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tphuang
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:41 pm

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:

DL's Skyteam partner KE can offer connection from Boston to Asia via ICN. No need to fly the wrong way for 6 hours.
Besides, BOS-SFO has been a bloodbath for economy fares.


As has cut BOS-SFO for July. August is still too far out to know what their final schedule looks like. DL has cut BOS-SFO for July/August. They haven't made their September cuts yet. I'd be very shocked to see that come back anytime soon, since they have said to not expect any domestic additions for rest of the year. I think airlines will all be conservative with capacity for rest of the year.


Don’t know where to start... you cannot compare AS at SFO to DL at BOS -DL at BOS is running a larger, more international and more profitable operation. It may not be a profitable route at this time but DL is going to run it (just like B6 is going to run ATL or IAH) because it’s one of the biggest business markets from Boston, even though it may not be one of the most profitable, and may be a hub for another airline. London used to be a similar situation and look what happened; it has grown in load-factor, become more profitable and increased in flights (for Delta). I got news for you, DL at BOS is going to grow, and it may seem bleak right now, but it’s going to grow. You’ve challenged what I’ve stated on this forum when I’ve provided sources, and you’ve shot down and tried to discredit what I’ve said and you haven’t provided any data or sources and it’s been all speculative. You are clearly a very biased person, and you have your own agenda when it comes to airlines you support. DL and B6 will be huge contenders at BOS, and B6 will probably be more profitable and bigger, but you can’t just shoot down the strategy of B6 competitors.


You should start by looking at the trail of replies. Dieuwer stated he doesn't know why AS/DL are still on BOS-SFO. I simply replied that they are in fact not flying these routes and DL has cut it out for longer than AS. This has nothing to do with our other arguments. Frankly, I'm not looking to rehash these arguments with you.

Look around BOS. Demand is way down. Business travel is way down. Airlines are going to be really conservative with capacity for the rest of this year.

Other things to think about when it comes to capacity out of BOS.
- B6 has been seeing very light bookings in those shorthaul business markets that have traditionally relied on high frequencies on E90 jet. They are having a real hard time adding back flights at BOS. Not likely to see many flights on top of their August schedule which peaks at a little over 90 flights. Likely to stay under 100 for rest of th year
- DL has indicated to its employees that what they operate in August is most likely the capacity they will have the rest of the year. And given Jan/Feb are typically the lowest month, they likely won't add back anything on top of what they operate in August until late February or March.

So what you see in late July and August is likely what you are going to see for a while.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Jun 30, 2020 11:50 pm

Actually, an argument FOR AS keeping BOS-SFO is its ascension to OneWorld. I would surmize that OneWorld would want to have a foothold in a important business route like that. Not withstanding the current crisis (which will not last forever).
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:20 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Gov. Baker just slapped quarantine requirements on every traveler except those from the Northeast.
That can't be good for TCONs and flights from the south. More July and August cuts coming soon!


That is not true. The 14 day quarantine from all other states into MA had been in place for months. It was just modified to exempt the other 5 New England states, plus Jersey and NY. It got less strict, not more.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 12:59 am

IdlewildJFK wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
Gov. Baker just slapped quarantine requirements on every traveler except those from the Northeast.
That can't be good for TCONs and flights from the south. More July and August cuts coming soon!


That is not true. The 14 day quarantine from all other states into MA had been in place for months. It was just modified to exempt the other 5 New England states, plus Jersey and NY. It got less strict, not more.


Yes, but "More Is Less" remember?
Now that the entire New England plus NJ and NY are fair game, people might reconsider taking that far flung trip and stay "closer at home" instead. For example, instead of Myrtle Beach now people might go to Ogunquit. Or Atlantic City instead of Las Vegas. Or go to Lake Ontario instead of Lake Michigan.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:08 am

tphuang wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

As has cut BOS-SFO for July. August is still too far out to know what their final schedule looks like. DL has cut BOS-SFO for July/August. They haven't made their September cuts yet. I'd be very shocked to see that come back anytime soon, since they have said to not expect any domestic additions for rest of the year. I think airlines will all be conservative with capacity for rest of the year.


Don’t know where to start... you cannot compare AS at SFO to DL at BOS -DL at BOS is running a larger, more international and more profitable operation. It may not be a profitable route at this time but DL is going to run it (just like B6 is going to run ATL or IAH) because it’s one of the biggest business markets from Boston, even though it may not be one of the most profitable, and may be a hub for another airline. London used to be a similar situation and look what happened; it has grown in load-factor, become more profitable and increased in flights (for Delta). I got news for you, DL at BOS is going to grow, and it may seem bleak right now, but it’s going to grow. You’ve challenged what I’ve stated on this forum when I’ve provided sources, and you’ve shot down and tried to discredit what I’ve said and you haven’t provided any data or sources and it’s been all speculative. You are clearly a very biased person, and you have your own agenda when it comes to airlines you support. DL and B6 will be huge contenders at BOS, and B6 will probably be more profitable and bigger, but you can’t just shoot down the strategy of B6 competitors.


You should start by looking at the trail of replies. Dieuwer stated he doesn't know why AS/DL are still on BOS-SFO. I simply replied that they are in fact not flying these routes and DL has cut it out for longer than AS. This has nothing to do with our other arguments. Frankly, I'm not looking to rehash these arguments with you.

Look around BOS. Demand is way down. Business travel is way down. Airlines are going to be really conservative with capacity for the rest of this year.

Other things to think about when it comes to capacity out of BOS.
- B6 has been seeing very light bookings in those shorthaul business markets that have traditionally relied on high frequencies on E90 jet. They are having a real hard time adding back flights at BOS. Not likely to see many flights on top of their August schedule which peaks at a little over 90 flights. Likely to stay under 100 for rest of th year
- DL has indicated to its employees that what they operate in August is most likely the capacity they will have the rest of the year. And given Jan/Feb are typically the lowest month, they likely won't add back anything on top of what they operate in August until late February or March.

So what you see in late July and August is likely what you are going to see for a while.


What you are saying about overall demand in the US is spot on, I agree 100%. I think where we disagree is DL’s commitment to BOS. Based on your posts, you clearly articulate (based on speculation and your own bias) that DL is not ambitious towards certain focus cites and I don’t fully agree.. I mean.. bro, they’re adding flights back.. Again, for you to dismiss Boston, and state that DL will run the city at possibly 50 flights- do you have any idea as to the nature of the Boston market? No doubt traffic/demand is way down... but something you’ve stated that you’ve been very ambitious about that I’ve called you out on and you’ve never referenced (if you are unwilling to admit, I am more than happy to search and find your posts)
Is DL’s lack of need, BOS is overall a declining market in terms of profitability... Have you ever read an annual report for either carrier??
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:13 am

DL will bring back BOS-SFO when business travel starts to recover, its one of those routes they have to fly if they want to keep their BOS corporate customers happy, even if they lose money on it.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:15 am

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

Don’t know where to start... you cannot compare AS at SFO to DL at BOS -DL at BOS is running a larger, more international and more profitable operation. It may not be a profitable route at this time but DL is going to run it (just like B6 is going to run ATL or IAH) because it’s one of the biggest business markets from Boston, even though it may not be one of the most profitable, and may be a hub for another airline. London used to be a similar situation and look what happened; it has grown in load-factor, become more profitable and increased in flights (for Delta). I got news for you, DL at BOS is going to grow, and it may seem bleak right now, but it’s going to grow. You’ve challenged what I’ve stated on this forum when I’ve provided sources, and you’ve shot down and tried to discredit what I’ve said and you haven’t provided any data or sources and it’s been all speculative. You are clearly a very biased person, and you have your own agenda when it comes to airlines you support. DL and B6 will be huge contenders at BOS, and B6 will probably be more profitable and bigger, but you can’t just shoot down the strategy of B6 competitors.


You should start by looking at the trail of replies. Dieuwer stated he doesn't know why AS/DL are still on BOS-SFO. I simply replied that they are in fact not flying these routes and DL has cut it out for longer than AS. This has nothing to do with our other arguments. Frankly, I'm not looking to rehash these arguments with you.

Look around BOS. Demand is way down. Business travel is way down. Airlines are going to be really conservative with capacity for the rest of this year.

Other things to think about when it comes to capacity out of BOS.
- B6 has been seeing very light bookings in those shorthaul business markets that have traditionally relied on high frequencies on E90 jet. They are having a real hard time adding back flights at BOS. Not likely to see many flights on top of their August schedule which peaks at a little over 90 flights. Likely to stay under 100 for rest of th year
- DL has indicated to its employees that what they operate in August is most likely the capacity they will have the rest of the year. And given Jan/Feb are typically the lowest month, they likely won't add back anything on top of what they operate in August until late February or March.

So what you see in late July and August is likely what you are going to see for a while.


What you are saying about overall demand in the US is spot on, I agree 100%. I think where we disagree is DL’s commitment to BOS. Based on your posts, you clearly articulate (based on speculation and your own bias) that DL is not ambitious towards certain focus cites and I don’t fully agree.. I mean.. bro, they’re adding flights back.. Again, for you to dismiss Boston, and state that DL will run the city at possibly 50 flights- do you have any idea as to the nature of the Boston market? No doubt traffic/demand is way down... but something you’ve stated that you’ve been very ambitious about that I’ve called you out on and you’ve never referenced (if you are unwilling to admit, I am more than happy to search and find your posts)
Is DL’s lack of need, BOS is overall a declining market in terms of profitability... Have you ever read an annual report for either carrier??


Again, I see no reason to engage you here, but you are falsifying my words. My positions have been laid out in several places by now. I have said 70 to 90 flight focus City for the next few years until the effect of this pandemic is over. Don't misrepresent my words.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 1:32 am

tphuang wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
tphuang wrote:

You should start by looking at the trail of replies. Dieuwer stated he doesn't know why AS/DL are still on BOS-SFO. I simply replied that they are in fact not flying these routes and DL has cut it out for longer than AS. This has nothing to do with our other arguments. Frankly, I'm not looking to rehash these arguments with you.

Look around BOS. Demand is way down. Business travel is way down. Airlines are going to be really conservative with capacity for the rest of this year.

Other things to think about when it comes to capacity out of BOS.
- B6 has been seeing very light bookings in those shorthaul business markets that have traditionally relied on high frequencies on E90 jet. They are having a real hard time adding back flights at BOS. Not likely to see many flights on top of their August schedule which peaks at a little over 90 flights. Likely to stay under 100 for rest of th year
- DL has indicated to its employees that what they operate in August is most likely the capacity they will have the rest of the year. And given Jan/Feb are typically the lowest month, they likely won't add back anything on top of what they operate in August until late February or March.

So what you see in late July and August is likely what you are going to see for a while.


What you are saying about overall demand in the US is spot on, I agree 100%. I think where we disagree is DL’s commitment to BOS. Based on your posts, you clearly articulate (based on speculation and your own bias) that DL is not ambitious towards certain focus cites and I don’t fully agree.. I mean.. bro, they’re adding flights back.. Again, for you to dismiss Boston, and state that DL will run the city at possibly 50 flights- do you have any idea as to the nature of the Boston market? No doubt traffic/demand is way down... but something you’ve stated that you’ve been very ambitious about that I’ve called you out on and you’ve never referenced (if you are unwilling to admit, I am more than happy to search and find your posts)
Is DL’s lack of need, BOS is overall a declining market in terms of profitability... Have you ever read an annual report for either carrier??


Again, I see no reason to engage you here, but you are falsifying my words. My positions have been laid out in several places by now. I have said 70 to 90 flight focus City for the next few years. Don't misrepresent my words.


I mea

What worlds am I falsifying? Okay, I mean, NO. You’re wrong. Look man, I’m not here to make your life miserable. You are VERY biased B6- admit it... you are sleeping in their bed and if you can’t admit this publicly, shame on you- your posts show you are horrifically biased. I am agnostic, and I can easily prove that to you, but for you to be taken seriously, you need to prove you are non biased.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 2:08 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Gov. Baker just slapped quarantine requirements on every traveler except those from the Northeast.
That can't be good for TCONs and flights from the south. More July and August cuts coming soon!

Hummm, We had a quarantine on all travelers coming in from out of state. Gov. Baker actually lifted the quarantine "recommendation" from 7 northeast states. Keep in mind that in MA the 14 day quarantine is not enforceable.
Dieuwer wrote:
If BOS-SFO is so fantastic, maybe we should go back to the old days and have AA fly BOS-SFO again ;)

Based on what AA was doing just before the Pandemic, they were probably headed in that direction anyway.
The main issue for AA on that route is that neither city is an AA hub.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 10:36 am

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:

What you are saying about overall demand in the US is spot on, I agree 100%. I think where we disagree is DL’s commitment to BOS. Based on your posts, you clearly articulate (based on speculation and your own bias) that DL is not ambitious towards certain focus cites and I don’t fully agree.. I mean.. bro, they’re adding flights back.. Again, for you to dismiss Boston, and state that DL will run the city at possibly 50 flights- do you have any idea as to the nature of the Boston market? No doubt traffic/demand is way down... but something you’ve stated that you’ve been very ambitious about that I’ve called you out on and you’ve never referenced (if you are unwilling to admit, I am more than happy to search and find your posts)
Is DL’s lack of need, BOS is overall a declining market in terms of profitability... Have you ever read an annual report for either carrier??


Again, I see no reason to engage you here, but you are falsifying my words. My positions have been laid out in several places by now. I have said 70 to 90 flight focus City for the next few years. Don't misrepresent my words.


I mea

What worlds am I falsifying? Okay, I mean, NO. You’re wrong. Look man, I’m not here to make your life miserable. You are VERY biased B6- admit it... you are sleeping in their bed and if you can’t admit this publicly, shame on you- your posts show you are horrifically biased. I am agnostic, and I can easily prove that to you, but for you to be taken seriously, you need to prove you are non biased.


you wrote "Again, for you to dismiss Boston, and state that DL will run the city at possibly 50 flights- do you have any idea as to the nature of the Boston market? No doubt traffic/demand is way down"

I have been saying 70 to 90 flights focus city all along. That's definitely falsifying my words.

As for rest of your comments. Just personal attacks.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:04 pm

I am not sure if y'all noticed but we have some exciting flights today.

The return of QR with the A359 just landed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but today is also the first time the A350-1000 has been to BOS.
S4 also returns today.

With LH scheduled for tomorrow with the A333.

Happy spotting!
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
JB,UA(C5,EV,CHQ,AX),AA(EGF,ZW,AX,PT),DL(OH,YX),FL,WN,LH,BA,AF,AZ,IB,VX,CO
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:11 pm

I was in Terminal A today and it was quiet but not deserted. Now in DL JFK Skyclub waiting for my flight to AMS.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 7:36 pm

jworks158 wrote:
I am not sure if y'all noticed but we have some exciting flights today.

The return of QR with the A359 just landed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but today is also the first time the A350-1000 has been to BOS.
S4 also returns today.

With LH scheduled for tomorrow with the A333.

Happy spotting!


It's not an a35k, normal a359.

Definitely a lot more activity on over here than the last few months
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:15 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
I was in Terminal A today and it was quiet but not deserted. Now in DL JFK Skyclub waiting for my flight to AMS.


It seems that the flight to AMS is going to be rather full. Gate area very busy.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 8:20 pm

FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
I am not sure if y'all noticed but we have some exciting flights today.

The return of QR with the A359 just landed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but today is also the first time the A350-1000 has been to BOS.
S4 also returns today.

With LH scheduled for tomorrow with the A333.

Happy spotting!


It's not an a35k, normal a359.

Definitely a lot more activity on over here than the last few months

Confusing as written, but I assume that's a reference to the BA A35K which is due to land in a little bit.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 9:24 pm

johhn14 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
I am not sure if y'all noticed but we have some exciting flights today.

The return of QR with the A359 just landed.

Correct me if I am wrong, but today is also the first time the A350-1000 has been to BOS.
S4 also returns today.

With LH scheduled for tomorrow with the A333.

Happy spotting!


It's not an a35k, normal a359.

Definitely a lot more activity on over here than the last few months

Confusing as written, but I assume that's a reference to the BA A35K which is due to land in a little bit.


ah right you are. Misread on my part. As luck would have it, I was standing under that 359 at the time so I was focused on that!
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:42 pm

Just wondering....why does JetBlue operate nonstop flights between Boston and Bozeman MT on weekends? Is there a National Park or some other major attraction in Bozeman that would attract leisure travelers from Boston?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Jul 01, 2020 11:48 pm

BostonBeau wrote:
Just wondering....why does JetBlue operate nonstop flights between Boston and Bozeman MT on weekends? Is there a National Park or some other major attraction in Bozeman that would attract leisure travelers from Boston?


There is indeed, lots of people go to Bozeman to visit Yellowstone
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:38 am

I hope they keep it. Next year summer there is a major conference in Big Sky MT and a nonstop from BOS to BZN would be handy.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 5:47 am

Dieuwer wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
I was in Terminal A today and it was quiet but not deserted. Now in DL JFK Skyclub waiting for my flight to AMS.


It seems that the flight to AMS is going to be rather full. Gate area very busy.


On arrival at AMS, nobody checks your temperature or asks for the health declaration form. In fact you simply present your passport and are waved through. It is almost like business as usual. But the airport is fairly quiet though.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 1:01 pm

BostonBeau wrote:
Just wondering....why does JetBlue operate nonstop flights between Boston and Bozeman MT on weekends? Is there a National Park or some other major attraction in Bozeman that would attract leisure travelers from Boston?

We're on that flight next week and can't wait for the change of scenery :D B6 operates 2x weekly, on Wednesdays and Saturdays.
Bozeman is the gateway to Yellowstone NP and it also provides access to Glacier NP and Grand Teton NP along with a plethora of outdoor activities outside the aforementioned National parks. Bozeman is also the gateway to Big Sky and Yellowstone Club.
Speaking of which, anyone know what food options are open in terminal C at this time? With a 5-hour flight departing at ~11am we're going to need to pack a lunch.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jul 02, 2020 2:54 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -aug-2020/
Looks like HA are restarting 7/30 with 3 weekly
That feeling when you sit at the end of a runway, brakes are released and the raw power takes over. Now that is a thing of beauty and it never gets old.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:03 pm

FGITD wrote:
johhn14 wrote:
FGITD wrote:

It's not an a35k, normal a359.

Definitely a lot more activity on over here than the last few months

Confusing as written, but I assume that's a reference to the BA A35K which is due to land in a little bit.


ah right you are. Misread on my part. As luck would have it, I was standing under that 359 at the time so I was focused on that!


Here some photos from the Inaugural, light wasn't too good unfortunately: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1278517468269608960?s=20

Thankfully the 2nd time around the light was far better, the 2nd A350-1000 flight from yesterday: https://twitter.com/theOrangetechie/status/1279133213760401408?s=20
(A359,A343/A346,A332,A319/320/321,A220-100)(B788,B772,B762,B752,B744/B748,B732/B737/B738,B717)(E190,E145)(CRJ100/200, Dash 8-200)(MD-83)
JB,UA(C5,EV,CHQ,AX),AA(EGF,ZW,AX,PT),DL(OH,YX),FL,WN,LH,BA,AF,AZ,IB,VX,CO
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:25 pm

The "first day" of European operations:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lfp6w0tc9bI
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 8:54 pm

EADSYABSOB73857 wrote:
I got news for you, DL at BOS is going to grow, and it may seem bleak right now, but it’s going to grow. You’ve challenged what I’ve stated on this forum when I’ve provided sources, and you’ve shot down and tried to discredit what I’ve said and you haven’t provided any data or sources and it’s been all speculative. You are clearly a very biased person, and you have your own agenda when it comes to airlines you support. DL and B6 will be huge contenders at BOS, and B6 will probably be more profitable and bigger, but you can’t just shoot down the strategy of B6 competitors.


DL still has an advantage over B6 at BOS with DL having nonstop service out of BOS to some domestic destinations not currently served by B6 such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF and with DL offering 1-stop connecting service from BOS through other DL hubs to other destinations that are not served by B6.

I had previously mentioned B6 re-entering CMH as a possibility with B6 having already re-entered other destinations that it previously pulled out of such as ATL and BNA.

Another advantage that DL has over B6 at BOS is that DL offers First Class service on nonstop routes out of BOS that do not have B6 Mint service.

In order to strengthen its competitive position at BOS against DL, B6 needs to add nonstop service out of BOS to some additional destinations such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:10 pm

jplatts wrote:

DL still has an advantage over B6 at BOS with DL having nonstop service out of BOS to some domestic destinations not currently served by B6 such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF and with DL offering 1-stop connecting service from BOS through other DL hubs to other destinations that are not served by B6.

I had previously mentioned B6 re-entering CMH as a possibility with B6 having already re-entered other destinations that it previously pulled out of such as ATL and BNA.

Another advantage that DL has over B6 at BOS is that DL offers First Class service on nonstop routes out of BOS that do not have B6 Mint service.

In order to strengthen its competitive position at BOS against DL, B6 needs to add nonstop service out of BOS to some additional destinations such as CVG, CMH, IND, MCI, MKE, and ORF.


In what year are you thinking? 2025, 2035? B6 ignores the Midwest, they are nothing here. Speaking as an STL resident.
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Which are the children of an idle brain." -Mercutio
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 03, 2020 11:47 pm

OzarkD9S wrote:
In what year are you thinking? 2025, 2035? B6 ignores the Midwest, they are nothing here. Speaking as an STL resident.


B6 needs to add nonstop service out of BOS to some additional domestic destinations in the next 5 years (but after demand for domestic air travel out of BOS recovers) in order to remain competitive against DL in the BOS market.

AA, WN, G4, and NK also have nonstop service out of BOS to some domestic destinations not currently served by B6, including the following:
AA - BOS-MDT/IND/EYW/ILM
WN - BOS-STL
G4 - BOS-AVL/VPS/GRR/TYS
NK - BOS-MYR
 
airbazar
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 04, 2020 2:10 am

jplatts wrote:

B6 needs to add nonstop service out of BOS to some additional domestic destinations in the next 5 years (but after demand for domestic air travel out of BOS recovers) in order to remain competitive against DL in the BOS market.


Sorry, was i in a coma for a few years? What did I miss? In order to remain competitive against DL? Are you forgetting who is bigger and more profitable at BOS? It's DL who has a lot of work to do in order to catch up to B6. And given the current setback it could be quite a while until DL reaches that position.
Has DL caught up to AA yet or are they still #3 at BOS?
 
iyerhari
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 04, 2020 12:19 pm

airbazar wrote:
Sorry, was i in a coma for a few years? What did I miss? In order to remain competitive against DL? Are you forgetting who is bigger and more profitable at BOS? It's DL who has a lot of work to do in order to catch up to B6. And given the current setback it could be quite a while until DL reaches that position.
Has DL caught up to AA yet or are they still #3 at BOS?

Prior to COVID days, DL was ahead of AA in terms of number of pax and per Massport, they had plans to further increase the lead. B6 was far ahead of DL. In the present circumstances, it’s tough to say as the demand is so low. It would be interesting to see what unfolds when things start picking up.

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