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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:23 am

Any fleet movements ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas next week? Thanks to this thread last year I was able to ride on an A350 domestically, so your reports are always great appreciated!
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:44 pm

Happy New Year!

The first 76Z is heading to CAN for mods (188)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/ ... 18-fa-0002
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:03 am

777Mech wrote:
Happy New Year!

The first 76Z is heading to CAN for mods (188)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/id/ ... 18-fa-0002

What’s in the refresh? More seats?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:19 am

Delta350 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
The first 76Z is heading to CAN for mods (188)

What’s in the refresh? More seats?

Adding Premium Economy
Refreshing Economy Seats
PED Power
New Lavatories
LED Lighting

Config going from C26W29Y171 (226) to C26Y+18W21Y151 (216)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:06 am

DL has given us a first peak into the W20-21 aircraft route allocation.
Selected changes from W19-20 to W20-21:
ATL-CDG: 764->772
ATL-DUS: 764->76Z
ATL-EZE: 764->76Z
ATL-HND/NRT: 359->772
ATL-HNL: 333->76T
ATL-SCL: 76Z->333
ATL-STR: 764->76Z
BOS-CDG: 76T->333
DTW-LHR: 332->764
LAX-HNL: 76Z->76T
ICN/NRT->MNL: 76Z->339
JFK-DUB: 764->333
JFK-GRU: 333->764
LAX-PVG: 772->77L
MSP-CDG: 76T->333
MSP-HND: 772->359
MSP-LHR: 332->764
PDX-AMS: 76Z->332
PDX->HND/NRT: 76Z->332
SEA-CDG: 76T->333
SEA-PEK/PKX: 76T->339
SLC-HNL: 333->752
SLC-LHR: 332->76Z
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:29 am

Did DL remove all A359s from LAX service to slim down widebody ops? I have photos of their A359s coming in from Tokyo and Shanghai, which have been replaced by 772s.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 3:34 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
Any fleet movements ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas next week? Thanks to this thread last year I was able to ride on an A350 domestically, so your reports are always great appreciated!


Answering my own question some, I see the following additional widebody routes to and from Las Vegas:

January 4:
NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300

January 5:
NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300
ICN-LAS DL76 A350-900
LAS-ATL DL8783 777-200

January 6:
NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300
ICN-LAS DL76 A350-900
LAS-MSP DL865 A350-900

January 8:
ATL-LAS DL1905 777-200

January 9:
MSP-LAS DL1393 A350-900

January 10:
LAS-NRT DL289 A330-300
LAS-ICN DL77 A350-900
MSP-LAS DL1393 A350-900

January 11:
LAS-NRT DL289 A330-300
LAS-ICN DL77 A350-900

I just can’t figure out how the A330s are getting to and from these routes. Any others you all see?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:53 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
I just can’t figure out how the A330s are getting to and from these routes. Any others you all see?

The 333 (N829NW) is getting to NRT by way of ATL-LAX-HNL-NRT.
ATL-LAX-HNL is upgraded flights from 752 i believe
HNL-NRT is additional segment to coincide with Japan New Year holiday period ending
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:23 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Any fleet movements ahead of the Consumer Electronics Show in Vegas next week? Thanks to this thread last year I was able to ride on an A350 domestically, so your reports are always great appreciated!


Answering my own question some, I see the following additional widebody routes to and from Las Vegas:

January 4:
NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300

January 5:
NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300
ICN-LAS DL76 A350-900
LAS-ATL DL8783 777-200

January 6:
NRT-LAS DL288 A330-300
ICN-LAS DL76 A350-900
LAS-MSP DL865 A350-900

January 8:
ATL-LAS DL1905 777-200

January 9:
MSP-LAS DL1393 A350-900

January 10:
LAS-NRT DL289 A330-300
LAS-ICN DL77 A350-900
MSP-LAS DL1393 A350-900

January 11:
LAS-NRT DL289 A330-300
LAS-ICN DL77 A350-900

I just can’t figure out how the A330s are getting to and from these routes. Any others you all see?


There are also extra DL flights:

- AMS-LAS on A333
- CDG-LAS on B772
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:13 pm

Any new news on Delta's assumption of LATAMs A350 orders or purchase/transfer of the existing 4? I believe (per the purchase thread) they were supposed to be taking 2 of LATAM's deliveries in 2020 in addition to the 2 of their own.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:07 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
777Mech wrote:
The first 76Z is heading to CAN for mods (188)

What’s in the refresh? More seats?

Adding Premium Economy
Refreshing Economy Seats
PED Power
New Lavatories
LED Lighting

Config going from C26W29Y171 (226) to C26Y+18W21Y151 (216)

What about the same Delta One seats the 767-400, and will the planes be receiving the new wireless IFE system?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:09 pm

NateGreat wrote:
[What about the same Delta One seats the 767-400, and will the planes be receiving the new wireless IFE system?

NO NEW J SEATS
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:12 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
[What about the same Delta One seats the 767-400, and will the planes be receiving the new wireless IFE system?

NO NEW J SEATS

Will they at least update the IFE throughout the plane, with the new wireless IFE?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:50 am

NateGreat wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
[What about the same Delta One seats the 767-400, and will the planes be receiving the new wireless IFE system?

NO NEW J SEATS

Will they at least update the IFE throughout the plane, with the new wireless IFE?


I don't think so. This seems like a minor refresh that allows them to sell the Premium Select product on more routes, but that does not make a significant capital outlay, as these airplanes will be relegated to routes with less high-yield demand and then phased out of the fleet. Between the newly delivered A330s and A350s, and the refurbished 764s, the can cover most of the premium routes without needing to make a major investment in the 763 fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:51 am

CES-related flights loaded so far:

01/02
N829NW (333): ATL-LAX-HNL

01/03
N829NW (333): HNL-NRT

01/04
N863DA (772): CDG-LAS-CDG
N829NW (333): NRT-LAS-NRT
N830NW (333): AMS-LAS-AMS

01/05
N864DA (772): CDG-LAS-CDG
N829NW (333): NRT-LAS-NRT
N504DN (359): ICN-LAS-MSP
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 5:32 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
CES-related flights loaded so far:

01/02
N829NW (333): ATL-LAX-HNL

01/03
N829NW (333): HNL-NRT

01/04
N863DA (772): CDG-LAS-CDG
N829NW (333): NRT-LAS-NRT
N830NW (333): AMS-LAS-AMS

01/05
N864DA (772): CDG-LAS-CDG
N826NW (333): AMS-LAS-AMS
N829NW (333): NRT-LAS-NRT
N504DN (359): ICN-LAS-MSP


01/06
N864DA (772): CDG-LAS-ATL
N807NW (333): AMS-LAS
N829NW (333): NRT-LAS
N511DN (359): ICN-LAS-MSP
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:14 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:

CES-related flights loaded so far:

01/05
N864DA (772): CDG-LAS-CDG
N826NW (333): AMS-LAS-AMS
N829NW (333): NRT-LAS-NRT
N504DN (359): ICN-LAS-MSP



In addition, not strictly DL but a DL codeshare on 01/05:

PH-BKA (B787-10) in special KLM 100 Year livery: AMS-LAS-AMS
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 7:21 pm

Looks like SEA's relationship with the A330 is changing from the center of an X to an endpoint of two W rotations, across the Pacific for the 339 and the Atlantic for the 333.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 9:20 pm

12/30-1/5 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 128/154
Spares: 8/154 (1x76L; 3x76Z; 2x764; 1x764(DS); 1x333)
Conversion: 7/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected]; 2x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 11/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 0/154

Highlights
> The prototype of the 76Z cabin refresh has entered CAN (N188DN)
> 7CB (N709DN) entered SIN on 11/1-2 (#10/10)

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-MCO-ATL (1166/2813) from 76Z to 752 effective 12/31
> ATL-SAN-ATL (1839/1839) cancelled effective 1/2
> ATL-SLC-ATL (2243/2125) from 76Z to 739 effective 1/3
> JFK-GIG (479/478) daily 76Z effective 1/3
> JFK-HNL (449/448) cancelled effective 1/5
> MSP-CDG (42/43) daily 76T effective 1/3

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
12/30: SLC-ATL; MCO-ATL; OGG-SEA
12/31: ATL-SLC; BOS-ATL; ATL-SEA; SEA-ATL; SLC-ATL
1/1: ATL-MCO; ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-SJU-JFK; ATL-SLC
1/2: ATL-BOS; ATL-LAX-HNL
1/3: LAX-HNL; ATL-JFK
1/4: HNL-LAX
1/5: MCO-ATL; ATL-MCO-ATL; ATL-MCO-ATL

Charters
12/31: LAX-ELP-PHX-LAX (NCAAF)
12/31: CVG-CLT-LEX-CVG (NCAAF)
1/1-2: ATL-ONT-MSN-MSP (NCAAF)
1/2: ATL-MSY-ATL (NCAAF)
1/3-5: JFK-MSP-MSY-MSP-ATL (NFL)
1/4: LAX-ANC-AEX-LAX (military)
1/4-5: JFK-ANC-AEX-ATL (military)
1/5-7: ATL-POB-HHN-KWI-HHN-ATL (military)

CES Flights/Upgrades
1/4: CDG-LAS-CDG; NRT-LAS-NRT; AMS-LAS-AMS
1/5: CDG-LAS-CDG; PVG-LAS; AMS-LAS-AMS; NRT-LAS-NRT; ICN-LAS-MSP

Noteworthy Diversions
12/30: ATL-PVG -> ANC (tech)
1/1: GIG-ATL -> POS (medical) -> SJU (crew timeout)
1/3: JFK-LIS -> MAD (weather)
1/4: GIG-JFK -> SJU (medical) -> MIA (crew timeout)

Flight Cancellations
1/4: MSP-LHR; NRT-PDX; HNL-DTW; TLV-JFK
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 06, 2020 11:10 pm

Looks like N171DN went to MCI for Heavy Maintenance.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N171DN
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:21 pm

Does anyone have specifics on the timing of this year's 339 deliveries, and the 763 conversion and/or retirement schedule (looking at you, hkcanadaexpat)? Are any 76Ls or 76Ts getting retired or modified this year?

I'm looking at the currently loaded summer schedule and trying to figure out what still might shift around in the 763 fleet. As of now, SEA-PKX is still loaded as a 76T. I think this was expected by many to move to the 339 at some point this Spring/Summer, but I'm wondering with the move out to PKX from PEK if DL's going to play it safe and leave the 76T on this route for a while longer. The problem is that the 76T fleet is definitely over scheduled as of now. I'm seeing SEA-PKX, SEA-KIX, LAX-HNL, MSP-HNL, ATL-HNL, ATL-LIM, HNL-HND, HNL-NGO, and HNL-KIX, which would require 10 frames. I'm wondering if DL plans on rotating the refurbished 76Zs in on these routes along with the 76Ts, and is currently only selling 208 seats to be conservative until full aircraft rotations are worked out...

On the other hand, if DL does end up scheduling the 339 on SEA-PKX this summer (they'd need 6 or 7 to be in operation in order to make that work along with the already scheduled SEA-ICN-MNL and SEA-PVG), there would appear to be a lot more 763 slack than in previous years. Based on current June schedules:

76T - 10 out of 7 (with potentially 2 freed up if SEA-PKX moves to the 339, and ATL-LIM as another easy swap to get down to just 7)
76L - 6 out of 8 (mostly JFK-LAX, with JFK-TXL and JFK-VCE thrown in)
76Z - 35 out of 41

Even if the refurbished 76Zs are rotated along with the 76L fleet and SEA-PKX stays 763 for now (which could essentially make the utilization something like 10 out of 10, 6 out of 8, and 35 out of 38, respectively, assuming at least 3 76Zs are refurbished by summer), this looks like more slack than the last few summers. If SEA-PKX does go 339, that could mean up to 7 spare 763s, and even 8 when ATL-MUC moves to the 764 in July. Maybe there's yet to be a few domestic rotations added - JFK-SFO, ATL-LAX, and ATL-SLC-HNL could all be good targets if the repeated unscheduled upgauges reflected in this thread are anything to go by. Thoughts?

It's worth noting that the rest of the DL international widebody fleet seems to be fairly well maxed out as currently scheduled in June:

764: 18-19 out of 21 (going up to 19-20 out of 21 in July)
332: 11 out of 11
333: 30 out of 31
772: 8 out of 8
77L: 9 out of 10
359: 15 out of 15
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:03 pm

FSDan wrote:
Even if the refurbished 76Zs are rotated along with the 76L fleet and SEA-PKX stays 763 for now (which could essentially make the utilization something like 10 out of 10, 6 out of 8, and 35 out of 38, respectively, assuming at least 3 76Zs are refurbished by summer), this looks like more slack than the last few summers. If SEA-PKX does go 339, that could mean up to 7 spare 763s, and even 8 when ATL-MUC moves to the 764 in July. Maybe there's yet to be a few domestic rotations added - JFK-SFO, ATL-LAX, and ATL-SLC-HNL could all be good targets if the repeated unscheduled upgauges reflected in this thread are anything to go by. Thoughts?


Maybe you have found the foreshadowing of 763 retirements that haven't been announced yet? Thanks for the level of attention you've given this.

I can't believe DL will go through the summer under-utilized. Now, if they're planning domestic 763 use to counter the late-coming 321neos, I could see that. A recent thread pointed to 15 frames that were supposed to be delivered this year that won't be.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 1:54 am

FSDan wrote:
Does anyone have specifics on the timing of this year's 339 deliveries, and the 763 conversion and/or retirement schedule (looking at you, hkcanadaexpat)? Are any 76Ls or 76Ts getting retired or modified this year?

I'm looking at the currently loaded summer schedule and trying to figure out what still might shift around in the 763 fleet. As of now, SEA-PKX is still loaded as a 76T. I think this was expected by many to move to the 339 at some point this Spring/Summer, but I'm wondering with the move out to PKX from PEK if DL's going to play it safe and leave the 76T on this route for a while longer. The problem is that the 76T fleet is definitely over scheduled as of now. I'm seeing SEA-PKX, SEA-KIX, LAX-HNL, MSP-HNL, ATL-HNL, ATL-LIM, HNL-HND, HNL-NGO, and HNL-KIX, which would require 10 frames. I'm wondering if DL plans on rotating the refurbished 76Zs in on these routes along with the 76Ts, and is currently only selling 208 seats to be conservative until full aircraft rotations are worked out...

On the other hand, if DL does end up scheduling the 339 on SEA-PKX this summer (they'd need 6 or 7 to be in operation in order to make that work along with the already scheduled SEA-ICN-MNL and SEA-PVG), there would appear to be a lot more 763 slack than in previous years. Based on current June schedules:

76T - 10 out of 7 (with potentially 2 freed up if SEA-PKX moves to the 339, and ATL-LIM as another easy swap to get down to just 7)
76L - 6 out of 8 (mostly JFK-LAX, with JFK-TXL and JFK-VCE thrown in)
76Z - 35 out of 41

Even if the refurbished 76Zs are rotated along with the 76L fleet and SEA-PKX stays 763 for now (which could essentially make the utilization something like 10 out of 10, 6 out of 8, and 35 out of 38, respectively, assuming at least 3 76Zs are refurbished by summer), this looks like more slack than the last few summers. If SEA-PKX does go 339, that could mean up to 7 spare 763s, and even 8 when ATL-MUC moves to the 764 in July. Maybe there's yet to be a few domestic rotations added - JFK-SFO, ATL-LAX, and ATL-SLC-HNL could all be good targets if the repeated unscheduled upgauges reflected in this thread are anything to go by. Thoughts?

It's worth noting that the rest of the DL international widebody fleet seems to be fairly well maxed out as currently scheduled in June:

764: 18-19 out of 21 (going up to 19-20 out of 21 in July)
332: 11 out of 11
333: 30 out of 31
772: 8 out of 8
77L: 9 out of 10
359: 15 out of 15


Lots of questions...

Let's start with the fleet come S20:

7x 76T (no changes; DS conversion has been postponed)
8x 76L (2x 76Ls converting to 76Zs this winter; no retirements this W - they're all going through maintenance now)
1x 76"X" (prototype of refurbished 76Z will act as a spare throughout the S20 season; just like the 764 did last summer)
40x 76Z (2 converted 76Ls added to current 38 strong; no retirements this W; no more conversions this W)
11x 332 (no change)
??x 764DS (unfortunately not all frames will finish conversion before S20; final tally TBD)
??x 764 (remaining conversions to be completed in W20-21)
8x 339 (deliveries scheduled in Jan/Feb/May/Jun)
8x 772 (no change; refurb complete)
10x 77L (refurb to be completed during W19-20)
21x 333 (no change; prototype for refurb scheduled to enter in Sep)
10x 333HGW (no change)
15x 359 (deliveries scheduled in Mar/Apr)

On the routes and scheduling, I think there are a few moving pieces outstanding which most likely relate to whether or not (1) 339 deliveries remain on schedule (seat deliveries have been an issue) and (2) how many 764s get converted this winter. Once that is clarified, you'll see resolution in the conflicts in the database.

I personally believe that SEA-PKX will go 339 hence making the 76T rotations work. The 76L rotations do work (note that some rotations allow for 2 JFK-LAX departures per day so 7 JFK-LAX rotations can be covered by 5-6 frames). As per other summers, you're looking at 4-5 763ER spares, this year mostly in the 76Z format. We'll also see the usual 764/777/333 spares. Nothing out of the ordinary. We usually also see a number of domestic routes added to widebodies closer to summer time like the SLC-BOS rotation of last summer.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:10 am

Wait I'm confused. Have any of the ex NW A330s had an interior refresh??
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 2:38 am

flyabr wrote:
Wait I'm confused. Have any of the ex NW A330s had an interior refresh??

Not yet they're going to happen at some point I believe, the 76 were worse and those the priority from what i have read
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:08 am

FSDan wrote:
Based on current June schedules:
76T - 10 out of 7 (with potentially 2 freed up if SEA-PKX moves to the 339, and ATL-LIM as another easy swap to get down to just 7)
76L - 6 out of 8 (mostly JFK-LAX, with JFK-TXL and JFK-VCE thrown in)
76Z - 35 out of 41
764: 18-19 out of 21 (going up to 19-20 out of 21 in July)
332: 11 out of 11
333: 30 out of 31
772: 8 out of 8
77L: 9 out of 10
359: 15 out of 15

i ran a simulation and i get the following aircraft usage:
76T: 10/7 (if you move ATL-LIM to 76Z and SEA-PEK to 339 you get 7/7)
76L: 6/8 (two hot spares)
76X: 0/1 (one hot spare)
76Z: 34/40 (+ATL-LIM would leave 5 hot spares)
332: 11/11
764(DS): 19/?? (shuffle between 764 and 764(DS) to be expected)
764: 0/??
339: 5/8 (+SEA-PEK would leave 1 hot spare and/or induction depending on delivery date)
772: 8/8
77L: 9/10 (note that the an ATL-JFK rotation needs to be added for the JFK-BOM flight)
333: 30/31 (one hot spare)
359: 15/15

That leaves 13/160 (8.1%) hot spares in S20 compared to 7/152 (4.6%) hot spares in S19. I think the higher figures for S20 is a testament of the risk currently seen within DL about the 339 delivery schedule and the 764 conversions. SLC-HNL and other domestic routes may be added if/when the risk gets eliminated.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:12 pm

flyabr wrote:
Wait I'm confused. Have any of the ex NW A330s had an interior refresh??


Since when? Post 10/2008 merger they got lie-flat seats in J and added Comfort+ -- circa 2012, maybe? Before DL finished the 763 IIRC.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 3:16 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
flyabr wrote:
Wait I'm confused. Have any of the ex NW A330s had an interior refresh??

Since when? Post 10/2008 merger they got lie-flat seats in J and added Comfort+ -- circa 2012, maybe? Before DL finished the 763 IIRC.


I was aiming for complete interior refurb front to back. Sounds like that hasn't happened yet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 4:16 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Let's start with the fleet come S20:

7x 76T (no changes; DS conversion has been postponed)


What is this “DS Conversion?”
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:06 pm

DS = Delta Suites

quote="KMCOFlyer"]
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Let's start with the fleet come S20:

7x 76T (no changes; DS conversion has been postponed)


What is this “DS Conversion?”[/quote]
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:34 pm

flyabr wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
flyabr wrote:
Wait I'm confused. Have any of the ex NW A330s had an interior refresh??

Since when? Post 10/2008 merger they got lie-flat seats in J and added Comfort+ -- circa 2012, maybe? Before DL finished the 763 IIRC.


I was aiming for complete interior refurb front to back. Sounds like that hasn't happened yet.


No, that refurb was a complete one as it included new Main Cabin seats as well and an entirely new AVOD IFE system.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:43 pm

KMCOFlyer wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
Let's start with the fleet come S20:

7x 76T (no changes; DS conversion has been postponed)


What is this “DS Conversion?”


Since the 767s are not getting the Suites, it could be a term to describe both Delta One Suites and the new Delta One seats on the 767.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:52 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Based on current June schedules:
76T - 10 out of 7 (with potentially 2 freed up if SEA-PKX moves to the 339, and ATL-LIM as another easy swap to get down to just 7)
76L - 6 out of 8 (mostly JFK-LAX, with JFK-TXL and JFK-VCE thrown in)
76Z - 35 out of 41
764: 18-19 out of 21 (going up to 19-20 out of 21 in July)
332: 11 out of 11
333: 30 out of 31
772: 8 out of 8
77L: 9 out of 10
359: 15 out of 15

i ran a simulation and i get the following aircraft usage:
76T: 10/7 (if you move ATL-LIM to 76Z and SEA-PEK to 339 you get 7/7)
76L: 6/8 (two hot spares)
76X: 0/1 (one hot spare)
76Z: 34/40 (+ATL-LIM would leave 5 hot spares)
332: 11/11
764(DS): 19/?? (shuffle between 764 and 764(DS) to be expected)
764: 0/??
339: 5/8 (+SEA-PEK would leave 1 hot spare and/or induction depending on delivery date)
772: 8/8
77L: 9/10 (note that the an ATL-JFK rotation needs to be added for the JFK-BOM flight)
333: 30/31 (one hot spare)
359: 15/15

That leaves 13/160 (8.1%) hot spares in S20 compared to 7/152 (4.6%) hot spares in S19. I think the higher figures for S20 is a testament of the risk currently seen within DL about the 339 delivery schedule and the 764 conversions. SLC-HNL and other domestic routes may be added if/when the risk gets eliminated.


Thanks for the context about the potential delays in 764 conversions and 339 deliveries. That makes sense why the scheduling appears slightly more conservative than the past two summers.

I'm wondering why the 76T is scheduled on ATL-LIM at all. Seems like a strange outlier for an otherwise HNL-centric fleet, and also lower capacity than DL typically offers to LIM (with the 764 and even 77L having been used recently).
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Jan 11, 2020 8:22 pm

AdEd wrote:
Since the 767s are not getting the Suites, it could be a term to describe both Delta One Suites and the new Delta One seats on the 767.

The 76Z are not getting Delta Suites but the 76T are getting them (similar to the 764s not the 359/777s). Assuming the 76T conversion program gets taken up again next year after being postponed this year.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:16 pm

1/6-1/12 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 127/154
Spares: 12/154 (2x76L; 7x76Z; 1x764; 1x764(DS); 1x772)
Conversion: 7/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected]; 2x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 8/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 0/154

Highlights
> Taal Volcano outside of Manila causing numerous cancellations & delays

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-BRU (80/81) 467 764 effective 1/9
> ATL-CDG (82/83) from 764 to 333 effective 1/7
> ATL-EZE (101/110) from 76L to 333 effective 1/6
> ATL-MCO (1418/387) from 752 to 76Z effective 1/6
> ATL-PDX (415/415) x6 76Z effective 1/6
> ATL-SLC (2285/2398) seasonal cancelled effective 1/6
> BOS-CDG (404/405) from 76Z to 76T effective 1/6
> BOS-DUB (154/155) seasonal cancelled effective 1/7
> CVG-CDG (228/229) from 76T to 76Z effective 1/8
> DTW-FRA (86/87) daily 332 effective 1/7
> DTW-HNL (599/598) seasonal cancelled effective 1/6
> HNL-KIX/NRT (205/204) seasonal cancelled effective 1/6
> JFK-BRU (140/141) from 76Z to 764 effective 1/7
> JFK-LAX (447/1436) daily 76L effective 1/6
> JFK-LAX (454/2164) x267 76L effective 1/6
> JFK-LIS (272/273) from 76Z to 75W effective 1/7
> JFK-TLV (466/467) seasonal cancelled effective 1/7
> RDU-CDG (230/231) from 76T to 76Z effective 1/10

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
1/6: ATL-JFK; ATL-FLL-ATL-FLL-ATL; LAX-ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO-ATL; DTW-ATL
1/7: ATL-JFK; ATL-LAX-ATL; JFK-SLC; BOS-MCO; ATL-MSP; JFK-ATL
1/8: ATL-SEA; JFK-ATL; SLC-JFK; MCO-ATL-MCO; ATL-SJU-ATL
1/9: SEA-HNL-SEA; ATL-DTW
1/10: JFK-SLC-JFK; ATL-FLL-ATL
1/11: ATL-JFK; JFK-ATL
1/12: JFK-SFO-JFK; JFK-SFO-JFK; MSP-ATL

Charters
1/6-8: CVG-POB-HHN-KWI-HHN-CVG (military)
1/8-9: ATL-NKT-RIV-MSP (military)
1/8-10: JFK-SUU-MSP-HHN-KWI-XJD-HHN-JFK (military)
1/10: JFK-GSP-MSY-JFK (NCAAF)
1/10-11: MSP-SJC-MSP (NFL)
1/12: MSP-ONT-SDF-ATL (military)

CES Flights/Upgrades
1/6: JFK-LAS-JFK; SLC-LAS-SLC; CDG-LAS; JFK-LAS-JFK; AMS-LAS; LHR-LAS-LHR; NRT-LAS; ICN-LAS-MSP
1/7: LAS-ATL
1/8: ATL-LAS
1/9: JFK-LAS-JFK; JFK-LAS-JFK; LAS-AMS
1/10: CDG-LAS-CDG; LHR-LAS-LHR; AMS-LAS-AMS; LAS-NRT; MSP-LAS-ICN
1/11: CDG-LAS-CDG; AMS-LAS-AMS; NRT-LAS-NRT; MSP-LAS-ICN

Noteworthy Diversions
1/6: JNB-ATL -> SJU (refuel)
1/9: LAS-CDG -> BOS (tech)
1/11: ATL-MAD -> CVG (tech)
1/11: AMS-ATL -> GSP (weather)

Flight Cancellations
1/10: CVG-CDG
1/12: NRT-MNL (volcano)
1/13: NRT-MNL (volcano)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 9:27 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
1/6-1/12 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 127/154
Spares: 12/154 (2x76L; 7x76Z; 1x764; 1x764(DS); 1x772)
Conversion: 7/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected]; 2x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 8/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 0/154

Highlights
> Taal Volcano outside of Manila causing numerous cancellations & delays

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-BRU (80/81) 467 764 effective 1/9
> ATL-CDG (82/83) from 764 to 333 effective 1/7
> ATL-EZE (101/110) from 76L to 333 effective 1/6
> ATL-MCO (1418/387) from 752 to 76Z effective 1/6
> ATL-PDX (415/415) x6 76Z effective 1/6
> ATL-SLC (2285/2398) seasonal cancelled effective 1/6
> BOS-CDG (404/405) from 76Z to 76T effective 1/6
> BOS-DUB (154/155) seasonal cancelled effective 1/7
> CVG-CDG (228/229) from 76T to 76Z effective 1/8
> DTW-FRA (86/87) daily 332 effective 1/7
> DTW-HNL (599/598) seasonal cancelled effective 1/6
> HNL-KIX/NRT (205/204) seasonal cancelled effective 1/6
> JFK-BRU (140/141) from 76Z to 764 effective 1/7
> JFK-LAX (447/1436) daily 76L effective 1/6
> JFK-LAX (454/2164) x267 76L effective 1/6
> JFK-LIS (272/273) from 76Z to 75W effective 1/7
> JFK-TLV (466/467) seasonal cancelled effective 1/7
> RDU-CDG (230/231) from 76T to 76Z effective 1/10

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
1/6: ATL-JFK; ATL-FLL-ATL-FLL-ATL; LAX-ATL-MCO-ATL-MCO-ATL; DTW-ATL
1/7: ATL-JFK; ATL-LAX-ATL; JFK-SLC; BOS-MCO; ATL-MSP; JFK-ATL
1/8: ATL-SEA; JFK-ATL; SLC-JFK; MCO-ATL-MCO; ATL-SJU-ATL
1/9: SEA-HNL-SEA; ATL-DTW
1/10: JFK-SLC-JFK; ATL-FLL-ATL
1/11: ATL-JFK; JFK-ATL
1/12: JFK-SFO-JFK; JFK-SFO-JFK; MSP-ATL

Charters
1/6-8: CVG-POB-HHN-KWI-HHN-CVG (military)
1/8-9: ATL-NKT-RIV-MSP (military)
1/8-10: JFK-SUU-MSP-HHN-KWI-XJD-HHN-JFK (military)
1/10: JFK-GSP-MSY-JFK (NCAAF)
1/10-11: MSP-SJC-MSP (NFL)
1/12: MSP-ONT-SDF-ATL (military)

CES Flights/Upgrades
1/6: JFK-LAS-JFK; SLC-LAS-SLC; CDG-LAS; JFK-LAS-JFK; AMS-LAS; LHR-LAS-LHR; NRT-LAS; ICN-LAS-MSP
1/7: LAS-ATL
1/8: ATL-LAS
1/9: JFK-LAS-JFK; JFK-LAS-JFK; LAS-AMS
1/10: CDG-LAS-CDG; LHR-LAS-LHR; AMS-LAS-AMS; LAS-NRT; MSP-LAS-ICN
1/11: CDG-LAS-CDG; AMS-LAS-AMS; NRT-LAS-NRT; MSP-LAS-ICN

Noteworthy Diversions
1/6: JNB-ATL -> SJU (refuel)
1/9: LAS-CDG -> BOS (tech)
1/11: ATL-MAD -> CVG (tech)
1/11: AMS-ATL -> GSP (weather)

Flight Cancellations
1/10: CVG-CDG
1/12: NRT-MNL (volcano)
1/13: NRT-MNL (volcano)

Which aircraft types operated the LHR-LAS-LHR flights?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 13, 2020 10:06 pm

NateGreat wrote:
Which aircraft types operated the LHR-LAS-LHR flights?

332
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:29 am

Did anyone ever hear why DL 701, JNB-ATL, diverted to JFK on 12/29/19?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:35 am

Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:41 am

DL right now has a limited amount of A350's and they are going onto routes where the margin is lower (e.g. East Asia). As Australia fares are usually very high there is less of a need to use the A350 where the 77L will do just fine. There was also a rumour that due to diversions and equiptment the A350 couldn't make LAX-SYD (maybe this has been rectified by now?).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:42 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?

First of all they are not 777-300ERs, they are 777-200LR's. Second of all, the OLDEST of the 10x frames DL has is turning 12 years old next month so this conversation is about 10 years away from being had and the replacement is maybe 15 years away from being delivered.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:44 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?

First of all they are not 777-300ERs, they are 777-200LR's. Second of all, the OLDEST of the 10x frames DL has is turning 12 years old next month so this conversation is about 10 years away from being had and the replacement is maybe 15 years away from being delivered.

Um, no? https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-t ... 1027672595
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:46 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?

First of all they are not 777-300ERs, they are 777-200LR's. Second of all, the OLDEST of the 10x frames DL has is turning 12 years old next month so this conversation is about 10 years away from being had and the replacement is maybe 15 years away from being delivered.

Um, no? https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-t ... 1027672595


That clearly shows “Operated by Virgin Australia.”

Jeremy
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:47 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?

First of all they are not 777-300ERs, they are 777-200LR's. Second of all, the OLDEST of the 10x frames DL has is turning 12 years old next month so this conversation is about 10 years away from being had and the replacement is maybe 15 years away from being delivered.


There's been some discussion about NOT using A350-900s on this route. Not a problem of range IIRC but alternate airports? With the LATAM transaction DL seems headed to a fleet of 39 A350s by 2025/26.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:52 am

SESGDL wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
First of all they are not 777-300ERs, they are 777-200LR's. Second of all, the OLDEST of the 10x frames DL has is turning 12 years old next month so this conversation is about 10 years away from being had and the replacement is maybe 15 years away from being delivered.

Um, no? https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-t ... 1027672595


That clearly shows “Operated by Virgin Australia.”

Jeremy

Doh! Fair enough.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 12:54 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
patrickjp93 wrote:
Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?

First of all they are not 777-300ERs, they are 777-200LR's. Second of all, the OLDEST of the 10x frames DL has is turning 12 years old next month so this conversation is about 10 years away from being had and the replacement is maybe 15 years away from being delivered.


There's been some discussion about NOT using A350-900s on this route. Not a problem of range IIRC but alternate airports? With the LATAM transaction DL seems headed to a fleet of 39 A350s by 2025/26.

Hmm, wonder why. The 200LR is a pretty old bird. I realize it's not fully loaded with 3 auxiliary tanks, but probably just one to cover the range, but it's still not a super efficient craft for the route.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:39 am

Delta has more A350s than 777LRs, has had A350s for 2 1/2 years, has all the performance data, and yet chooses to use 777LRs on the route. You really need to dial up your analytical and rhetorical skills if you want to make a compelling argument they're doing it wrong.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:45 am

MIflyer12 wrote:
Delta has more A350s than 777LRs, has had A350s for 2 1/2 years, has all the performance data, and yet chooses to use 777LRs on the route. You really need to dial up your analytical and rhetorical skills if you want to make a compelling argument they're doing it wrong.

That’s like saying UA is wrong for using retrofitted 767s on their EWR-LHR flights.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 14, 2020 2:50 am

patrickjp93 wrote:
Does anyone know when Delta will swap out their LAX-SYD 777-300ER with the A350, or else have a source on them considering the 777X to replace it?

Their are very few planes you can confidently say Delta won't buy but the 777X is very likely on that list

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