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factsonly
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 08, 2020 9:19 am

And DL continues operating ORD-FRA-ORD freighter flights:

- 8 Apr 2020: DL3341 FRA 10.53 - ORD 12.23 Boeing 777-232ER N864DA

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n864da
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 1:53 am

Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 2:14 am

ACA772LR wrote:
Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else?

No. some of the 767-300ER could be gone, the 400 fleet has a lot of life left.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 11:43 am

DL now also operating ATL-ORD-FRA-ATL B772 freighters:

- DL3339 FRA 12:55 - ATL 15:54 B777-232ER N867DA

Though this may just be to support the busy (2x daily for DL) ORD-FRA freight market.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n867da
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 09, 2020 6:59 pm

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factsonly wrote:
DL now also operating ATL-ORD-FRA-ATL B772 freighters:

- DL3339 FRA 12:55 - ATL 15:54 B777-232ER N867DA

Though this may just be to support the busy (2x daily for DL) ORD-FRA freight market.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n867da


The majority of this cargo is military mail. One flight left with over 27,000 pounds of mail last week.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 11:57 am

Some more interesting flights:

A350-900:
11 April: DL8821 ATL-ANC-UTP (U-Tapao) N513DZ
12 April: DL8823 DTW-ANC-UTP N509DN

767-300ER:
12 April: DL8835 SLC-PPG (Pago Pago) N156DL
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:24 pm

Dalmd88 wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else?

No. some of the 767-300ER could be gone, the 400 fleet has a lot of life left.


Especially because the -400ERs have just gotten a full Delta One refurbishment, the fleet as a whole is highly likely to return to service even in a deep recession. Aircraft coming up for heavy maintenance visits in the short and medium term, though, may be parked temporarily in order for Delta to conserve cash. Once the cash situation stabilizes, though, I think you will see -400ERs continue to go through HMVs. My gut tells me that no more -300ERs - and possibly no more 757s - will go through HMVs. As those aircraft run out of green time, they will be permanently retired. Again, this is only a guess and not based on any internal information.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 9:08 am

Dalmd88 wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else?

No. some of the 767-300ER could be gone, the 400 fleet has a lot of life left.

Everything is on the table, as it should be - i.e. it doesn't really matter what seats Delta "just installed" (this is an exaggeration). Again, if DL and UA decide to dump their fleets (the aircraft are essentially identical) there is a substantial business case to be made for a STC for the freighter project and FedEx would be stupid to ignore the prospect (they have a lot of jets to replace, incidentally all tri-holers, which the 764 replaced in ~2000). There are also 3 simulators to be sold across DL (1 unit) and UA (2 units). Cash is king right now, and offloading excess capacity -and- a type that is an "oddball" in a fleet that is becoming increasingly Airbus-centric makes sense *in my opinion*. The -400ER is an oddball, by every standard. Boeing and FedEx had discussions as far back as 2011 for a potential 767-400 freighter: https://cargofacts.com/allposts/news/fe ... freighter/.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:31 pm

KFTG wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
ACA772LR wrote:
Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else?

No. some of the 767-300ER could be gone, the 400 fleet has a lot of life left.

Everything is on the table, as it should be - i.e. it doesn't really matter what seats Delta "just installed" (this is an exaggeration). Again, if DL and UA decide to dump their fleets (the aircraft are essentially identical) there is a substantial business case to be made for a STC for the freighter project and FedEx would be stupid to ignore the prospect (they have a lot of jets to replace, incidentally all tri-holers, which the 764 replaced in ~2000). There are also 3 simulators to be sold across DL (1 unit) and UA (2 units). Cash is king right now, and offloading excess capacity -and- a type that is an "oddball" in a fleet that is becoming increasingly Airbus-centric makes sense *in my opinion*. The -400ER is an oddball, by every standard. Boeing and FedEx had discussions as far back as 2011 for a potential 767-400 freighter: https://cargofacts.com/allposts/news/fe ... freighter/.


Everything is not on the table. DL has nearly 60 B763, most of which are years older than the youngest B764, that would likely be retired first. DL not take delivery of the large quantity new widebodies that its peers did... the 764 are relatively “new” by DL standards.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 6:38 pm

Why did Air China get a new 767-332ER? Was that order cancelled by DL?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 12, 2020 7:19 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
Everything is not on the table.

This must be your first rodeo.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 3:09 am

UA444 wrote:
Why did Air China get a new 767-332ER? Was that order cancelled by DL?




That was built (and delivered) to DL as N179DZ (Domestic 767ER configuration). Was immediately transferred to the Chinese Government for conversion as a VIP aircraft. Supposedly had CIA listening bugs installed while being converted at San Antonio Texas.

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/04/15/us/spy-suspect-may-have-told-chinese-of-bugs-us-says.html

Rumor has it that DL used the sale/transfer of the A/C in order to get route access to China.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 4:22 am

KFTG wrote:
WidebodyPTV wrote:
Everything is not on the table.

This must be your first rodeo.


It isn’t, which is why my opinion is educated. Even if it needs the assistance of the bankrupt process, DL will survive and no, there will not be a fire sale.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 13, 2020 12:09 pm

A few interesting DL flights in/out of HNL today and tomorrow:

A350-900:
April 13 - DL8956 UTP-HNL N512DN
April 13 - DL8821 HNL-UTP N512DN
April 13 - DL8958 UTP-HNL N513DZ
April 13 - DL8823 HNL-UTP N513DZ
April 14 - DL8956 UTP-HNL
April 14 - DL8968 UTP-HNL

B767-300:
April 13 - DL8874 HNL-PPG
April 13 - DL8874 PPT-HNL
April 14 - DL8835 HNL-PPT N156DL

Would this make it the first appearance of a DL A350 to HNL?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 14, 2020 8:47 pm

Anyone know what's up with these odd A330 flights out of MSP. This is the third one I've seen with a routing like this in the last two days:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KMSP/KMSP

It is a real flight because I have seen the airplanes fly by my window. Are they doing test flights after maintenance?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 12:46 am

TW870 wrote:
Anyone know what's up with these odd A330 flights out of MSP. This is the third one I've seen with a routing like this in the last two days:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/DAL ... /KMSP/KMSP

It is a real flight because I have seen the airplanes fly by my window. Are they doing test flights after maintenance?

Most likely mtc flights. MSP does A330 C check work. Some checks might require a test flight.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 15, 2020 2:18 pm

https://news.delta.com/delta-expands-da ... s-and-asia
A350 cargo-only freighter flights DTW-ICN-PVG & LAX-ICN-PVG
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 21, 2020 7:12 am

Apr 20, 2020: DL now operating ATL-LAX-FRA-ATL:

- DL3302 LAX 14.27 - FRA 10.06 B777-232LR N709DN

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n709dn
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:39 am

hnl808 wrote:
A few interesting DL flights in/out of HNL today and tomorrow:

A350-900:
April 13 - DL8956 UTP-HNL N512DN
April 13 - DL8821 HNL-UTP N512DN
April 13 - DL8958 UTP-HNL N513DZ
April 13 - DL8823 HNL-UTP N513DZ
April 14 - DL8956 UTP-HNL
April 14 - DL8968 UTP-HNL

B767-300:
April 13 - DL8874 HNL-PPG
April 13 - DL8874 PPT-HNL
April 14 - DL8835 HNL-PPT N156DL

Would this make it the first appearance of a DL A350 to HNL?


Yes these would be the first time DL A350 flew to HNL. Those were military charter flights from UTP. They were bringing over 5k military personnel that were on a training mission with Thailand military. US military intern sought to bring back the military before the Covid-19 got any worst in that part of the world.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:11 pm

DL planning to expand/maximize cargo ops after FAA approval on WB pax aircraft.
https://news.delta.com/delta-cargo-firs ... er-cabin-0
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:19 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
DL planning to expand/maximize cargo ops after FAA approval on WB pax aircraft.
https://news.delta.com/delta-cargo-firs ... er-cabin-0


Might explain this....

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N506DN
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:36 am

May 6, 2020: Another interesting flight, this time in AA territory.

Or is this the first sign of the new DL/LATAM JV ??

- DL3301 MIA 22.18 - GRU 07.14 Airbus A330-323 N810NW

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL3301/24774723
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 1:54 pm

factsonly wrote:
May 6, 2020: Another interesting flight, this time in AA territory.

Or is this the first sign of the new DL/LATAM JV ??

- DL3301 MIA 22.18 - GRU 07.14 Airbus A330-323 N810NW

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL3301/24774723

The 33xx flight numbers have been used for special cargo routes. I wouldn't take it as a sign of anything other than an opportunity to make a few bucks flying a plane that otherwise would have been idle.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 2:34 pm

factsonly wrote:
May 6, 2020: Another interesting flight, this time in AA territory.

Or is this the first sign of the new DL/LATAM JV ??

- DL3301 MIA 22.18 - GRU 07.14 Airbus A330-323 N810NW

https://www.flightradar24.com/DAL3301/24774723


They just -- just -- applied for the JV.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 6:50 pm

Is it safe to assume, that with the current pandemic and early retirement/reduction of the 763 fleet, there'll be some sort of long term "equipment change" for TATL routes particularly in LHR in the future?

I'm particularly interested in LHR since LHR has been getting a mix of Airbus' and Boeing metal in the past few months on certain routes. Originally all LHR routes were intended to end up on the enhanced 764 as recently as the end of this month, but evidently this plan has been on hold due to the current situation. So does anyone have any clue of which aircraft will take over the LHR routes previously assigned to the 764s?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 7:28 pm

BOEING777EK wrote:
Is it safe to assume, that with the current pandemic and early retirement/reduction of the 763 fleet, there'll be some sort of long term "equipment change" for TATL routes particularly in LHR in the future?

I'm particularly interested in LHR since LHR has been getting a mix of Airbus' and Boeing metal in the past few months on certain routes. Originally all LHR routes were intended to end up on the enhanced 764 as recently as the end of this month, but evidently this plan has been on hold due to the current situation. So does anyone have any clue of which aircraft will take over the LHR routes previously assigned to the 764s?


LHR will still be a global financial hub and high yield market, even as the baseline for overall yields will be lower in the wake of this economic shock. Aircraft with the best business class hard product will thus most likely be assigned to LHR routes. The newly reconfigured 764s meet that definition, as do A330-900s once deliveries resume and more aircraft come on the property. My guess is that in the medium term once travel begins to ramp up, Delta will pull out of many of the transatlantic markets that used to be served with the -300ER, and then cover other -300ER routes with a mix of the remaining types. There is no reason to believe, though, that the original plan for the reconfigured -400ERs on London will be scrapped.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 7:48 pm

Looks like DL is operating an A350 (N513DZ) on a cargo flight (DL3305) from DTW to HKG today (8 May 2020); aircraft will then operate HKG-LAX on Sunday 10 May (also DL3305)...
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 8:10 pm

TW870 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
Is it safe to assume, that with the current pandemic and early retirement/reduction of the 763 fleet, there'll be some sort of long term "equipment change" for TATL routes particularly in LHR in the future?

I'm particularly interested in LHR since LHR has been getting a mix of Airbus' and Boeing metal in the past few months on certain routes. Originally all LHR routes were intended to end up on the enhanced 764 as recently as the end of this month, but evidently this plan has been on hold due to the current situation. So does anyone have any clue of which aircraft will take over the LHR routes previously assigned to the 764s?


LHR will still be a global financial hub and high yield market, even as the baseline for overall yields will be lower in the wake of this economic shock. Aircraft with the best business class hard product will thus most likely be assigned to LHR routes. The newly reconfigured 764s meet that definition, as do A330-900s once deliveries resume and more aircraft come on the property. My guess is that in the medium term once travel begins to ramp up, Delta will pull out of many of the transatlantic markets that used to be served with the -300ER, and then cover other -300ER routes with a mix of the remaining types. There is no reason to believe, though, that the original plan for the reconfigured -400ERs on London will be scrapped.


Isn't the 764ER a bit big for the current economic situation to be used on LHR routes? I mean shouldn't they fly the 763ER until demand picks up again, esp. for biz and first class?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 8:51 pm

Right now it really comes down to which aircraft have just come out of the heavy checks. Those are the ones that will be flying the most in the coming months.Without knowing that it is very hard to guess which will be flying what.

Another factor is cargo. There is still a cargo market. There are a bunch of cargo only flights every day. It could also influence the choice for passenger flights.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 9:05 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
KFTG wrote:
Dalmd88 wrote:
No. some of the 767-300ER could be gone, the 400 fleet has a lot of life left.

Everything is on the table, as it should be - i.e. it doesn't really matter what seats Delta "just installed" (this is an exaggeration). Again, if DL and UA decide to dump their fleets (the aircraft are essentially identical) there is a substantial business case to be made for a STC for the freighter project and FedEx would be stupid to ignore the prospect (they have a lot of jets to replace, incidentally all tri-holers, which the 764 replaced in ~2000). There are also 3 simulators to be sold across DL (1 unit) and UA (2 units). Cash is king right now, and offloading excess capacity -and- a type that is an "oddball" in a fleet that is becoming increasingly Airbus-centric makes sense *in my opinion*. The -400ER is an oddball, by every standard. Boeing and FedEx had discussions as far back as 2011 for a potential 767-400 freighter: https://cargofacts.com/allposts/news/fe ... freighter/.


Everything is not on the table. DL has nearly 60 B763, most of which are years older than the youngest B764, that would likely be retired first. DL not take delivery of the large quantity new widebodies that its peers did... the 764 are relatively “new” by DL standards.


Yep 764s aren't going anywhere, and if anything they will be all activated much sooner than anything else aside in the fleet for those DTW-LHR, JFK-LHR, ATL-LHR type of routes because of cargo, stage length and quantity of premium seating.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri May 08, 2020 11:50 pm

marcogr12 wrote:
TW870 wrote:
BOEING777EK wrote:
Is it safe to assume, that with the current pandemic and early retirement/reduction of the 763 fleet, there'll be some sort of long term "equipment change" for TATL routes particularly in LHR in the future?

I'm particularly interested in LHR since LHR has been getting a mix of Airbus' and Boeing metal in the past few months on certain routes. Originally all LHR routes were intended to end up on the enhanced 764 as recently as the end of this month, but evidently this plan has been on hold due to the current situation. So does anyone have any clue of which aircraft will take over the LHR routes previously assigned to the 764s?


LHR will still be a global financial hub and high yield market, even as the baseline for overall yields will be lower in the wake of this economic shock. Aircraft with the best business class hard product will thus most likely be assigned to LHR routes. The newly reconfigured 764s meet that definition, as do A330-900s once deliveries resume and more aircraft come on the property. My guess is that in the medium term once travel begins to ramp up, Delta will pull out of many of the transatlantic markets that used to be served with the -300ER, and then cover other -300ER routes with a mix of the remaining types. There is no reason to believe, though, that the original plan for the reconfigured -400ERs on London will be scrapped.


Isn't the 764ER a bit big for the current economic situation to be used on LHR routes? I mean shouldn't they fly the 763ER until demand picks up again, esp. for biz and first class?


The demand drop off is so giant right now that you can't mitigate it with gauge. At a 95% dropoff in boardings, you are going to take a massive bath on whatever you fly. Thus, with demand in this range they will conserve cash not flying smaller aircraft, but rather by eliminating service. As demand returns, they will add service in increments, adding in new destinations and sections out of LHR as demand warrants. The 763 business class cabin is extremely dated, whereas the 764 is very competitive. My guess is that they will add back trips with the 764 or 332 to LHR as they think demand warrants.

As other posters have said, the active fleet in the medium term will be determined by which airplanes have green time left before the next HMV. That may make for an odd fleet mix for awhile, which could impact LHR. But again, there is no incentive to put the worst product on one of the world's busiest (in context) banking markets. Expect no rules in the next 6 to 9 months, then more of a strategy emerging after that.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 3:42 am

Lootess wrote:

Yep 764s aren't going anywhere, and if anything they will be all activated much sooner than anything else aside in the fleet for those DTW-LHR, JFK-LHR, ATL-LHR type of routes because of cargo, stage length and quantity of premium seating.


I agree..we can already see this in June with the 3x weekly JFK-AMS and 3x weekly JFK-CDG they are planning so far on resuming...both are being scheduled with the 764 now (they were scheduled as A333s pre-crisis) instead of a 763 for example..
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 7:58 am

DL might be pulling some widebodies out of mothballs,
From July, operations to AMS will resume


Atlanta – Amsterdam
eff 01JUL20 Service returns to 3 daily level
01JUL20 – 07SEP20 1 daily each 777-200ER, A330-300, A350-900XWB
08SEP20 – 24OCT20 2 daily A330-300, 1 daily 777-200ER

Boston – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily each A330-300 and 767-300ER

Detroit – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service returns to 4 daily level (2 daily A350, 1 daily A330-300, 1 daily A330-200)

Los Angeles – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily 777-200ER until 07SEP20 (originally this route was scheduled with 767-300ER)

Minneapolis/St. Paul – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 3 daily (2 daily A330-300 and 1 daily A350)

New York JFK – Amsterdam
eff 03JUN20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 767-400ER (2 daily from 02JUL20)

Portland OR – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200

Salt Lake City – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily 767-300ER

Seattle – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily each A330-300 and A330-900 neo


Source: Routesonline.com
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat May 09, 2020 12:23 pm

FlyingHonu001 wrote:
DL might be pulling some widebodies out of mothballs,
From July, operations to AMS will resume


Atlanta – Amsterdam
eff 01JUL20 Service returns to 3 daily level
01JUL20 – 07SEP20 1 daily each 777-200ER, A330-300, A350-900XWB
08SEP20 – 24OCT20 2 daily A330-300, 1 daily 777-200ER

Boston – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily each A330-300 and 767-300ER

Detroit – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service returns to 4 daily level (2 daily A350, 1 daily A330-300, 1 daily A330-200)

Los Angeles – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily 777-200ER until 07SEP20 (originally this route was scheduled with 767-300ER)

Minneapolis/St. Paul – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 3 daily (2 daily A330-300 and 1 daily A350)

New York JFK – Amsterdam
eff 03JUN20 Service resumption, 3 weekly 767-400ER (2 daily from 02JUL20)

Portland OR – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily A330-200

Salt Lake City – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily 767-300ER

Seattle – Amsterdam
eff 02JUL20 Service resumption, 1 daily each A330-300 and A330-900 neo


Source: Routesonline.com


No, they haven’t touched the July schedules yet except for the seasonals that were already cancelled for the summer. They first chopped most of the seasonal summer flying starting in late May, and left the above-listed flights for June. They then chopped most of the remaining June flights and delayed them from a June 2 to a July 2 start. So all those July 2 starts are just defaults now. If the European countries do not open their borders to Americans (likely the case), I am pretty sure most will be chopped again..
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 1:45 pm

Delta is retiring their 777s by the end of this year :hissyfit: :shakehead: :frown: :crying:

https://news.delta.com/deltas-777-aircr ... d-covid-19
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 1:45 pm

What do you think will be the replacement?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 1:58 pm

No replacement needed, the 359 and 333/339 can cover all the bases for the next three years
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 3:46 pm

Delta350 wrote:
Delta is retiring their 777s by the end of this year :hissyfit: :shakehead: :frown: :crying:

https://news.delta.com/deltas-777-aircr ... d-covid-19


This is devastating news (dramatic, but true). DL kept the non-squished configuration for passenger comfort and the LRs gave them a real advantage for the route network (like JNB). Really sad to see them go.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 3:56 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Delta is retiring their 777s by the end of this year :hissyfit: :shakehead: :frown: :crying:

https://news.delta.com/deltas-777-aircr ... d-covid-19


This is devastating news (dramatic, but true). DL kept the non-squished configuration for passenger comfort and the LRs gave them a real advantage for the route network (like JNB). Really sad to see them go.


Wow - that is big and very, very bad news. That shows how long and deep they think the crisis is going to be, as they are willing to park a fleet that they had just invested a huge amount of capital in. I am less worried about what this means for specific long-haul markets. The A350 will get many more PIPs, and SYD and JNB will be workable eventually - especially given the A350's far lower fuel burn. I think the bigger takeaway, though, is that across the whole fleet, they are going to be willing to eliminate aircraft which have just come through major refurbishments. Cash conservation is, for the time being, much more important than revenue maximization.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 3:59 pm

TW870 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:
Delta350 wrote:
Delta is retiring their 777s by the end of this year :hissyfit: :shakehead: :frown: :crying:

https://news.delta.com/deltas-777-aircr ... d-covid-19


This is devastating news (dramatic, but true). DL kept the non-squished configuration for passenger comfort and the LRs gave them a real advantage for the route network (like JNB). Really sad to see them go.


Wow - that is big and very, very bad news. That shows how long and deep they think the crisis is going to be, as they are willing to park a fleet that they had just invested a huge amount of capital in. I am less worried about what this means for specific long-haul markets. The A350 will get many more PIPs, and SYD and JNB will be workable eventually - especially given the A350's far lower fuel burn. I think the bigger takeaway, though, is that across the whole fleet, they are going to be willing to eliminate aircraft which have just come through major refurbishments. Cash conservation is, for the time being, much more important than revenue maximization.

Nobody ever sits at the table and says “we just put new seats in”. 747 has refurbs and went, Mesaba repainted the SF-340 and they went fast after. Peanuts compared to the actual cost of a fleet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 4:39 pm

Well, let’s hope that after this year, the A350s will operate SYD, JNB, and BOM.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 14, 2020 6:13 pm

TonyClifton wrote:
TW870 wrote:
jbs2886 wrote:

This is devastating news (dramatic, but true). DL kept the non-squished configuration for passenger comfort and the LRs gave them a real advantage for the route network (like JNB). Really sad to see them go.


Wow - that is big and very, very bad news. That shows how long and deep they think the crisis is going to be, as they are willing to park a fleet that they had just invested a huge amount of capital in. I am less worried about what this means for specific long-haul markets. The A350 will get many more PIPs, and SYD and JNB will be workable eventually - especially given the A350's far lower fuel burn. I think the bigger takeaway, though, is that across the whole fleet, they are going to be willing to eliminate aircraft which have just come through major refurbishments. Cash conservation is, for the time being, much more important than revenue maximization.

Nobody ever sits at the table and says “we just put new seats in”. 747 has refurbs and went, Mesaba repainted the SF-340 and they went fast after. Peanuts compared to the actual cost of a fleet.


Right but, as you say, they are thinking about this in terms of the "cost of a fleet" rather than about a recovery in which they would stake out marketshare with their premium longhaul product. We spent two years seeing how Delta used premium products - 777 and A350 interiors among many - to generate a significant revenue advantage over their peers. I think this announcement shows how long and deep the recovery be, as they are fleet planning more in terms of cash conservation than revenue generation over the medium term.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 9:01 am

May 17, 2020: Delta is operating at least 2x A332 on behalf of the US military = USA - SOF to the Middle East:

- CMB591 Delta Air Lines SOF 08:10 - XXX A330-223 N860NW
- CMB589 Delta Air Lines JFK 20:50 - SOF A330-223 N861NW

https://www.flightradar24.com/CMB591/24838857
https://www.flightradar24.com/CMB589/24836076
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 8:05 pm

May 17, 2020: Also DL B763 operating for the US Military:

- CMB501 Delta Air Lines KWI 21:51 - XXX B767-3P6ER N154DL

https://www.flightradar24.com/CMB501/248463f7
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun May 17, 2020 8:47 pm

ACA772LR wrote:
Are the 764s being retired? Or is it up in the air like everything else?


They’ll need the 400 for Hawaii and LAX-SFO and the like.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 21, 2020 3:38 pm

May 21, 2020: Delta continues to operate USA - Sofia - UAE for the US Military, now the A339 is also involved:

- 22 May 2020 MUO - SEA DL8820 A339 N402DX Scheduled
- 21 May 2020 MSP - Mountain Home (MUO) DL8958 A339 N402DX Scheduled
- 21 May 2020 SOF - MSP CMB549 DL A339 N402DX in the air
- 21 May 2020 DHF - SOF CMB549 DL A339 N402DX landed
- 20 May 2020 SOF - DHF CMB549 DL A339 N402DX landed
- 20 May 2020 BGR - SOF CMB549 DL A339 N402DX landed
- 19 May 2020 HIF - BGR DL8956 DL A339 N402DX landed
- 19 May 2020 SEA - HIF (Ogden) DL8820 A339 N402DX landed

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n402dx
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 7:19 pm

Does anyone know the latest on new aircraft deliveries due to the need to conserve cash? The AIB site says that N406DX, an A330-900, had its customer acceptance flight a week ago. 407DX will also be ready to go soon, as will 514DN in the A350 fleet and 132DU, 133DU, and 134DU in the A220 fleet. I know that Delta had stopped all deliveries to conserve cash. Does this mean that these airplanes will be stored pending resumption of deliveries? Given the 777 decision, I assume that Delta is going to take all of these new widebodies. I am just not sure when, or how this will work with the lenders, etc.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 10:20 pm

TW870 wrote:
Does anyone know the latest on new aircraft deliveries due to the need to conserve cash? The AIB site says that N406DX, an A330-900, had its customer acceptance flight a week ago. 407DX will also be ready to go soon, as will 514DN in the A350 fleet and 132DU, 133DU, and 134DU in the A220 fleet. I know that Delta had stopped all deliveries to conserve cash. Does this mean that these airplanes will be stored pending resumption of deliveries? Given the 777 decision, I assume that Delta is going to take all of these new widebodies. I am just not sure when, or how this will work with the lenders, etc.


DL was paying cash outright for new deliveries, but I'm thinking they're trying to line up some financing. OTOH, they have also said they aren't taking delivery of any new planes until further notice.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 2:56 am

[threeid] 20[/threeid]Just saw this on skyliner-aviation.net:

Airbus A350 -941 64 A7-AMB Qatar Airways ferried 22 May 2020 DOH-CNF, for Delta Air Lines 3Q 2020, ex PR-XTF
Airbus A350 -941 79 A7-AMA Qatar Airways ferried 25 May 2020 DOH-CNF, for Delta Air Lines 3Q 2020, ex PR-XTG
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 3:02 am

audidudi wrote:
[threeid] 20[/threeid]Just saw this on skyliner-aviation.net:

Airbus A350 -941 64 A7-AMB Qatar Airways ferried 22 May 2020 DOH-CNF, for Delta Air Lines 3Q 2020, ex PR-XTF
Airbus A350 -941 79 A7-AMA Qatar Airways ferried 25 May 2020 DOH-CNF, for Delta Air Lines 3Q 2020, ex PR-XTG


Except those were just cancelled (ex-LATAM). Interesting though.
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