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tnair1974
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 16, 2020 11:22 pm

jplatts wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Also a little surprised LEX did not get any new G4 routes. Allegiant did have summer LEX-BWI a few years ago, but that route did not come back. G4 also had LEX-LAS and am a little puzzled that this route has not returned. G4 had no competition LEX-LAS and LEX-BWI.


WN already serves BWI from both SDF and CVG, and LEX still has nonstop service to IAD on UA and DCA on DL. AA also offers 1-stop connecting service to BWI from LEX through its CLT hub.

While BWI is no longer served nonstop from LEX, there are still other options for getting to the Baltimore/DC market from the Lexington, KY market, including LEX-IAD/DCA nonstop flights, connecting options on AA through CLT, and nonstop flights to BWI, DCA, and IAD out of SDF and CVG.

:checkmark:

jplatts wrote:
While fares on connecting flights to LAS are higher from LEX than from other markets, the PDEW on LEX-LAS was only 20 passengers per day in Q3 2019. While LAS is no longer served nonstop from LEX, the lack of LAS-LEX nonstop service is not as huge of an hole as the lack of LAS-ALB, LAS-CHS, LAS-RSW, LAS-BDL, LAS-JAX, LAS-RIC, LAS-ROC, or LAS-SYR nonstop service.

G4 launched LEX-LAS, OWB-LAS and TYS-LAS back about 2012 or so. IIRC, all these routes were two/three times a week. The economy was still struggling at the time and oil prices were high, so this may be largely why all three routes were later discontinued.

Interestingly, both LEX and TYS used 752s to LAS. Guessing that G4 decided against MD-80s LEX-LAS as that could have required a payload penalty (??) during the hot summer months as LEX's main runway is only about 7000 ft / 2100 meters. 752s of course had a high power to weight ratio thus good takeoff performance. G4's A319s/A320s did not enter service until later.

G4 used MD-80s OWB-LAS, but OWB has a longer runway than LEX.

BTW, anyone aware of LEX having any other 757 service besides charters/diversions? I may vaguely recall DL up gauging to 752s for the KY Derby in decades past (besides being an alternative to SDF, there were notable celebrity Derby parties around Lexington).
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:58 am

AA 2622 LAX-SDF is about three and a half hours late this evening. Flight Aware indicates an A321 upgauge. With this being low season, guessing more likely the A319 went tech, less likely too many passengers for the A319 but updates/corrections would be appreciated.

As 747fan touched on earlier, almost all A319s out of LAX (including to SDF and roughly a half dozen other stations like AUS, IND, OMA, STL, RDU) use LUS A319s. Where do these A319s flying LAX-SDF-LAX ultimately come from and go back to? I would guess a major LUS (Legacy US Airways) maintenance base would be more likely than a major LAA base like DFW or TUL. Perhaps CLT? Maybe PIT? So if CLT, maybe LAX-IND-CLT or LAX-AUS-CLT? OMA-CLT and for that matter SDF-CLT are currently not AA mainline.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 3:49 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
AA 2622 LAX-SDF is about three and a half hours late this evening. Flight Aware indicates an A321 upgauge. With this being low season, guessing more likely the A319 went tech, less likely too many passengers for the A319 but updates/corrections would be appreciated.

Looks like the same thing happened Friday
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 20, 2020 6:55 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
AA 2622 LAX-SDF is about three and a half hours late this evening. Flight Aware indicates an A321 upgauge. With this being low season, guessing more likely the A319 went tech, less likely too many passengers for the A319 but updates/corrections would be appreciated.

As 747fan touched on earlier, almost all A319s out of LAX (including to SDF and roughly a half dozen other stations like AUS, IND, OMA, STL, RDU) use LUS A319s. Where do these A319s flying LAX-SDF-LAX ultimately come from and go back to? I would guess a major LUS (Legacy US Airways) maintenance base would be more likely than a major LAA base like DFW or TUL. Perhaps CLT? Maybe PIT? So if CLT, maybe LAX-IND-CLT or LAX-AUS-CLT? OMA-CLT and for that matter SDF-CLT are currently not AA mainline.


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N809AW
This is the A/C operating today's flight and is pretty representative of the flying pattern these planes see. They definitely make their way around the network, with these 319's usually bridging between the different hub networks through outstations (example - LAX-IND-PHX being a common one). You might see one doing "LAX market" flying for a few days before ending up in PHX, for example. In contrast, the LAA 319's flow through mostly DFW and MIA, with some ORD rotations thrown in to the ski cities and a select few other spokes. LAX does see one on LAX-EGE, however, which rotates DFW-EGE-LAX-EGE-DFW.
The heavier MNTC on the LUS 319's is generally done in PIT, CLT and PHX, with other larger stations that have AA mechanics (line maintenance) doing the more general checks, etc.
FWIW, the loads on AA2622 have still been decent for the most part even after the holiday peak. Today's LAX-SDF is completely full with no open seats, although the return is lighter.

Disappointingly, the mainline addition on the evening DFW rotation has been offset by a much lighter schedule that only sees 3 flights/day on some days.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 1:58 am

747fan wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
AA 2622 LAX-SDF is about three and a half hours late this evening. Flight Aware indicates an A321 upgauge. With this being low season, guessing more likely the A319 went tech, less likely too many passengers for the A319 but updates/corrections would be appreciated.

As 747fan touched on earlier, almost all A319s out of LAX (including to SDF and roughly a half dozen other stations like AUS, IND, OMA, STL, RDU) use LUS A319s. Where do these A319s flying LAX-SDF-LAX ultimately come from and go back to? I would guess a major LUS (Legacy US Airways) maintenance base would be more likely than a major LAA base like DFW or TUL. Perhaps CLT? Maybe PIT? So if CLT, maybe LAX-IND-CLT or LAX-AUS-CLT? OMA-CLT and for that matter SDF-CLT are currently not AA mainline.


https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N809AW
This is the A/C operating today's flight and is pretty representative of the flying pattern these planes see. They definitely make their way around the network, with these 319's usually bridging between the different hub networks through outstations (example - LAX-IND-PHX being a common one). You might see one doing "LAX market" flying for a few days before ending up in PHX, for example. In contrast, the LAA 319's flow through mostly DFW and MIA, with some ORD rotations thrown in to the ski cities and a select few other spokes. LAX does see one on LAX-EGE, however, which rotates DFW-EGE-LAX-EGE-DFW.
The heavier MNTC on the LUS 319's is generally done in PIT, CLT and PHX, with other larger stations that have AA mechanics (line maintenance) doing the more general checks, etc.
FWIW, the loads on AA2622 have still been decent for the most part even after the holiday peak. Today's LAX-SDF is completely full with no open seats, although the return is lighter.

Disappointingly, the mainline addition on the evening DFW rotation has been offset by a much lighter schedule that only sees 3 flights/day on some days.

Thanks! I forgot about PHX which of course was a hub for America West.

I recall that while both US and America West had A320 series equipment, US selected CFM engines while HP A320s had IAE powerplants. I take it that after the merger, PHX continued working on IAEs but adapted to take in CFMs of pre-merger US A320 series birds as well (HP had Boeing 733s with earlier versions of the CFM).
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 23, 2020 2:19 am

Earlier today, Cape Air inaugurated OWB-BNA flights to supplement their OWB-STL service. This new service to BNA was announced late last year. Cape Air is currently using the workhorse Cessna 402, but the 402 had been around since the 1970s. However, Cape Air has a large order of brand new "Travellers" that will replace the 402.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tecnam_P2012_Traveller

G4 continues using Airbus A320s from SFB to OWB.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 5:18 pm

Mesa strikes again on the DFW flights out of SDF...
Yesterday's 8:15AM flight (5788) finally left this morning at around 6:30 after a 22 hour delay (!) due to maintenance. But despite the extensive delay, that flight went out relatively full because this morning's 6:30AM flight (5745) is delayed until 6PM this evening due to maintenance. Hopefully nobody that posts on here was trying to take either of those flights.
Now this is bad even by Mesa's standards, but it still boggles my mind on how extensive delays and cancellations like these have been the norm for them since they took over most of those flights and opened the MNTC base 5+ years ago and yet seemingly nothing has been done about it.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 24, 2020 11:31 pm

747fan wrote:
Mesa strikes again on the DFW flights out of SDF...
Yesterday's 8:15AM flight (5788) finally left this morning at around 6:30 after a 22 hour delay (!) due to maintenance. But despite the extensive delay, that flight went out relatively full because this morning's 6:30AM flight (5745) is delayed until 6PM this evening due to maintenance. Hopefully nobody that posts on here was trying to take either of those flights.
Now this is bad even by Mesa's standards, but it still boggles my mind on how extensive delays and cancellations like these have been the norm for them since they took over most of those flights and opened the MNTC base 5+ years ago and yet seemingly nothing has been done about it.

Keeping my fingers crossed for next Tuesday. Going out on the 10:27 AM flight. Already looked up alternates to get up to DFW in time to make our flight to MAD.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 30, 2020 6:39 pm

"Also, 12/1 will reflect big deplanements AND enplanements (boardings) because it is all consolidated to one day vs spread over a few days prior to Turkey Day."

As I posted before....still think we 4.2M+ for 2019....beats the next biggest year (2000) by @300k pax.

Business First reported today: Louisville Muhammad Ali International Airport recorded its busiest year in history during 2019, setting a new mark for annual passenger traffic. The airport said more than 4.2 million arriving and departing passengers traveled through the facility last year, a number that is nearly 300,000 travelers larger than the previous all-time record set in 2000.

The airport also recorded 2.1 million passenger boardings at the airport in 2019.

Glad to see the record is set!

“We know how successful 2019 was for passenger traffic, and we believe the numbers for 2020 will be even better,” said Mann. “This is a really good time for SDF and the community. Great things are happening at Louisville’s airport.”
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 2:47 am

SDF Next might have plans for an International Terminal/concourse in the footprint of the old Delta wing. Not surprising since there has been a lot of concrete work in that area the past few years and enough room!
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:17 pm

LEX's airline passenger enplanements/deplanements for 2019.

"1,465,049 total passengers. This is a 7.6% total passenger increase over last year and is the eighth consecutive year the airport has seen a record number of travelers."

https://bluegrassairport.com/pr/012320_ ... ngers.html
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 4:11 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
LEX's airline passenger enplanements/deplanements for 2019.

"1,465,049 total passengers. This is a 7.6% total passenger increase over last year and is the eighth consecutive year the airport has seen a record number of travelers."

https://bluegrassairport.com/pr/012320_ ... ngers.html


Congrats to LEX! All the more impressive considering there is meaningful numbers of Lexington area passengers that do catch flights from CVG and SDF.

The numbers achieved by CVG, LEX and SDF are testament to the strength of the region: economically, tourism and demographics.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 01, 2020 11:42 pm

Delta's day after derby (03May) schedule is out
ATL: 7x757 3x739 1xMD90
DTW: 1x320 1x319 3x757 1x170 1xCRJ200
MSP: 1x321 1x319 1x717 1x170
BOS: 1x739
LGA: 1x321 1x717 1x170

Most of the 757s to ATL are in the morning on almost hourly schedules
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 3:21 am

thevoid156 wrote:
Delta's day after derby (03May) schedule is out
ATL: 7x757 3x739 1xMD90
DTW: 1x320 1x319 3x757 1x170 1xCRJ200
MSP: 1x321 1x319 1x717 1x170
BOS: 1x739
LGA: 1x321 1x717 1x170

Most of the 757s to ATL are in the morning on almost hourly schedules

correction: 2x170 to MSP and 3x170 to LGA
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 8:00 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
LEX's airline passenger enplanements/deplanements for 2019.

"1,465,049 total passengers. This is a 7.6% total passenger increase over last year and is the eighth consecutive year the airport has seen a record number of travelers."

https://bluegrassairport.com/pr/012320_ ... ngers.html


Congrats to LEX! All the more impressive considering there is meaningful numbers of Lexington area passengers that do catch flights from CVG and SDF.

The numbers achieved by CVG, LEX and SDF are testament to the strength of the region: economically, tourism and demographics.



"to put that into perspective....the 3 airports within @100 miles or less of each other carried @15M passengers in 2019....and none of those 3 airports operate as a major connecting hub/focus....it is primarily O&D"
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 02, 2020 11:02 pm

thevoid156 wrote:
Delta's day after derby (03May) schedule is out
ATL: 7x757 3x739 1xMD90
DTW: 1x320 1x319 3x757 1x170 1xCRJ200
MSP: 1x321 1x319 1x717 2x170
BOS: 1x739
LGA: 1x321 1x717 3x170

Most of the 757s to ATL are in the morning on almost hourly schedules

In recent years, DL 757s were a mix of 752s and 753s (IIRC, all the 753s were ATL-SDF-ATL).

I'm a little surprised DL has not tried SDF-SLC Derby flights. Or has this been done before?

Late last year, kwp302 posted in the 2019 thread about UA and AA for 2020, but of course such early schedules are subject to change. But among other news, UA was bringing back the one-offs SDF-SFO and SDF-LAX (the latter competing with AA's regular SDF-LAX service). AA (via American Eagle) was also doing a one-off SDF-BOS for the 2020 Derby.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 03, 2020 1:47 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
thevoid156 wrote:
Delta's day after derby (03May) schedule is out
ATL: 7x757 3x739 1xMD90
DTW: 1x320 1x319 3x757 1x170 1xCRJ200
MSP: 1x321 1x319 1x717 2x170
BOS: 1x739
LGA: 1x321 1x717 3x170

Most of the 757s to ATL are in the morning on almost hourly schedules

In recent years, DL 757s were a mix of 752s and 753s (IIRC, all the 753s were ATL-SDF-ATL).

I'm a little surprised DL has not tried SDF-SLC Derby flights. Or has this been done before?

Late last year, kwp302 posted in the 2019 thread about UA and AA for 2020, but of course such early schedules are subject to change. But among other news, UA was bringing back the one-offs SDF-SFO and SDF-LAX (the latter competing with AA's regular SDF-LAX service). AA (via American Eagle) was also doing a one-off SDF-BOS for the 2020 Derby.


Looks like UA has 2x LAX and 2x SFO on 5/3
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 04, 2020 2:17 pm

All-

Paducah, Kentucky is looking to build a new Terminal. In hopes by doing so, they can attract more airlines and destinations.

One of the members with Paducah Board I believe, traveled to SGU to talk to SkyWest to try and add more flights, or destinations. I believe EAS puts a halt on that without compromising the EAS contract?

Article:
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/new-bar ... e6b50.html

"PADUCAH — Would you like to see more flight destinations at Barkley Regional Airport? Airport leaders say a new terminal could make that possible.

The terminal is expected to cost around $36 million with expanded parking, a new apron, and a new rental car facility. The new terminal will be south of the current one, just down the road."

Alex
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 04, 2020 3:34 pm

atrude777 wrote:
All-

Paducah, Kentucky is looking to build a new Terminal. In hopes by doing so, they can attract more airlines and destinations.

One of the members with Paducah Board I believe, traveled to SGU to talk to SkyWest to try and add more flights, or destinations. I believe EAS puts a halt on that without compromising the EAS contract?

Article:
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/new-bar ... e6b50.html

"PADUCAH — Would you like to see more flight destinations at Barkley Regional Airport? Airport leaders say a new terminal could make that possible.

The terminal is expected to cost around $36 million with expanded parking, a new apron, and a new rental car facility. The new terminal will be south of the current one, just down the road."

Alex


"This would be a positive development for the entire region served by Barkley Regional Airport. Looks like it could be 4-5 years before it is reality? Maybe they could fast track it a bit?"
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:06 am

atrude777 wrote:
Paducah, Kentucky is looking to build a new Terminal. In hopes by doing so, they can attract more airlines and destinations.

. The terminal is expected to cost around $36 million with expanded parking, a new apron, and a new rental car facility. The new terminal will be south of the current one, just down the road."

Alex


Bluegrass60 wrote:
["This would be a positive development for the entire region served by Barkley Regional Airport. Looks like it could be 4-5 years before it is reality? Maybe they could fast track it a bit?"


WHOA! Slow down there, buddy! Being an AvGeek from Kentucky myself, I appreciate your desire and your passion to attract more commercial flights to PAH. It's just that I've seen so many small cities across the USA build air terminals in an effort to attract flights, only to have those terminals sit empty. These started out as so many "fields of dreams," with the idea of "Build it (a terminal) and they (flights) will come." Better for the economy of the region to continue to grow to where there is a greater demand for air service, then to work with your businesses and the airlines to design and build a facility to meet that demand.

There are many examples that I could give you, but I'll just list one that I'm familiar with: Muskegon County Airport (MKG) in Muskegon, Michigan. Muskegon has a population of about 155,000--a nice number for some commercial passenger air service--but they are only an hour's drive from Grand Rapids, a much larger city with mainline air service on several different carriers. Over time, Muskegon lost most of its airline service. They used to have a cute A-frame terminal, but they built a beautiful, new steel-and-glass main terminal a few years ago in an effort to attract and keep more flights. It didn't work. Today, they are still paying for the terminal while they are now down to two EAS flights a day, United Express CRJ-200s from Chicago O'Hare, spaced about twelve hours apart.

I just don't want to see the same mistake made at PAH. It's in a beautiful region with lots to offer! I wish you well.
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 6:49 pm

Headline in BFL: London calling? Speculation builds on CVG-U.K. flight. BA might select CVG for next LHR flight. In addition to CVG...the others are St. Louis, Cleveland, Kansas City, Indianapolis and Columbus. CVG is estimated to have the most potential revenue for British Airways.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 7:10 pm

atrude777 wrote:
All-

Paducah, Kentucky is looking to build a new Terminal. In hopes by doing so, they can attract more airlines and destinations.

One of the members with Paducah Board I believe, traveled to SGU to talk to SkyWest to try and add more flights, or destinations. I believe EAS puts a halt on that without compromising the EAS contract?

Article:
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/new-bar ... e6b50.html

"PADUCAH — Would you like to see more flight destinations at Barkley Regional Airport? Airport leaders say a new terminal could make that possible.

The terminal is expected to cost around $36 million with expanded parking, a new apron, and a new rental car facility. The new terminal will be south of the current one, just down the road."

Alex


What a colossal waste of money ... look no further than Williamsport, PA ....

17,000,000 for a new terminal for a community 5 times the size of PADUCAH ... and still no new flights

https://www.wnep.com/article/news/local ... feb0e371e0

Dream on Paducah ... dream on
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:55 am

SkyVoice wrote:
WHOA! Slow down there, buddy! Being an AvGeek from Kentucky myself, I appreciate your desire and your passion to attract more commercial flights to PAH. It's just that I've seen so many small cities across the USA build air terminals in an effort to attract flights, only to have those terminals sit empty. These started out as so many "fields of dreams," with the idea of "Build it (a terminal) and they (flights) will come." Better for the economy of the region to continue to grow to where there is a greater demand for air service, then to work with your businesses and the airlines to design and build a facility to meet that demand.

There are many examples that I could give you, but I'll just list one that I'm familiar with: Muskegon County Airport (MKG) in Muskegon, Michigan. Muskegon has a population of about 155,000--a nice number for some commercial passenger air service--but they are only an hour's drive from Grand Rapids, a much larger city with mainline air service on several different carriers. Over time, Muskegon lost most of its airline service. They used to have a cute A-frame terminal, but they built a beautiful, new steel-and-glass main terminal a few years ago in an effort to attract and keep more flights. It didn't work. Today, they are still paying for the terminal while they are now down to two EAS flights a day, United Express CRJ-200s from Chicago O'Hare, spaced about twelve hours apart.

I just don't want to see the same mistake made at PAH. It's in a beautiful region with lots to offer! I wish you well.

I've visited Paducah and seen the picturesque downtown/riverfront. Unfortunately, the population and economy of Paducah/McCracken County have remained somewhat stagnant (I don't know about other areas of Kentucky and southern Illinois that are in PAH's catchment). I agree with SkyVoice in that PAH's "field of dreams" idea could become a potential white elephant without first having an economic need. Granted, Paducah is relatively isolated from other commercial airports unlike BWG and CKV (Clarksville TN). However, can a ground level jetway be installed on PAH's current terminal in the meantime?

BWG built an airline terminal a few years ago (granted, a simple facility that was probably relatively inexpensive). But despite Bowling Green's rapid population/economic growth, the BWG-ATL service by Contour Airlines proved to be short-lived so that terminal sits empty of airline tenants for now. True, BWG and PAH don't have the same circumstances. Bowling Green is not that far from juggernauts SDF and especially BNA. Also, it turns out Contour from BWG apparently did not have any interline agreements with DL or other carriers at ATL which probably was a major handicap.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 3:46 am

tnair1974 wrote:
SkyVoice wrote:
WHOA! Slow down there, buddy! Being an AvGeek from Kentucky myself, I appreciate your desire and your passion to attract more commercial flights to PAH. It's just that I've seen so many small cities across the USA build air terminals in an effort to attract flights, only to have those terminals sit empty. These started out as so many "fields of dreams," with the idea of "Build it (a terminal) and they (flights) will come." Better for the economy of the region to continue to grow to where there is a greater demand for air service, then to work with your businesses and the airlines to design and build a facility to meet that demand.

There are many examples that I could give you, but I'll just list one that I'm familiar with: Muskegon County Airport (MKG) in Muskegon, Michigan. Muskegon has a population of about 155,000--a nice number for some commercial passenger air service--but they are only an hour's drive from Grand Rapids, a much larger city with mainline air service on several different carriers. Over time, Muskegon lost most of its airline service. They used to have a cute A-frame terminal, but they built a beautiful, new steel-and-glass main terminal a few years ago in an effort to attract and keep more flights. It didn't work. Today, they are still paying for the terminal while they are now down to two EAS flights a day, United Express CRJ-200s from Chicago O'Hare, spaced about twelve hours apart.

I just don't want to see the same mistake made at PAH. It's in a beautiful region with lots to offer! I wish you well.

I've visited Paducah and seen the picturesque downtown/riverfront. Unfortunately, the population and economy of Paducah/McCracken County have remained somewhat stagnant (I don't know about other areas of Kentucky and southern Illinois that are in PAH's catchment). I agree with SkyVoice in that PAH's "field of dreams" idea could become a potential white elephant without first having an economic need. Granted, Paducah is relatively isolated from other commercial airports unlike BWG and CKV (Clarksville TN). However, can a ground level jetway be installed on PAH's current terminal in the meantime?

BWG built an airline terminal a few years ago (granted, a simple facility that was probably relatively inexpensive). But despite Bowling Green's rapid population/economic growth, the BWG-ATL service by Contour Airlines proved to be short-lived so that terminal sits empty of airline tenants for now. True, BWG and PAH don't have the same circumstances. Bowling Green is not that far from juggernauts SDF and especially BNA. Also, it turns out Contour from BWG apparently did not have any interline agreements with DL or other carriers at ATL which probably was a major handicap.


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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 06, 2020 1:47 pm

I am originally from the Paducah area, and I still have family in the area. From 2005-2009 I flew into PAH several times through MEM. I would usually fly DTW-MEM-PAH, but I've also flown TOL-DTW-MEM-PAH on a couple occasions. Either way, it was always on NW on a Saab-340. I never flew through STL on the Beech 1900s. I think at its peak PAH had three daily flights to MEM and two dailies to STL. Ultimately, it was the de-hubbing of MEM and STL that killed those routes, and passenger levels haven't fully recovered from those days despite having CRJ service to ORD now.

The area has the economy and people to support a few flights a day, IMO. However, the big thing they fight is a culture of leakage to BNA and (less so) STL. Paducah has always been the regional retail, entertainment, and medical hub, and there are ~200,000 people who live in one of the contiguous counties. People in the area are used to driving to Paducah for most anything.....except air service. Their first, and only, thought is to fly out of BNA. If there was more service I could see some size-able increases in passengers, but that is a big "if" and probably not worth $36 million.

It seems like a better plan would be for terminal addition and renovation and target $5-10 million instead. There is not doubt that the terminal at PAH is out of date, but it isn't really undersized (although I think the size of the terminal may lead some to look elsewhere because it feels super small and less exciting). I would also think any ticket fees to help pay for the terminal are only going to be an additional deterrent for leakage away from PAH.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:19 am

747fan wrote:
Mesa strikes again on the DFW flights out of SDF...
Yesterday's 8:15AM flight (5788) finally left this morning at around 6:30 after a 22 hour delay (!) due to maintenance. But despite the extensive delay, that flight went out relatively full because this morning's 6:30AM flight (5745) is delayed until 6PM this evening due to maintenance. Hopefully nobody that posts on here was trying to take either of those flights.
Now this is bad even by Mesa's standards, but it still boggles my mind on how extensive delays and cancellations like these have been the norm for them since they took over most of those flights and opened the MNTC base 5+ years ago and yet seemingly nothing has been done about it.

For falling short of performance/reliability criteria set in its contract with AA, Mesa got one of its CR9s "removed" from the regular American Eagle network last month (January 2020).
http://investor.mesa-air.com/news-relea ... n-airlines

However, the said CR9 (N956LR) was simply repainted in a generic scheme and then rejoined the fleet as one of five spares.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437917&start=50#p21959303
Not sure if these CR9 spares can be used anywhere else outside of Mesa's American Eagle network. Mesa's United Express division uses CR7s and E175s. However, N956LR looks to have been hardly all that inactive after being "demoted" as it was then used at DFW on many Eagle flights including to SDF and TYS. In more recent times, the plane has been flying out of AA's PHX hub.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N956LR
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 08, 2020 12:25 am

Breeze Airlines is born https://thepointsguy.com/news/breeze-ai ... e-founder/

.....trying to find a cluster of cities that are underserved....EMB 195 Aircraft(range 2,600 miles) to start in late 2020...A220s in 2021

That cluster of cities??? SDF, DAY, TYS, CMH, CLE, BHM etc.... Hopefully SDF is shooting the breeze....with Breeze

SDF-SEA; SDF-SFO; SDF-BOS would all be in range of the 195.....the economics would work!
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 08, 2020 3:01 am

[/quote]
For falling short of performance/reliability criteria set in its contract with AA, Mesa got one of its CR9s "removed" from the regular American Eagle network last month (January 2020).
http://investor.mesa-air.com/news-relea ... n-airlines

However, the said CR9 (N956LR) was simply repainted in a generic scheme and then rejoined the fleet as one of five spares.
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1437917&start=50#p21959303
Not sure if these CR9 spares can be used anywhere else outside of Mesa's American Eagle network. Mesa's United Express division uses CR7s and E175s. However, N956LR looks to have been hardly all that inactive after being "demoted" as it was then used at DFW on many Eagle flights including to SDF and TYS. In more recent times, the plane has been flying out of AA's PHX hub.
https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N956LR[/quote]

"Removed" as in I assume 1 less frame worth of flying for Eagle, but I see those generic CR9's in a Mesa livery everytime I'm at DFW. In fact I flew on one of the other "generics" up to SDF recently (N942LR) and it still retains the American Eagle interior with the gray/red seats, etc. Of course Mesa needs all the spares they can get. Might as well leave one at SDF too...
I can tell you that if Mesa flying out of DFW gets paired down anytime soon, the SDF flights would be among the last to hold on there for YV due to the crew/maintenance base. I'm hoping that the recent announcement of Skywest getting 20 new E175's for AA flying could cause a domino effect that could mean Mesa getting consolidated to PHX, with DFW going Skywest/Envoy/PSA only. This is would almost certainly mean a product upgrade on the SDF-DFW flights to Envoy E-175's and maybe even more mainline.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 2:22 am

jplatts wrote:
tnair1974 wrote:
Also a little surprised LEX did not get any new G4 routes. Allegiant did have summer LEX-BWI a few years ago, but that route did not come back. G4 also had LEX-LAS and am a little puzzled that this route has not returned. G4 had no competition LEX-LAS and LEX-BWI.


WN already serves BWI from both SDF and CVG, and LEX still has nonstop service to IAD on UA and DCA on DL. AA also offers 1-stop connecting service to BWI from LEX through its CLT hub.

While BWI is no longer served nonstop from LEX, there are still other options for getting to the Baltimore/DC market from the Lexington, KY market, including LEX-IAD/DCA nonstop flights, connecting options on AA through CLT, and nonstop flights to BWI, DCA, and IAD out of SDF and CVG.

While fares on connecting flights to LAS are higher from LEX than from other markets, the PDEW on LEX-LAS was only 20 passengers per day in Q3 2019. While LAS is no longer served nonstop from LEX, the lack of LAS-LEX nonstop service is not as huge of an hole as the lack of LAS-ALB, LAS-CHS, LAS-RSW, LAS-BDL, LAS-JAX, LAS-RIC, LAS-ROC, or LAS-SYR nonstop service.


G4 launched LEX-LAS, OWB-LAS, and TYS-LAS back about 2012 or so. IIRC, all these routes were two/three times a week. At the time, the economy was still struggling and oil prices were high. Thus these issues may have contributed to all three routes being dropped (recently, G4 restarted TYS-LAS).

Interestingly, G4 used 752s from both LEX and TYS to LAS. Here's a 2012 video of a G4 757 departing LEX in route LAS:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-k2CdHo2C0
I'm curious why G4 decided against MD-80s LEX-LAS (G4's A319s/A320s did not enter service until later). Would an MD-80 have required a payload penalty during Lexington's hot summer months? LEX's main runway is only about 7000 ft / 2100 meters.

G4 used MD-80s OWB-LAS, but OWB and for that matter TYS have longer runways than LEX. 2012 video of G4 MD-80 from LAS landing OWB:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7wTDUCRQeI

BTW, anyone aware of LEX having any other 757 service other than charters/diversions? I may vaguely recall DL bringing 752s in for the KY Derby (besides being an alternative to SDF, there were quite a few Derby parties in years past around Lexington).

Note: I posted a reply like this post sometime ago, but for some reason that original post disappeared. I don't know if a moderator removed it, or if there was a technical glitch. If moderators have any issues with this post, feel free to contact me directly.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:24 pm

kwp302 wrote:
747fan wrote:
Mesa strikes again on the DFW flights out of SDF...
Yesterday's 8:15AM flight (5788) finally left this morning at around 6:30 after a 22 hour delay (!) due to maintenance. But despite the extensive delay, that flight went out relatively full because this morning's 6:30AM flight (5745) is delayed until 6PM this evening due to maintenance. Hopefully nobody that posts on here was trying to take either of those flights.
Now this is bad even by Mesa's standards, but it still boggles my mind on how extensive delays and cancellations like these have been the norm for them since they took over most of those flights and opened the MNTC base 5+ years ago and yet seemingly nothing has been done about it.

Keeping my fingers crossed for next Tuesday. Going out on the 10:27 AM flight. Already looked up alternates to get up to DFW in time to make our flight to MAD.

To follow up on this...everything was on time so thank goodness for that BUT the front lavatory was inoperable and there was no running water at all on the plane soooo guess there were still mx issues?
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:07 pm

AA upguaged the LAX flight the Monday after Derby (5/4) to a 738.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:19 pm

kwp302 wrote:
kwp302 wrote:
747fan wrote:
Mesa strikes again on the DFW flights out of SDF...
Yesterday's 8:15AM flight (5788) finally left this morning at around 6:30 after a 22 hour delay (!) due to maintenance. But despite the extensive delay, that flight went out relatively full because this morning's 6:30AM flight (5745) is delayed until 6PM this evening due to maintenance. Hopefully nobody that posts on here was trying to take either of those flights.
Now this is bad even by Mesa's standards, but it still boggles my mind on how extensive delays and cancellations like these have been the norm for them since they took over most of those flights and opened the MNTC base 5+ years ago and yet seemingly nothing has been done about it.

Keeping my fingers crossed for next Tuesday. Going out on the 10:27 AM flight. Already looked up alternates to get up to DFW in time to make our flight to MAD.

To follow up on this...everything was on time so thank goodness for that BUT the front lavatory was inoperable and there was no running water at all on the plane soooo guess there were still mx issues?

Hope at least your stay in Spain was great.

My daughter is now in college and she's recently thinking seriously about spending a semester abroad in the likes of Spain or elsewhere in Europe or in South America. Although that may not be for a few more years, I'd love to go visit her. Going to see how well DL Sky Miles can help out.

Regarding your mention of AA upgauging SDF-LAX to 738 (Derby flight), surprised they didn't do that last year. They will be competing with UA's one-off SDF-LAX (IIRC, a 739).
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 6:54 pm

tnair1974 wrote:
Hope at least your stay in Spain was great.

My daughter is now in college and she's recently thinking seriously about spending a semester abroad in the likes of Spain or elsewhere in Europe or in South America. Although that may not be for a few more years, I'd love to go visit her. Going to see how well DL Sky Miles can help out.

Regarding your mention of AA upgauging SDF-LAX to 738 (Derby flight), surprised they didn't do that last year. They will be competing with UA's one-off SDF-LAX (IIRC, a 739).

We were actually connecting to IB on to Rome. Did have a fantastic trip there and the weather was perfect (60's and sunny).

AA upguaging on Sunday is expected. But on Monday is interesting as most Derby departures happen on Sunday. I guess there are a few that will stay until Monday. AFAIK, American is the only so far to upguage on Monday.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 7:04 pm

thevoid156 wrote:
Delta's day after derby (03May) schedule is out
ATL: 7x757 3x739 1xMD90
DTW: 1x320 1x319 3x757 1x170 1xCRJ200
MSP: 1x321 1x319 1x717 1x170
BOS: 1x739
LGA: 1x321 1x717 1x170

Most of the 757s to ATL are in the morning on almost hourly schedules


2x 757 from ATL on Friday (5/1)
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 10:07 pm

Speaking of LAX, AA2622 was upgauged to an A321 again yesterday due to the original A319 equipment being out of service. This time it was actually one of the LUS A321's.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:52 pm

Here's the final 2019 statistics for SDF:
https://www.flylouisville.com/wp-conten ... 019-12.pdf

4,239,064 passengers - 9.65% increase over 2018
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 19, 2020 8:56 pm

kwp302 wrote:
Here's the final 2019 statistics for SDF:
https://www.flylouisville.com/wp-conten ... 019-12.pdf

4,239,064 passengers - 9.65% increase over 2018


Great news for SDF! Very encouraging to see the high rate of growth, considering many of our neighbor airports are barely growing at all.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 12:42 pm

New Trans-Atlantic – U.S. Service In The Pipeline. Soon.
https://www.aviationplanning.com/monday ... y-10-2020/
The mess and total lack of credibility created by the Chinese government in handling the coronavirus epidemic will – write this down – materially affect levels of Chinese air traffic, both domestic and international for the long term.

That, however, should have large, secondary non-hubsite U.S. airports preparing to accommodate more trans-Atlantic service....

SDF is a secondary non-hubsite US airport. That said, without FIS...TATL is not happening in 2020. CVG? CMH? What secondary non-hubsite US airports could get some TATL...at least as long as the Coronovirus continues to free-up aircraft that would have been used t/f China?
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:11 am

kwp302 wrote:
AA upguaging on Sunday is expected. But on Monday is interesting as most Derby departures happen on Sunday. I guess there are a few that will stay until Monday. AFAIK, American is the only so far to upguage on Monday.

During the early to mid-90s, DL may have up gauged a few of the Monday morning ATL departures although my memory may be playing tricks on me. Otherwise, I think AA, NW, etc pretty much went back to normal by Monday. Interesting that CO did not up gauge any of its IAH flights (normally D93s and 735s) on any day around the Derby, at least for some years. WN (relatively new at SDF at the time) also did little to no up gauging. US did some up gauging but also brought in a good number of extra sections on Sundays (extra D93s and maybe F100s to PIT and maybe PHL and CLT).
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:44 am

AA will boost DFW-LEX from three daily flights to four this June. Apparently all flights will continue utilizing Envoy E170s. Not sure if this is a seasonal addition or a more permanent change. Still a nice addition considering LEX faces stiff competition not only from AA at both CVG and SDF, but also WN on the DAL-SDF market.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 1:21 am

https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/ky-gov- ... ok_WPSD-TV

“PADUCAH -- Barkley Regional Airport is receiving state funding for a new terminal.

On Monday, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear announced that the Kentucky Department of Aviation will provide $5 million towards the new terminal.

The new 30,000 square foot terminal will have modern utilities, more room for TSA security, and a jet bridge for passengers.

It will be located just south of the current terminal”

If the timeline is correct we could be boarding our next United flight to Chicago via a Jetbridge by 2023!

Exciting times for the Paducah and Western Kentucky region. Hope it works out for them!

Alex
Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 2:50 pm

SDF posted Jan 2020 traffic. 285,193 total pax. 2.1% growth v Jan 2019. American has largest market share with 28% followed by DL(27), WN(25) and UA(14). Allegiant (5) Frontier (1).

If economy remains strong and tourism/convention growth continues would expect similar growth in Feb...then higher growth March thru Dec. New routes, added frequencies and larger equipment would help.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 3:31 pm

atrude777 wrote:
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/ky-gov-to-announce-major-project/article_050f0122-56fe-11ea-bfdc-63f886142436.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_WPSD-TV

“PADUCAH -- Barkley Regional Airport is receiving state funding for a new terminal.

On Monday, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear announced that the Kentucky Department of Aviation will provide $5 million towards the new terminal.

The new 30,000 square foot terminal will have modern utilities, more room for TSA security, and a jet bridge for passengers.

It will be located just south of the current terminal”

If the timeline is correct we could be boarding our next United flight to Chicago via a Jetbridge by 2023!

Exciting times for the Paducah and Western Kentucky region. Hope it works out for them!

Alex

The $5 million of funding was pulled from the funds for smaller airport pavement rehabs, safety area enhancements, lighting repairs, etc. that simply keep those airports running. Does PAH really need this?
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 5:22 pm

Bluegrass60 wrote:
SDF posted Jan 2020 traffic. 285,193 total pax. 2.1% growth v Jan 2019. American has largest market share with 28% followed by DL(27), WN(25) and UA(14). Allegiant (5) Frontier (1).

Market share point is a good one.

AA passed up DL and WN in 2019 for the largest share.

2018:
DL - 1,062,804 - 25.37%
WN - 1,015,572 - 26.27%
AA - 980,643 - 25.37%
UA - 502,166 - 12.99%
G4 - 134,240 - 3.47%
F9 - 50,774 - 1.31%

2019:
AA - 1,151,048 - 27.15%
DL - 1,122,569 - 26.48%
WN - 1,097,904 - 25.90%
UA - 556,146 - 13.12%
G4 - 241,678 - 5.06%
F9 - 62,379 - 1.47%

Related: AA's mainline total jumped from 6,795 passengers in 2018 (basically only Derby time) to 180,814 passengers in 2019. Obviously this is due to the added LAX flight and mainline service to DFW and CLT (and the random one to PHL during Thanksgiving week)

Mainline passengers related to each legacy airline's total passengers in 2019:
DL - 63.69% - (714,910 mainline passengers of 1,122,569 total Delta passengers)
AA - 15.71% - (180,814 of 1,151,048)
UA - 1.16% - (6,443 of 556,146)
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:33 pm

kwp302 wrote:
Bluegrass60 wrote:
SDF posted Jan 2020 traffic. 285,193 total pax. 2.1% growth v Jan 2019. American has largest market share with 28% followed by DL(27), WN(25) and UA(14). Allegiant (5) Frontier (1).

Market share point is a good one.

AA passed up DL and WN in 2019 for the largest share.

2018:
DL - 1,062,804 - 25.37%
WN - 1,015,572 - 26.27%
AA - 980,643 - 25.37%
UA - 502,166 - 12.99%
G4 - 134,240 - 3.47%
F9 - 50,774 - 1.31%

2019:
AA - 1,151,048 - 27.15%
DL - 1,122,569 - 26.48%
WN - 1,097,904 - 25.90%
UA - 556,146 - 13.12%
G4 - 241,678 - 5.06%
F9 - 62,379 - 1.47%

Related: AA's mainline total jumped from 6,795 passengers in 2018 (basically only Derby time) to 180,814 passengers in 2019. Obviously this is due to the added LAX flight and mainline service to DFW and CLT (and the random one to PHL during Thanksgiving week)

Mainline passengers related to each legacy airline's total passengers in 2019:
DL - 63.69% - (714,910 mainline passengers of 1,122,569 total Delta passengers)
AA - 15.71% - (180,814 of 1,151,048)
UA - 1.16% - (6,443 of 556,146)


"Thanks for the market share break down. Back in the day I flew alot of PI and USAir....then USAir cut back mainline at SDF and I shifted to DL and WN. Also shifted because USAir became AWFUL. Today AA actually has better schedules then DL for where I normally travel...but....only need 40k to hit 1M on DL...so will stick with them at least to that mark. The more AA goes mainline at SDF the more am likely to think of them....and eventually fly them.

Here is how I see the future for the US3 + WN at SDF:
* AA - continued move to mainline and/or E-170-175. BOS is a possible add
* DL - continued move to mainline and/or E-170-175. BOS, SLC, SEA, RDU are possible adds
* UA - continued move to mainline and/or E-170-175. LAX, SFO are possible adds.
* WN - added frequencies to MDW, BWI, TPA, MCO. STL and ATL are possible adds.

Wish we could see one of the US3+WN create a focus-type operation at SDF. UA/AA more likely than DL/WN

Frontier - who knows. Bring back Austin! Allegiant appears to be building a nice operation at SDF...wonder if they will make SDF a destination one of these days (Bourbonism related)?

Would think Spirit and JetBlue might select SDF to start a few routes someday? Maybe Alaska?

I fully expect Breeze Airways to blow into town when they launch on Q4 2020 or 2021.

Congrats to PAH. I think that is an example of build it and they will come. Alternatively...not building it....they definitely will not come
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:46 am

kwp302 wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
https://www.wpsdlocal6.com/news/ky-gov-to-announce-major-project/article_050f0122-56fe-11ea-bfdc-63f886142436.html?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_WPSD-TV

“PADUCAH -- Barkley Regional Airport is receiving state funding for a new terminal.

On Monday, Kentucky Governor Andy Beshear announced that the Kentucky Department of Aviation will provide $5 million towards the new terminal.

The new 30,000 square foot terminal will have modern utilities, more room for TSA security, and a jet bridge for passengers.

It will be located just south of the current terminal”

If the timeline is correct we could be boarding our next United flight to Chicago via a Jetbridge by 2023!

Exciting times for the Paducah and Western Kentucky region. Hope it works out for them!

Alex

The $5 million of funding was pulled from the funds for smaller airport pavement rehabs, safety area enhancements, lighting repairs, etc. that simply keep those airports running. Does PAH really need this?

Sounds like robbing from Peter to pay for Paul. General Aviation airports are important for many smaller communities too small for scheduled airline service and/or relatively isolated from commercial airports like SDF, CVG and LEX.

It's understandable for PAH wanting to update from a terminal that was dedicated when Barkley himself was still Vice President of the US (built 1952). But I remain unconvinced that it's worth $36 million.

Is the overall price tag still around $36 million?
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:45 pm

Mystery airline launching service at CVG; announcement due Friday

Guesses? JetBlue?, Spirit?, BA?, Midwest Express?
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:48 pm

Friday is a odd day for an announcement.

Sent from my SM-G950U using Tapatalk
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 1:49 pm

Perhaps it is AS to give DL a little competition on the CVG-Sea route.
 
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Re: Kentucky Aviation Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 05, 2020 2:05 pm

A new airline for CVG is supposed to be announced Friday!

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