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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 3:06 pm

Just a reminder: this is the Boston Aviation Thread. That means that this thread is supposed to be about aviation. Other comments belong in the Non Aviation Forum, as the name implies.

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 06, 2020 7:33 pm

Interesting sight on FR24 today - an Embraer Lineage 1000 enroute from Stansted, having originated in Beirut: https://www.flightradar24.com/AXY0607/2453b3b4

Any insight into who that might be for?
 
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 10:47 am

Interesting to see JAL using their ‘Regional’ 789s to Boston. JA872J yesterday, 875 today. These planes rarely if ever find their way to the U.S.
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Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:52 pm

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Interesting to see JAL using their ‘Regional’ 789s to Boston. JA872J yesterday, 875 today. These planes rarely if ever find their way to the U.S.

I'm surprised this flight is still operating as Japan is now the new hot spot in Asia.
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Wed Apr 15, 2020 11:33 pm

Just wanted to say that LH424 is back on 18 May, as I just booked that flight back to Boston. It's showing that it will be the A380 as well.
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:00 am

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Just wanted to say that LH424 is back on 18 May, as I just booked that flight back to Boston. It's showing that it will be the A380 as well.


I'm not totally sure about that. Just looked up a few airlines I know for a fact will not be operating on a given day, and tried to "buy" a ticket. Most of them let me.

Also a bit ambitious to have an a380.

Seems more likely to be a result of progressive cancellations as the situation develops. Would love to be wrong
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 2:09 am

LH is selling a bunch of US service in May, including 2nd tier cities, with pre-covid A380 services still filed. I don't see most of these operating.
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:22 am

Isn’t that borderline illegal, to allow customers to ‘buy’ seats on flights an airline knows it won’t run?
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 6:18 pm

LH announced today that they are to decommission all A340-600s. So if they do end up flying the BOS service in May (unless they use a 330) doesn't seem crazy that we would see one of their larger planes.

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Thu Apr 16, 2020 7:03 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
LH announced today that they are to decommission all A340-600s. So if they do end up flying the BOS service in May (unless they use a 330) doesn't seem crazy that we would see one of their larger planes.

https://www.businesstraveller.com/busin ... a340-600s/

LH has not updated much of their long haul network past May 18th. They have extended the very limited long haul flying program up until May 17th. Very doubtful the floodgates get open mid May and the rest of the US network goes back online at that time. With demand were it is, the larger markets will come online first and cities added little by little and doubtful it will be in May (some US cities most probably wont even come back this year-or at all). Not sure were BOS falls in all of this, but this will be a slow process and a May resumption seems optimistic.


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Thu Apr 16, 2020 10:26 pm

Is there any website who is compiling when the flight restrictions may be lifted or when individual airlines may be restarting flights?

I am looking for: when international airlines are planning to restart their BOS services - frequency, aircraft, etc? Thanks in advance.
 
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Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:52 pm

ASA wrote:
Is there any website who is compiling when the flight restrictions may be lifted or when individual airlines may be restarting flights?

I am looking for: when international airlines are planning to restart their BOS services - frequency, aircraft, etc? Thanks in advance.



Emirates feeling bullish - re-start 6/1 daily straight in with the 380, their previous filing was a 773.
B6 - 7 weekly SJU and 2 weekly STT
AZ - no time frame yet
CX - no time frame yet
AA - LHR moved to 10/24 daily 772
JAL - cancelled as of today, no time frame for return
DL - all routes currently cancelled no time frame for return yet
KLM - tentative 7/5 restart, no equipment known yet
VS - continuing with daily 333 for the time being
QR -restart 6/1 daily 773
BA - last reported continuing 1 daily 789
KE - no time frame yet
TP - no time frame yet
LH - no time frame yet
LX - no time frame yet
FI - 7 weekly 767 - extension due to run out on Saturday, no information after that
LY - no time frame yet
AC - last report Montreal - 3 daily CR9, YYZ - 3 daily E175
VR - last report said 1 weekly continuing, but that was end of March
AF - no time frame yet
DY - no time frame yet
TK - no time frame yet
HU - Last i saw 4 weekly PVG, but I don't believe that for a minute
PD - planned resumption 6/1

That's all i have been able to find, hope it helps
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:41 am

VS4ever wrote:
ASA wrote:
Is there any website who is compiling when the flight restrictions may be lifted or when individual airlines may be restarting flights?

I am looking for: when international airlines are planning to restart their BOS services - frequency, aircraft, etc? Thanks in advance.



Emirates feeling bullish - re-start 6/1 daily straight in with the 380, their previous filing was a 773.
B6 - 7 weekly SJU and 2 weekly STT
AZ - no time frame yet
CX - no time frame yet
AA - LHR moved to 10/24 daily 772
JAL - cancelled as of today, no time frame for return
DL - all routes currently cancelled no time frame for return yet
KLM - tentative 7/5 restart, no equipment known yet
VS - continuing with daily 333 for the time being
QR -restart 6/1 daily 773
BA - last reported continuing 1 daily 789
KE - no time frame yet
TP - no time frame yet
LH - no time frame yet
LX - no time frame yet
FI - 7 weekly 767 - extension due to run out on Saturday, no information after that
LY - no time frame yet
AC - last report Montreal - 3 daily CR9, YYZ - 3 daily E175
VR - last report said 1 weekly continuing, but that was end of March
AF - no time frame yet
DY - no time frame yet
TK - no time frame yet
HU - Last i saw 4 weekly PVG, but I don't believe that for a minute
PD - planned resumption 6/1

That's all i have been able to find, hope it helps


VS is grounded. It’s not flying to Boston or anywhere else for the next couple of weeks.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:49 am

Yeah, it sure seems like EK is reading some pretty bullish tea leaves that no one else is.
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 2:58 am

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Yeah, it sure seems like EK is reading some pretty bullish tea leaves that no one else is.


No. They have just started testing for Covid-19 for boarding passengers.

https://www.npr.org/sections/coronaviru ... passengers
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:52 am

VS4ever wrote:
Emirates feeling bullish - re-start 6/1 daily straight in with the 380, their previous filing was a 773.
B6 - 7 weekly SJU and 2 weekly STT
AZ - no time frame yet
CX - no time frame yet
AA - LHR moved to 10/24 daily 772
JAL - cancelled as of today, no time frame for return
DL - all routes currently cancelled no time frame for return yet
KLM - tentative 7/5 restart, no equipment known yet
VS - continuing with daily 333 for the time being
QR -restart 6/1 daily 773
BA - last reported continuing 1 daily 789
KE - no time frame yet
TP - no time frame yet
LH - no time frame yet
LX - no time frame yet
FI - 7 weekly 767 - extension due to run out on Saturday, no information after that
LY - no time frame yet
AC - last report Montreal - 3 daily CR9, YYZ - 3 daily E175
VR - last report said 1 weekly continuing, but that was end of March
AF - no time frame yet
DY - no time frame yet
TK - no time frame yet
HU - Last i saw 4 weekly PVG, but I don't believe that for a minute
PD - planned resumption 6/1

That's all i have been able to find, hope it helps


Thanks a lot - really appreciate the list!
Hopefully it will help many of us here ... :thumbsup:
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:10 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
Yeah, it sure seems like EK is reading some pretty bullish tea leaves that no one else is.

Those are very easy tea leaves to read. With the majority of EU and US carriers delaying the restart of flights to Europe, EK should attract the bulk of the demand to the ME and India. Keep in mind that a lot of this traffic is VFR and these people will still plan to travel over the Summer months. All it will take is for the U.S. to lift or alleviate foreign travel restrictions. June is also when non-English speaking foreign college freshmen start arriving in order to start their ESL classes prior to the beginning of the school year.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:47 pm

airbazar wrote:
All it will take is for the U.S. to lift or alleviate foreign travel restrictions. June is also when non-English speaking foreign college freshmen start arriving in order to start their ESL classes prior to the beginning of the school year.


The amount of foreign students coming into area colleges and universities is going to fall of a cliff especially from PRC but maybe ME and Indian Subcontinent backfill it. However, visas are going to be hard to come by. 2019 international traffic numbers will be the peak for a long time in BOS.

Also with EK - are they resuming MCO/FLL in similar fashion? - they probably want to use BOS as a transfer point.
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:13 pm

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The amount of foreign students coming into area colleges and universities is going to fall of a cliff especially from PRC but maybe ME and Indian Subcontinent backfill it. However, visas are going to be hard to come by. 2019 international traffic numbers will be the peak for a long time in BOS.

Also with EK - are they resuming MCO/FLL in similar fashion? - they probably want to use BOS as a transfer point.

Note that India has closed it's international borders and I do not see them open the borders even after May-03. It all depends how gradual the country will reopen. Banks are also going to get straddled due to the huge debt they are going to accrue due to the complete shutdown. IMO, it is a catch-22 situation for students in India - they maybe willing to come but coupled with COVID19 fears in the US plus the fact that most middle-class are dependent on some kind of bank loans to fund their education bills (not everybody is rich!). It's going to take time and nobody knows - I just think EK will take time prior to seeing decent pax loads.
 
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 1:15 pm

FLL is starting back up Sept 1; MCO July 1. So at least for a bit, EK can interline with JetBlue at BOS, which will fill the A380 up even more. Colleges and universities desperately want students back, so that’s something to watch going into the summer months.
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 3:05 pm

I highly doubt EK will open back up with an a380. I'm sure they'll be among the first to come back, but the demand just won't be there. Connections are great, except for the high number of countries that will will be closed.

If they're looking to fill them up through JetBlue, I'd say it's far more likely to be through JFK than Boston.

It might be the perspective of the outside looking in vs being inside, but there will be a huge shift here. Even an airport hitting home runs year after year like BOS, the question for quite a few International carriers isn't when will they resume, it's Will they come back?

It's unfortunate that after all this time and being so close, we likely won't see massports plan of having 3 a380s gated side by side come to fruition.
 
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 5:52 pm

VS4ever wrote:
ASA wrote:
Is there any website who is compiling when the flight restrictions may be lifted or when individual airlines may be restarting flights?

That's all i have been able to find, hope it helps


Add EI 5x weekly to DUB to the list still operating
 
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 6:42 pm

DL was planning on bringing AMS back for May 1st but that has since changed. Currently AMS/CDG/LHR/DUB/FCO return/start June 1st and LGW/MAN/EDI/LIS return/start June 2nd.
 
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 7:06 pm

AF just extended their schedule through 5/31 and no BOS on the list
KL did the same and also BOS not on the list
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Fri Apr 17, 2020 10:36 pm

I have a scheduled LH flight to MUC on 6/8, LH hasn't sent anything of a cancellation yet.
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 5:16 pm

BA Extended their schedule to 5/31 today, changed to 788 from previously reported 789
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Sat Apr 18, 2020 10:47 pm

ASA wrote:
Is there any website who is compiling when the flight restrictions may be lifted or when individual airlines may be restarting flights?

I am looking for: when international airlines are planning to restart their BOS services - frequency, aircraft, etc? Thanks in advance.


Here is the best place that I have found to watch for fileings.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
JB,UA(C5,EV,CHQ,AX),AA(EGF,ZW,AX,PT),DL(OH,YX),FL,WN,LH,BA,AF,AZ,IB,VX,CO
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:25 am

Everything is a moving target. EK has pushed start of A380 service from 1 June to 1 July.
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 1:51 pm

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Everything is a moving target. EK has pushed start of A380 service from 1 June to 1 July.

I think at this time it is safe to assume everything is up in the air. I'm sure you may have seen the recent tweet to block all immigration till the situation gets better. We have to wait for the fine-print from USCIS - but if the hope is for EK/QR for the Indian population then it's going to be an empty flight for the most part.
 
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 2:58 pm

iyerhari wrote:
ChrisNH38 wrote:
Everything is a moving target. EK has pushed start of A380 service from 1 June to 1 July.

I think at this time it is safe to assume everything is up in the air. I'm sure you may have seen the recent tweet to block all immigration till the situation gets better. We have to wait for the fine-print from USCIS - but if the hope is for EK/QR for the Indian population then it's going to be an empty flight for the most part.


That's pretty much it. Everything I've received from various airlines and coworkers is always worded something to the tune of "resume service no sooner than xxxxx with possibility of further delay"

At this point I'd say it wouldn't be the most wild assumption that very little service will resume before the fall. Hopefully we'll see some domestic service pick up, then the internationals will follow suit.
 
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:28 pm

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DL was planning on bringing AMS back for May 1st but that has since changed. Currently AMS/CDG/LHR/DUB/FCO return/start June 1st and LGW/MAN/EDI/LIS return/start June 2nd.


AMS will probably come back quickly. CDG/LHR will be a question of whether DL operates or AF/VS, respectfully, operate under the JBA.

The rest are goners. Delta has not created a S20 Europe schedule like AA/UA have.
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Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:54 pm

DL loaded some summer TATL changes today and BOS will have LHR/CDG/AMS/DUB this summer (so far, subject to change of course). LIS/EDI/LGW/MAN and FCO have all been pulled.
 
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I had a reservation on DL from BOS-LGW and returning CDG-BOS on June-19. I checked my reservation and the itinerary shows on-schedule. I know everything is up in the air - Where did you get the info on the cancels?
 
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I was pricing a LAX-BOS-LIS or LAX-JFK-LIS yesterday on DL for early Sept. Main Cabin was going for about $650 r/t for either connection. Today, as mentioned above, the BOS connection is gone and the JFK connection is now $1190 in MC. Wonderful...lol
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Wed Apr 22, 2020 9:18 am

Only UA ops scheduled for BOS today is a single IAD round trip. Amazing.
 
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Wed Apr 22, 2020 11:39 am

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I had a reservation on DL from BOS-LGW and returning CDG-BOS on June-19. I checked my reservation and the itinerary shows on-schedule. I know everything is up in the air - Where did you get the info on the cancels?


Flights to LGW and others are no longer bookable (tried looking at June, July and August). So far they have not touched BOS-LHR/AMS/CDG/DUB yet.
 
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I had a reservation on DL from BOS-LGW and returning CDG-BOS on June-19. I checked my reservation and the itinerary shows on-schedule. I know everything is up in the air - Where did you get the info on the cancels?

I would expect that CDG-BOS would get canceled too. If you can wait a month, they will cancel your reservation most likely and possibly give you full refund. If you do the cancel, you are stuck with travel bank.
 
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:18 am

Any idea why Boston has been getting Air Canada 7153 to Toronto on a 773 ER? I've seen it a few nights now.
 
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Any idea why Boston has been getting Air Canada 7153 to Toronto on a 773 ER? I've seen it a few nights now.


cargo charters. Not sure how long they're running for.

Certainly an interesting sight to see
 
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FGITD wrote:
Gillbilly wrote:
Any idea why Boston has been getting Air Canada 7153 to Toronto on a 773 ER? I've seen it a few nights now.


cargo charters. Not sure how long they're running for.

Certainly an interesting sight to see


Wonder what they are running through there, that's a lot of lift given their normal service to BOS.

Also are FI still running cargo, as every TATL person knows, fish capacity in a 767 is of critical importance..
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Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:59 pm

VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Gillbilly wrote:
Any idea why Boston has been getting Air Canada 7153 to Toronto on a 773 ER? I've seen it a few nights now.


cargo charters. Not sure how long they're running for.

Certainly an interesting sight to see


Wonder what they are running through there, that's a lot of lift given their normal service to BOS.

Also are FI still running cargo, as every TATL person knows, fish capacity in a 767 is of critical importance..


FI has a cargo flight today so yes
 
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jsteeves3 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
FGITD wrote:

cargo charters. Not sure how long they're running for.

Certainly an interesting sight to see


Wonder what they are running through there, that's a lot of lift given their normal service to BOS.

Also are FI still running cargo, as every TATL person knows, fish capacity in a 767 is of critical importance..


FI has a cargo flight today so yes


I heard the AC 77W has been carrying medical supplies. Not sure how accurate that is, but I can't imagine what Other shipments would warrant a 77w on a route that could more easily be trucked. Either way, it's always fun for a station that normally doesn't see anything bigger than a 320 get one of the big birds.

FI runs the 75F on a normal basis to BOS anyway, and for the moment I think they increased their schedule.

Overall however...ghost town.
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:30 pm

BOS Mar-2020 numbers are out. True to what we all will expect, it's red line all over.

YTD Mar-2020 total pax: 7,465,599
YTD Mar-2019 total pax: 8,884,122
AAGR MTD total pax: -16%

Mar-2020 pax details:

Mar-20 Mar-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 442 1016 -56.50%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 104,919 215,487 -51.31%
Domestic Jet Passenger 1,248,805 2,601,645 -52.00%
Total Domestic Passengers 1,354,166 2,818,148 -51.95%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 85,287 142,382 -40.10%
Canada 24,484 74,654 -67.20%
Central America 16,731 43,907 -61.89%
Europe 100,020 265,474 -62.32%
Middle East 33,206 51,602 -35.65%
South America 5,336 10,846 -50.80%
Trans-Pacific 8,061 42,993 -81.25%
North Africa 1,490 0 #DIV/0!
Total International passengers 274,615 631,858 -56.54%

General Aviation 5,320 7,356 -27.68%
Total Airport pax 1,634,101 3,457,362 -52.74%
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 5:45 pm

FGITD wrote:
jsteeves3 wrote:
VS4ever wrote:

Wonder what they are running through there, that's a lot of lift given their normal service to BOS.

Also are FI still running cargo, as every TATL person knows, fish capacity in a 767 is of critical importance..


FI has a cargo flight today so yes


I heard the AC 77W has been carrying medical supplies. Not sure how accurate that is, but I can't imagine what Other shipments would warrant a 77w on a route that could more easily be trucked. Either way, it's always fun for a station that normally doesn't see anything bigger than a 320 get one of the big birds.

FI runs the 75F on a normal basis to BOS anyway, and for the moment I think they increased their schedule.

Overall however...ghost town.


Any idea where they're parking it?
 
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Fri Apr 24, 2020 6:34 pm

The AC 77W has been carrying supplies for MEMA. IT has originated in China with a stop in Japan for a crew swap and another stop for a crew swap in Toronto and then it goes back to Toronto. It has only carried freight - no passengers and has used Gate E10 at Logan
 
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Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:46 pm

tphuang wrote:
DL by their action seems intent on keeping SEA around. Frankly, if they significantly downsize BOS/RDU/CVG, they can keep SEA around in a slightly reduced capacity.


While I agree that DL downsizing BOS is a possibility, DL does have nonstop service out of BOS to some non-DL hub domestic destinations that have no B6 presence such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF. DL also does not currently face any nonstop competition on its BOS-CVG, BOS-MCI, or BOS-ORF nonstop routes.

It might make sense for DL to hold onto its BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF nonstop routes if DL significantly downsizes at BOS due to (a) lack of nonstop competition on BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF and (b) no B6 presence at CVG, MCI, or ORF.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:48 pm

jplatts wrote:
tphuang wrote:
DL by their action seems intent on keeping SEA around. Frankly, if they significantly downsize BOS/RDU/CVG, they can keep SEA around in a slightly reduced capacity.


While I agree that DL downsizing BOS is a possibility, DL does have nonstop service out of BOS to some non-DL hub domestic destinations that have no B6 presence such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF. DL also does not currently face any nonstop competition on its BOS-CVG, BOS-MCI, or BOS-ORF nonstop routes.

It might make sense for DL to hold onto its BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF nonstop routes if DL significantly downsizes at BOS due to (a) lack of nonstop competition on BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF and (b) no B6 presence at CVG, MCI, or ORF.

why are you keep taking my comments on OAG thread and posting them in other threads? Please stop doing that and reply to me on the OAG thread if you want to comment on it.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:50 pm

tphuang wrote:
jplatts wrote:
tphuang wrote:
DL by their action seems intent on keeping SEA around. Frankly, if they significantly downsize BOS/RDU/CVG, they can keep SEA around in a slightly reduced capacity.


While I agree that DL downsizing BOS is a possibility, DL does have nonstop service out of BOS to some non-DL hub domestic destinations that have no B6 presence such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF. DL also does not currently face any nonstop competition on its BOS-CVG, BOS-MCI, or BOS-ORF nonstop routes.

It might make sense for DL to hold onto its BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF nonstop routes if DL significantly downsizes at BOS due to (a) lack of nonstop competition on BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF and (b) no B6 presence at CVG, MCI, or ORF.

why are you keep taking my comments on OAG thread and posting them in other threads? Please stop doing that and reply to me on the OAG thread if you want to comment on it.


It better fits in this thread.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:58 pm

tphuang wrote:
jplatts wrote:
tphuang wrote:
DL by their action seems intent on keeping SEA around. Frankly, if they significantly downsize BOS/RDU/CVG, they can keep SEA around in a slightly reduced capacity.


While I agree that DL downsizing BOS is a possibility, DL does have nonstop service out of BOS to some non-DL hub domestic destinations that have no B6 presence such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF. DL also does not currently face any nonstop competition on its BOS-CVG, BOS-MCI, or BOS-ORF nonstop routes.

It might make sense for DL to hold onto its BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF nonstop routes if DL significantly downsizes at BOS due to (a) lack of nonstop competition on BOS-CVG/MCI/ORF and (b) no B6 presence at CVG, MCI, or ORF.

why are you keep taking my comments on OAG thread and posting them in other threads? Please stop doing that and reply to me on the OAG thread if you want to comment on it.

I personally feel nobody knows what and where the direction is? In the sense, it could be the genesis of a new airline industry taking a different shape and maybe in the future it is business as usual OR who knows. I truly appreciate everything that enilrea does but the situation is so bad that nobody knows especially with airline industry.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:49 pm

iyerhari wrote:
I personally feel nobody knows what and where the direction is? In the sense, it could be the genesis of a new airline industry taking a different shape and maybe in the future it is business as usual OR who knows. I truly appreciate everything that enilrea does but the situation is so bad that nobody knows especially with airline industry.

Personally I don't think anything is going to change, just like nothing changed after SARS or after either of the previous Coronavirus outbreaks (MERS). At some point there will be both a vaccine and more efficient treatment and people will forget all about this and move on with their lives. The only changes I see coming out of this are laws and regulations regarding health care and Pandemic preparation which would have a financial impact to airlines (and every other business), but non-impacting for the passenger.

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