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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:36 am

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Great footage. Nice find and thanks for posting.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 3:01 am

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That DL L1011 kissing the runway at the end is perfection :cloudnine:
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:35 am

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Along the same lines, there are some great videos on YouTube by justplanes of Logan in the early 90s.

That 1011 was one sweet landing
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 7:39 pm

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rob2507 wrote:


Along the same lines, there are some great videos on YouTube by justplanes of Logan in the early 90s.

That 1011 was one sweet landing


That’s about the least amount of tire smoke I’ve ever seen on a heavy landing. Impressive stuff. What a time warp. 40 years ago and so much has changed. Now I have to go dive into YouTube for some more nostalgia
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:07 am

JL BOS-NRT NOV 1.0>0.6[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.0]

KE BOS-ICN NOV 0>0.4[0]

KL AMS-BOS NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.5] MAR 0.1>0.5[0.4]

Good to see all these carriers sticking around for the winter. I thought I’d read KL was def out, so demand must have been stronger than expected.
 
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Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:20 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
JL BOS-NRT NOV 1.0>0.6[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.0]

KE BOS-ICN NOV 0>0.4[0]

KL AMS-BOS NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.5] MAR 0.1>0.5[0.4]

Good to see all these carriers sticking around for the winter. I thought I’d read KL was def out, so demand must have been stronger than expected.


March will be the key and the start of the Summer 21 season, what we see loaded then will be very telling

But I agree nice to see some of them stick it out despite the travel bans still in place.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 14, 2020 1:49 am

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
JL BOS-NRT NOV 1.0>0.6[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.0]

KE BOS-ICN NOV 0>0.4[0]

KL AMS-BOS NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.5] MAR 0.1>0.5[0.4]

Good to see all these carriers sticking around for the winter. I thought I’d read KL was def out, so demand must have been stronger than expected.


March will be the key and the start of the Summer 21 season, what we see loaded then will be very telling

But I agree nice to see some of them stick it out despite the travel bans still in place.


KL will be cargo only until March. I don't know the ins and outs of their operation but it seems they do solid cargo in and out. LX and to a slightly lesser degree LH are others that always seem to do very well with cargo
 
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Thu Oct 15, 2020 12:03 pm

http://otp.investis.com/clients/us/jetb ... wsid=71065
JetBlue adding BOS-MTJ for saturdays and selected wednesday during winter ski season. Will continue to operated BOS-HDN/BZN 2x weekly in winter season.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:04 am

BA adding a second daily, starting in November. A 787-9 will complement the existing A350-1000. Like all things of this nature, I’ll believe it when I see it. But on the other hand, BA must have some forward-looking metrics prompting them to do this.
 
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Sat Oct 17, 2020 11:53 am

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
JL BOS-NRT NOV 1.0>0.6[1.0] DEC 1.0>0.6[1.0] JAN 1.0>0.5[1.0]

KE BOS-ICN NOV 0>0.4[0]

KL AMS-BOS NOV 0>0.4[0] DEC 0>0.5[0.4] FEB 0>0.4[0.5] MAR 0.1>0.5[0.4]

Good to see all these carriers sticking around for the winter. I thought I’d read KL was def out, so demand must have been stronger than expected.


March will be the key and the start of the Summer 21 season, what we see loaded then will be very telling


IMHO March is too early to be relevant. See first week of May. If the TATL flights aren't in full bloom by then it means another crushed summer season.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:34 pm

FYI:

There is an Antonov AN124 scheduled to BOS this afternoon from Goose Bay
 
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Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:07 pm

jworks158 wrote:
FYI:

There is an Antonov AN124 scheduled to BOS this afternoon from Goose Bay


Any idea what time? Fortunately I'm meant to be rampside most of the afternoon. Seen a few 124s before but I'll never say no to seeing another!
 
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Mon Oct 19, 2020 5:27 pm

FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
FYI:

There is an Antonov AN124 scheduled to BOS this afternoon from Goose Bay


Any idea what time? Fortunately I'm meant to be rampside most of the afternoon. Seen a few 124s before but I'll never say no to seeing another!


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ADB3547/history/20201019/1851Z/CYYR/KBOS
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:34 am

jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
FYI:

There is an Antonov AN124 scheduled to BOS this afternoon from Goose Bay


Any idea what time? Fortunately I'm meant to be rampside most of the afternoon. Seen a few 124s before but I'll never say no to seeing another!


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ADB3547/history/20201019/1851Z/CYYR/KBOS


hope some of you all got to see it! Great view from the E ramp, landed and departed 15R
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:17 am

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-18oct20/

Right now looks like DL is adding back BOS-EDI from Late May, 4 weekly 763ER vs daily 757 last year.
Of course we know right now nothing is set in stone until it happens but it is curious that they have brought this one back or plan to anyway.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:10 pm

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https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/294467/delta-ns21-international-operation-changes-as-of-18oct20/

Right now looks like DL is adding back BOS-EDI from Late May, 4 weekly 763ER vs daily 757 last year.
Of course we know right now nothing is set in stone until it happens but it is curious that they have brought this one back or plan to anyway.


That was added back a few weeks ago. Interesting that it was added after they announced what they’d be flying internationally this winter/next summer, and also that it’s on a 767
 
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Tue Oct 20, 2020 6:50 pm

tjerome wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/294467/delta-ns21-international-operation-changes-as-of-18oct20/

Right now looks like DL is adding back BOS-EDI from Late May, 4 weekly 763ER vs daily 757 last year.
Of course we know right now nothing is set in stone until it happens but it is curious that they have brought this one back or plan to anyway.


That was added back a few weeks ago. Interesting that it was added after they announced what they’d be flying internationally this winter/next summer, and also that it’s on a 767


Likely a W routing paired with JFK. Something like JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to maintain JFK crews since there's no other 757 TATL routes.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 11:21 am

clrd4t8koff wrote:
tjerome wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/294467/delta-ns21-international-operation-changes-as-of-18oct20/

Right now looks like DL is adding back BOS-EDI from Late May, 4 weekly 763ER vs daily 757 last year.
Of course we know right now nothing is set in stone until it happens but it is curious that they have brought this one back or plan to anyway.


That was added back a few weeks ago. Interesting that it was added after they announced what they’d be flying internationally this winter/next summer, and also that it’s on a 767


Likely a W routing paired with JFK. Something like JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to maintain JFK crews since there's no other 757 TATL routes.



Not on a 757 this year, moved up to a 767

Also, looks like they are planning to try FCO again

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2021/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:27 pm

Not sure if already mentioned, VS is coming back with a cargo flight in early Nov. I think the plan is a few weeks of cargo only and then resume pax ops.

I believe RAM is fully pulling out however. Heard from a few people that their supplies, inventory etc are all being sent out of Boston and they gave up their office space back to Massport.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 26, 2020 7:43 pm

FGITD wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, VS is coming back with a cargo flight in early Nov. I think the plan is a few weeks of cargo only and then resume pax ops.

I believe RAM is fully pulling out however. Heard from a few people that their supplies, inventory etc are all being sent out of Boston and they gave up their office space back to Massport.


The latter doesn't surprise me in the slightest, loads weren't exactly stellar before Covid, I mean we were all excited as an African flight, but not sure the market was truly there, no matter what Massport hoped would happen. I actually think ET might have been better because they have a bigger hub base at ADD. Plus if I remember at the time, the timings on the other end were awful for anything but O&D, which this wasn't going to survive on.

Latest rhetoric from VS, is a 3 weekly 789 from 11/21, we shall see, but that timeline does fit with what you have noted above.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-23oct20/

oh and IF DY/DI survive, which we all know isn't really 100% guaranteed, they have just updated the following for the summer season next year.
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-23oct20/

LGW-BOS - 3/28 to 5/21 - 4x weekly , 7x weekly from 5/22, doesn't say 789, but I assume it would be and interesting it said 7 weekly rather than daily, but i know that's often interchangable
CDG-BOS - 5/21 until 9/21 - 3x weekly 789

FI for July and August are planning a daily 767
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-22oct20/

last off Level has currently scheduled BOS to resume 12/19 from BCN

All of these are highly speculative (with the exception of VS because it's so close in at this point) and could disappear at a drop of a hat.

Pretty sure we won't see the likes of IB and AZ until middle of next year at the earliest.

Sad times.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 1:56 pm

VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
tjerome wrote:

That was added back a few weeks ago. Interesting that it was added after they announced what they’d be flying internationally this winter/next summer, and also that it’s on a 767


Likely a W routing paired with JFK. Something like JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to maintain JFK crews since there's no other 757 TATL routes.



Not on a 757 this year, moved up to a 767

Also, looks like they are planning to try FCO again

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2021/


Yes, not on a 757. I think my post was a little confusing. Basically I was saying since there's no 757's operating any TATL for the foreseable future they're using a 767 which will likely do a W routing of JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to be able to rotate the 763.

Great to see DL having confidence in the BOS TATL market and bringing back FCO. I wonder if the reason LIS isn't returning is simply due to the fact they aren't flying any 757's to Europe?

Also, in looking at schedules in May (5/24 specifically) on BOS-CDG it shows currently 3x daily (1x DL 764 & 2x AF A359). In previous years AF didn't ramp up to 2x daily until late June/early July right? I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early.

The other thing that caught my eye is that DL/KL BOS-AMS is only 1x DL 3-days per week and then 1x DL & 1x KL the other 4-days. This is also a change as DL historically was 2x daily BOS-AMS and KL brought in supplemental lift with their 4x weekly. Seems like a change in strategy to focus more on CDG and less on AMS?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:33 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Likely a W routing paired with JFK. Something like JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to maintain JFK crews since there's no other 757 TATL routes.



Not on a 757 this year, moved up to a 767

Also, looks like they are planning to try FCO again

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2021/


Yes, not on a 757. I think my post was a little confusing. Basically I was saying since there's no 757's operating any TATL for the foreseable future they're using a 767 which will likely do a W routing of JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to be able to rotate the 763.

Great to see DL having confidence in the BOS TATL market and bringing back FCO. I wonder if the reason LIS isn't returning is simply due to the fact they aren't flying any 757's to Europe?

Also, in looking at schedules in May (5/24 specifically) on BOS-CDG it shows currently 3x daily (1x DL 764 & 2x AF A359). In previous years AF didn't ramp up to 2x daily until late June/early July right? I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early.

The other thing that caught my eye is that DL/KL BOS-AMS is only 1x DL 3-days per week and then 1x DL & 1x KL the other 4-days. This is also a change as DL historically was 2x daily BOS-AMS and KL brought in supplemental lift with their 4x weekly. Seems like a change in strategy to focus more on CDG and less on AMS?

You are reading way too much into the S21 schedules. These are merely placeholders probably reflecting an ideal scenario and accounting for aircraft availability. Given that most of the routes are running at 3-4x weekly in W20 (for e.g. BOS-LHR is not even being flown), a more realistic scenario for the JV will be something like 1x daily to CDG on AF, 1x daily to AMS on DL and 1x daily to LHR on VS. Routes like DUB and FCO are simply up in the air. With a second wave looming, I don’t see how restrictions will be lifted & traffic will rebound anywhere close to 2019 levels in S21.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 2:43 pm

onwFan wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
VS4ever wrote:


Not on a 757 this year, moved up to a 767

Also, looks like they are planning to try FCO again

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... -may-2021/


Yes, not on a 757. I think my post was a little confusing. Basically I was saying since there's no 757's operating any TATL for the foreseable future they're using a 767 which will likely do a W routing of JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to be able to rotate the 763.

Great to see DL having confidence in the BOS TATL market and bringing back FCO. I wonder if the reason LIS isn't returning is simply due to the fact they aren't flying any 757's to Europe?

Also, in looking at schedules in May (5/24 specifically) on BOS-CDG it shows currently 3x daily (1x DL 764 & 2x AF A359). In previous years AF didn't ramp up to 2x daily until late June/early July right? I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early.

The other thing that caught my eye is that DL/KL BOS-AMS is only 1x DL 3-days per week and then 1x DL & 1x KL the other 4-days. This is also a change as DL historically was 2x daily BOS-AMS and KL brought in supplemental lift with their 4x weekly. Seems like a change in strategy to focus more on CDG and less on AMS?

You are reading way too much into the S21 schedules. These are merely placeholders probably reflecting an ideal scenario and accounting for aircraft availability. Given that most of the routes are running at 3-4x weekly in W20 (for e.g. BOS-LHR is not even being flown), a more realistic scenario for the JV will be something like 1x daily to CDG on AF, 1x daily to AMS on DL and 1x daily to LHR on VS. Routes like DUB and FCO are simply up in the air. With a second wave looming, I don’t see how restrictions will be lifted & traffic will rebound anywhere close to 2019 levels in S21.


DL cancelled BOS-FCO before it ever started. Why would DL go and purposefully update their schedule and re-load BOS-FCO to "merely be a placeholder." Why would AF, who have never flown BOS-CDG 2x daily in May (to my knowledge) go and add the second flight "merely to be a placeholder?" It's not like these are leftover schedules from 2020 that are just popping up not updated. These are conscious updates, though perhaps you missed where I said "I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early."
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:02 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
onwFan wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:

Yes, not on a 757. I think my post was a little confusing. Basically I was saying since there's no 757's operating any TATL for the foreseable future they're using a 767 which will likely do a W routing of JFK-EDI-BOS-EDI-JFK to be able to rotate the 763.

Great to see DL having confidence in the BOS TATL market and bringing back FCO. I wonder if the reason LIS isn't returning is simply due to the fact they aren't flying any 757's to Europe?

Also, in looking at schedules in May (5/24 specifically) on BOS-CDG it shows currently 3x daily (1x DL 764 & 2x AF A359). In previous years AF didn't ramp up to 2x daily until late June/early July right? I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early.

The other thing that caught my eye is that DL/KL BOS-AMS is only 1x DL 3-days per week and then 1x DL & 1x KL the other 4-days. This is also a change as DL historically was 2x daily BOS-AMS and KL brought in supplemental lift with their 4x weekly. Seems like a change in strategy to focus more on CDG and less on AMS?

You are reading way too much into the S21 schedules. These are merely placeholders probably reflecting an ideal scenario and accounting for aircraft availability. Given that most of the routes are running at 3-4x weekly in W20 (for e.g. BOS-LHR is not even being flown), a more realistic scenario for the JV will be something like 1x daily to CDG on AF, 1x daily to AMS on DL and 1x daily to LHR on VS. Routes like DUB and FCO are simply up in the air. With a second wave looming, I don’t see how restrictions will be lifted & traffic will rebound anywhere close to 2019 levels in S21.


DL cancelled BOS-FCO before it ever started. Why would DL go and purposefully update their schedule and re-load BOS-FCO to "merely be a placeholder." Why would AF, who have never flown BOS-CDG 2x daily in May (to my knowledge) go and add the second flight "merely to be a placeholder?" It's not like these are leftover schedules from 2020 that are just popping up not updated. These are conscious updates, though perhaps you missed where I said "I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early."

I did not miss what you said. My comments were merely a reflection of the fact that "I know schedules are very much in flux” and “interesting to see the flights in there already so early." didn’t add up - my point being that it is just too early. That being said, if you think DL/AF/KL/VS really believe they will be flying all these routes that they are loading, it was certainly not my intention to disappoint you.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:17 pm

I saw yesterday’s TAP flight to LIS was utilizing a A320LR. Is this a short term change till things normalize or are they gonna use the narrow body for all their BOS flights? I think the Porto flight was already using the A320 before Covid.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:25 pm

onwFan wrote:
clrd4t8koff wrote:
onwFan wrote:
You are reading way too much into the S21 schedules. These are merely placeholders probably reflecting an ideal scenario and accounting for aircraft availability. Given that most of the routes are running at 3-4x weekly in W20 (for e.g. BOS-LHR is not even being flown), a more realistic scenario for the JV will be something like 1x daily to CDG on AF, 1x daily to AMS on DL and 1x daily to LHR on VS. Routes like DUB and FCO are simply up in the air. With a second wave looming, I don’t see how restrictions will be lifted & traffic will rebound anywhere close to 2019 levels in S21.


DL cancelled BOS-FCO before it ever started. Why would DL go and purposefully update their schedule and re-load BOS-FCO to "merely be a placeholder." Why would AF, who have never flown BOS-CDG 2x daily in May (to my knowledge) go and add the second flight "merely to be a placeholder?" It's not like these are leftover schedules from 2020 that are just popping up not updated. These are conscious updates, though perhaps you missed where I said "I know schedules are very much in flux, just interesting to see the flights in there already so early."

I did not miss what you said. My comments were merely a reflection of the fact that "I know schedules are very much in flux” and “interesting to see the flights in there already so early." didn’t add up - my point being that it is just too early. That being said, if you think DL/AF/KL/VS really believe they will be flying all these routes that they are loading, it was certainly not my intention to disappoint you.


Not disappointing me at all, hence why I used the term 'interesting.' I'm pretty confident DL/AF/KL/VS are not in the business to load flights they have no intention to operate. Things change and they pivot, but I don't believe at all they're loading these flights for the heck of it.

On a side note - you mentioned that BOS-LHR isn't being flown for W20. On DL metal, no. But DL's partner VS is flying it so it's covered by DL.
 
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Tue Oct 27, 2020 3:55 pm

clrd4t8koff wrote:
On a side note - you mentioned that BOS-LHR isn't being flown for W20. On DL metal, no. But DL's partner VS is flying it so it's covered by DL.

Sorry, I meant to say currently not being flown. BOS-LHR is currently scheduled to resume on VS metal on Nov 21 at 3x weekly. But I believe the Dec schedule is not yet updated, which is why it still shows 2x daily.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 4:16 pm

VS does rolling cuts every week or 2 weeks. I wouldn't be making any bookings on VS right now. They are 4 months behind on refund. VS would be lucky to still be around next year at this point.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 6:39 pm

BOS Sep-2020 numbers are out. Nothing great to point out with continued downward trend.

Sep-20 Sep-19
Domestic
Domestic Charter Passenger 884 889 -0.56%
Domestic Commuter Passenger 31,919 208,789 -84.71%
Domestic Jet Passenger 530,013 2,602,047 -79.63%
Total Domestic Passengers 562,816 2,811,725 -79.98%

International
Bermuda/Bahamas/Caribbean 31,871 73,002 -56.34%
Canada 2,634 90,968 -97.10%
Central America - 15,629 -100.00%
Europe 20,776 423,248 -95.09%
Middle East 8,874 60,256 -85.27%
South America - 8,749 -100.00%
Trans-Pacific 1,174 48,957 -97.60%
Australia - -
North Africa - 3,982 -100.00%
Other International - -
Total International passengers 65,329 724,791 -90.99%

General Aviation 4,748 11,030 -56.95%
Total Airport passengers 632,893 3,547,546 -82.16%

YTD Sep-2020 total pax: 10,274,338
YTD Sep-2019 total pax: 32,097,712
AAGR YTD: -68%
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 7:22 pm

DalDC9Bos wrote:
I saw yesterday’s TAP flight to LIS was utilizing a A320LR. Is this a short term change till things normalize or are they gonna use the narrow body for all their BOS flights? I think the Porto flight was already using the A320 before Covid.

It's actually an A321LR and they've been operating that pretty much throughout the Pandemic to BOS, YYZ, YUL, IAD, and even EWR on occasion. MIA is the only destination that has remained consistently an A339 route and my guess is because the A321LR doesn't have the range. My wife flew with them last week, to MUC via LIS and said the plane was about half full which explains why they are flying the A321 instead of the A339.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:34 pm

Has Swiss restarted BOS with the A340?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 8:59 pm

A lot of airlines don't pre-load nonsense flights as spaceholders, but a number of them will upload the most recent planned schedule as a holder. As in, for June of next year they'll just reload June from this year, and adapt over time until the new schedule is officially released.

I can very confidently say that none of the airlines in question know what they are going to be doing come January 2021, let alone June 2021.

Schedules will be uploaded, taken down, changed, cancelled, added, etc etc for months to come.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 27, 2020 9:20 pm

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A lot of airlines don't pre-load nonsense flights as spaceholders, but a number of them will upload the most recent planned schedule as a holder. As in, for June of next year they'll just reload June from this year, and adapt over time until the new schedule is officially released.

I can very confidently say that none of the airlines in question know what they are going to be doing come January 2021, let alone June 2021.

Schedules will be uploaded, taken down, changed, cancelled, added, etc etc for months to come.


Who is using their schedule from this year? As far as I can see it’s all from 2019.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 1:08 pm

When DL initially extended their schedule through next summer FCO was loaded on the A330, it was then removed and has now been reloaded on a 767. I’m assuming the first time was a simple copy and paste but seeing as it was deleted and has since been reloaded into the schedule I would be inclined to believe Delta plans on operating the route (assuming their is demand) and it is not just a place holder.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 6:45 pm

jworks158 wrote:
OMGcat wrote:
jworks158 wrote:

Swiss flew the 777 to BOS 4 times. (once weekly) 9/3, 9/10, 9/17, 9/24

Swiss will restart passenger service on October 1st using the A340-300


So A343 will join the route starting this week. So sad I don`t even have a chance to spot LX B77Ws yet A343 might be even more precious...Is the flight still scheduled to arrive late at night? If so that will be another mission impossible for me


Nice to talk to you again after spotting the last A343 together, luckily its scheduled to arrive at 15:55!


Thanks and sorry for a late reply since I don`t check the forum very often.

And it`s a pity to miss that An-124 :(
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 28, 2020 7:03 pm

aaflyer777 wrote:
When DL initially extended their schedule through next summer FCO was loaded on the A330, it was then removed and has now been reloaded on a 767. I’m assuming the first time was a simple copy and paste but seeing as it was deleted and has since been reloaded into the schedule I would be inclined to believe Delta plans on operating the route (assuming their is demand) and it is not just a place holder.


I also believe that most carriers plan on operating what they have posted. But adaptability is the key word. AF for example might schedule 2x a359 daily, (which is a direct copy from the original summer 2020 schedule) but when early bookings show a daily pax count of 100 bookings, they’ll change it to a single 789.

Point is...take it all with a grain of salt. The schedules being listed now are not necessarily based on the reality of how things might go. So they will update and adapt

(Usually by now my work place would have a pretty comprehensive list of who, what, when, and where next summer's flights are. For comparison, we still haven't totally finalized December/january)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 5:21 pm

FGITD wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, VS is coming back with a cargo flight in early Nov. I think the plan is a few weeks of cargo only and then resume pax ops.


I see the first VS 789 Cargo flight is inbound scheduled for arrival after 3pm

Do you know what days of the week the cargo flight is operating? Trying to plan out photography permits as backups for 33L opps (when I can't get shots from other locations) but you need to request permits 72 hours in advance and these flights aren't pre-filed in FR24
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:31 pm

jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, VS is coming back with a cargo flight in early Nov. I think the plan is a few weeks of cargo only and then resume pax ops.


I see the first VS 789 Cargo flight is inbound scheduled for arrival after 3pm

Do you know what days of the week the cargo flight is operating? Trying to plan out photography permits as backups for 33L opps (when I can't get shots from other locations) but you need to request permits 72 hours in advance and these flights aren't pre-filed in FR24


Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays for the time being.

I’m curious, where do you need a photography permit? Never heard of such a thing for Logan. Of Course I’m also not a photographer, so I'd never looked into it...
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:48 pm

FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
Not sure if already mentioned, VS is coming back with a cargo flight in early Nov. I think the plan is a few weeks of cargo only and then resume pax ops.


I see the first VS 789 Cargo flight is inbound scheduled for arrival after 3pm

Do you know what days of the week the cargo flight is operating? Trying to plan out photography permits as backups for 33L opps (when I can't get shots from other locations) but you need to request permits 72 hours in advance and these flights aren't pre-filed in FR24


Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays for the time being.

I’m curious, where do you need a photography permit? Never heard of such a thing for Logan. Of Course I’m also not a photographer, so I'd never looked into it...


Plane Spotting Permits are required for plane spotting on Central Parking, and Terminal B. Unfortunately the big flaw in the system is it doesn't allow for special circumstances like the AN-124 that came in earlier this month or diversions, because it comes with the 72 hr requirement (even than no guarantee they will get back to you in time)

Previously you had to send an email to one of the state police Sargents to obtain the permit, but this summer they rolled out this website:
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/about-logan/public-safety/plane-spotting-request-form/
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 7:51 pm

jworks158 wrote:
FGITD wrote:
jworks158 wrote:

I see the first VS 789 Cargo flight is inbound scheduled for arrival after 3pm

Do you know what days of the week the cargo flight is operating? Trying to plan out photography permits as backups for 33L opps (when I can't get shots from other locations) but you need to request permits 72 hours in advance and these flights aren't pre-filed in FR24


Mondays, Thursdays, and Saturdays for the time being.

I’m curious, where do you need a photography permit? Never heard of such a thing for Logan. Of Course I’m also not a photographer, so I'd never looked into it...


Plane Spotting Permits are required for plane spotting on Central Parking, and Terminal B. Unfortunately the big flaw in the system is it doesn't allow for special circumstances like the AN-124 that came in earlier this month or diversions, because it comes with the 72 hr requirement (even than no guarantee they will get back to you in time)

Previously you had to send an email to one of the state police Sargents to obtain the permit, but this summer they rolled out this website:
http://www.massport.com/logan-airport/about-logan/public-safety/plane-spotting-request-form/


Very interesting. I had no clue. I've definitely seen photographers up there from the E gates on that end but didn't realize it required a permit.

I'll give y'all a wave next time. I'm the guy in the yellow vest next to an airplane. Can't miss me! Or the 50 others dressed identically....
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 02, 2020 9:12 pm

Was a terminal E today around 12:30, picking up my wife who arrived on the AMS flight. What a desolate place! It's shocking to see it like this now compared to what it used to be. One bright spot tho besides the lack of road traffic is the large, new terminal extension taking shape.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Nov 03, 2020 3:44 pm

**2D BOS-MIA JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]
**2D BOS-PAP DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]
From enilria's weekly OAG thread. Interesting, 2D is Eastern Airlines.
I wonder what they're going to use for the route, or even if it will occur?
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:18 am

Eastern will launch Boston in December. Twice weekly each to Miami, Port-au-Prince and Santo Domingo.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 2:34 am

airbazar wrote:
Was a terminal E today around 12:30, picking up my wife who arrived on the AMS flight. What a desolate place! It's shocking to see it like this now compared to what it used to be. One bright spot tho besides the lack of road traffic is the large, new terminal extension taking shape.


Even otherwise, isn't Terminal E pretty empty on a normal day at 12:30PM? Most international flights don't arrive till 2:00 onwards.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:07 pm

acavpics wrote:
airbazar wrote:
Was a terminal E today around 12:30, picking up my wife who arrived on the AMS flight. What a desolate place! It's shocking to see it like this now compared to what it used to be. One bright spot tho besides the lack of road traffic is the large, new terminal extension taking shape.


Even otherwise, isn't Terminal E pretty empty on a normal day at 12:30PM? Most international flights don't arrive till 2:00 onwards.

Before Covid E was building up quite nicely. It was busy from about noon when the first wave of DL TATL flights landed. In addition B6 were using 3 gates and G4,F9 and SY were also building a presence there
Now.. not so much
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 7:16 pm

LEVEL has postponed BOS until March 28 2021. Initially was planned to resume on December 19.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/status/1325498858957312003?s=20
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:11 pm

nascar1 wrote:
LEVEL has postponed BOS until March 28 2021. Initially was planned to resume on December 19.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/status/1325498858957312003?s=20


That was always way too optimistic. British Airways has even suspended Boston for the moment.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 10:38 pm

NickolayAv wrote:
**2D BOS-MIA JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.2[0]
**2D BOS-PAP DEC 0>0.2[0] JAN 0>0.3[0] FEB 0>0.3[0] MAR 0>0.3[0]
From enilria's weekly OAG thread. Interesting, 2D is Eastern Airlines.
I wonder what they're going to use for the route, or even if it will occur?


One of the 767 variants since they may be better off using their recently acquired 777's on the longer MIA routes to South America.

MAH4546 wrote:
Eastern will launch Boston in December. Twice weekly each to Miami, Port-au-Prince and Santo Domingo.


Honestly with some 767's lying around for Eastern, SDQ makes a lot more sense than PAP due to a much larger market which was underserved pre-pandemic. There were rumors of PAWA Dominicana coming a year or two ago.

Even though B6 only does 2x BOS-PAP, this doubles the capacity (ignoring seats being blocked etc.)
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Nov 08, 2020 11:14 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
nascar1 wrote:
LEVEL has postponed BOS until March 28 2021. Initially was planned to resume on December 19.

https://twitter.com/Aeropuerto_BCN/status/1325498858957312003?s=20


That was always way too optimistic. British Airways has even suspended Boston for the moment.


BA has suspended SFO, SJC, DEN, MCO, BOS, LAS, EWR, and many more. This has nothing to do with BOS specifically.

BOS & SFO are cut for November only with flights scheduled to return first weeK of next month.

LEVEL also cancelled SFO until March. Again, nothing specific to BOS.
 
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Re: Boston Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Nov 09, 2020 12:50 pm

FGITD wrote:
For those who haven't been by Logan in awhile and seen it, the New terminal E expansion is well underway. Steel framework is up, and it's really coming together. Really looking forward to the day that it opens, hopefully things will be a bit more normal by then.

Also heard that a few carriers might revert to the cargo only operations this winter. Better than losing all service, but still...it's going to be a very quiet winter I think


Thanks for the update and thinking of you and the other employees at BOS during these times. I hope you and your family are well

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