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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:45 am

Of course we will believe it when we see it these days but DL adds BOS-MEM with a Republic E175 Daily

DL5601 BOS1830 – 2105MEM E75 D
DL5594 MEM0700 – 1100BOS E75 D

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... uary-2021/
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Aug 28, 2020 1:19 pm

BOS July-2020 numbers are out. This is the highest total pax recorded since Apr-2020.

Jul-20 Jul-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 55 614 -91.04%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 29,373 229,977 -87.23%
Domestic Jet Passenger 632,212 2,939,949 -78.50%
Total Domestic Passengers 661,640 3,170,540 -79.13%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 47,708 113,288 -57.89%
Canada 2,646 102,348 -97.41%
Central America 365 25,720 -98.58%
Europe 19,373 502,765 -96.15%
Middle East 2,259 73,091 -96.91%
South America 0 7,919 -100.00%
Trans-Pacific 0 60,752 -100.00%
North Africa 0 5,759 -100.00%
Total International passengers 72,351 891,642 -91.89%

General Aviation 4,144 9,900 -58.14%
Total Airport pax 738,135 4,072,082 -81.87%

Summary stats since Jan-2017

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020 738,135 72,351
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 8,940,680 1,444,655
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:00 am

New route: AA has added BOS-JAC on an A319 for the winter.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:17 am

DLASFlyer wrote:
New route: AA has added BOS-JAC on an A319 for the winter.


Yea, loaded a few months ago. Post #734: viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437899&start=700
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 30, 2020 5:39 am

seat24charlie wrote:

This is good info, thanks very much. Guess we'll play chicken a little longer with it.

I'd take the travel voucher if they agreed to cover the fare difference, but they're refusing, even while cutting jobs left right and centre.


Last week AA said “The full, updated October schedule will be released Aug. 29”

BOS-LHR’s still available, along with CLT/PHL to Europe, PHX-LHR, RDU-LHR. Not sure how they’re going to do CLT/PHL/PHX/RDU since they aren’t approved gateways, but I guess the October schedule is now “finalized”, subject to some more changes.

It’s possible they’ve changed their mind on updating the Oct schedule yesterday, but they updated their schedule to reflect the 12 suspended markets.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 31, 2020 1:14 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
seat24charlie wrote:
I'd take the travel voucher if they agreed to cover the fare difference, but they're refusing, even while cutting jobs left right and centre.


So your logic is that because they appear desperate, that they should do whatever you want even if it harms them further. SOLID negotiation tactic...


It's not a negotiation tactic. It's a frustrated consumer trying to ensure that belts can stay tight and not lose money due to unforeseen circumstances. Travel vouchers are, and always have been, anti-consumer in the airline industry without a fare difference protection. There is zero guarantee that my voucher will give me the ability to buy the same fare in a year's time, yet my money is locked to one airline in a market where three others are competing.

My logic is that I am curious as to where the money is going. They are putting thousands on the street with the left hand and screwing the consumer with the right. Cui bono? Because it sounds to me like they're holding money back from the consumer AND from the worker, while still taking government bailouts.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:23 am

Folks - hope everyone is well. I wanted to check with this group how UA BOS/EWR flights are operating? My in-laws need to travel back to BOM and are Indian citizens. UA currently still flies the EWR/BOM route but the flight does not depart until 8:30 pm. Their intended plan to fly is to return back October end. I was checking the current schedule and mostly UA flies the first am and the last PM flight. UA still shows there are afternoon and noon flights to EWR from BOS but I do not know in the current circumstances they still fly. I do not want to make them sit at the airport in EWR for over 15+ hours or alternatively will just drive them from Watertown to EWR and then drive back home.

Considering their age and COVID restrictions, they want the port of entry in the destination to be BOM so that leaves UA as the best option.

If anyone is close to the UA schedules from Logan would appreciate any feedback so that I can then make the bookings for the return.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:44 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Folks - hope everyone is well. I wanted to check with this group how UA BOS/EWR flights are operating? My in-laws need to travel back to BOM and are Indian citizens. UA currently still flies the EWR/BOM route but the flight does not depart until 8:30 pm. Their intended plan to fly is to return back October end. I was checking the current schedule and mostly UA flies the first am and the last PM flight. UA still shows there are afternoon and noon flights to EWR from BOS but I do not know in the current circumstances they still fly. I do not want to make them sit at the airport in EWR for over 15+ hours or alternatively will just drive them from Watertown to EWR and then drive back home.

Considering their age and COVID restrictions, they want the port of entry in the destination to be BOM so that leaves UA as the best option.

If anyone is close to the UA schedules from Logan would appreciate any feedback so that I can then make the bookings for the return.


Not sure what day you tried to book flights for but there is a 3pm -ish flight that is bookable everyday from now until late October. It has also been operating the last few days.

Are they already booked from EWR-BOM? If not might just be easier to book a flight from Logan to BOM
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:16 pm

iyerhari wrote:
Folks - hope everyone is well. I wanted to check with this group how UA BOS/EWR flights are operating? My in-laws need to travel back to BOM and are Indian citizens. UA currently still flies the EWR/BOM route but the flight does not depart until 8:30 pm. Their intended plan to fly is to return back October end. I was checking the current schedule and mostly UA flies the first am and the last PM flight. UA still shows there are afternoon and noon flights to EWR from BOS but I do not know in the current circumstances they still fly. I do not want to make them sit at the airport in EWR for over 15+ hours or alternatively will just drive them from Watertown to EWR and then drive back home.

Considering their age and COVID restrictions, they want the port of entry in the destination to be BOM so that leaves UA as the best option.

If anyone is close to the UA schedules from Logan would appreciate any feedback so that I can then make the bookings for the return.


In early July I flew UA on a 175 from EWR to BOS on maybe a 5 or 6 pm flight and it was on time and painless. Plane was mostly empty, everyone had an empty seat next to them, maybe a whole row for some. Can't comment on your specific situation though.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:17 pm

kq747 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:
Folks - hope everyone is well. I wanted to check with this group how UA BOS/EWR flights are operating? My in-laws need to travel back to BOM and are Indian citizens. UA currently still flies the EWR/BOM route but the flight does not depart until 8:30 pm. Their intended plan to fly is to return back October end. I was checking the current schedule and mostly UA flies the first am and the last PM flight. UA still shows there are afternoon and noon flights to EWR from BOS but I do not know in the current circumstances they still fly. I do not want to make them sit at the airport in EWR for over 15+ hours or alternatively will just drive them from Watertown to EWR and then drive back home.

Considering their age and COVID restrictions, they want the port of entry in the destination to be BOM so that leaves UA as the best option.

If anyone is close to the UA schedules from Logan would appreciate any feedback so that I can then make the bookings for the return.


Not sure what day you tried to book flights for but there is a 3pm -ish flight that is bookable everyday from now until late October. It has also been operating the last few days.

Are they already booked from EWR-BOM? If not might just be easier to book a flight from Logan to BOM

Thank you. They are planning to leave Oct-29. There is almost no fare change in the month of Oct and pretty much the same. I was planning to book them on Premium Eco. as FIL is tall. The far difference between BOS-EWR-BOM and EWR-BOM is almost negligible - the question is flights are leaving BOS to EWR or not.

Thank you. I will go-ahead and book them on BOS-EWR-BOM. If there are flight cancels, we will see.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:07 pm

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Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


What's so bizarre about it? NE-FL demand has always been a cash cow.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:56 pm

machbullet wrote:
adamh8297 wrote:
Bizarre - UA decides to enter BOS-FLL/MCO/TPA/RSW

https://hub.united.com/2020-07-31-unite ... 51493.html


What's so bizarre about it? NE-FL demand has always been a cash cow.


This is indeed Bizarre. UA does not fly P2P routes at all typically. Obviously, these are not normal times. NE-FL constantly lets me down honestly. NYC/PHL-FL is way bigger.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 13, 2020 6:16 am

iyerhari wrote:
kq747 wrote:
iyerhari wrote:

Not sure what day you tried to book flights for but there is a 3pm -ish flight that is bookable everyday from now until late October. It has also been operating the last few days.

Are they already booked from EWR-BOM? If not might just be easier to book a flight from Logan to BOM

Thank you. They are planning to leave Oct-29. There is almost no fare change in the month of Oct and pretty much the same. I was planning to book them on Premium Eco. as FIL is tall. The far difference between BOS-EWR-BOM and EWR-BOM is almost negligible - the question is flights are leaving BOS to EWR or not.

Thank you. I will go-ahead and book them on BOS-EWR-BOM. If there are flight cancels, we will see.


A brief warning...pretty much every airline switches to the winter schedule in late October, usually between 25th-30th, give or take. That doesn't usually impact domestic, so BOS-EWR shouldn't be an issue. But it can change internationals a bit. I've seen things from simple type changes, all the way up to changes in departure time and even days of operation. Sometimes the first few days or weeks of a new season will be different from the rest for some reason. And that was under normal circumstances so these days, who knows.

Not to deter you or anything, just simply something to be aware of.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:29 pm

machbullet wrote:
What's so bizarre about it? NE-FL demand has always been a cash cow.


Well, it's a cash cow from the standpoint of demand, but not necessarily profitability. It's also incredibly seasonal -- there are a couple of extremely low periods between New Year's and Presidents' Day, as well as in the late summer/early fall.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
NE-FL constantly lets me down honestly. NYC/PHL-FL is way bigger.


Philly-Florida isn't a larger market than Boston-Florida. It has more flights, but that's because PHL is a network carrier hub and AA is connecting passengers from all over the Northeast and Europe to Florida. To PBI and RSW, it isn't even close -- BOS normally has over twice as many O&D passengers to each compared to PHL.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 13, 2020 4:31 pm

ScottB wrote:
machbullet wrote:
What's so bizarre about it? NE-FL demand has always been a cash cow.


Well, it's a cash cow from the standpoint of demand, but not necessarily profitability. It's also incredibly seasonal -- there are a couple of extremely low periods between New Year's and Presidents' Day, as well as in the late summer/early fall.

Nicknuzzii wrote:
NE-FL constantly lets me down honestly. NYC/PHL-FL is way bigger.


Philly-Florida isn't a larger market than Boston-Florida. It has more flights, but that's because PHL is a network carrier hub and AA is connecting passengers from all over the Northeast and Europe to Florida. To PBI and RSW, it isn't even close -- BOS normally has over twice as many O&D passengers to each compared to PHL.


Bizarre since it deviates strongly from UA spoke and hub model. They had the fewest spoke-spoke routes.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:56 am

The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:38 pm

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The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.

:checkmark:
Like I said before, IMO none of these routes are long term strategic additions. Airlines are scrambling to cut their deep losses and they will deploy their planes wherever and whenever they think they can make a few bucks. This is all temporary, I think and UA will likely be back to their hub-and-spoke routes when this crisis is over.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 14, 2020 4:57 pm

Massport is projecting it will take at least 2 years before passenger numbers recover to 2019 levels. The earliest we'll start to see 2019 levels will be summer 2022.

*This was as of the June 18 board meeting. So things may have shifted. Summer 2022 seems like a pretty good projection.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 18, 2020 11:49 am

Latest from airlineroute.net is that both KLM and Alitalia are not coming for the Winter. Currently AZ isn’t planning on returning until March.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:28 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.


Will people from Massachusetts even be able to go to Florida without a negative test/quarantine by the winter? Massachusetts has the most strict requirements and if any state is slow to roll anything back its this one.

If it's problematic for one in Boston to visit half of the states in New England, Florida might be a mirage.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 18, 2020 12:49 pm

B0pp0 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.


Will people from Massachusetts even be able to go to Florida without a negative test/quarantine by the winter? Massachusetts has the most strict requirements and if any state is slow to roll anything back its this one.

If it's problematic for one in Boston to visit half of the states in New England, Florida might be a mirage.


The other week I flew from Miami to PVD, went to a meeting on the cape, then to Block Island, then to Boston for a few days then back to Rhode Island then flew back to Miami... Not once did anyone ask where I was coming from or if I had been tested with 72 hours (which I was). New York is the only state that had be fill out a form and complete it prior to landing with DOH people checking/collecting when deplaning. MA might have that too but I did not fly into BOS.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 18, 2020 5:32 pm

RL757PVD wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.


Will people from Massachusetts even be able to go to Florida without a negative test/quarantine by the winter? Massachusetts has the most strict requirements and if any state is slow to roll anything back its this one.

If it's problematic for one in Boston to visit half of the states in New England, Florida might be a mirage.


The other week I flew from Miami to PVD, went to a meeting on the cape, then to Block Island, then to Boston for a few days then back to Rhode Island then flew back to Miami... Not once did anyone ask where I was coming from or if I had been tested with 72 hours (which I was). New York is the only state that had be fill out a form and complete it prior to landing with DOH people checking/collecting when deplaning. MA might have that too but I did not fly into BOS.


If you get Covid and show up at a hospital and they find out you were in MA, expect to pay $500 for each day that you spent in MA. That's what the rule is there for. It's not to prevent people from coming and going, it's to fine people who aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions.
I intend to travel both at Thanksgiving and Xmas but I will get tests upon arrival just to be safe from getting fined should I happen to catch Covid while traveling. It's a pretty simple process where I live, it's free, and you get the results within 1 hour.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 3:43 pm

B0pp0 wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
The only reason for the Florida flying boost is that the airlines missed out on the entire summer peak season and there is only one place to make any kind of cash in the first quarter and it’s the warm sun markets. This is the same exact reason why Southwest is going into Miami and Palm Springs.


Will people from Massachusetts even be able to go to Florida without a negative test/quarantine by the winter? Massachusetts has the most strict requirements and if any state is slow to roll anything back its this one.

If it's problematic for one in Boston to visit half of the states in New England, Florida might be a mirage.


As someone that has traveled a bit in the last few weeks to "unsafe states." Even following the rules its really not that hard. I was able to schedule drive thru test at my local CVS on their website with only 24 hours notice. Got tested on the day I returned to MA heard I was negative 6 hours later and then all set in the eyes of the state rules and my employer.

But all that being said, there isn't any kind of actual enforcement at the airport. All you have to tell you about the travel order is a few 8.5x11in posters in baggage claim and a recorded message playing on the loudspeakers in the airport. Calling it a travel ban seems pretty inaccurate.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 4:51 pm

Heads up that Hawaiian will be back to BOS (temporarily) for a Raider's football charter this weekend. Will arrive Friday evening from LAS, and depart Sunday after the game with the Pats (HA708/709)
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 7:36 pm

airbazar wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:
B0pp0 wrote:

Will people from Massachusetts even be able to go to Florida without a negative test/quarantine by the winter? Massachusetts has the most strict requirements and if any state is slow to roll anything back its this one.

If it's problematic for one in Boston to visit half of the states in New England, Florida might be a mirage.


The other week I flew from Miami to PVD, went to a meeting on the cape, then to Block Island, then to Boston for a few days then back to Rhode Island then flew back to Miami... Not once did anyone ask where I was coming from or if I had been tested with 72 hours (which I was). New York is the only state that had be fill out a form and complete it prior to landing with DOH people checking/collecting when deplaning. MA might have that too but I did not fly into BOS.


If you get Covid and show up at a hospital and they find out you were in MA, expect to pay $500 for each day that you spent in MA. That's what the rule is there for. It's not to prevent people from coming and going, it's to fine people who aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions.
I intend to travel both at Thanksgiving and Xmas but I will get tests upon arrival just to be safe from getting fined should I happen to catch Covid while traveling. It's a pretty simple process where I live, it's free, and you get the results within 1 hour.


Can't fine people for travelling within the States. Those fines are not enforced.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 22, 2020 11:41 pm

airportugal310 wrote:
Heads up that Hawaiian will be back to BOS (temporarily) for a Raider's football charter this weekend. Will arrive Friday evening from LAS, and depart Sunday after the game with the Pats (HA708/709)


What's going on with PVD? When the Dolphins flew up for week 1, they flew into BED. Now the Raiders are coming right into Logan.

Patriots are using DL for this season as they flew a 764 BOS-SEA-BOS this past weekend. Evidently they're existing operator contract expired, wonder if they'll get a new one in place for next season?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:46 am

The Omni hotel they usually stay at hasn’t reopened yet, so likely a function of the hotels.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:01 pm

Why aren’t the Patriots using one of their own 763’s?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 1:35 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:
RL757PVD wrote:

The other week I flew from Miami to PVD, went to a meeting on the cape, then to Block Island, then to Boston for a few days then back to Rhode Island then flew back to Miami... Not once did anyone ask where I was coming from or if I had been tested with 72 hours (which I was). New York is the only state that had be fill out a form and complete it prior to landing with DOH people checking/collecting when deplaning. MA might have that too but I did not fly into BOS.


If you get Covid and show up at a hospital and they find out you were in MA, expect to pay $500 for each day that you spent in MA. That's what the rule is there for. It's not to prevent people from coming and going, it's to fine people who aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions.
I intend to travel both at Thanksgiving and Xmas but I will get tests upon arrival just to be safe from getting fined should I happen to catch Covid while traveling. It's a pretty simple process where I live, it's free, and you get the results within 1 hour.


Can't fine people for travelling within the States. Those fines are not enforced.


Tell that to these people:
https://ctmirror.org/2020/08/10/connect ... -advisory/
https://ctmirror.org/2020/08/12/lamont- ... vel-rules/
The fines are not for traveling between the states. There is no travel ban.
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:31 pm

Using BOS could also be a matter of staffing for their usual ground handlers. They can't keep a full staff on in anticipation of handling a few NFL flights.

Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but apparently Swiss is flying in 77w with all cargo configuration. Not sure of the schedule but it's a few times a week.

KL looks to be taking the winter off. I've also heard Korean will be pulling out for a few months, and everyone else currently operating will be on a much more limited schedule. 3-5x a week at best, Except probably BA. The pax counts just aren't there. Heard from a mechanic that JAL has operated more than a few flights with less than 15 pax.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 3:59 pm

airbazar wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
airbazar wrote:

If you get Covid and show up at a hospital and they find out you were in MA, expect to pay $500 for each day that you spent in MA. That's what the rule is there for. It's not to prevent people from coming and going, it's to fine people who aren't willing to take responsibility for their actions.
I intend to travel both at Thanksgiving and Xmas but I will get tests upon arrival just to be safe from getting fined should I happen to catch Covid while traveling. It's a pretty simple process where I live, it's free, and you get the results within 1 hour.


Can't fine people for travelling within the States. Those fines are not enforced.


Tell that to these people:
https://ctmirror.org/2020/08/10/connect ... -advisory/
https://ctmirror.org/2020/08/12/lamont- ... vel-rules/
The fines are not for traveling between the states. There is no travel ban.
You can travel all you want, providing you follow the local state rules.


They can contest the fines. And win. Unenforceable.
a.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 23, 2020 4:07 pm

B752OS wrote:
airportugal310 wrote:
Heads up that Hawaiian will be back to BOS (temporarily) for a Raider's football charter this weekend. Will arrive Friday evening from LAS, and depart Sunday after the game with the Pats (HA708/709)


What's going on with PVD? When the Dolphins flew up for week 1, they flew into BED. Now the Raiders are coming right into Logan.

Patriots are using DL for this season as they flew a 764 BOS-SEA-BOS this past weekend. Evidently they're existing operator contract expired, wonder if they'll get a new one in place for next season?


Couple things regarding Patriots charters:

Pats are temporarily back on DL while their two aircraft are going through indoc with Eastern, their new operator. Team 125 is out. 36NE is tentatively scheduled to be in service around the end of October. It will resume carrying the team at that point.

Teams are having issues using PVD for a couple of reasons. First, DL has yet to resume service at PVD, meaning no available ground crew, forcing the Pat's DL charters to BOS. Second, PVD's current airfield configuration is less than optimal for any aircraft larger than design group IV due to closures associated with runway reconstruction. The taxi route that NFL charters typically take to their parking/loading location is not available due to these closures. Design group V aircraft would require a ground crew tow in order to reach that location. Third, teams not flying AA/DL/UA have an option of two ground crews at PVD. Those ground crews either aren't equipped to make that tow or just aren't as equipped as the ground crews at other airports, such as in the case of Miami (on Atlas) going to BED and the Raiders (on Hawaiian) going to BOS.

Hope that makes sense. Some things should return to normal once 36NE returns to service and teams flying AA/DL/UA come to Foxboro to play the Pats. The hotel issue brought up by RL757PVD is something I hadn't thought of, however. I'm interested to see if that plays into teams' future travel plans.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 11:26 am

A friend of mine flew to Europe for vacation last night, on LH to FRA. She said there were maybe 20 people on the A333. Crazy.
I guess if you can travel this is the time to do it.

MAH4546 wrote:
They can contest the fines. And win. Unenforceable.

You can go first :)
The reality is that this is such a rare disease that the likelihood someone will have it and have to be hospitalized is really low, and that's really the only way they would catch you. To me personally it's not that big a deal to get tested for the 1, 2, or 3 trips I take per year. If nothing else it gives me peace of mind.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 2:17 pm

airbazar wrote:
A friend of mine flew to Europe for vacation last night, on LH to FRA. She said there were maybe 20 people on the A333. Crazy.
I guess if you can travel this is the time to do it.



I was on a conference call with one of our vendors (based out of Miami) who is currently over in Europe touring a factory. When making some small talk, he mentioned on his LH MIA-FRA flight, there was a whopping 10 people onboard. Imagine flying a 343 with only 10 people onboard?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 4:06 pm

B752OS wrote:
I was on a conference call with one of our vendors (based out of Miami) who is currently over in Europe touring a factory. When making some small talk, he mentioned on his LH MIA-FRA flight, there was a whopping 10 people onboard. Imagine flying a 343 with only 10 people onboard?


And to think...with 10ppl onboard, the A340's climb rate was likely only marginally superior!!
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Sep 25, 2020 10:06 pm

FGITD wrote:
Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but apparently Swiss is flying in 77w with all cargo configuration. Not sure of the schedule but it's a few times a week.


Swiss flew the 777 to BOS 4 times. (once weekly) 9/3, 9/10, 9/17, 9/24

Swiss will restart passenger service on October 1st using the A340-300
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 26, 2020 11:09 am

BOS Aug-2020 numbers are out. Nothing great to callout specifically - except getting better than April-2020 or directionally ok.

Aug-20 Aug-19 Difference
Domestic Charter Passenger 562 402 39.80%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 28,837 255,074 -88.69%
Domestic Jet Passenger 593,491 2,956,456 -79.93%
Total Domestic Passengers 622,890 3,211,932 -80.61%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 33,416 112,645 -70.34%
Canada 3,294 107,786 -96.94%
Central America 0 22,197 -100.00%
Europe 27,127 507,882 -94.66%
Middle East 8,172 71,983 -88.65%
South America 0 8,753 -100.00%
Trans-Pacific 828 61,733 -98.66%
North Africa 0 5,780 -100.00%
Total International passengers 72,837 898,759 -91.90%

General Aviation 5,038 10,246 -50.83%
Total Airport pax 700,765 4,120,937 -83.00%

BOS monthly total and international stats from 2017:

Month Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax Year Total Pax International pax
Jan 2017 2,603,998 494,741 2018 2,576,261 468,439 2019 2,710,036 521,356 2020 2,940,985 579,541
Feb 2017 2,369,960 411,816 2018 2,605,207 422,707 2019 2,716,724 460,049 2020 2,890,513 487,442
Mar 2017 3,076,023 540,036 2018 3,197,326 578,154 2019 3,457,362 631,858 2020 1,634,101 274,615
Apr 2017 3,271,833 620,923 2018 3,508,607 613,000 2019 3,647,276 707,159 2020 95,352 5,843
May 2017 3,466,805 659,326 2018 3,705,129 672,304 2019 3,879,343 775,024 2020 203,328 6,216
Jun 2017 3,552,952 710,313 2018 3,843,131 742,437 2019 3,946,406 847,877 2020 438,266 18,647
Jul 2017 3,683,573 764,325 2018 3,999,933 798,900 2019 4,072,082 891,642 2020 738,135 72,351
Aug 2017 3,757,903 772,812 2018 4,044,126 821,417 2019 4,120,937 898,759 2020 700,765 72,837
Sep 2017 3,178,011 640,539 2018 3,393,644 697,082 2019 3,547,546 724,791 2020
Oct 2017 3,431,263 581,481 2018 3,677,923 651,839 2019 3,771,212 686,063 2020
Nov 2017 3,089,200 483,354 2018 3,296,694 539,610 2019 3,264,105 552,066 2020
Dec 2017 2,930,898 483,354 2018 3,093,944 577,998 2019 3,389,382 621,349 2020
38,412,419 7,163,020 40,941,925 7,583,887 42,522,411 8,317,993 9,641,445 1,517,492
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 8:05 am

Looking at the Delta booking engine it looks like BOS-EDI will return for S21 from the 27th of May. Flights will be 4x weekly B767-300ER.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 9:15 pm

seat24charlie wrote:
I'm booked on the (as-yet un-launched) AA flights to/from LHR this December.

Airline just told me that if the flights get canceled, I'll get a full refund, but if I cancel them myself, I only get a travel voucher.

Given the current state of affairs I imagine those flights are not launching anytime soon - but what's the general consensus?


And there it goes.

AA’s BOS-LHR has been pushed to March 27, 2021. One year after the resumption was supposed to inaugurate.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 10:22 pm

jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but apparently Swiss is flying in 77w with all cargo configuration. Not sure of the schedule but it's a few times a week.


Swiss flew the 777 to BOS 4 times. (once weekly) 9/3, 9/10, 9/17, 9/24

Swiss will restart passenger service on October 1st using the A340-300


So A343 will join the route starting this week. So sad I don`t even have a chance to spot LX B77Ws yet A343 might be even more precious...Is the flight still scheduled to arrive late at night? If so that will be another mission impossible for me
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:22 am

OMGcat wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Didn't see it posted elsewhere, but apparently Swiss is flying in 77w with all cargo configuration. Not sure of the schedule but it's a few times a week.


Swiss flew the 777 to BOS 4 times. (once weekly) 9/3, 9/10, 9/17, 9/24

Swiss will restart passenger service on October 1st using the A340-300


So A343 will join the route starting this week. So sad I don`t even have a chance to spot LX B77Ws yet A343 might be even more precious...Is the flight still scheduled to arrive late at night? If so that will be another mission impossible for me


Nice to talk to you again after spotting the last A343 together, luckily its scheduled to arrive at 15:55!
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 2:56 am

jworks158 wrote:
OMGcat wrote:
jworks158 wrote:

Swiss flew the 777 to BOS 4 times. (once weekly) 9/3, 9/10, 9/17, 9/24

Swiss will restart passenger service on October 1st using the A340-300


So A343 will join the route starting this week. So sad I don`t even have a chance to spot LX B77Ws yet A343 might be even more precious...Is the flight still scheduled to arrive late at night? If so that will be another mission impossible for me


Nice to talk to you again after spotting the last A343 together, luckily its scheduled to arrive at 15:55!


Sad days when seeing a 340 is such a noteworthy rarity. Wasn't too far back when in one afternoon you could easily see LH, AF, TK, LX and even that leased HiFly 340 sitting on the line.

I never minded the type. but I know a lot of guys who would do everything in their power to avoid working them, especially the TK 340s.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:18 pm

FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
OMGcat wrote:

So A343 will join the route starting this week. So sad I don`t even have a chance to spot LX B77Ws yet A343 might be even more precious...Is the flight still scheduled to arrive late at night? If so that will be another mission impossible for me


Nice to talk to you again after spotting the last A343 together, luckily its scheduled to arrive at 15:55!


Sad days when seeing a 340 is such a noteworthy rarity. Wasn't too far back when in one afternoon you could easily see LH, AF, TK, LX and even that leased HiFly 340 sitting on the line.

I never minded the type. but I know a lot of guys who would do everything in their power to avoid working them, especially the TK 340s.

Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but why are the A340's so unpopular among handlers?
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 12:04 am

ConnectAir wrote:
FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:

Nice to talk to you again after spotting the last A343 together, luckily its scheduled to arrive at 15:55!


Sad days when seeing a 340 is such a noteworthy rarity. Wasn't too far back when in one afternoon you could easily see LH, AF, TK, LX and even that leased HiFly 340 sitting on the line.

I never minded the type. but I know a lot of guys who would do everything in their power to avoid working them, especially the TK 340s.

Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but why are the A340's so unpopular among handlers?


It's all anecdotal and mostly minor annoyances, to be fair. But most of the 340s handled in Boston were towards the end of their service lives, and so maintenance on things like the holds was starting to slip. Led to a lot of maintenance delays. Some also had unusual restraint configurations that could be a pain to deal with. The outboard engines also posed problems for some fuelers and especially deicing

Again, all petty grievances. But things like doing a 90 minute turn with no electrical power in the holds was just awful. So people tried to avoid them
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 30, 2020 5:38 pm

FGITD wrote:
ConnectAir wrote:
FGITD wrote:

Sad days when seeing a 340 is such a noteworthy rarity. Wasn't too far back when in one afternoon you could easily see LH, AF, TK, LX and even that leased HiFly 340 sitting on the line.

I never minded the type. but I know a lot of guys who would do everything in their power to avoid working them, especially the TK 340s.

Sorry if this is slightly off topic, but why are the A340's so unpopular among handlers?


It's all anecdotal and mostly minor annoyances, to be fair. But most of the 340s handled in Boston were towards the end of their service lives, and so maintenance on things like the holds was starting to slip. Led to a lot of maintenance delays. Some also had unusual restraint configurations that could be a pain to deal with. The outboard engines also posed problems for some fuelers and especially deicing

Again, all petty grievances. But things like doing a 90 minute turn with no electrical power in the holds was just awful. So people tried to avoid them


Very interesting. Thank you for your response!
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 12:56 pm

Ishrion wrote:
seat24charlie wrote:
I'm booked on the (as-yet un-launched) AA flights to/from LHR this December.

Airline just told me that if the flights get canceled, I'll get a full refund, but if I cancel them myself, I only get a travel voucher.

Given the current state of affairs I imagine those flights are not launching anytime soon - but what's the general consensus?


And there it goes.

AA’s BOS-LHR has been pushed to March 27, 2021. One year after the resumption was supposed to inaugurate.


Yep. They canceled the ticket on me and gave a full refund with no questions asked. Felt for a while like we were the ones being held hostage by an airline that knew there was zero chance this flight would operate.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 5:22 pm

For those who haven't been by Logan in awhile and seen it, the New terminal E expansion is well underway. Steel framework is up, and it's really coming together. Really looking forward to the day that it opens, hopefully things will be a bit more normal by then.

Also heard that a few carriers might revert to the cargo only operations this winter. Better than losing all service, but still...it's going to be a very quiet winter I think
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 1:52 am

http://www.massport.com/media/uzlfqbo4/ ... -16-20.pdf

Massport has made their July board meeting visuals available. Lots of information on passenger numbers, projections, etc. Also, an update on the B to C connector with a lot of renders. Work is well underway on this project as well.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 3:09 pm

FGITD wrote:
For those who haven't been by Logan in awhile and seen it, the New terminal E expansion is well underway. Steel framework is up, and it's really coming together. Really looking forward to the day that it opens, hopefully things will be a bit more normal by then.

Also heard that a few carriers might revert to the cargo only operations this winter. Better than losing all service, but still...it's going to be a very quiet winter I think


Just flew in this morning and noticed it. Basic so far, but gives an idea of its footprint
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Sat Oct 10, 2020 1:35 am

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