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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 9:43 am

While I understand this would be a total long shot, do you suppose there is any chance Delta might buy/lease United's 16 B-767-400ER aircraft as a way to replace some older B-767-300ERs now and bridge an eventual purchase of new long haul aircraft closer to the 2030 time frame?

Not that Delta would want to spend the cash now, but if they could get them for a good price, maybe it would make sense. It's not like United is likely to get top dollar for them selling them to someone else or scrapping them given their status as niche aircraft.

Perhaps Delta could sell some additional B-767-300ERs for freighter conversion, while I doubt the UA B-767-400ERs are suitable for conversion to freighters.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 10:38 am

I'm just curious if the moderators or anyone here knows what happened to A.netter hkcanadaexpat? He started this thread topic and for many years provided key updates to this thread topic that only an insider would know. He disappeared back in April..I wonder if he took early retirement from Delta??
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 1:23 pm

KARELXWB is another knowledgeable poster that haven't been seen in ages

crownvic wrote:
I'm just curious if the moderators or anyone here knows what happened to A.netter hkcanadaexpat? He started this thread topic and for many years provided key updates to this thread topic that only an insider would know. He disappeared back in April..I wonder if he took early retirement from Delta??
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 2:30 pm

DL loaded A333's on flights from SLC, JFK, ATL to CUN for the winter.

DTW & MSP remain a mix of 738, 739, 757
ATL sees a mix of 757 & 333
JFK sees a mix of 739, 757, 333
SLC is 333
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:14 pm

I might have guessed a DL widebody on SLC-SJD before CUN, but go for it. One can wonder where all the 753s will be used in January.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 12, 2020 7:55 pm

Can't tell out in to Jan yet as much of it is still a default schedule.

However in Dec, the 753s are being used extensively the usual, following markets:

DTW / MSP / ATL - MCO, FLL, LAX, SEA, SFO, LAS
In between DTW, ATL, MSP, SLC
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 12:47 am

Anyone know anything about these weird 77L trips from LAX to OAK after the LAX-SYD flights that N702DN has been doing? Has happened twice. 88** is usually a charter flight, but there's no sports team that would be doing that charter these days. Can't seem to figure out what it is. Anyone have any clue?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N70 ... /KLAX/KOAK
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:08 am

Charters to get and return Oakland A's to LAX for MLB playoffs vs Houston Astros.

gdavis003 wrote:
Anyone know anything about these weird 77L trips from LAX to OAK after the LAX-SYD flights that N702DN has been doing? Has happened twice. 88** is usually a charter flight, but there's no sports team that would be doing that charter these days. Can't seem to figure out what it is. Anyone have any clue?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N70 ... /KLAX/KOAK
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 4:54 am

n7371f wrote:
Charters to get and return Oakland A's to LAX for MLB playoffs vs Houston Astros.

gdavis003 wrote:
Anyone know anything about these weird 77L trips from LAX to OAK after the LAX-SYD flights that N702DN has been doing? Has happened twice. 88** is usually a charter flight, but there's no sports team that would be doing that charter these days. Can't seem to figure out what it is. Anyone have any clue?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N70 ... /KLAX/KOAK


That’s what it is. Thanks. Can’t believe that wasn’t even a thought for me. Didn’t even come to my head because Oakland usually flies on one of Mark Cubans planes but they’ve upgauged for postseason
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 13, 2020 10:36 am

gdavis003 wrote:
n7371f wrote:
Charters to get and return Oakland A's to LAX for MLB playoffs vs Houston Astros.

gdavis003 wrote:
Anyone know anything about these weird 77L trips from LAX to OAK after the LAX-SYD flights that N702DN has been doing? Has happened twice. 88** is usually a charter flight, but there's no sports team that would be doing that charter these days. Can't seem to figure out what it is. Anyone have any clue?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N70 ... /KLAX/KOAK


That’s what it is. Thanks. Can’t believe that wasn’t even a thought for me. Didn’t even come to my head because Oakland usually flies on one of Mark Cubans planes but they’ve upgauged for postseason

Family was also invited to come for playoff games, so they needed the bigger planes. The whole league has used widebodies for the postseason.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:12 am

Midweek update:
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)

Planned:
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)

Fri 10/16 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (left storage in BHM on 10/9 flew BMH-ATL-DTW)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 3:57 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Midweek update:
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)

Planned:
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)

Fri 10/16 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (left storage in BHM on 10/9 flew BMH-ATL-DTW)


Any idea why it’s going to NGO? Charters?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:16 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Midweek update:
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)

Planned:
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)

Fri 10/16 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (left storage in BHM on 10/9 flew BMH-ATL-DTW)


So looks like it won’t head DTW-ICN-CAN for mod. Would it headed to MSP be an indicator of reentry into service?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 9:39 am

Looks like on Saturday 3514 will fly NRT-DTW and 3515 will fly AMS-NRT.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 4:21 pm

jbs2886 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
Midweek update:
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)

Planned:
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)

Fri 10/16 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (left storage in BHM on 10/9 flew BMH-ATL-DTW)


Any idea why it’s going to NGO? Charters?


Storage reshuffle...AMS hangar area is gonna be busy, when KL retires their last 744's this month
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:14 pm

Does anyone if the cargo flights operated by the 777 will continue after they are retired? JFK/ATL-BOM, ORD-FRA etc.?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:18 pm

Retired this quarter from the DL fleet. All 777/77L finiti. Not just the end of scheduled passenger services.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:25 pm

MIflyer12 wrote:
Retired this quarter from the DL fleet. All 777/77L finiti. Not just the end of scheduled passenger services.


Will the cargo routes they have been operating, transition over to other aircraft? A350, A330, etc?
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:32 pm

flyguy1 wrote:
MIflyer12 wrote:
Retired this quarter from the DL fleet. All 777/77L finiti. Not just the end of scheduled passenger services.


Will the cargo routes they have been operating, transition over to other aircraft? A350, A330, etc?

I’m not sure anyone, even DL, are entirely sure at this point. At the time of the 777 retirement announcement (which was all the way back in May!) DL was likely banking on air travel recovering enough at time of 777 retirement to not need cargo only flights.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 5:40 pm

Seems like they've been pulling A333s out of storage, maybe they use those for cargo? Not sure how much cargo those can hold but seems possible
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Thu Oct 15, 2020 6:20 pm

They are bringing back A333s since there is more A333 flying coming online at the end of the month.
Some to indirectly backfill the 777 retirement, as some of the A350s come off TATL flying (e.g. ATL-AMS)
Additional increased/ flying to resume (e.g., MSP-AMS, BOS-AMS to name a few)
Plus being used to add targeted domestic/leisure capacity over the winter (e.g, ATL/JFK/SLC - CUN)

I doubt you will see cargo-only stay operating unless its done with A350s after the end of the month.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 2:00 am

Another update this evening: (A359s on the move, B764 headed to mod, and another B77E retirement)

Actual
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)

Planned:
Fri 10/16 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (left storage in BHM on 10/9, BMH-ATL-DTW)

Sat 10/17 A359 AMS-NRT 3515 N515DN (ferry to induction work, new delivery to storage TLS-AMS 9/16)
Sat 10/17 A359 NRT-DTW 3514 N514DN (ferry following induction work, new delivery TLS-NRT 9/16)
Sat 10/17 B764 1805 N830MH MSP-SEA-ICN (ferry / reposition en-route to CAN for interior mods)
Sat 10/17 B77E 7007 N866DA LAX-VCV (retirement / storage; final revenue flight 10/17 DAL335 ATL-LAX)

2 remaining B77E active N862DA & N867DA doing cargo and military charter only)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:12 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
They are bringing back A333s since there is more A333 flying coming online at the end of the month.
Some to indirectly backfill the 777 retirement, as some of the A350s come off TATL flying (e.g. ATL-AMS)
Additional increased/ flying to resume (e.g., MSP-AMS, BOS-AMS to name a few)
Plus being used to add targeted domestic/leisure capacity over the winter (e.g, ATL/JFK/SLC - CUN)

I doubt you will see cargo-only stay operating unless its done with A350s after the end of the month.


The operations of the A350s are too fair for the Trans-Pacific market, the 15 A350s they have will operate:

LAX-SYD/PVG/HND
DTW-ICN/HND/PVG
MSP-HND
ATL-(JNB-CPT)/HND/ICN

There is no space for a TATL flight, they even canceled several Ultra long routes like ATL-PVG, JFK-BOM, DTW-PEK, they even downgraded A350 services like MSP-ICN to A332
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Fri Oct 16, 2020 3:24 am

RainerBoeing777 wrote:
PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
They are bringing back A333s since there is more A333 flying coming online at the end of the month.
Some to indirectly backfill the 777 retirement, as some of the A350s come off TATL flying (e.g. ATL-AMS)
Additional increased/ flying to resume (e.g., MSP-AMS, BOS-AMS to name a few)
Plus being used to add targeted domestic/leisure capacity over the winter (e.g, ATL/JFK/SLC - CUN)

I doubt you will see cargo-only stay operating unless its done with A350s after the end of the month.


The operations of the A350s are too fair for the Trans-Pacific market, the 15 A350s they have will operate:

LAX-SYD/PVG/HND
DTW-ICN/HND/PVG
MSP-HND
ATL-(JNB-CPT)/HND/ICN

There is no space for a TATL flight, they even canceled several Ultra long routes like ATL-PVG, JFK-BOM, DTW-PEK, they even downgraded A350 services like MSP-ICN to A332


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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 3:36 am

N406DX ETD (AMS - NGO) pushed back to saturday 2115 local time
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:11 am

Busy day on Saturday for widebody ferries:

Actual:
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (ferry/reposition, left storage in BHM on 10/9, BMH-ATL-DTW)

Planned:
Sat 10/17 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (ferry/reposition, previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Sat 10/17 A359 NRT-DTW 3514 N514DN (ferry/reposition, following induction work, new delivery TLS-NRT 9/16)
Sat 10/17 B764 MSP-SEA-ICN 1805 N830MH (ferry/reposition en-route to CAN for interior mods)
Sat 10/17 B77E LAX-VCV 7007 N866DA (retirement-storage; final revenue flight 10/17 DAL335 ATL-LAX)
Sat 10/17 B763 BHM-ATL 196 N196DN (storage exit)

Sun 10/18 A359 AMS-NRT 3515 N515DN (ferry/reposition for induction work, new delivery to storage TLS-AMS 9/16)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 5:05 pm

N406DX ferry AMS to NGO Japan today on Flightware: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX / DL9936
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:14 pm

3514 going right into revenue service tonight after its ferry from NRT.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:17 pm

tjerome wrote:
3514 going right into revenue service tonight after its ferry from NRT.


Interesting that the ferry from NRT-DTW is showing up as a flight number of DL3315. Must be using it as a cargo flight because those numbers have been cargo flights only in recent months. Otherwise, I would have expected a 99** flight number.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:20 pm

Looks like the last two 777 flights on the 30th and 31st have been cancelled.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:12 am

CaptainLeo wrote:
Looks like the last two 777 flights on the 30th and 31st have been cancelled.


Where are you seeing that? Both still appear bookable on delta.com for now...
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:56 am

[quote="CaptainLeo"]Looks like the last two 777 flights on the 30th and 31st have been cancelled.[/quote
My friend said it's changing flight numbers so it may show up as cancelled in some crew systems, but that the flights are still going as planned. So no need to worry!
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 6:27 am

remco1979 wrote:
N406DX ferry AMS to NGO Japan today on Flightware: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX / DL9936


The routing AMS-NGO of A339 N406DX seems to indicate that DL has no rights to transit Siberian airspace for EU-Japan flights ??


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 10:25 am

cessna2 wrote:
CaptainLeo wrote:
Looks like the last two 777 flights on the 30th and 31st have been cancelled.

My friend said it's changing flight numbers so it may show up as cancelled in some crew systems, but that the flights are still going as planned. So no need to worry!

My reservation on the last flight still shows up as DL 8807. But you scared me quite a bit! Hopefully it will be DL 777 or something similar.
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:33 pm

ifIHadWings wrote:
While I understand this would be a total long shot, do you suppose there is any chance Delta might buy/lease United's 16 B-767-400ER aircraft as a way to replace some older B-767-300ERs now and bridge an eventual purchase of new long haul aircraft closer to the 2030 time frame?

Not that Delta would want to spend the cash now, but if they could get them for a good price, maybe it would make sense. It's not like United is likely to get top dollar for them selling them to someone else or scrapping them given their status as niche aircraft.

Perhaps Delta could sell some additional B-767-300ERs for freighter conversion, while I doubt the UA B-767-400ERs are suitable for conversion to freighters.


Even though some here say the 764 comes short on range a bit. Over all for sub 5000nm. It probably does it’s job just fine and that is most of Europe from the east coast or to South America at least.

I think delta should try for sure. They can get another good 12 years out of them and gives delta a chance to force airbus or Boeing into a proper 767-300 replacement until then.

I also think delta needs to Re consider there sizable a339 order and maybe convert 15 or more to the smaller 800.

Your already operating the a332 and the a339. It won’t cost anything to integrate the 800 and will fill in the 763 void and give you better cargo capability for years to come.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:43 pm

randomdude83 wrote:
ifIHadWings wrote:
While I understand this would be a total long shot, do you suppose there is any chance Delta might buy/lease United's 16 B-767-400ER aircraft as a way to replace some older B-767-300ERs now and bridge an eventual purchase of new long haul aircraft closer to the 2030 time frame?

Not that Delta would want to spend the cash now, but if they could get them for a good price, maybe it would make sense. It's not like United is likely to get top dollar for them selling them to someone else or scrapping them given their status as niche aircraft.

Perhaps Delta could sell some additional B-767-300ERs for freighter conversion, while I doubt the UA B-767-400ERs are suitable for conversion to freighters.


Even though some here say the 764 comes short on range a bit. Over all for sub 5000nm. It probably does it’s job just fine and that is most of Europe from the east coast or to South America at least.

I think delta should try for sure. They can get another good 12 years out of them and gives delta a chance to force airbus or Boeing into a proper 767-300 replacement until then.

I also think delta needs to Re consider there sizable a339 order and maybe convert 15 or more to the smaller 800.

Your already operating the a332 and the a339. It won’t cost anything to integrate the 800 and will fill in the 763 void and give you better cargo capability for years to come.



As for A333-800s, what's the trip cost differential between that and a -900? My guess is they'd just be happy with more seats and cargo volume at modest cost.

As for buying UA 764s... why not just buy used 333s instead? They ought to be able to find something newer, they would get more range -- and they wouldn't be helping UA simplify its fleet. IMHO the last of the 757s, the 753s, and the 764s will go out all together very rapidly ~2027/2028 and eliminate a pilot rating/work group.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:14 pm

factsonly wrote:
remco1979 wrote:
N406DX ferry AMS to NGO Japan today on Flightware: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX / DL9936


The routing AMS-NGO of A339 N406DX seems to indicate that DL has no rights to transit Siberian airspace for EU-Japan flights ??


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX


Interesting, indeed same seems to apply to the N515DN en route now. Both only briefly flew in Russian airspace to follow a more southern route via Kazakhstan and China. Not the shortest route.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N515DN
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:22 pm

remco1979 wrote:
factsonly wrote:
remco1979 wrote:
N406DX ferry AMS to NGO Japan today on Flightware: https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX / DL9936


The routing AMS-NGO of A339 N406DX seems to indicate that DL has no rights to transit Siberian airspace for EU-Japan flights ??


https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N406DX


Interesting, indeed same seems to apply to the N515DN en route now. Both only briefly flew in Russian airspace to follow a more southern route via Kazakhstan and China. Not the shortest route.

https://uk.flightaware.com/live/flight/N515DN


Other aircraft were following the same route, including a FedEx.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:38 pm

Its due to the winds with the shortest flying time. DL has full rights in Russian airspace anyways.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 8:17 pm

x1234 wrote:
Its due to the winds with the shortest flying time. DL has full rights in Russian airspace anyways.


I am not convinced this is correct.

DL's flying time AMS - NRT is 11.24 hrs over Khazakstan, while KL operates AMS-NRT daily through Siberian airspace with following flying times:

17 Oct 2020 AMS - NRT B77W 10:37 hrs
16 Oct 2020 AMS - NRT B77W 10:43 hrs
15 Oct 2020 AMS - NRT B77W 10:32 hrs

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/kl861
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:36 pm

Is it safe to assume that there are 2 B764s ready to be picked up from CAN...Ships #1803, N827MH and #1815, N839MH? I guess it depends how many extra crew are on ship #1806, N830MH, heading to CAN this week.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:57 am

Recap - actuals from last week:
Sun 10/11 A333 BHM-DTW 3319 N819NW (storage exit)
Thu 10/15 A333 BHM-MSP 3312 N812NW (storage exit)
Fri 10/16 B764 DTW-MSP 1805 N830MH (ferry/reposition, left storage in BHM on 10/9, BMH-ATL-DTW)
Sat 10/17 A339 AMS-NGO 3406 N406DX (ferry/reposition, previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Sat 10/17 A359 NRT-DTW 3514 N514DN (ferry/reposition, following induction work, new delivery TLS-NRT 9/16)
Sat 10/17 B764 MSP-SEA-ICN 1805 N830MH (ferry/reposition en-route to CAN for interior mods)
Sat 10/17 B77E LAX-VCV 7007 N866DA (retirement-storage; final revenue flight 10/17 DAL335 ATL-LAX)
Sat 10/17 B763 BHM-ATL 196 N196DN (storage exit)

This week - actual
Sun 10/18 A359 AMS-NRT 3515 N515DN (ferry/reposition for induction work, new delivery to storage TLS-AMS 9/16)

This week - planned
Mon 10/19 A339 AMS-NGO 3407 N407DX (ferry/reposition, previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)
Mon 10/19 B764 ICN-CAN 1806 N830MH (ferry/repostion for mod, prior BHM-ATL-DTW-MSP-SEA-ICN)
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 2:42 am

x1234 wrote:
Its due to the winds with the shortest flying time. DL has full rights in Russian airspace anyways.


That route is not the most efficient route. This is the Rostov route.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 8:34 am

Could it also be DL avoiding overflight fees over the Trans Siberian corridor?
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Mon Oct 19, 2020 1:30 pm

1805 showing an exit Oct 20 as DL9963: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n827mh
1815 showing an exit Oct 21 as DL9966: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n839mh
Looks like 1806 is scheduled for a couple of ICN-CAN-ICN-CAN legs to position crews (basing this solely off FR24): https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n830mh
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:06 am

PSU.DTW.SCE wrote:
This week - planned
Mon 10/19 A339 AMS-NGO 3407 N407DX (ferry/reposition, previous flight was delivery flight TLS-AMS on 9/24)


DL9936 for N407DX also sans the Siberian corridor
Source: https://www.flightstats.com/v2/flight-t ... 1046643826
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 12:58 pm

188, the 763 in for PE is now showing an exit from CAN on the 22nd: https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n188dn
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 1:41 pm

Could someone tell me where the following frames are parked? Is it MCI, BHM, MZJ, SBD, ILN, VCV?
N182DN
N193DN
N197DN
N176DZ

Thanks.
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 2:44 pm

dalmit wrote:
Could someone tell me where the following frames are parked? Is it MCI, BHM, MZJ, SBD, ILN, VCV?
N182DN
N193DN
N197DN
N176DZ

Thanks.


182, 193, 197 are at BHM. 176 is at ILN
 
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Re: Delta Widebody Thread - 2020

Tue Oct 20, 2020 3:02 pm

From what I see Delta started flying the A359 from LAX to SYD yesterday:

18/10/2020

DAL3315 A359 (N511DN)

Right now there is another A359 doing LAX-SYD:

DAL3315 A359 (N513DZ)

These flights are cargo only? Route proving?

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