to discuss how Everyone would handle gate holds, and now you can drive from E4-E9 without seeing a single airplane. And at that, I'm one of the lucky ones.
 
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Sun Mar 29, 2020 12:23 pm

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Holy cannoli, that’s horrible and that’s a massive understatement. They can’t even say it was a comparison against Easter because that was late April last year

I have a suspicion it’s only going to get worse for a while. Those monthly numbers are going to be 100% red ink.

Very sad, but alas the state of the world right now

I think this is only going to get worse - if most of the business travelers are WFH and airlines are flying empty - it's going to be a pretty empty flight except for folks who are stranded who needs to return. I am actually surprised there are at-least these many folks who are still traveling.

Even if it picks up, it will be a very slow and steady recovery with travelers taking measured steps to return back to flying. This also begs a question - if a lot of work can be done remote for many folks is there a compelling reason to travel every week?

It is going to be a very long road to recovery.
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:02 am

This Tuesday (and other days, too) you could, for $31 RT, fly down to MIA on an AA 777, have lunch and dinner there, and fly home the same evening on another 777.

Then I realized it was the devil on my left shoulder feeding me that idea.
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:41 am

Thank God you realized the devil was talking and you came to your senses, because that definitely wouldn't be the ESSENTIAL TRAVEL smh
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:39 am

FGITD wrote:
The Logan Airport that emerges from this pandemic will be a vastly different place than the one that entered.

Among other things, the E expansion seems to be rolling right along. Much easier with none of those pesky pax or planes in the way. My personal concern is going to be its future usage. Used to think it'll be overcapacity by the time it opens, now I'm wondering if it'll even be really needed.

I believe we will bounce back, without a doubt. Not back to where we were (for awhile, at least) but it'll happen. Bear in mind that when the international routes do open back up, it's not going to be a faucet opening. It'll be 3x a week, then 5x, then 7x etc etc.

While unfortunate on a personal level, this refreshing of the industry might be a good thing. I've had a great deal of co-workers who could entertain you with stories from Eastern, TWA, Pan Am, etc. Fascinating people with a wealth of experience, but also up until recently, content to sit in their position while many hopefuls came, and eventually left due to lack of movement.

For me, it's just a stark dose of reality that 3 months ago we were in meetings to discuss how Everyone would handle gate holds, and now you can drive from E4-E9 without seeing a single airplane. And at that, I'm one of the lucky ones.


Is Massport exempt from Mayor Walsh's order that all construction projects in the city be halted?
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:54 am

ChrisNH38 wrote:
This Tuesday (and other days, too) you could, for $31 RT, fly down to MIA on an AA 777, have lunch and dinner there, and fly home the same evening on another 777.

Then I realized it was the devil on my left shoulder feeding me that idea.


it’s downright irresponsible to charge that little. Those fares attract yahoos who minimize the threat. If someone must travel to Miami, say a healthcare worker or someone tending to a dying relative, a fare above $31 won’t prevent them, they can and will pay a price in line with the pre corona world. .
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 12:36 pm

iyerhari wrote:
I think this is only going to get worse - if most of the business travelers are WFH and airlines are flying empty - it's going to be a pretty empty flight except for folks who are stranded who needs to return. I am actually surprised there are at-least these many folks who are still traveling.

I can't imagine getting much worse. There is so much cargo demand that prices have quadrupled and airlines are flying empty passenger planes just to transport cargo. I've read stories of cargo warehouses filled to brim because there isn't enough uplift capacity. I don't know if that's the case in Boston but I suspect it is one big reason why the flights are still operating.

On the topic or airport construction, what a silver lining. One of the biggest criticism about infrastructure planning in this country is that it is too reactionary. We wait until there is a problem to add capacity or fix infrastructure while llaces like SIN and ICN built up airport capacity well ahead of time. For better of for worse Logan has been handed an opportunity here that they should take advantage of. There's no such thing as too much capacity. People aren't going to stop flying after this Pandemic even if it takes a few years.
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 1:58 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
This Tuesday (and other days, too) you could, for $31 RT, fly down to MIA on an AA 777, have lunch and dinner there, and fly home the same evening on another 777.

Then I realized it was the devil on my left shoulder feeding me that idea.


You wouldn’t be able to eat that lunch and dinner at a restaurant, of course.

I was booked this Saturday to fly down to Mia on the 777 and back on one next Monday. Of course I’m cancelling the trip, but it pains the aviation enthusiast in me to miss out on this rare widebody experience.
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:30 pm

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Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but BOS-VIE on OS is gone from the entire schedule. In short, it won't even start.


I suspect Boston will be hit comparatively harder than other airports when things come back to normal, particularly for Asia.

BOS has got some many new carriers over the last few years, no doubt some will fall and will consolidate in NYC.
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:45 pm

SCQ83 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Not sure if this has been mentioned already, but BOS-VIE on OS is gone from the entire schedule. In short, it won't even start.


BOS has got some many new carriers over the last few years, no doubt some will fall and will consolidate in NYC.


I’m certainly hoping HA isn’t on that list of consolidating in NYC. When I flew, I made a point of asking if it was successful enough to continue. Both outbound and inbound crews all said the load factors were very solid and they often times had completely full flights. For perspective, the seatGeek map on the final HA89 (until the mess is over) last Friday showed 23 pax in total. 11 in Y and 12 in F-and they were “socially distanced” as it were. It would be an absolute shame for it to not keep going. Here’s hoping we keep more airlines than we lose! Saw an AA 772 going to MIA this morning. IIRC they were supposed to start LHR with the 772 shortly.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:06 pm

This is all speculation at this point, but hopefully my musings provide some entertainment. For international traffic at BOS, the Asian carriers will for sure take it the hardest once we get to the point of things being opened up again. The large European airlines that service Boston are in a better position to weather the storm long term. They can mess with frequencies and change service among their joint venture partners. Allowing them to adjust to the new level of demand in the post virus BOS (whatever that may be). Although its likely many large airlines will get some sort of financial bailout from their governments. So its hard to account for that in these predictions.

I fully suspect that service from HU at Logan will not survive this virus outbreak. HNA was already struggling financially before the crisis. But now with the Chinese government taking control and planning to sell off their assets its hard to say how things will shake out positively.

CX is another wild card. They were struggling financially before the virus with the large protests in Hong Kong. That being said CX and HU leaving Boston would be a best case scenario for the likes of KE or JL. They would gain the bulk of Boston Asian travel connecting thru their hubs to support their load factors.

I do worry even thinking about what consequences this all has on DL's plan to turn Logan into a mini Europe hub. :worried: Especially with Ed Bastian saying Delta will come out of this a much smaller airline. The Boston area economy has at least shown some resilience in past economic downturns. So that should give us some hope.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:14 pm

If JAL and KE are to pick up the entire slack of Asian traffic, they can't do it on the backs of single-daily 787s. So that will be something to watch. As for DL, this is the second time they've been poised to grow BOS and then stop before the plans were fully realized. However, I think DL will still be a force in Boston...more so than, say, AA or UA.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 6:21 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
If JAL and KE are to pick up the entire slack of Asian traffic, they can't do it on the backs of single-daily 787s. So that will be something to watch. As for DL, this is the second time they've been poised to grow BOS and then stop before the plans were fully realized. However, I think DL will still be a force in Boston...more so than, say, AA or UA.


Good point. Talk about a crazy outcome..if when all of this shakes out we have a KE A380 or 747 showing up in BOS
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:39 pm

well if I am reading this correctly, no DL international flights from BOS for April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01apr20/
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:48 pm

VS4ever wrote:
well if I am reading this correctly, no DL international flights from BOS for April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01apr20/


Not surprising when it’s pretty much true for other hubs such as LAX and JFK.
 
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:23 pm

VS4ever wrote:
well if I am reading this correctly, no DL international flights from BOS for April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01apr20/


I’m wondering if something is off here. No JFK-AMS, LHR or CDG but DTW/ATL-AMS?

Why would DL chase cheaper connecting traffic vs higher yielding O/D from NYC? Right now Detroit is the new NYC for Coronavirus hotspots. So this can’t be why they’re avoiding NYC, no?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:33 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
well if I am reading this correctly, no DL international flights from BOS for April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01apr20/


I’m wondering if something is off here. No JFK-AMS, LHR or CDG but DTW/ATL-AMS?

Why would DL chase cheaper connecting traffic vs higher yielding O/D from NYC? Right now Detroit is the new NYC for Coronavirus hotspots. So this can’t be why they’re avoiding NYC, no?


JFK-AMS, LHR and CDG could very well be just outsourced entirely to their JV partners.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:47 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
well if I am reading this correctly, no DL international flights from BOS for April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01apr20/


I’m wondering if something is off here. No JFK-AMS, LHR or CDG but DTW/ATL-AMS?

Why would DL chase cheaper connecting traffic vs higher yielding O/D from NYC? Right now Detroit is the new NYC for Coronavirus hotspots. So this can’t be why they’re avoiding NYC, no?


The O/D was never higher yielding from NYC. Quite the opposite in fact. The reason they are still flying from DTW/ATL is because of connecting traffic. With the low load factors, they need to fill every seat they can. But even when things settle down, competition will ensure the yields per seat will remain higher from DTW/ATL than NYC, just like before.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 10:43 pm

kavok wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
well if I am reading this correctly, no DL international flights from BOS for April

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-01apr20/


I’m wondering if something is off here. No JFK-AMS, LHR or CDG but DTW/ATL-AMS?

Why would DL chase cheaper connecting traffic vs higher yielding O/D from NYC? Right now Detroit is the new NYC for Coronavirus hotspots. So this can’t be why they’re avoiding NYC, no?


The O/D was never higher yielding from NYC. Quite the opposite in fact. The reason they are still flying from DTW/ATL is because of connecting traffic. With the low load factors, they need to fill every seat they can. But even when things settle down, competition will ensure the yields per seat will remain higher from DTW/ATL than NYC, just like before.


Interesting. Kavok - can you share your sources that breaks down DL’s yields to Europe by hub?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 11:05 pm

Looks like today’s UA ops at BOS were down to two arrivals and three departures....all with lots of empty seats.

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 8:16 pm

BOS Feb-2020 numbers are out. It's still not that bad although March, April and May look to be really bad

YTD Feb-2020: 5,831,498
YTD Feb-2019: 5,426,760

AAGR YTD: 7.5%

Thanks to domestic, the numbers did not tilt very bad for Feb-2020.

Detailed stats:

Feb-20 Feb-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 776 2129 -63.55%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 216,953 141,433 53.40%
Domestic Jet Passenger 2,178,646 2,106,221 3.44%
Total Domestic Passengers 2,396,375 2,249,783 6.52%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 131,714 105,874 24.41%
Canada 52,392 56,344 -7.01%
Central America 28,819 33,798 -14.73%
Europe 194,098 179,320 8.24%
Middle East 47,758 41,088 16.23%
South America 7,972 9,789 -18.56%
Trans-Pacific 22,349 33,836 -33.95%
North Africa 2,340 0 #DIV/0!
Total International passengers 487,442 460,049 5.95%

General Aviation 6,696 6,892 -2.84%
Total Airport pax 2,890,513 2,716,724 6.40%
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 9:14 pm

Last week's #s released by Massport regarding passengers departing Logan:
March 23-29
2019 – 380,247
2020 – 26,611 (93% drop)

Previous two weeks
March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:21 am

B6BOSfan wrote:
Last week's #s released by Massport regarding passengers departing Logan:
March 23-29
2019 – 380,247
2020 – 26,611 (93% drop)

Previous two weeks
March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

Are there other similar-sized airports that are releasing this information? I am interested in knowing how BOS is faring compared to other US airports.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 4:51 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
B6BOSfan wrote:
Last week's #s released by Massport regarding passengers departing Logan:
March 23-29
2019 – 380,247
2020 – 26,611 (93% drop)

Previous two weeks
March 16-22
2019 – 396,646
2020 – 94,758 (76.1% drop)

March 9-15
2019 – 415,401
2020 – 262,315 (36.9% drop)

Are there other similar-sized airports that are releasing this information? I am interested in knowing how BOS is faring compared to other US airports.


The TSA website has been giving numbers on a national scale, and they have correlated pretty closely to BOS's screening numbers.
https://www.tsa.gov/coronavirus/passenger-throughput

It appears the drop for this week is closer to 95-96%

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