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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 6:35 pm

DL schedule was reduced from the original plan for August. Now at 35 flights per day and CDG was one of the routes removed. September is tentatively at 65 flights. Retaliation to AA/B6 announcement, as Ed Bastian said there wouldn't be much of anything added post-August. Some of the returning destinations are ORD, DCA, PHL, CMH, IND, CVG, CLE, BNA, RIC. Tentatively LHR and CDG are on the slate as well but we will see if that holds. Some of the destinations that still have not returned are MIA, ORF, and SFO.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:37 pm

Quite interesting. If DL is this upset at AA/B6, I probably will have to revise up my projection of its BOS operation and eat my previous assertions. I was anticipating them to basically stay around 40 to 50 flights until March, but I guess this AA/B6 partnership changes the dynamics at BOS quite a bit.
 
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Sat Jul 18, 2020 11:42 pm

tphuang wrote:
Quite interesting. If DL is this upset at AA/B6, I probably will have to revise up my projection of its BOS operation and eat my previous assertions. I was anticipating them to basically stay around 40 to 50 flights until March, but I guess this AA/B6 partnership changes the dynamics at BOS quite a bit.


I don't understand your post. Are you saying that because DL is upset about AA/B6 they will ADD more flights than initially expected after summer?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:36 am

Apparently Alitalia is back? Looks to be overnighting for a departure to FCO tomorrow.

Good to see Delta back flying international. They’re definitely taking the slow and steady path back. Hope it works out
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 2:35 pm

I wonder if the days of multiple BA flights are over, and if they are we will get one A380 through the year.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 3:37 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
tphuang wrote:
Quite interesting. If DL is this upset at AA/B6, I probably will have to revise up my projection of its BOS operation and eat my previous assertions. I was anticipating them to basically stay around 40 to 50 flights until March, but I guess this AA/B6 partnership changes the dynamics at BOS quite a bit.


I don't understand your post. Are you saying that because DL is upset about AA/B6 they will ADD more flights than initially expected after summer?


Delta normally doesn't take a challenge lying down. And it looks like they feel like they got challenged here. As we've seen them in Seattle, they respond to alliances by attacking back. So we will see what happens.

If you look at the press release of the partnership with respect to BOS
http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=69683
- "alliance agreement that proposes codeshare and loyalty benefits that will enhance each carrier’s offerings in New York and Boston, providing strategic growth and driving value for customers and crewmembers of both airlines"
- "Together, we can offer customers an industry-leading product in New York and Boston with more flights and more seats to more cities."
-"From both New York and Boston, JetBlue plans to enhance service to strategic markets, including those on the East Coast, West Coast, and in the Southeast"
-"This partnership enables JetBlue to bring our low fares and great service to even more customers by expanding our presence in our hometown, growing relevance in Boston"

And I think I also read that AA having more ff at BOS than any other non-hub city.

If codeshare, mileage earning/redemption and loyalty benefits are implemented well, then I think you will see AA flyers fly more on JetBlue and vice versa. Both airlines will have a more robust network out of BOS. The combined AA/B6 operation will easily be far and away the largest in Boston. They'd have over 80% market share on routes like BOS-DCA/PHL and over 50% market share on other major ones like BOS-LAX/ORD.

Delta will need to bring back flights if it wants to be relevant in Boston. The AA/UA ff that had been thinking about switching to DL was already turned off by DL's vastly reduced network several months. Now, they have all the more reason to stick with AA or move to AA.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 19, 2020 5:23 pm

Just returned from a wonderful vacation in Montana and Wyoming, and here are some observations about flying thru Logan and with B6 and UA.
The outbound flight was the new B6 BOS-BZN flight. Terminal C continues to underwhelm. It is IMO the worst of all BOS terminals and it's not just because of the Pandemic. For an 11am departure the only food option for me to buy prior to a 4.5 hour flight was a DD. Even during a Pandemic that's just not acceptable. Terminal B in contrast has various restaurants open.
The B6 flight, an A320 was well filled. I'd say about 70% LF. They are leaving middle seats open but people on the same reservation can reserve the middle seat and there were plenty of families on that flight.
The return flight was on UA, BZN-DEN-BOS. Unlike terminal C at BOS, the tiny little BZN airport had a Starbucks and a full service restaurant open :) Both legs on UA were probably in the 80% LF. UA is not blocking middle seats.
Wearing a facemask on a plane is annoying but enforcement is spotty at best. I saw plenty of people with the mask down, myself included after developing a headache from breathing my own exhaust for hours.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 4:56 pm

BOS June-2020 numbers are out. Certainly domestic is carrying the burden in the shoulders with a bad collapse of international.

Jun-20 Jun-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger
Domestic Commuter Passenger 29,762 241,280 -87.66%
Domestic Jet Passenger 386,619 2,846,383 -86.42%
Total Domestic Passengers 416,381 3,087,663 -86.51%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 13,058 109,218 -88.04%
Canada 1,319 95,096 -98.61%
Central America 0 23,391 -100.00%
Europe 4,270 482,967 -99.12%
Middle East 0 70,010 -100.00%
South America 0 7,604 -100.00%
Trans-Pacific 0 57,917 -100.00%
North Africa 0 1,674 -100.00%
Total International passengers 18,647 847,877 -97.80%

General Aviation 3,238 10,240 -68.38%
Total Airport pax 438,266 3,945,780 -88.89%

M2M comparisons for the past three years.

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 8,202,545 1,372,304
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:11 pm

I wonder how demand in and out of BOS will change with the new measures on the quarantine for out of state travelers.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 7:24 pm

tjerome wrote:
I wonder how demand in and out of BOS will change with the new measures on the quarantine for out of state travelers.


For these to work, some form of authority needs to meet each and every flight (like Hawaii) and document everything for each person (like Hawaii). That doesn't seem likely to be the case, so its essentially an "honor system"...

Recently flew through JFK after Cuomo said everyone had to fill out a form etc etc and that aircraft were going to be met by officials to verify the form was filled out by everyone. Guess what? No one showed up. I had my form, regardless. But people were free to go about in whatever way they wanted...
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:30 pm

tjerome wrote:
I wonder how demand in and out of BOS will change with the new measures on the quarantine for out of state travelers.


Boston travel industry will surely collapse.
I sometimes wonder if politicians purposely want to destroy the economy...
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jul 24, 2020 9:28 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
tjerome wrote:
I wonder how demand in and out of BOS will change with the new measures on the quarantine for out of state travelers.


For these to work, some form of authority needs to meet each and every flight (like Hawaii) and document everything for each person (like Hawaii). That doesn't seem likely to be the case, so its essentially an "honor system"...

Recently flew through JFK after Cuomo said everyone had to fill out a form etc etc and that aircraft were going to be met by officials to verify the form was filled out by everyone. Guess what? No one showed up. I had my form, regardless. But people were free to go about in whatever way they wanted...


Fair point and I know that's what has been going on with the whole "compliance [to quarantine] is expected" thing but the $500 fine seems to imply more will be done. But we will see.
 
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Fri Jul 24, 2020 10:06 pm

tjerome wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
tjerome wrote:
I wonder how demand in and out of BOS will change with the new measures on the quarantine for out of state travelers.


For these to work, some form of authority needs to meet each and every flight (like Hawaii) and document everything for each person (like Hawaii). That doesn't seem likely to be the case, so its essentially an "honor system"...

Recently flew through JFK after Cuomo said everyone had to fill out a form etc etc and that aircraft were going to be met by officials to verify the form was filled out by everyone. Guess what? No one showed up. I had my form, regardless. But people were free to go about in whatever way they wanted...


Fair point and I know that's what has been going on with the whole "compliance [to quarantine] is expected" thing but the $500 fine seems to imply more will be done. But we will see.


Neither the fine nor the quarantine are enforceable. Nobody will be fined.
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 2:16 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Neither the fine nor the quarantine are enforceable. Nobody will be fined.

I pretty much agree. There's really no difference between this new order and what's already been in place other than the threat of a fine.
I think the addition of the $500 fine is to scare incoming students. We must remember that Boston is a huge college city.
A few will be used to make an example of and will have to pay (or maybe not), the fine. I can picture the scenario and newspaper headlines already: There will be an off-campus party that gets too loud, the police will be called and start "asking for papers".
 
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 6:32 pm

airbazar wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Neither the fine nor the quarantine are enforceable. Nobody will be fined.

I pretty much agree. There's really no difference between this new order and what's already been in place other than the threat of a fine.
I think the addition of the $500 fine is to scare incoming students. We must remember that Boston is a huge college city.
A few will be used to make an example of and will have to pay (or maybe not), the fine. I can picture the scenario and newspaper headlines already: There will be an off-campus party that gets too loud, the police will be called and start "asking for papers".


Who is going to campus this fall though? I know Harvard is taking freshman but college campuses are going to be barren until next year.
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Sat Jul 25, 2020 7:38 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
tjerome wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:

For these to work, some form of authority needs to meet each and every flight (like Hawaii) and document everything for each person (like Hawaii). That doesn't seem likely to be the case, so its essentially an "honor system"...

Recently flew through JFK after Cuomo said everyone had to fill out a form etc etc and that aircraft were going to be met by officials to verify the form was filled out by everyone. Guess what? No one showed up. I had my form, regardless. But people were free to go about in whatever way they wanted...


Fair point and I know that's what has been going on with the whole "compliance [to quarantine] is expected" thing but the $500 fine seems to imply more will be done. But we will see.


Neither the fine nor the quarantine are enforceable. Nobody will be fined.


Are you suggesting to not fill in the form in any case?
 
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 2:59 am

Dieuwer wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
tjerome wrote:

Fair point and I know that's what has been going on with the whole "compliance [to quarantine] is expected" thing but the $500 fine seems to imply more will be done. But we will see.


Neither the fine nor the quarantine are enforceable. Nobody will be fined.


Are you suggesting to not fill in the form in any case?


No. Just saying none of this is enforceable, nor will it be enforced. You can’t inhibit travel between the U.S. states and territories.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:39 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Neither the fine nor the quarantine are enforceable. Nobody will be fined.

I pretty much agree. There's really no difference between this new order and what's already been in place other than the threat of a fine.
I think the addition of the $500 fine is to scare incoming students. We must remember that Boston is a huge college city.
A few will be used to make an example of and will have to pay (or maybe not), the fine. I can picture the scenario and newspaper headlines already: There will be an off-campus party that gets too loud, the police will be called and start "asking for papers".


Who is going to campus this fall though? I know Harvard is taking freshman but college campuses are going to be barren until next year.

Lots of people? The 3 largest universities in Boston sure are planning on it:
http://news.northeastern.edu/coronavirus/
https://www.bu.edu/back2bu/
https://www.bc.edu/content/bc-web/sites ... tudent-faq
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Jul 26, 2020 1:49 pm

airbazar wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
I pretty much agree. There's really no difference between this new order and what's already been in place other than the threat of a fine.
I think the addition of the $500 fine is to scare incoming students. We must remember that Boston is a huge college city.
A few will be used to make an example of and will have to pay (or maybe not), the fine. I can picture the scenario and newspaper headlines already: There will be an off-campus party that gets too loud, the police will be called and start "asking for papers".


Who is going to campus this fall though? I know Harvard is taking freshman but college campuses are going to be barren until next year.

Lots of people? The 3 largest universities in Boston sure are planning on it:
http://news.northeastern.edu/coronavirus/
https://www.bu.edu/back2bu/
https://www.bc.edu/content/bc-web/sites ... tudent-faq


I've heard that that staying on-campus is being made optional.

Also - many international students are holding off coming to Greater Boston for the semester - especially these schools number #1 pool - the PRC.
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 3:36 pm

Will hotels booking Park & Fly rates (a necessity when our ground public transportation is cancelled) allow a stay after the flight?
 
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 4:30 pm

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Will hotels booking Park & Fly rates (a necessity when our ground public transportation is cancelled) allow a stay after the flight?


I don’t see why not.
 
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Sun Jul 26, 2020 8:29 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

Who is going to campus this fall though? I know Harvard is taking freshman but college campuses are going to be barren until next year.

Lots of people? The 3 largest universities in Boston sure are planning on it:
http://news.northeastern.edu/coronavirus/
https://www.bu.edu/back2bu/
https://www.bc.edu/content/bc-web/sites ... tudent-faq


I've heard that that staying on-campus is being made optional.

Also - many international students are holding off coming to Greater Boston for the semester - especially these schools number #1 pool - the PRC.


Many students in fact refuse to pay full tuition if classes are predominantly online. As online classes are "inferior" to those taught in-person.

https://iblnews.org/an-increasingly-num ... l-classes/
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:11 am

Can't say I blame them. College is expensive and there's a lot more to it than sitting in front of a laptop watching someone across the planet lecture.

Not too much excitement around BOS when this is our hot topic. There is a tower crane at E now, the dunkin donuts is gone, and the oft-debated new check in counters debuted at the transfer desk.

On a base level, this situation has absolutely decimated ground handlers. Had more than a few situations of GSE blocking a gate and literally no one from the company is on duty to move it. And unfortunately there's no early retirement packages or anything like that available to most of those folks.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 1:47 pm

At the rate DL is cutting BOS, you wonder if they need the A-satellite ever again.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:03 pm

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At the rate DL is cutting BOS, you wonder if they need the A-satellite ever again.


I always thought DL’s buildup in BOS was built on soft sand. I’m sure the folks at AA and UA believed so.
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 2:24 pm

Dieuwer wrote:
At the rate DL is cutting BOS, you wonder if they need the A-satellite ever again.


They might not need them right now but no way they're gonna give them up. Gate space is pretty valuable in BOS and Delta has shown they're not planning on just handing BOS over to AA/B6.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 4:55 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
At the rate DL is cutting BOS, you wonder if they need the A-satellite ever again.


They might not need them right now but no way they're gonna give them up. Gate space is pretty valuable in BOS and Delta has shown they're not planning on just handing BOS over to AA/B6.


I must have missed something this week where DL announced more BOS cuts?? Everything I’ve seen states DL is growing BOS again much faster than they original stated. Initially it was no real growth until next year and now with the AA/B6 partnership all of a sudden DL is interested in growing BOS now.

Were there more BOS cuts announced I missed this week?

**ETA - just came across today’s OAG thread. Forgot that got pushed from Sunday’s to during the week. The cuts DL made aren’t shocking honestly. I’m booked on DL next week and my BOS-ATL morning flight has 1 F seat booked and 1 Comfort + seat booked. For a week out and during the summer that’s unheard of on that route.

Is this Massachusetts’ new quarantine restrictions starting 8/1 that’s driving this?
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:19 pm

The cuts are not a shock at all. I am sure come this time next year we'll see a large chunk of them back.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 6:23 pm

ChrisNH38 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
At the rate DL is cutting BOS, you wonder if they need the A-satellite ever again.


I always thought DL’s buildup in BOS was built on soft sand. I’m sure the folks at AA and UA believed so.


I don't think it was built on soft sand. It was a reliever to JFK which was at capacity, much like AA has JFK/PHL and UA has EWR/IAD. In a pre-pandemic context it made sense and it may continue to make sense going forward. Only time will tell.
 
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Tue Jul 28, 2020 8:47 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
aaflyer777 wrote:
Dieuwer wrote:
At the rate DL is cutting BOS, you wonder if they need the A-satellite ever again.


They might not need them right now but no way they're gonna give them up. Gate space is pretty valuable in BOS and Delta has shown they're not planning on just handing BOS over to AA/B6.


I must have missed something this week where DL announced more BOS cuts?? Everything I’ve seen states DL is growing BOS again much faster than they original stated. Initially it was no real growth until next year and now with the AA/B6 partnership all of a sudden DL is interested in growing BOS now.

Were there more BOS cuts announced I missed this week?

**ETA - just came across today’s OAG thread. Forgot that got pushed from Sunday’s to during the week. The cuts DL made aren’t shocking honestly. I’m booked on DL next week and my BOS-ATL morning flight has 1 F seat booked and 1 Comfort + seat booked. For a week out and during the summer that’s unheard of on that route.

Is this Massachusetts’ new quarantine restrictions starting 8/1 that’s driving this?


Satellite has re-opened, actually needed with the 333 returning to operate AMS next month.

Original plan for September was 65 (after AA/B6 announcement), now ~40. The activity in Florida and elsewhere certainly started that change but I bet the new restrictions in MA are contributing to it.
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:27 pm

Was there an AA 767 in BOS today?

Just about an hour ago, I saw something that looked like an AA 763 overfly in Billerica. It was flying unusually low and it looked like it was climbing and made a light turn to the south.

I've never seen a commercial aircraft that low over this area. And I haven't found anything related on FR24. At first, when I saw the long winglets, I though it was a 737, but when I got a closer look, it seemed to look more like a 767.

I
 
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 5:52 pm

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Was there an AA 767 in BOS today?

Just about an hour ago, I saw something that looked like an AA 763 overfly in Billerica. It was flying unusually low and it looked like it was climbing and made a light turn to the south.

I've never seen a commercial aircraft that low over this area. And I haven't found anything related on FR24. At first, when I saw the long winglets, I though it was a 737, but when I got a closer look, it seemed to look more like a 767.

I


No 767 from AA that I can see, but there was a UPS 767 around the same time, flying close to Bellerica

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UPS ... /KBOS/KSDF
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Thu Aug 06, 2020 6:22 pm

acavpics wrote:
Was there an AA 767 in BOS today?

Just about an hour ago, I saw something that looked like an AA 763 overfly in Billerica. It was flying unusually low and it looked like it was climbing and made a light turn to the south.

I've never seen a commercial aircraft that low over this area. And I haven't found anything related on FR24. At first, when I saw the long winglets, I though it was a 737, but when I got a closer look, it seemed to look more like a 767.

I


Per Wikipedia, AA has retired all of their 767s.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 9:43 pm

Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:12 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html

They say “peak days” so I wonder how much of these will be sat only or sat/sun only funded by otherwise ORD DEN SFO LAX etc.

I expect a full on bloodbath to Florida this winter as airlines desperately look for places to generate cash during the slowest time of the year.
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Wed Aug 12, 2020 11:52 pm

adamh8297 wrote:
Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


Makes sense to use the planes here, if anyone is gonna be flying in the near future they're probably going on vacation to Florida. What I find interesting is that they're running most of these routes 2x daily, pretty aggressive entry into the market.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 13, 2020 2:29 pm

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Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


I read an article just yesterday about UA introducing more p-2-p route during the Pandemic to bypass hubs because passengers are uncomfortable being inside airports. My guess is that they are just reacting to their customers' requests rather than actually introducing competition. Besides, these days I think we should view any route announcements as an attempt to generate any revenue rather than a long term strategic move.
And I don't blame UA at all for doing this. Last month when I went to Montana on vacation with my family I used B6's non-stop flight to BZN and paid upwards of $100pp plus bag fees to fly non-stop vs. any of the cheaper 1-stop options including UA, of which I'm a FF member and get free checked bags, seat assignment, and priority boarding.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 22, 2020 9:29 pm

Some of this was already known, but DL released their updated international schedule for this winter and next summer. Some interesting takeaways in regards to Boston.

1. BOS-LHR back in September
2. BOS-CDG back in November.
3. Delta expects to maintain their schedule across the Atlantic following the fall resumptions for all of Winter 2021
4. BOS-DUB is returning Summer 2021

With all the talk on A.net about DL's new hub in Boston being on life support it was encouraging for them to mention BOS as a "key hub" in the same sentence as ATL and JFK in their press release. It does look like they are going to be routing most secondary non hub Europe routes thru JFK next summer. Which honestly makes sense to me. Until demand starts to recover we aren't going to see the possibility of additional Europe destinations on DL in BOS other than maybe EDI.

The one thing that does scare me about these resumption of Europe hub routes is that they won't have many of the domestic flights that were partially feeding them. Not to mention the quite obvious added difficulty of a total loss of demand and different travel bans.

https://news.delta.com/delta-brings-bac ... ummer-2021

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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:20 pm

I'm booked on the (as-yet un-launched) AA flights to/from LHR this December.

Airline just told me that if the flights get canceled, I'll get a full refund, but if I cancel them myself, I only get a travel voucher.

Given the current state of affairs I imagine those flights are not launching anytime soon - but what's the general consensus?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 3:25 pm

seat24charlie wrote:
I'm booked on the (as-yet un-launched) AA flights to/from LHR this December.

Airline just told me that if the flights get canceled, I'll get a full refund, but if I cancel them myself, I only get a travel voucher.

Given the current state of affairs I imagine those flights are not launching anytime soon - but what's the general consensus?


This week AA should finalize its October schedule which will confirm if BOS-LHR gets pushed back or not from its current October 24 launch.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:23 pm

I don't see it operating. There's just no demand for it right now and I don't think the winter season is going to do much to change that. I can however see them launching it next spring, a year late.

Same with that Delta schedule. The long term 2021 plans I'd say are highly likely, the short term...not so much.

Everyone has been changing their schedule on a very regular basis, sometimes right up until the day before scheduled departure.

I do think the DL AMS flight will remain, as I don't believe KL is going to fly here this winter. The CDG flight I think won't be that frequency, and will instead be shifted to a daily AF, possibly with a few DL a week. At this point I haven't heard anything about VS so I can see DL running LHR for the exact reason of keeping someone like AA out a little longer.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Aug 25, 2020 4:58 pm

seat24charlie wrote:
I'm booked on the (as-yet un-launched) AA flights to/from LHR this December.

Airline just told me that if the flights get canceled, I'll get a full refund, but if I cancel them myself, I only get a travel voucher.

Given the current state of affairs I imagine those flights are not launching anytime soon - but what's the general consensus?


Couldn't you just rebook on the BA flight instead? Its pretty wild to me they are flying the A350-1000 to boston right now. That's alot of plane. But I guess the same is true
of DL planning on running their 764s here for CDG and LHR.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 3:12 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
seat24charlie wrote:
I'm booked on the (as-yet un-launched) AA flights to/from LHR this December.

Airline just told me that if the flights get canceled, I'll get a full refund, but if I cancel them myself, I only get a travel voucher.

Given the current state of affairs I imagine those flights are not launching anytime soon - but what's the general consensus?


Couldn't you just rebook on the BA flight instead? Its pretty wild to me they are flying the A350-1000 to boston right now. That's alot of plane. But I guess the same is true
of DL planning on running their 764s here for CDG and LHR.


I wouldn't go if you paid me. We had booked it before everything went to **** and I just cannot see things improving in time for us to feel comfortable with the trip.

Ishrion wrote:
This week AA should finalize its October schedule which will confirm if BOS-LHR gets pushed back or not from its current October 24 launch.


This is good info, thanks very much. Guess we'll play chicken a little longer with it.

I'd take the travel voucher if they agreed to cover the fare difference, but they're refusing, even while cutting jobs left right and centre.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 26, 2020 4:53 pm

seat24charlie wrote:
I'd take the travel voucher if they agreed to cover the fare difference, but they're refusing, even while cutting jobs left right and centre.


So your logic is that because they appear desperate, that they should do whatever you want even if it harms them further. SOLID negotiation tactic...
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 27, 2020 12:24 am

It appears as though Hainan hasn’t given up on a Boston altogether, according to the OAG thread today.
https://my.flightradar24.com/ChrisNH
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 27, 2020 6:38 pm

There is talk about a possible "air bridge" being created between the UK and NYC where quarantine wouldn't be required. Wonder if this would be extended to include BOS. We do after all have pretty low positive test numbers right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/nyc-to-lo ... uk-report/

*Edit*
Interestingly the article has been updated to include a line saying "German aviation industry group BDL is already planning a joint pilot project with the US to link airports in Newark, Chicago, Boston and Los Angeles with Frankfurt and Munich." A reference to LH service I assume.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 27, 2020 8:14 pm

pitbosflyer wrote:
There is talk about a possible "air bridge" being created between the UK and NYC where quarantine wouldn't be required. Wonder if this would be extended to include BOS. We do after all have pretty low positive test numbers right now.
https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/nyc-to-lo ... uk-report/

*Edit*
Interestingly the article has been updated to include a line saying "German aviation industry group BDL is already planning a joint pilot project with the US to link airports in Newark, Chicago, Boston and Los Angeles with Frankfurt and Munich." A reference to LH service I assume.


My opinion is that these air bridges have a very heavy dose of political motivation. We saw evidence of that in Europe.
My prediction is that a lot will change depending on the outcome of the election in November.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Aug 27, 2020 9:21 pm

So it appears G4 wants to start SRQ-BOS on 11/19... assuming it does start of course (which is still a big if), with all the reductions by the other airlines, would this mean they still use E as originally planned or now could they be sent to B, which is the more "generic" terminal that's out there. Massport doesn't have them listed as an airline at all yet. F9 is still showing as E, but the issue as we know was a) space and b) utilization of E, off peak, now that a has gone away, which is more important do we think, consolidating back into A,B and C for domestic operations or use of E for a handful of flights, at least in the relative short term
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:01 am

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So it appears G4 wants to start SRQ-BOS on 11/19... assuming it does start of course (which is still a big if), with all the reductions by the other airlines, would this mean they still use E as originally planned or now could they be sent to B, which is the more "generic" terminal that's out there. Massport doesn't have them listed as an airline at all yet. F9 is still showing as E, but the issue as we know was a) space and b) utilization of E, off peak, now that a has gone away, which is more important do we think, consolidating back into A,B and C for domestic operations or use of E for a handful of flights, at least in the relative short term


My guess is they'll stay in E, I don't see AA/DL/UA giving up a gate to G4 unless Massport makes them. WN might be willing to give up some of their gates in the future, they have no need for 5 gates given the schedule they run. Side note, F9 seems to be taking advantage of the lack of traffic in E as they now have flights departing all day (pre COVID they had no departures past 1:00).
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:21 am

E is going to be a bit tricky going forward. It’s not technically "busy" but it's still going to be more tied up than one might expect. Among other reasons, pretty much no one is running true minimum turns anymore so sitting at the gate all afternoon isn't as much of a big deal. I've also heard that more than a few carriers are aiming to operate this winter but with overnight stays. If the airlines are looking to get the same deals they had this spring, they'll all be looking for gate spots all night

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