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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 27, 2020 6:52 pm

Has anyone seen the new route DL 1998 From MCO to ATL and vice-versa in the 763er in October. What is the purpose of these flights at this time?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 5:16 am

DL763er wrote:
Has anyone seen the new route DL 1998 From MCO to ATL and vice-versa in the 763er in October. What is the purpose of these flights at this time?


Network must be seeing some demand increase I would assume. Florida is fully opening back up which probably is going to increase the amount of people wanting to get there.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:27 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Updates notes/commentary. Feel free to respond accordingly.

B763:
YE2019: 56
Current: 17 in-service, 37 in temp storage
Commentary: 7 announced to be retired in 2020. Per 8-K filing on 9/25 they intend to retire all B763s by December 2025.

Speculation/Opinion: This fleet is likely to continue to see accelerated retirements depending on trajectory of international demand recovery. There is a whole swath of frames that would be approaching their last HMV that are likely candidates for early retirement, in addition to frames that were already scheduled to retire over the next 2 years. With the backlog of A339 orders this was inevitable, and realistically a 2025 retirement date is maybe only 1-2 years earlier than anticipated pre-Covid.
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I believe the 7announced 763s are the youngest . . onward sale seems quite probable.
But if this is what DL wants to do, why not sell all the 763s that can be sold and live with the consequences?

Also, removing 56 (plus 18 777s) in such a short timeframe suggests international flying going forward will be about half what it was in 2019 . . wow
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 2:38 pm

jagraham wrote:

Also, removing 56 (plus 18 777s) in such a short timeframe suggests international flying going forward will be about half what it was in 2019 . . wow


Well, no: they're going to be receiving some A350s and A330neos, but negotiations are underway to determine how many and when.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:22 pm

FlyGuyNash wrote:
DL763er wrote:
Has anyone seen the new route DL 1998 From MCO to ATL and vice-versa in the 763er in October. What is the purpose of these flights at this time?


Network must be seeing some demand increase I would assume. Florida is fully opening back up which probably is going to increase the amount of people wanting to get there.


I doubt it's due to demand. The 763 is a premium heavy aircraft; business travelers (whose revenues would normally justify the increased cost) are virtually non-existent and DL won't be even close to fully utilizing its 752 and 753 fleets, which would provide a similar boost in demand for far less cost I suspect there's an internal reason(s) (e.g. utilization, crew hours/training/needs, etc.).

Florida's decision to fully re-open isn't likely to make a material difference in traffic in the short-term -- as it is, few people are traveling yielding oodles of capacity for additional tourism. In other words, tourist attractions, restaurants, hotels, etc. are hurting to attract travelers, not turning people away. Not to mention that most tourist attractions, restaurants, etc. aren't going to fully re-open just because they can, when the lion's share of the public is reluctant to travel due to perceived safety concerns.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 3:44 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
jagraham wrote:

Also, removing 56 (plus 18 777s) in such a short timeframe suggests international flying going forward will be about half what it was in 2019 . . wow


Well, no: they're going to be receiving some A350s and A330neos, but negotiations are underway to determine how many and when.


DL will receive some widebodies by 2025. But not 74 of them. Not even close.
The retirement schedule is indicative of a major cut in international flying.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:00 pm

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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:04 pm

jagraham wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jagraham wrote:

Also, removing 56 (plus 18 777s) in such a short timeframe suggests international flying going forward will be about half what it was in 2019 . . wow


Well, no: they're going to be receiving some A350s and A330neos, but negotiations are underway to determine how many and when.


DL will receive some widebodies by 2025. But not 74 of them. Not even close.
The retirement schedule is indicative of a major cut in international flying.



Also, Delta sees the writing on the wall when it comes to the A321XLR utilization by low-cost carriers crossing the Atlantic. Delta can very well order this aircraft on-the-fly to aide in capacity replacement, especially since American and United have jumped on the bandwagon.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:24 pm

Delta intends on retiring all these aircraft but they now consist of active and storage. When considering the active currently utilized, the replacement proposition is not all that daunting, especially if demand remains low up to 2025, at which time they can go full throttle with new orders to augment growth.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:25 pm

My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:31 pm

ehaase wrote:
My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.



The 321XLR would work out of Detroit as well Delta's second largest hub. Back in the day NW used the 757 on DTW-LGW/AMS/BRU/DUS/FRA.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 7:36 pm

klm617 wrote:
ehaase wrote:
My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.



The 321XLR would work out of Detroit as well Delta's second largest hub. Back in the day NW used the 757 on DTW-LGW/AMS/BRU/DUS/FRA.



And who says the 321XLR would only be relegated to secondary markets (?) I can see frequency adds to major markets as well, especially with a hard-to-gauge demand recovery.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:22 pm

TYWoolman wrote:
klm617 wrote:
ehaase wrote:
My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.



The 321XLR would work out of Detroit as well Delta's second largest hub. Back in the day NW used the 757 on DTW-LGW/AMS/BRU/DUS/FRA.



And who says the 321XLR would only be relegated to secondary markets (?) I can see frequency adds to major markets as well, especially with a hard-to-gauge demand recovery.


Exactly it's a chance to start splitting their capacity and dividing it more evenly around the network. Send the widebody airbuses to ATL and JFK and start opening up some routes out of Detroit with the 321LR like MAN and DUB to start.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:50 pm

They just cancelled my BCN-JFK non-stop flight for March. Rebooked me on an AF flight through CDG, that they say I will not make my connection, so please call. Not looking forward to this call :(
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 8:54 pm

TYWoolman wrote:
Delta intends on retiring all these aircraft but they now consist of active and storage. When considering the active currently utilized, the replacement proposition is not all that daunting, especially if demand remains low up to 2025, at which time they can go full throttle with new orders to augment growth.

Exactly.

Let's take a look at rough estimates:
DL is indicated they are looking at ~70% of pre-COVID for peak summer 2021. This probably means more like 50-60% of international and 70%-80% of domestic.
International demand recovery is going to lag domestic demand recovery.

Summer 2019, DL had ~150 widebody aircraft in service/available:
56 B763
21 B764
18 B77E/L
11 A332
28 A333
3 A339
13 A359
---
150

Summer 2021, DL will have 129 aircraft available (based on known/announced retirements, deliveries), actually could vary based on any further 2021 deliveries or retirement)
49 B763 (-7)
21 B764
0 B77E/L (-18)
11 A332
28 A333
5 A339 (+2)
15 A359 (+2)
---
129

Even with 129 aircraft available, the flying at the levels forecasted and routes that are either planned or suspended, they will probably need maybe ~100 widebodies in-service, and still have ~30 in storage for next summer. Probably looking at having 5-7 B764, 10-12 A330, 10-12 B763 in storage still next summer.

If you extrapolate that you, that looks something like:
S21 100 frames
S22 115 frames
S23 130 frames
S24 145 frames
S25 160 frames
S26 TBD

Thus you are going to have B763 being retired in increments over the next 5 years, probably at the rate of 10-15/year through 2025 as they time out. It may not be straight-line that they come out, all depending on demand recovery and A339 and A350 delivery timing. Granted, its nothing will be linear, but there are probably only so many routes & frequencies that are going to return in a given year/season.
Absolute earliest possible time they could even project needing 150 frames (pre Covid fleet size) would maybe be Summer 2024 if everything went right and demand/economy came roaring back.
Realistically its probably 2025-2026+ timeframe. There are a lot of "levers" that could be pulled in the interim to get capacity if needed.

It will be interesting to see how many B763s are reactivated that have green time, versus ones that are just retired as they reach a maintenance interval, versus how long some A330s remain in storage.
They could "burn cycles" on the B763 to avoid HMVs on A330s to the extent possible.

The issue isn't going to be a lack of aircraft, its the demand curve recovery.

DL has the following on order:
A339 31
A359 14
Total: 45

That there is enough to cover the B763 & B777 retirements along with demand recovery and some growth over the next 5 years. They do not need to place any incremental orders, with deliveries until at least 2026-2027 timeframe, when they are at a point to thing about the B764 replacement. The current order backlog more than covers any needs for the next 6-7+ years.

Looking at the math above, I think the A332, A333, and B764 early retirements are unlikely.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:11 pm

klm617 wrote:
ehaase wrote:
My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.



The 321XLR would work out of Detroit as well Delta's second largest hub. Back in the day NW used the 757 on DTW-LGW/AMS/BRU/DUS/FRA.


Some of those 757 routes out of DTW were killed within weeks. I don't believe any of them lasted 24 months. It was epic failure.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:12 pm

jagraham wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
jagraham wrote:

Also, removing 56 (plus 18 777s) in such a short timeframe suggests international flying going forward will be about half what it was in 2019 . . wow


Well, no: they're going to be receiving some A350s and A330neos, but negotiations are underway to determine how many and when.


DL will receive some widebodies by 2025. But not 74 of them. Not even close.
The retirement schedule is indicative of a major cut in international flying.

I think there will be a cut. I'm not the guy arguing that frame retirements cuts international flying in half.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:21 pm

TYWoolman wrote:
klm617 wrote:
ehaase wrote:
My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.



The 321XLR would work out of Detroit as well Delta's second largest hub. Back in the day NW used the 757 on DTW-LGW/AMS/BRU/DUS/FRA.



And who says the 321XLR would only be relegated to secondary markets (?) I can see frequency adds to major markets as well, especially with a hard-to-gauge demand recovery.


There aren't that many TATL airport pairs that would really benefit from increased frequency. Maybe JFK-LHR and BOS-LHR as business markets where travelers have somebody else paying for their ticket and time.. Hub to hub like DTW-AMS and ATL-CDG already get multiple. A lot of routes have just been 1x, with gauge varying with season.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:25 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
klm617 wrote:
ehaase wrote:
My understanding, based upon a response here to a question I asked several months ago, is that the 321XLR wouldn't work for trans-Atlantic flights out of Atlanta, but would work quite well for secondary markets out of NYC and Boston. .

Also I don't understand why some think Delta will order the 788 or 338. My understanding is that the 2014 widebody order was for replacements for 767-300's and 747's, and Delta chose the 339 and 359,. If having an aircraft roughly the size of the 767 was a priority for Delta, it would have ordered 788's or 338's back in 2014.



The 321XLR would work out of Detroit as well Delta's second largest hub. Back in the day NW used the 757 on DTW-LGW/AMS/BRU/DUS/FRA.


Some of those 757 routes out of DTW were killed within weeks. I don't believe any of them lasted 24 months. It was epic failure.


The main reason was because of the economic downturn in 2009 and the 757 pilot problem at that time so to say they were a failure would not be fare they didn't have a chance to mature. Again that was 13 years ago as well and a lot has changed since then.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:37 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
TYWoolman wrote:
Delta intends on retiring all these aircraft but they now consist of active and storage. When considering the active currently utilized, the replacement proposition is not all that daunting, especially if demand remains low up to 2025, at which time they can go full throttle with new orders to augment growth.

Exactly.

Let's take a look at rough estimates:
DL is indicated they are looking at ~70% of pre-COVID for peak summer 2021. This probably means more like 50-60% of international and 70%-80% of domestic.
International demand recovery is going to lag domestic demand recovery.

Summer 2019, DL had ~150 widebody aircraft in service/available:
56 B763
21 B764
18 B77E/L
11 A332
28 A333
3 A339
13 A359
---
150

Summer 2021, DL will have 129 aircraft available (based on known/announced retirements, deliveries), actually could vary based on any further 2021 deliveries or retirement)
49 B763 (-7)
21 B764
0 B77E/L (-18)
11 A332
28 A333
5 A339 (+2)
15 A359 (+2)
---
129

Even with 129 aircraft available, the flying at the levels forecasted and routes that are either planned or suspended, they will probably need maybe ~100 widebodies in-service, and still have ~30 in storage for next summer. Probably looking at having 5-7 B764, 10-12 A330, 10-12 B763 in storage still next summer.

If you extrapolate that you, that looks something like:
S21 100 frames
S22 115 frames
S23 130 frames
S24 145 frames
S25 160 frames
S26 TBD

Thus you are going to have B763 being retired in increments over the next 5 years, probably at the rate of 10-15/year through 2025 as they time out. It may not be straight-line that they come out, all depending on demand recovery and A339 and A350 delivery timing. Granted, its nothing will be linear, but there are probably only so many routes & frequencies that are going to return in a given year/season.
Absolute earliest possible time they could even project needing 150 frames (pre Covid fleet size) would maybe be Summer 2024 if everything went right and demand/economy came roaring back.
Realistically its probably 2025-2026+ timeframe. There are a lot of "levers" that could be pulled in the interim to get capacity if needed.

It will be interesting to see how many B763s are reactivated that have green time, versus ones that are just retired as they reach a maintenance interval, versus how long some A330s remain in storage.
They could "burn cycles" on the B763 to avoid HMVs on A330s to the extent possible.

The issue isn't going to be a lack of aircraft, its the demand curve recovery.

DL has the following on order:
A339 31
A359 14
Total: 45

That there is enough to cover the B763 & B777 retirements along with demand recovery and some growth over the next 5 years. They do not need to place any incremental orders, with deliveries until at least 2026-2027 timeframe, when they are at a point to thing about the B764 replacement. The current order backlog more than covers any needs for the next 6-7+ years.

Looking at the math above, I think the A332, A333, and B764 early retirements are unlikely.


Two small points:
- the A333 fleet is at 31 (not 28) in total (N801NW-N831NW)
- the A339 fleet should be at 7 at least by S21 (counting both N406DX and N407DX that were recently delivered to AMS to sit).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Sep 28, 2020 9:41 pm

Thanks I was going pretty fast and back of the envelope. I'd forgotten the A339 fleet was up to 7 now.

Basic round numbers and assumptions still apply
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:14 pm

WidebodyPTV wrote:
FlyGuyNash wrote:
DL763er wrote:
Has anyone seen the new route DL 1998 From MCO to ATL and vice-versa in the 763er in October. What is the purpose of these flights at this time?


Network must be seeing some demand increase I would assume. Florida is fully opening back up which probably is going to increase the amount of people wanting to get there.


I doubt it's due to demand. The 763 is a premium heavy aircraft; business travelers (whose revenues would normally justify the increased cost) are virtually non-existent and DL won't be even close to fully utilizing its 752 and 753 fleets, which would provide a similar boost in demand for far less cost I suspect there's an internal reason(s) (e.g. utilization, crew hours/training/needs, etc.).

Florida's decision to fully re-open isn't likely to make a material difference in traffic in the short-term -- as it is, few people are traveling yielding oodles of capacity for additional tourism. In other words, tourist attractions, restaurants, hotels, etc. are hurting to attract travelers, not turning people away. Not to mention that most tourist attractions, restaurants, etc. aren't going to fully re-open just because they can, when the lion's share of the public is reluctant to travel due to perceived safety concerns.

This is only for the month of October and ends the 31st similar things like this have happened for MCO but normally in early spring so I'm not sure if they want to try like how they have it for SLC having 1 767 flight a day and the rest with 757s.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:22 pm

DL has 3 B763ER ferry flights scheduled for Wed 9/30 LAX-SBD, assume for storage.
Haven't looked up the tail numbers yet.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 29, 2020 11:25 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
DL has 3 B763ER ferry flights scheduled for Wed 9/30 LAX-SBD, assume for storage.
Haven't looked up the tail numbers yet.


Appears that the third may have been cancelled. The first two are N179DN (a 76L ship 179) and the other is N152DL (an ex-Gulf 76Z, ship 1502).
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:12 am

WidebodyPTV wrote:
FlyGuyNash wrote:
DL763er wrote:
Has anyone seen the new route DL 1998 From MCO to ATL and vice-versa in the 763er in October. What is the purpose of these flights at this time?


Network must be seeing some demand increase I would assume. Florida is fully opening back up which probably is going to increase the amount of people wanting to get there.


[snip]

Florida's decision to fully re-open isn't likely to make a material difference in traffic in the short-term -- as it is, few people are traveling yielding oodles of capacity for additional tourism. In other words, tourist attractions, restaurants, hotels, etc. are hurting to attract travelers, not turning people away. Not to mention that most tourist attractions, restaurants, etc. aren't going to fully re-open just because they can, when the lion's share of the public is reluctant to travel due to perceived safety concerns.

Also, local ordinances can still require the likes of social distancing, wearing masks, restrictions on bars/hotels and other businesses, etc. That is, if a state does not use any authority over cities/counties. For example, the governor of Georgia overruled several cities earlier this year changing mandatory mask wearing to encouraging but not requiring facial covering.

Anyway, areas in the USA (and other countries) that reopened too much too quickly later had to scale down again when new COVID-19 rates went back through the roof. We humans may get tired of COVID-19, but it can be said COVID-19 doesn't get tired of us (I wish I could remember the public health official who said this in order to credit him/her). I want to see the airlines bounce back like anyone else; I hope in a few weeks to finally take the trip on DL I originally planned to do last April. But it's concerning that places trying to prematurely return to normal could only hurt airlines and other aspects of the economy even more than they've been crippled already.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 4:14 am

Widebody update for the week:

Actual:
Wed 9/30 B763 ILN-ATL 1701 N171DZ (storage exit)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 179 N179DN (storage - retirement?)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 1502 N152DL (storage - retirement?)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 175 N175DN (storage - retirement?)

Planned:
Thu 9/30 B763 ILN-ATL 1602 N1602 (storage exit)

(regarding B763, I think this brings the total now to 5 of the 7 to be retired in 2020)
1504 & 1506 were previously send to SBD in August, plus the 3 additional today
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 5:55 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Widebody update for the week:

Actual:
Wed 9/30 B763 ILN-ATL 1701 N171DZ (storage exit)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 179 N179DN (storage - retirement?)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 1502 N152DL (storage - retirement?)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 175 N175DN (storage - retirement?)

Planned:
Thu 9/30 B763 ILN-ATL 1602 N1602 (storage exit)

(regarding B763, I think this brings the total now to 5 of the 7 to be retired in 2020)
1504 & 1506 were previously send to SBD in August, plus the 3 additional today


You have to take into account 1607-1613 already WFU. Those were your 7 frames. It's unclear as to whether the ones just parked will be reactivated or not.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:03 am

I wouldn't be surprised if we hear as a part of the Q3 earnings release that there are additional 763 retirements announced this year in light of the 2025 announcement and recent fleet actions.

With 175, 179, and 1502 now parked. all the pre-1992 / 28 year builds are parked.

181 / N181DN is now the oldest 763 in active service
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 6:53 am

September 30th / Oct 1st, 2020:

- DL8956 ELP - RIV - AMS - KWI B772 N864DA Diverted to MSP
- DL8956 MSP - AMS - KWI - DXB B772 N864DA en-route

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n864da
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 2:11 pm

Interesting that all the 76L's are now stored / potentially being retired - guess that makes sense given their lower density.

1601 re-entered service this morning after exiting ILN last week: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n169dz
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 01, 2020 8:50 pm

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Interesting that all the 76L's are now stored / potentially being retired - guess that makes sense given their lower density.

1601 re-entered service this morning after exiting ILN last week: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n169dz


So are all the 76Ls and 76Ts now retired or on the way out? Is DL down to just one 763 subfleet (the 76Zs) or are there still a few others around?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 1:09 am

FSDan wrote:
n515cr wrote:
Interesting that all the 76L's are now stored / potentially being retired - guess that makes sense given their lower density.

1601 re-entered service this morning after exiting ILN last week: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n169dz


So are all the 76Ls and 76Ts now retired or on the way out? Is DL down to just one 763 subfleet (the 76Zs) or are there still a few others around?


Great question. Both subfleets are 100% inactive/stored at the moment. It would certainly align with the general trend of fleet simplification alongside the 2025 announcement. Someone more in-the-know may end up advising here, so I guess we'll see.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 02, 2020 8:00 pm

factsonly wrote:
September 30th / Oct 1st, 2020:

- DL8956 ELP - RIV - AMS - KWI B772 N864DA Diverted to MSP
- DL8956 MSP - AMS - KWI - DXB B772 N864DA en-route

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n864da


N864DA getting ready for DL8958 homebound

https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-d ... 1045632965
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 04, 2020 11:37 pm

N860DA taking the Chargers home from Tampa and N864DA taking the Seahawks home from Miami today, and then they're both headed to VCV for retirement tomorrow. Didn't ever think I'd see a 777 doing it's final flight as an NFL charter but here we are.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 05, 2020 1:53 am

Wasn’t one of the final 747 flights also an NFL charter?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 3:17 am

Widebody recap:

Last week - actual
Wed 9/30 B763 ILN-ATL 1701 N171DZ (storage exit)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 179 N179DN (storage - retirement?)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 1502 N152DL (storage - retirement?)
Wed 9/30 B763 LAX-SBD 175 N175DN (storage - retirement?)
Thu 9/30 B763 ILN-ATL 1602 N1602 (storage exit)

This week - actual
Mon 10/5 B772 SEA-VCV N864DA (retirement-storage)
Mon 10/5 B772 LAX-VCV N860DA (retirement-storage)

This week - planned:
TBD

777 fleet:
3 of 8 77E remain active, not yet in storage: 7003 / N862DA, 7007 / N866DA, 7008 / N867DA; none in scheduled service only for cargo, sports, & military charter
5 of 10 77L remain active, not yet in storage 7101 / N701DN, 7102 / N702DN, 7103 / N703DN, 7108 / N708DN, 7109 / N709DN; only remaining scheduled route is LAX-SYD others are cargo, sports, & military charter
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 6:17 pm

The final Delta B777 flights:
2 special domestic flights have been added at the end of October and should be the final 777 flights before the final aircraft are put into storage.

Fri 10/30/20:
DL 8787 ATL-LAX 77L Depart 3:00pm Arrive 4:30pm

Sat 10/31/20:
DL 8807 JFK-LAX 77L Depart 1:00pm Arrive 4:00pm
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 06, 2020 8:00 pm

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
The final Delta B777 flights:
2 special domestic flights have been added at the end of October and should be the final 777 flights before the final aircraft are put into storage.

Fri 10/30/20:
DL 8787 ATL-LAX 77L Depart 3:00pm Arrive 4:30pm

Sat 10/31/20:
DL 8807 JFK-LAX 77L Depart 1:00pm Arrive 4:00pm

Can anyone confirm that these will indeed be the final flights?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 9:49 pm

The one A339 stored at BHM will be headed to LAX tomorrow to reenter service. N401DZ as DL9961. Furthermore, N830MH, a B764 in the old configuration, will be headed to ATL on Friday as DL9962. Will be curious to see what they do with that one, as the other 764 that left BHM went to CAN for what I presume to be mod to new configuration
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:14 pm

gdavis003 wrote:
The one A339 stored at BHM will be headed to LAX tomorrow to reenter service. N401DZ as DL9961. Furthermore, N830MH, a B764 in the old configuration, will be headed to ATL on Friday as DL9962. Will be curious to see what they do with that one, as the other 764 that left BHM went to CAN for what I presume to be mod to new configuration

DL9962 will be heading to DTW after a stop in ATL. In the past the CAN routings have departed via DTW, so I would not be surprised if we see a flight plan filed for Asia for Saturday.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Wed Oct 07, 2020 10:19 pm

deltaguy767 wrote:
gdavis003 wrote:
The one A339 stored at BHM will be headed to LAX tomorrow to reenter service. N401DZ as DL9961. Furthermore, N830MH, a B764 in the old configuration, will be headed to ATL on Friday as DL9962. Will be curious to see what they do with that one, as the other 764 that left BHM went to CAN for what I presume to be mod to new configuration

DL9962 will be heading to DTW after a stop in ATL. In the past the CAN routings have departed via DTW, so I would not be surprised if we see a flight plan filed for Asia for Saturday.


That makes sense that it probably is going to CAN after the DTW stop, but wonder why it wouldn't just go BHM-DTW as opposed to BHM-ATL-DTW if there's no pax on ATL-DTW anyways. Crew issues? You would think though that whatever crew they need to get up to DTW would just nonrev (or whatever the correct technical term is) into BHM and go from there, plenty of commercial service to get directly to BHM in comparison to somewhere like VCV, MZJ, MWH, ILN or wherever else
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:02 am

It could be a combination of factors, but likely due to either crew scheduling or aircraft provisioning (e.g, equipment that was removed prior to storage).

ATL and NYC are the only 765 (764) pilot bases.
Pilots would start the trip in ATL with a deadhead to BHM and fly the aircraft back BHM-ATL. That is an easy and short rotation.
Otherwise it would a ATL-BHM (deadhead), BHM-DTW, DTW-BHM (deadhead).
It also could be a way to help keep pilot current and/or IOE.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 2:04 am

Widebody update for the week through EOD Wed:

Actual:
Mon 10/5 B772 SEA-VCV 7005 N864DA (retirement-storage)
Mon 10/5 B772 LAX-VCV 7001 N860DA (retirement-storage)

Planned:
Thu 10/8 A339 BHM-LAX 3401 N401DZ (storage exit)

Fri 10/9 A333 MZJ-PHX-SAL 3315 N815NW (storage exit to maintenance)
Fri 10/9 B764 BHM-ATL-DTW 1806 N830MH (storage exit, going to mod?)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:09 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
It could be a combination of factors, but likely due to either crew scheduling or aircraft provisioning (e.g, equipment that was removed prior to storage).

ATL and NYC are the only 765 (764) pilot bases.
Pilots would start the trip in ATL with a deadhead to BHM and fly the aircraft back BHM-ATL. That is an easy and short rotation.
Otherwise it would a ATL-BHM (deadhead), BHM-DTW, DTW-BHM (deadhead).
It also could be a way to help keep pilot current and/or IOE.


I think it’s because maintenance has to do inspections/service prior to the aircraft being able to go across an ocean or into revenue service. It could ferry to DTW but I believe they might have it ferry ATL-SEA-NRT
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 08, 2020 11:09 am

Its already scheduled BHM-ATL-DTW and yes the last one to go CAN went BHM-ATL-DTW-SEA-ICN-CAN
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 2:51 am

I noticed an A350 going ATL-SEA next Tuesday on the schedule, flight 482. Any insights on why there’s a random domestic 350 scheduled on a Tuesday night? Repositioning?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:20 pm

DL sending some 763's across the pond for TATL duty later this month?

Minneapolis/St. Paul – Amsterdam eff 25OCT20 Service resumption, 4 weekly 767-300ER...(1 daily from 19DEC20)...


Source: https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-04oct20/
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 10, 2020 4:49 pm

wanderingalexx wrote:
I noticed an A350 going ATL-SEA next Tuesday on the schedule, flight 482. Any insights on why there’s a random domestic 350 scheduled on a Tuesday night? Repositioning?


They currently schedule an A350 every Tuesday ATL-SEA. It is repositioning to fly SEA-ICN-PVG.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:09 am

Widebody recap / update:

Last week actual:
Mon 10/5 B77E SEA-VCV 7005 N864DA (retirement-storage)
Mon 10/5 B77E LAX-VCV 7001 N860DA (retirement-storage)
Thu 10/8 A339 BHM-LAX 3401 N401DZ (storage exit)
Fri 10/9 A333 MZJ-PHX-SAL 3315 N815NW (storage exit to maintenance)
Fri 10/9 B764 BHM-ATL-DTW 1806 N830MH (storage exit, going to mod?)
Sat 10/10 A333 SAL-ATL 3314 N814NW (maintenance exit from storage, ferried MZJ-PHX-SAL 9/8)

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This week:

Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 3:26 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Widebody recap / update:

Last week actual:
Mon 10/5 B77E SEA-VCV 7005 N864DA (retirement-storage)
Mon 10/5 B77E LAX-VCV 7001 N860DA (retirement-storage)
Thu 10/8 A339 BHM-LAX 3401 N401DZ (storage exit)
Fri 10/9 A333 MZJ-PHX-SAL 3315 N815NW (storage exit to maintenance)
Fri 10/9 B764 BHM-ATL-DTW 1806 N830MH (storage exit, going to mod?)
Sat 10/10 A333 SAL-ATL 3314 N814NW (maintenance exit from storage, ferried MZJ-PHX-SAL 9/8)

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This week:

Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)


Looks like N401DZ took the Chargers to New Orleans this evening to play the Saints tomorrow night. Makes more sense now as to why it ferried out to LAX

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