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1989worstyear
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Jan 27, 2020 11:35 pm

777Mech wrote:
dstblj52 wrote:
1989worstyear wrote:

Odd - I imagine the cost of keeping a bunch of 1990 era higher-time birds around, even if used for charters, would be expensive.

Delta already has the pilots, cabin crew, gate agents, rampers who are familiar with 76's the real cost to them of keeping them around is whatever the cost to reconfigure the interior and the limited maintenance they're going to need spending most of their life on the ground. There is a reason a decent number of charter and freight operators are still flying 737 classics.


I believe Delta is taking a wait and see approach on the 76T, my belief is that they think they can get a good deal on either more 330NEOs, or the XLR. The resale market is really good on the 767s for freighter conversions, and I think for the right deal, they'll sell those frames off (NFL/freighter conversion) and put that money towards more efficient airframes.


I always thought they already had more than enough A330's on order to cover the longer 763 routes?
Stuck at age 15 thanks to the certification date of the A320-200 and my parents' decision to postpone having a kid by 3 years. At least there's Dignitas...
 
Delta350
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 12:30 am

Delta might reposition some of its A339s and 350s to Transatlantic routes.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/https-the ... ronavirus/
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hkcanadaexpat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 2:50 am

1/27-2/2 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 125/154
Spares: 11/154 (1x76T; 1x76L; 3x76Z; 2x764(DS); 1x764; 3x333)
Conversion: 7/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected]; 2x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 11/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 0/154

Highlights
> US-China flights are being cancelled until further notice due to the coronavirus
> 764 N836MH exited mods in CAN on 1/28 (#7/21)
> 77L N708DN scheduled to exit mods in SIN on 2/5 (#9/10)

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-EZE (101/110) from 333 to 76Z effective 01/31
> ATL-FRA (14/15) from 764 to 332 effective 01/29
> ATL-LHR (30/31) from 764DS to 764 effective 01/28
> ATL-LHR (32/33) from 332 to 764DS effective 01/27
> ATL-STR (116/117) from 76Z to 764 effective 01/30
> BOS-CDG (404/405) from 76T to 76Z effective 02/01
> JFK-AMS (50/51) seasonal cancelled effective 02/21
> JFK-DUB (44/45) from 76Z to 333 effective 01/30
> JFK-FRA (106/107) from 764 to 332 effective 01/29
> JFK-LHR (3/4) from 332 to 764DS effective 01/28

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
1/27: ATL-MCO-ATL; ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-SFO-JFK; JFK-ATL
1/28: JFK-ATL; ATL-JFK
1/29: MCO-ATL-MCO
1/30: ATL-SEA-HNL; JFK-ATL; ATL-JFK
1/31: SEA-HNL-ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-MIA-JFK; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-SEA-ATL; JFK-SLC-JFK; SEA-HNL; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-BOS-ATL
2/1: ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-SLC-JFK; HNL-SEA; ATL-MSP; ATL-SLC-ATL; ATL-LAX-MIA
2/2: LAX-DTW-LAX; LAX-OGG; ATL-SEA-ATL; JFK-MIA; JFK-SLC; SLC-JFK; MSP-ATL; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-SLC

Charters
1/27: ATL-SVN-RIV-ATL (military)
1/27: MSP-SVN-RIV-MSP (military)
1/29-30: ATL-SVN-RIV-SVN-RIV-ATL (military)
1/29-30: JFK-HOP-RIV-ELP-LAN-JFK (military)
1/30-31: SLC-SVN-RIV-SLC (military)
2/1: LAX-HOP-RIV-LAX (military)
2/1-2: ATL-SVN-RIV-SVN-RIV-ATL (military)

Noteworthy Diversions
2/1: STR-ATL -> JFK (crew timeout?)
2/2: BOG-ATL -> MIA (medical)
2/2: PEK-DTW -> SEA (conavirus?)

Flight Cancellations
1/30: MNL-NRT
1/31: DTW-PVG; NRT-MNL; SEA-PVG; JNB-ATL
2/1: ATL-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG
2/2: ATL-PVG; DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; JFK-BOM; LAX-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG
 
TW870
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:50 am

Delta350 wrote:
Delta might reposition some of its A339s and 350s to Transatlantic routes.
https://thepointsguy.com/news/https-the ... ronavirus/


I wondered this too. This source, though, only has one references to an actual Delta document, which is a 1/31/2020 cabin crew newsletter which says the impacted aircraft will be "reallocated to other routes." That doesn't mean real much, though, as it might just mean they build more slack into the schedule as they rotate the aircraft through the system on "other routes" (such as ICN, NRT, and AMS) that those aircraft fly.

I believe DL's China departures most days are 2x359, 2x777, 1x339, and 1x763. The bottom line is that no single fleet is impacted too heavily. Granted, if suppliers can deliver the interiors soon, they will have 4x339 and 2x359 coming online in short order, which means they would have a lot of slack in those fleets. My hunch, though, is that they will basically build slack into the schedules and have more hot spares rather than adding the complexity of swapping 767s for newer Airbuses a STR or an EZE or some other higher-yield route for the next couple of months.
 
NateGreat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 3:59 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
1/27-2/2 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 125/154
Spares: 11/154 (1x76T; 1x76L; 3x76Z; 2x764(DS); 1x764; 3x333)
Conversion: 7/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected]; 2x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 11/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 0/154

Highlights
> US-China flights are being cancelled until further notice due to the coronavirus
> 764 N836MH exited mods in CAN on 1/28 (#7/21)
> 77L N708DN scheduled to exit mods in SIN on 2/5 (#9/10)

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-EZE (101/110) from 333 to 76Z effective 01/31
> ATL-FRA (14/15) from 764 to 332 effective 01/29
> ATL-LHR (30/31) from 764DS to 764 effective 01/28
> ATL-LHR (32/33) from 332 to 764DS effective 01/27
> ATL-STR (116/117) from 76Z to 764 effective 01/30
> BOS-CDG (404/405) from 76T to 76Z effective 02/01
> JFK-AMS (50/51) seasonal cancelled effective 02/21
> JFK-DUB (44/45) from 76Z to 333 effective 01/30
> JFK-FRA (106/107) from 764 to 332 effective 01/29
> JFK-LHR (3/4) from 332 to 764DS effective 01/28

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
1/27: ATL-MCO-ATL; ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-SFO-JFK; JFK-ATL
1/28: JFK-ATL; ATL-JFK
1/29: MCO-ATL-MCO
1/30: ATL-SEA-HNL; JFK-ATL; ATL-JFK
1/31: SEA-HNL-ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-MIA-JFK; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-SEA-ATL; JFK-SLC-JFK; SEA-HNL; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-BOS-ATL
2/1: ATL-MCO-ATL; JFK-SLC-JFK; HNL-SEA; ATL-MSP; ATL-SLC-ATL; ATL-LAX-MIA
2/2: LAX-DTW-LAX; LAX-OGG; ATL-SEA-ATL; JFK-MIA; JFK-SLC; SLC-JFK; MSP-ATL; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-SLC

Charters
1/27: ATL-SVN-RIV-ATL (military)
1/27: MSP-SVN-RIV-MSP (military)
1/29-30: ATL-SVN-RIV-SVN-RIV-ATL (military)
1/29-30: JFK-HOP-RIV-ELP-LAN-JFK (military)
1/30-31: SLC-SVN-RIV-SLC (military)
2/1: LAX-HOP-RIV-LAX (military)
2/1-2: ATL-SVN-RIV-SVN-RIV-ATL (military)

Noteworthy Diversions
2/1: STR-ATL -> JFK (crew timeout?)
2/2: BOG-ATL -> MIA (medical)
2/2: PEK-DTW -> SEA (conavirus?)

Flight Cancellations
1/30: MNL-NRT
1/31: DTW-PVG; NRT-MNL; SEA-PVG; JNB-ATL
2/1: ATL-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG
2/2: ATL-PVG; DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; JFK-BOM; LAX-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG

Why did one of the LHR rotations come off of the 764DS?
 
hkcanadaexpat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 05, 2020 4:20 am

Why did one of the LHR rotations come off of the 764DS?[/quote]
It did not. DL30 was replaced by DL32 on 764DS so all-in-all same place we started the week with 1x ATL-LHR is 764DS and 1x is not.
 
hkcanadaexpat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:18 am

2/3-2/9 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 125/154
Spares: 13/154 (2x76L; 4x76Z; 1x332; 1x764(DS); 1x764; 1x77L; 3x333)
Conversion: 5/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 10/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 1/154 ([email protected])

Highlights
> US-China flights are being cancelled until further notice due to the coronavirus
> Winter Storm Ciara forced the cancellation of many European flights on 02/08 (UK) & 02/09 (Continental Europe)
> 77L N708DN exited mods in SIN on 2/5 (#9/10)
> 77L N709DN exited mods in SIN on 2/7 (#10/10)
> 339 N405DX out on another test flight in TLS on 2/8; deliver expected by month's end (#5/37)
> 339 N408DX rolled out of FAL in TLS (#8/37)

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-LHR (30/31) from 764 to 764DS effective 02/08

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
2/3: OGG-LAX; MIA-ATL; JFK-SLC-JFK; MIA-JFK; CVG-ATL; ATL-SFO-ATL-MCO; ATL-MIA-ATL; MIA-LAX-MSP; ATL-JFK-ATL; MSP-ATL-DTW-MSP; SLC-ATL
2/4: ATL-LAX-ATL; ATL-MIA-ATL; ATL-MIA-ATL-CVG; ATL-FLL-ATL; ATL-MIA-ATL; ATL-MCO; MCO-ATL; MSP-PDX
2/5: LAX-ATL; ATL-LAX; ATL-MCO-ATL; PDX-MSP
2/6; ATL-TPA-ATL; SEA-JFK; SEA-MSP-SEA-HNL; SEA-PHX-SEA; ATL-MCO
2/7: JFK-SJU-JFK; JFK-SLC-JFK; ATL-TPA-ATL; ATL-FLL-ATL; HNL-SEA; SEA-HNL-SEA; MCO-ATL; ATL-TPA-ATL
2/8: JFK-SEA; LAX-OGG; JFK-SLC-JFK; ATL-MCO-ATL; ATL-FLL-ATL; ATL-JFK; JFK-ATL; ATL-MIA-ATL; MSP-ATL
2/9: LAX-HNL; SEA-JFK; OGG-LAX; ATL-MCO-ATL; MSP-MCO-MSP

Charters
2/3-6: JFK-HHN-KWI-XJD-HHN-PSM-SEA (military)
2/9-12: MCO-NKT-ANC-OKO-DNA-ANC-MCO (military)
2/9->: SEA-KUH-DNA-KUH-DNA-KUH-??? (military)

Noteworthy Diversions
none

Flight Cancellations
2/3: ATL-PVG; DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; JFK-ZRH; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG
2/4: DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; LAX-PVG; SEA-PEK; GIG-ATL; ZRH-JFK
2/5: ATL-PVG; DTW-PVG; LAX-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG
2/6: ATL-PVG; DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG
2/7: ATL-PVG; DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; LAX-PVG; SEA-PEK; SEA-PVG; ICN-SEA
2/8: ATL-LHR (2x); BOS-LHR; DTW-LHR; DTW-PEK; DTW-PVG; JFK-LHR (2x); MSP-LHR; SEA-PEK; SLC-LHR
2/9: ATL-MUC; ATL-STR; JFK-ZRH; MSP-AMS
 
CRJ200flyer
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 3:13 pm

Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation.
 
hkcanadaexpat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:19 pm

CRJ200flyer wrote:
Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation.

The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP.
So far none of them have been stored or reallocated. DL is simply alternating through the fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 7:50 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation.

The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP.
So far none of them have been stored or reallocated. DL is simply alternating through the fleet.


It looks like DL has updated March schedules to rotate some of these planes onto TATL routes:

SEA-AMS shows A339 (from A333)
DTW-CDG shows an A359 (from A333)
DTW-AMS all 3 daily flights are now A359
MSP-CDG is now a 777
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 10, 2020 8:14 pm

panamair wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation.

The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP.
So far none of them have been stored or reallocated. DL is simply alternating through the fleet.


It looks like DL has updated March schedules to rotate some of these planes onto TATL routes:

SEA-AMS shows A339 (from A333)
DTW-CDG shows an A359 (from A333)
DTW-AMS all 3 daily flights are now A359
MSP-CDG is now a 777


Glad to hear the A350s are staying in DTW and upgrading these European routes. Now that begs the question - where are the associated A330s going?
 
FlyBitcoin
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 1:16 am

CRJ200flyer wrote:
panamair wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP.
So far none of them have been stored or reallocated. DL is simply alternating through the fleet.


It looks like DL has updated March schedules to rotate some of these planes onto TATL routes:

SEA-AMS shows A339 (from A333)
DTW-CDG shows an A359 (from A333)
DTW-AMS all 3 daily flights are now A359
MSP-CDG is now a 777


Glad to hear the A350s are staying in DTW and upgrading these European routes. Now that begs the question - where are the associated A330s going?


Looks like the 330's are going to BOS to run:
BOS-DUB
BOS-CDG

and SEA-CDG is now a 330 for March as well
 
rjbesikof
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:13 am

panamair wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
CRJ200flyer wrote:
Anyone know where the few China wide bodies are sitting? I’m based in DTW, and I’ve seen an A350 camping out in the old Smith Terminal ramp, though not sure if it’s related to the current situation.

The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP.
So far none of them have been stored or reallocated. DL is simply alternating through the fleet.


It looks like DL has updated March schedules to rotate some of these planes onto TATL routes:

SEA-AMS shows A339 (from A333)
DTW-CDG shows an A359 (from A333)
DTW-AMS all 3 daily flights are now A359
MSP-CDG is now a 777


Besides MSP-CDG, where else is the 777 being sent to? Also where are the 767s being deployed?
 
FlyBitcoin
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:57 pm

rjbesikof wrote:
panamair wrote:
hkcanadaexpat wrote:
The 359s are in DTW. The 76Ts and 339s are in SEA. The 772s in LAX/MSP.
So far none of them have been stored or reallocated. DL is simply alternating through the fleet.


It looks like DL has updated March schedules to rotate some of these planes onto TATL routes:

SEA-AMS shows A339 (from A333)
DTW-CDG shows an A359 (from A333)
DTW-AMS all 3 daily flights are now A359
MSP-CDG is now a 777


Besides MSP-CDG, where else is the 777 being sent to? Also where are the 767s being deployed?


777's going to ATL-CDG also.
 
LAOCA
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 5:59 pm

DylanHarvey wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
The 77L can carry a good deal more payload than the 359 on this particular route. The 77Ls used on the route are freshly refurbished so the passenger experience is similar to the 350. I have no doubt that the green eyeshades have done the math and that the 77L can generate enough extra revenue on the route that flying it here is a better overall financial decision than flying it somewhere else.

This is one of the 3 routes where the 77L's ridiculous payload range is nice. Remember the A359 is a ~6000nm aircraft at MZFW, the 77L is 7600nm. It aligns, JNB, SYD, and PVG are some of DL's most lucrative cargo destinations, so having 50t+ of available payload while needing to go 15hrs is handy


Yet, with a full pax load, the A350 has a lot of headroom left in hitting MZFW above and beyond a full pax load. Originally there was an alternate issue using DL operating guidelines for the A350 flying LAX-SYD. Now I think it's about pilot base and positioning issues.

The A350 is almost always going to be a more efficient airplane than a 777. But there are 18 777s still online and they are going to fly somewhere. So pilot bases, circulation through MTC and total time in air are also factors in planning type.
 
FSDan
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 6:39 pm

This weekend, DL loaded a few domestic rotations for the international widebody fleet: the expected daily ATL-JFK/JFK-ATL on the 77L to rotate an aircraft into position for JFK-BOM, and also a daily ATL-SLC/SLC-ATL 763 frequency that appears to rotate with SLC-AMS.
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FlyBitcoin
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:08 pm

Once the ATL-LAX 77L daily rotation ends in March, the only regular D1 Suite domestic route will be that ATL-JFK 77L rotation.
 
NateGreat
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:24 pm

FlyBitcoin wrote:
Once the ATL-LAX 77L daily rotation ends in March, the only regular D1 Suite domestic route will be that ATL-JFK 77L rotation.

Why are they ending ATL-LAX 777 service?
 
DylanHarvey
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 7:34 pm

LAOCA wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
The 77L can carry a good deal more payload than the 359 on this particular route. The 77Ls used on the route are freshly refurbished so the passenger experience is similar to the 350. I have no doubt that the green eyeshades have done the math and that the 77L can generate enough extra revenue on the route that flying it here is a better overall financial decision than flying it somewhere else.

This is one of the 3 routes where the 77L's ridiculous payload range is nice. Remember the A359 is a ~6000nm aircraft at MZFW, the 77L is 7600nm. It aligns, JNB, SYD, and PVG are some of DL's most lucrative cargo destinations, so having 50t+ of available payload while needing to go 15hrs is handy


Yet, with a full pax load, the A350 has a lot of headroom left in hitting MZFW above and beyond a full pax load. Originally there was an alternate issue using DL operating guidelines for the A350 flying LAX-SYD. Now I think it's about pilot base and positioning issues.

The A350 is almost always going to be a more efficient airplane than a 777. But there are 18 777s still online and they are going to fly somewhere. So pilot bases, circulation through MTC and total time in air are also factors in planning type.

Yes, that is true. A359 is still a freakishly capable aircraft.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 8:30 pm

NateGreat wrote:
FlyBitcoin wrote:
Once the ATL-LAX 77L daily rotation ends in March, the only regular D1 Suite domestic route will be that ATL-JFK 77L rotation.

Why are they ending ATL-LAX 777 service?


Aircraft rotation. LAX-PVG used to be a 359 route (and maybe a 777-200ER route for a while after that while the 77Ls finished up interior mods?), which meant the 77Ls operating LAX-SYD needed a domestic sector to be able to rotate with the rest of the fleet. Now, LAX-PVG is going to be a 77L route, meaning that an aircraft can fly ATL-PVG-LAX-SYD-LAX-PVG (RON)-ATL and stay connected to the rest of the fleet.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:47 am

LAOCA wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
seabosdca wrote:
The 77L can carry a good deal more payload than the 359 on this particular route. The 77Ls used on the route are freshly refurbished so the passenger experience is similar to the 350. I have no doubt that the green eyeshades have done the math and that the 77L can generate enough extra revenue on the route that flying it here is a better overall financial decision than flying it somewhere else.

This is one of the 3 routes where the 77L's ridiculous payload range is nice. Remember the A359 is a ~6000nm aircraft at MZFW, the 77L is 7600nm. It aligns, JNB, SYD, and PVG are some of DL's most lucrative cargo destinations, so having 50t+ of available payload while needing to go 15hrs is handy


Yet, with a full pax load, the A350 has a lot of headroom left in hitting MZFW above and beyond a full pax load. Originally there was an alternate issue using DL operating guidelines for the A350 flying LAX-SYD. Now I think it's about pilot base and positioning issues.

The A350 is almost always going to be a more efficient airplane than a 777. But there are 18 777s still online and they are going to fly somewhere. So pilot bases, circulation through MTC and total time in air are also factors in planning type.


Plus, the A350 and the TrentXWB are still getting PIPs, and are going to do even better on fuel burn and thus payload performance going forward. I think you will eventually see the 777s come off the very long routes while the 777s rotate onto Europe ops. But you will need A350 fleet growth before that.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:36 am

TW870 wrote:
Plus, the A350 and the TrentXWB are still getting PIPs, and are going to do even better on fuel burn and thus payload performance going forward.


Agree. If it continues to develop at a rate we've seen so far, I see a 9000nm pax+bags bird on A350-1000 in 2025, perhaps a bit more if MTOW raise beyond 319t is possible (and I think rumoured 321-322t option is quite possible). We still have to see if A adjusts wing twist as well, as it did on 900.

Cheers,
Adam
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:11 pm

gloom wrote:
TW870 wrote:
Plus, the A350 and the TrentXWB are still getting PIPs, and are going to do even better on fuel burn and thus payload performance going forward.


Agree. If it continues to develop at a rate we've seen so far, I see a 9000nm pax+bags bird on A350-1000 in 2025, perhaps a bit more if MTOW raise beyond 319t is possible (and I think rumoured 321-322t option is quite possible). We still have to see if A adjusts wing twist as well, as it did on 900.

Cheers,
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IT's already in development for Quantas :)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:46 pm

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IT's already in development for Quantas :)


Probably. Still, it's rumoured, since not in ACAPS (and I think Airbus also did not confirm specific number).

Cheers,
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:19 am

While researching flights to LAS in late March I discovered 763 flights from ATL, DTW, and MSP that all appear to be in addition to the normal schedule and all arrive between 11:30am and 12:50pm using 8XXX flight numbers. Anyone know the reasons?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:06 am

N2111J wrote:
While researching flights to LAS in late March I discovered 763 flights from ATL, DTW, and MSP that all appear to be in addition to the normal schedule and all arrive between 11:30am and 12:50pm using 8XXX flight numbers. Anyone know the reasons?


Those aircraft and crews were freed up when the China flights went offline.
The 339's, 777's, and 359's moved to TATL, freeing up some 330's and 763's.
The 330's were redeployed on other TATL routes which freed up more 763's.

Then, if you follow me, that will free up some 739's which might upgauge some 717's which might upgauge some CR9's which might upgauge some CR7's which might upgauge some CR2's which will be justly parked as they should be.
And tons of fliers in CR2 markets will rejoice. (Pure speculation on this part, but one never knows where the dominoes stop falling).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:51 am

N2111J wrote:
While researching flights to LAS in late March I discovered 763 flights from ATL, DTW, and MSP that all appear to be in addition to the normal schedule and all arrive between 11:30am and 12:50pm using 8XXX flight numbers. Anyone know the reasons?


It's not NCAA March Madness, nor an obvious huge Las Vegas conference.

Speculation: Demand to LAS (and MCO) is effectively infinite when you can pump connecting traffic through the big hubs. If they want to fly planes rather than have them sit, this is something to try in March.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 5:09 am

8XXX flights are one offs not regular scheduled so the aircraft/crews liberated from China has nothing to do with those.
There must be something in Vegas that week that enticed DL to add capacity.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:11 pm

Thanks for the possible explanations. Those flights operate daily for at least a week between 3/24 and 3/31 so if it's something big in Vegas it's more than just a one or 2 day thing.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:19 pm

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
8XXX flights are one offs not regular scheduled so the aircraft/crews liberated from China has nothing to do with those.
There must be something in Vegas that week that enticed DL to add capacity.


I think it actually does have to do with the China situation. At an investor presentation about a week ago, a DL spokesperson specifically mentioned they could be moving widebodies to heavy volume destinations like LAS:

https://thepointsguy.com/news/american- ... ronavirus/

Further down in the linked article:

"...….Both Delta and United are looking at using their idled China jets to replace older, smaller models on other long-haul routes. Delta’s vice president of investor relations Jill Greer told Evercore that the Airbus A330neos scheduled to fly to Shanghai could be used to replace Boeing 767s across the Atlantic. The A330-900s have Delta’s latest onboard products, including Delta One business class suites and Premium Select premium economy seats, that have yet to be installed on 767-300ERs. The SkyTeam Alliance carrier, however, would not idle the 767s if it shifts the A330neos to the Atlantic. The older widebodies would likely be used on “high volume, high load factor” routes, like to Las Vegas (LAS), during the interim, Greer told Evercore....."
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 12:40 am

Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977

This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airports. They also often have weird one out of BFM or YMX. Are they just filing tests?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 1:47 am

bspc wrote:
Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977

This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airports. They also often have weird one out of BFM or YMX. Are they just filing tests?


Does anyone know the registration of this flight? BFM usually has test flights fly around for awhile then come back.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 15, 2020 5:46 am

Delta350 wrote:
bspc wrote:
Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977

This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airports. They also often have weird one out of BFM or YMX. Are they just filing tests?


Does anyone know the registration of this flight? BFM usually has test flights fly around for awhile then come back.


I don’t think that is a flight that will ever be performed since there is no A350 for delta active at TLS, unless it’s one of the a330neos.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 16, 2020 1:44 pm

An interesting maintenance tidbit. N803NW (333) flew to QRO on 2/12.
This is the first DL widebody visit to the DL/AM joint new maintenance centre there.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 17, 2020 1:33 pm

2/10-2/16 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 116/154
Spares: 24/154 (1x76T; 2x76L; 5x76Z; 1x332; 1x764(DS); 3x764; 1x339; 2x772; 2x77L; 3x333; 3x359)
Conversion: 5/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 9/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 0/154

Highlights
> US-China flights are being cancelled until further notice due to the coronavirus
> Lagos weather and poor equipment is causing havoc to flights to/from there
> 764 N825MH scheduled to enter mods in CAN on 2/18 (#12/21)
> 764 N837MH scheduled to exit mods from CAN on 2/18 (#8/21)

Flight/Route Changes
> ATL-MCO (1418/387) from 76Z to 752 effective 02/15
> ATL-PDX (415/415) from 76Z to 752 effective 02/15
> ATL-STR (116/117) from 764 to 76Z effective 02/16
> DTW-LHR (598/599) seasonal rotation on 02/15

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
2/10: HNL-LAX; JFK-SLC-JFK; SEA-SLC-SEA; MSP-ATL-MSP
2/11: JFK-SLC
2/12: SLC-JFK; ATL-MCO-ATL; MCO-ATL; JFK-SFO-JFK
2/13: ATL-LAX
2/14: JFK-SLC-JFK; LAX-SFO-LAX
2/15: JFK-SLC-JFK
2/16: LAX-ATL

Charters
2/15: ATL-SVN-LFI-WRI-JFK (military)
2/16-??: ATL-NGU-ONT-ANC-OKO-UTP-??? (military)

Noteworthy Diversions
2/10: ATL-SLC -> MCI (medical)
2/10: JFK-LOS ->ACC (weather)
2/11: ATL-LOS -> DSS (weather)
2/12: JFK-LOS ->DSS (weather)
2/14: GRU-JFK -> BSB (tech)

Flight Cancellations
2/10: GIG-ATL; LHR-JFK
2/13: ATL-LOS
2/14: JFK-LOS
2/15: BCN-JFK
2/16: AMS-MCO
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:22 pm

bspc wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
bspc wrote:
Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977

This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airports. They also often have weird one out of BFM or YMX. Are they just filing tests?


Does anyone know the registration of this flight? BFM usually has test flights fly around for awhile then come back.


I don’t think that is a flight that will ever be performed since there is no A350 for delta active at TLS, unless it’s one of the a330neos.


As expected the flight never happened, despite what FR24 shows:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 7:28 pm

N825MH has arrived at CAN for mods this evening:

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n825mh
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 18, 2020 8:17 pm

bspc wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
bspc wrote:
Anybody have any idea what this Flight is all about? (DAL9977 TLS-YYZ). There hasn't been any A350 Flight Testing for Delta at TLS for nearly a year.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/dl9977

This is not the first time we have seen weird Delta 'Scheduled Flights' out of Final Assembly Airports. They also often have weird one out of BFM or YMX. Are they just filing tests?


Does anyone know the registration of this flight? BFM usually has test flights fly around for awhile then come back.


I don’t think that is a flight that will ever be performed since there is no A350 for delta active at TLS, unless it’s one of the a330neos.



Could it be related to the A350s that are coming from the LATAM deal?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:52 am

Anyone know anything about this flight...DL9967 from NRT>RYP:

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL9967/23eb96cd

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N156DL
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 20, 2020 3:36 pm

339 to be deployed earlier for DL142/143 SEA - AMS in March only.

Source: https://insideflyer.nl/delta-vanaf-2-ma ... amsterdam/
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:26 pm

AMS getting treated well so it seems

359 also to be deployed for DL136/137 DTW - AMS, from March 2nd.

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ight=Delta
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 7:44 pm

I wonder if the surplus of widebody aircraft will pump up the on time stats this summer. For all carriers, not just DL.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 9:54 pm

2/17-2/23 Period
Total Fleet: 154
Scheduled Service: 116/154
Spares: 23/154 (2x76T; 2x76L; 4x76Z; 1x332; 1x764(DS); 2x764; 2x772; 3x77L; 3x333; 3x359)
Conversion: 5/154 (1x [email protected]; 4x [email protected])
Maintenance/Paint: 9/154 ([email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected])
Induction/Storage: 1/154 ([email protected])

Highlights
> US-China flights are being cancelled until further notice due to the coronavirus
> MWC Barcelona additional flights (JFK-BCN 2/21-22-23)
> 764 N825MH entered mods in CAN on 2/18 (#12/21)
> 764 N827MH schedule to enter mods in CAN on 2/25 (#13/21)
> 764 N837MH exited mods from CAN on 2/18 (#8/21)
> 764 N837MH scheduled to exit mods from CAN on 2/25 (#9/21)
> 339 N405DX performed its CAF on 2/25 - delivery imminent (#5/37)

Flight/Route Changes
None

Upgrades from narrowbody fleet
2/17: JFK-SLC-JFK
2/19: SEA-HNL-SEA; MCO-ATL-MCO; ATL-FLL-ATL
2/20: SLC-PDX-SLC; SLC-MCO-SLC; ATL-SAN-ATL
2/21: JFK-SLC-JFK; LAX-DTW-LAX; ATL-MSP-ATL; ATL-LAX-ATL; ATL-LAX
2/22: JFK-SLC-JFK
2/23: LAX-MSP-LAX; ATL-SAN-ATL; SEA-HNL

Charters
2/16-18: ATL-NGU-ONT-ANC-OKO-UTP - aircraft went tech in UTP (military)
2/17-19: NKT-ANC-DNA-ANC-NKT-JFK (military)
2/17-20: DTW-ONT-MSP-HHN-KWI-HHN-DTW (military)
2/17-22: MSP-GTB-HHN-KWI-HHN-RIV-MSP-HHN-KWI-HHN-MSP (military)
2/20: UTP-NRT - rescue aircraft (military)

Noteworthy Diversions
2/22: ATL-AMS -> DUS (weather)
2/22: DTW-AMS -> FRA (weather)
2/22: GIG-JFK -> SJU (tech)
2/23: NRT-DTW -> SEA (crew?)

Flight Cancellations
None
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 10:44 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
AMS getting treated well so it seems

359 also to be deployed for DL136/137 DTW - AMS, from March 2nd.

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ight=Delta


What's noteworthy is that LHR will also see the A359 for the first time as well: DTW-LHR will use an A359 in April and for 3 weeks in May and one of the two ATL-LHR will be an A359 for 3 weeks in May.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 26, 2020 11:05 pm

panamair wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
AMS getting treated well so it seems

359 also to be deployed for DL136/137 DTW - AMS, from March 2nd.

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ight=Delta


What's noteworthy is that LHR will also see the A359 for the first time as well: DTW-LHR will use an A359 in April and for 3 weeks in May and one of the two ATL-LHR will be an A359 for 3 weeks in May.

Wow! High demand I guess?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 12:02 am

Planes don't make money when parked, and pilots will be paid either way. Look for some good deals on premium fares from non-hub cities.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:12 am

N405DX (339 #5) scheduled for delivery flight on 02/28.
Inductions from this frame onward will take place at NRT rather than MSP.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 9:17 am

NateGreat wrote:
panamair wrote:
FlyingHonu001 wrote:
AMS getting treated well so it seems

359 also to be deployed for DL136/137 DTW - AMS, from March 2nd.

Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... ight=Delta


What's noteworthy is that LHR will also see the A359 for the first time as well: DTW-LHR will use an A359 in April and for 3 weeks in May and one of the two ATL-LHR will be an A359 for 3 weeks in May.

Wow! High demand I guess?


The 359s that are now free from cancelled TPAC routes are now being rotated for TATL, not necessarily because of demand I think.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 27, 2020 7:35 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
NateGreat wrote:
panamair wrote:

What's noteworthy is that LHR will also see the A359 for the first time as well: DTW-LHR will use an A359 in April and for 3 weeks in May and one of the two ATL-LHR will be an A359 for 3 weeks in May.

Wow! High demand I guess?


The 359s that are now free from cancelled TPAC routes are now being rotated for TATL, not necessarily because of demand I think.


Yep and I see they announced yesterday that MSP-ICN is also suspended for the next couple of months. And Japan just announced that they are going to close all schools for the time being, so my guess is you are going to see HND cuts as well. My gut feeling is we really don't know what the summer widebody schedule is going to look like.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 28, 2020 9:26 am

hkcanadaexpat wrote:
N405DX (339 #5) scheduled for delivery flight on 02/28.
Inductions from this frame onward will take place at NRT rather than MSP.


Interesting! Why this change to NRT for induction? I thought DL was winding down all operations in NRT in favor of HND. TechOps still in NRT?

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