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United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:27 pm

Welcome to the United Fleet and Network Thread 2020 Edition. This thread is for updates on modifications to United's fleet, status of new deliveries, and discussion on routes, services, and products, and status of repainting the fleet. This thread combines the previously separate Fleet/Network and Repaint Threads.

These posts will contain weekly updates, typically updated on Monday of each week.

The lead contributor for this thread is calpsafltskeds. All information and updates below is provided by this user.

For any issues with the updates or for feedback on this thread, please contact atcsundevil.

2019 Fleet/Network Thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1411803
2019 Repaint Thread viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1421137
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:28 pm

United Fleet/Configuration

Changes for February 16, 2020 - February 23, 2020

319: N816UA entered SFO 718/16Feb, exited 2073/21Feb, 12F config. confirmed - N881UA has 12F config and can't see where/when installed- N839UA exited MIA 2743/19Feb in 12F config

738: N27213 entered AMA 2752/17Feb for EvoBlu livery - N12218 entered AMA 2756/22Feb for EvoBlu livery

739: N64844 entered INT 2736/17Feb for ViaSatWiFi - N67845 exited INT 2737/17Feb with ViaSatWiFi - N61887 sked to exit INT 2742/23Feb, ViaSat unconfirmed - N69888 entered INT 2742/22Feb, ViaSat WiFi?

752: N598UA exited MIA 2733/20Feb, VIASatWiFi unconfirmed - N14106 entered MIA 1647/20Feb for 16/160 config mod - N57111 exited MIA 2015/20Feb, 16/160 confirmed

77W: N2251U first revenue flight 2239/19Feb

789: N26967 entered VCV paint 2750/19Feb, touch up or full paint? - N29975 sustained wing damage in a ground incident at ORD, flights cxld - N24976 first revenue flight 62/21Feb - N29975 sked to ferry ORD-IAH 2738/18Feb

78X: N12012 still in IAD, sked ferry to ORD 2762/23Feb


Changes for February 9, 2020 - February 16, 2020

319: N812UA entered SFO 2201/7Feb, exited 421/11Feb with 12F config - N824UA entered SFO 2228/11Feb, sked to exit 2358/16Feb with 12F config confirmed - N825UA exited LCQ 2763/12Feb, 12F not confirmed - N831UA exited AMA 2718/17Feb in EvoBlu livery - N847UA entered AMA 2762/17Feb for EvoBlu livery - N881UA sked to exit AMA 2743/18Feb, then first revenue flight 532/18Feb

320: N492UA sked to enter AMA 2742/17Feb for EvoBlu livery

73G: N16756, Ex WN N7703A, sked ferry PAE-GYR 2709/15Feb

738: N37293 exited AMA 2717/16Feb in EvoBlu livery - N77295 entered AMA 2744/1Feb for paint,exited 2697/10Feb in EvoBlu livery

739: N61886 exited INT 2755/11Feb, ViaSatWiFi - N61887 entered INT 2754/11FEb for ViaSat Wifi

752: N13110 entered SAT 2762/14Feb, potential 16/160 config.

763: N648UA exited LCQ 2756/17Feb in EvoBlu livery - N652UA entered HKG 2742/14Feb for High J Polaris/PP - N670UA entered LCQ 2757/17Feb for EvoBlu livery - N676UA exited HKG 2735/14Feb in High J Polaris/PP

772: N771UA exited VCV 2746/10Feb inEvoBlu livery - N785UA entered XMN 2740/12Feb, expect Polaris/PP into slot N797UA should exit soon - N791UA sked to exit XMN maint 2743/12Feb - N77006 entered VCV paint 2745/10Feb, sked exit 2733/16 (delayed and questionable whether EvoBlu or touchup)

789: N26960 sked to exit VCV 2733/16Feb, rumors of EvoBlu or touchup, exit delayed - N24976 delivery flight 2706/12Feb CHS-ORD for Induction


Updated on 23 FEB 2020
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:29 pm

United Fleet

WIDEBODIES (By fleet with highest Polaris percentage)

78X(78J): 781, Polaris/PE 44BF/21PE/45E+/208Y - 12 delivered of 14 total, aircraft #1001/02/03/04/05/06/07/08/09/10/11/12

77W: 77X, Polaris/PE 60BF/24PE/62E+/204Y - 21 units, aircraft #2131-2151

772ER: 77N/U, Polaris/PE 50BF/24PE/46E+/156Y - 26 of 33 pmUA converted, aircraft N204/06/09/16/17/18/23/24/25/26/27/28/29UA, N782/84/86/87/88/91/92/93/94/95/96/98/99UA
772ER: 77J/Q, 3 Class 8F/40BF/113E+/108Y - 7 remain N219/20/21/22UA, N783/85/97UA (N219UA-N222UA for Domestic conversion)
772ER: 77?, Domestic conversion coming N222UA in mod

763ER: 76A, 2 Class Polaris - 14 units, N641/42/43/44/46/47/48/49/51/54/55/56/59/60UA
763ER: 76L, Polaris/PE 46BF/33PE/47E+/52Y - 15 units, N664/65/66/67/68/69/70/71/72/75/76/77/84/85/86UA 9 76C to be converted)
763ER: 76C, 2 Class 30BF/49E+/135Y - 9 units, N673/74UA (N652/53/57/58/61/62/63UA not sked for Polaris)

772ER: 77E, Polaris 50BF/24PE/46E+/156Y - 12 units, #3001/3002/3003/3004/3005/3006/3011/3015-3018/3020 (22 pmCO 77Y to be converted)
772ER: 77Y, 2 Class 50BF/72E+/145Y - 10 remain, aircraft #3007-3010/3012-3014/3019-3021-3022

764ER: 76S, 2 Class 39BF/70E+/131Y - 16 units, aircraft 3051-3066, Polaris configuration & dates unknown

788: 76?, Polaris/PP - 28BF/21PP/36E+/158Y - 1 units aircraft 3908
788: 76V, 2 Class - 36BF/70E+/113Y - 11 units, aircraft 3901-3907/3909-3910/3912-3913

789: 78?, Polaris/PPs - 48J/21PE/39E+/149Y - 2 units, aircraft 3975-3976
789: 78Z, 2 Class - 48BF/88E/116Y - 26 units, aircraft 3950-3974

772A: 77G, Domestic 28BF/102E+/234Y - 19 units N210/11/12/13/14/15UA, N768/69/71/72/73/74/75/76/77/78/79/80/81UA

NARROWBODIES (all aircraft have slimline Y seats except Intl 752/75B)

319: 19F 12F/36E+/78Y - 43 units, (ISP F/E+) N801UA/N803UA-N810UA/N812UA/N814UA-N817UA/N819UA-N822UA/N824UA/N826UA-831UA/833UA-834UA/839UA/841UA-855UA
319: 19S, 8F/42E+/78Y - 11 units, (ISP F/E+) 802UA/811UA/813UA/818UA/823UA/825UA/832UA/836UA-838UA/N840UA
319: 19C, 8F/42E+/78Y - 11 units, (ISP F/E+) N4888U, N890UA-N898UA (Ex CZ units)
319: 19G, 12F/36E+/78Y - 6 unit, (ISP All) N871UA/N876UA-N879UA/881ua (Ex CZ units)
319: 19G, 12F/36E+/78Y - 1 unit, (ISP F/E+) N899UA (Ex CZ units)

320: 20S, 12F/42E+/96Y - 95 units, N401UA-N429UA/N432UA-N449UA, N451UA-N498UA
320: 20C, 12F/42E+/96Y - 2 units, aircraft 4901-4902 (Ex CZ units)

73G: 73G, 12F/36E+/78Y - 29 units, aircraft 3702-3712, 3713-3719, 3721-3722, 3724, 2727-3733, 3750 DTV
73G: 73S, 12F/30E+/84Y - 3 units, aircraft 3713/3717/3726 GUM operation
73G: 37S, 12F/36E+/78Y - 8 units, aircraft 3720/3734/3735/3736 Ex GUM, 3751/3752/3753/3754 Ex Copa PDE only

738: 73U, 16F/42E/108Y - 5 units, aircraft 3278-3282 GUM operation
738: 73Y, 16F/54E+/96Y - 8 units, aircraft 3201/3227/3232/3235-3236/3240/3246/3249, PDE, Ex GUM
738: 73Y, 16F/54E+/96Y - 92 units, aircraft 3202-3226/3228-3231/3233-3234/3238-3239/3241-3245/3247-3248/3250-3277/3283-3299/3501-3506 DTV
738: 73Q, 16F/54E+/96Y, 12 units, aircraft 3507-3518 DTV (3507 and Up Short Field Performance, SFP)
738: 73Q, 16F/48E+/102Y - 24 units, aircraft 3519-3542 (3528 and up Sky Interior, 3532 and Up PDE only with Space Bins)

739: 73C, 20F/42E+/117Y - 12 units, aircraft 3401-3412 (non-ER)DTV
739: 73L, 20F/42E+/117Y - 72 units, 3413-3479/3895-3899 DTV(3443-3478 20F/39E+/120Y) (3465 and up PDE only)(3479/3895-3899 Space Bins)
739: 37K, 20F/42E+/117Y - 64 units, 3801-3894 PDE (3801-3810 20F/39E+/120Y)

39M: 37X, 20F/48E+/111Y - 14 delivered, 7501-7514 PDE - fleet grounded by FAA

752: 75K, 28BF/42E+/72Y - 12 units, N502/10/12/68/87-90/95-98UA AVOD/PDE
752: 75B, 16BF/45E+/108Y - 33 units, 3103-3104/3106/3108/3110-3115/3117-3119/3121-3122/3124-3141, International AVOD/PDE
752: 75S, 16BF/42E+/118Y - 7 units, 3101-3102/3105/3107/3109/3116/3120 International AVOD/PDE with new, added Y seating and other upgrades

753: 75E, 24F/54E+/156Y - 21 units, aircraft 3851-3871 (3860-3871 Ex ATA)

Special paint:
WAVE/787/737MAX fleets: RETRO/320/N475UA,739/N75435: ECO SKIES/739/N75432: NEW SPIRIT OF UNITED/77W/N2331U: STAR/73G/N13720,738/N26210/N76516,752/N14120,763/N653UA,764/N76055,772/N218UA/N794UA/N78017/N76021/N77022:
Capt. Marlon Green/738/N77518, Gordon Bethune/772/N70881, Robert F Six/772/N77006, Larry Kellner/772/N77019

Updated on 23 FEB 2020
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:29 pm

Glossary

AIRCRAFT CODES, 319, 320, 39M(MAX9), 73G(700), 738, 739, 739ER 752, 753, 763, 764, 772, 77W(300ER), 788(-8), 789(-9), 78X(-10, AKA 78J)
MAINTENANCE BASES: LCQ/Lake City FL, MIA/Mia FL, MCO/Orlando FL, HOU/Houston Hobby, IAH/Houston TX, SAT/San Antonio TX, DLH/Duluth MN, SFO/San Francisco CA, IAD/Washington Dulles VA, SEA/Seattle WA, DEN/Denver CO, HKG/Hong Kong, XMN/Xiamen China. Paint: AMA/Amarillo TX, VCV/Victorville CA, FTW/Ft Worth TX, CWF/Lake Charles Chennault LA. Storage: GYR/Goodyear AZ, VCV/Victorville CA.
AIRLINES: UA/United, CZ/China Southern & CM/Copa (sources of used aircraft now flown by UA), LH/Luthansa (Star alliance partner). UAX carriers: AX/Trans State, EV/ExpressJet, G7/GoJet, C5/Commutair, OO/Skywest, YX/Republic, YV/Mesa, ZW/Air Wisconsin

AVOD, Audio Video on Demand
BF, Business First, replaced by Polaris Business (International) and Business (Domestic)
C Check, Major Maintenance check, D Check is more extensive
Domestic, routes between US airports
E+, Economy Plus
ER, Extended range aircraft
ETOPS, Extended Twin operations over large oceans, all UA aircraft except 319/20 fleet has ETOPS
GLOBE, standard UA paint job with Globe on tail
Gogo, one of three bands of WiFi service offered by United, gogo on Domestic 757-200s
IFE , In Flight Entertainment
Induction, first arrival point of a new delivery where UA installs company materials, etc.
IPTE, 3 class pmUA international aircraft with First, Business, Economy Plus and Economy. Being replaced with Polaris
ISP, In seat power, all UA ISp is 120 volt plugs
J, Lie Flat seating on United flights - Designated Polaris Business (International) and Business (Domestic)
Lie Flat, Seats on J UA international and selected Domestic flights that offer 180 degree beds
Mod, Modifation of aircraft, usually interior seating changes on this site
OB, Overhead bins
OW, Overwater certified, some 320s are overwater certified, but do not have the capability of ETOPS aircraft
PDE, Personal Device Entertainment, where passengers can view free movies, etc. on their own devices via WiFi
PMCO, Pre merger Continental (AKA sCO for susidary Continental of the merger airline)
PMUA, Pre merger United (AKA sUA for susidary Continental of the merger airline)
Polaris, United's new lie flat all aisle access for J passengers.
PE or PP, UA's Premium Economy on selcted international aircraft
Reconfiguration, change in the aircraft's interior seating and/or lavs/galleys. Can also be called Conversions.
Retro, Paint jobs on two premerger Continental and United aircraft
Satl KA, one of three bands of WiFi service offered by United, KA offered on 737 aircraft
Satl KU, one of three bands of WiFi service offered by United, International & 319/320 aircraft have KU band WiFi
Seat Map, layout of a UA aircraft's seating arrangements
Sked, scheduled
Scimitar winglets, winglets on 737, 757, 763 aircraft (737s have upper and lower winglets) (319/320 have smaller devices called wing fences
STAR, Airline Alliance United is in, also STAR is used to indicate aircraft painted in Star paint
UAX, United Express commuter airlines that operate aircraft as UA flights
WiFi, WiFi installation on aircraft
Y, Economy service
110V, In seat power with 110 volt plugs
772A, Boeing 777-200 aircraft in Domestic configuration. Has shorter range than 772ER aircraft

Updated on 12 JAN 2019
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:30 pm

Globe Evolution Repaint Progress
More detailed information on repaints can be tracked on the United Fleet Site.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... n-progress

Mainline Narrowbody Fleet
A319 12/72 16.7%
A320 8/97 8.2%
B73G 0/40 0.0%
B738 22/141 15.6%
B739 0/148 0.0%
B73M 0/14 0.0%
B7JM 0/0 0.0%
B752 2/52 3.8%
B753 0/21 0.0%
Narrowbody Fleet 44/585 7.5%

Mainline Widebody Fleet
B763 7/38 18.4%
B764 0/16 0.0%
B772 3/74 4.1%
B77W 3/21 14.3%
B788 0/12 0.0%
B789 2/27 7.4%
B78X 3/12 25.0%
Widebody Fleet 18/200 9.0%

Mainline Fleet Total 62/785 7.9%


Regional Fleet
EJJ175 0/153 0.0%
E175SC 21/25 84.0%
ERJ170 0/38 0.0%
CRJ700 0/41 0.0%
CRJ550 29/34 85.3%
ERJ145 1/78 1.3%
E145XR 5/100 5.0%
CRJ200 3/166 1.8%
Regional Fleet 59/635 9.3%

Updated on 23 FEB 2020
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:00 pm

Happy New Year!

Here’s a recap of 2019 and a quick 2020 outlook:

In 2019:
2x 77Ws delivered
77W PP modifications completed
772-ER Polaris/PP modifications well-underway
8x 78Js delivered (all with Polaris and PP seats)
788/789 Polaris/PP mods began
763 Polaris-only mods completed; Polaris/PP mods well underway
753 slimline and new F cabin completed
2x 752 28J units retired
752 new International layout modifications started
5x 7M9s delivered prior to grounding
2x 320 frames retired
319 new first cabin layout began and is well underway
New livery paint began – will continue for 5+ years

22 50-seaters were removed from service (3 ER4s and 19 CR2s)
38 50-seaters were added to UAX service (18 CR5s, 2 ER4s and 18 CR2s)
25 70-seaters were delivered (all E175SCs)
17x CR7 removed from service (converted to CR5)

Jan United Fleet & 2019 Outlook:

A319 fleet: 80 total – 8 (used) deliveries in 2019 with 4 of those in service, new F cabin layout mods to complete in 2020, expect remaining China Southern deliveries plus start of EasyJet deliveries in 2020

A320 fleet: 97 total – new F cabin layout to begin in 2020, possible used frames to be added

73G fleet: 42 total (3 in Guam service) – 40 in service, 2 used frames from WN delivered, more to enter service in 2020

738 fleet: 141 total (5 in Guam service) – no changes anticipated

739 fleet: 148 total – no changes anticipated

7M9 fleet: 14 total, all grounded, deliveries if/when grounding is ended

752 fleet: 53 total – 40 International frames to continue new seating mod, expect more 28J frames to be retired

753 fleet: 21 total – no changes anticipated

763 fleet: 38 total - 14 with 30J, hi-J mods continue, unsure of fate of remaining 7 units, suspect all will stay in fleet for now

764 fleet: 16 total – Polaris/PP mods to begin late 2020

772 fleet: 19 total - domestic config, no changes anticipated

77E fleet: 55 total – Polaris/PP mods continue for 51 frames, 4 to become domestic

77W fleet: 20 total – all with Polaris/PP, expect 2 more early 2020, possible 4 additional orders

788 fleet: 12 total - Polaris/PP modification to complete in 2020

789 fleet: 25 total - Polaris/PP modification continue throughout 2020, 13 deliveries expected in 2020

78J fleet: 11 total - all with Polaris and PP, expect 2 more deliveries in 2020, 1 in 2021, possible top-up order

CRJ-200 fleet: 161 Total (62 Air Wisconsin, 99 Skywest) plus 13 floaters – Expect a few retirements, fleet otherwise unchanged

CRJ-550 fleet: 18 total (all GoJet) – expect at least 54 in service by end of 2020

CRJ-700 fleet: 47 total (19 Skywest, 20 Mesa, 8 GoJet) – Remaining GoJet and all Mesa to be removed and converted to CR5

E170 fleet: 38 total (all Republic) - no changes anticipated

E175SC fleet: 25 total (all ExpressJet, 17 in service) – expect 20 more deliveries to go to Mesa in 2020

E175 fleet: 153 total (65 Skywest, 60 Mesa, 28 Republic) – no changes anticipated

ERJ-145 fleet: 178 total (95 ExpressJet, 46 TransStates, 37 CommutAir) - expect more to transition to CommutAir in 2020

** note some of these fleet numbers differ from the UA fleet plan because I have included all frames where UA does not include pro-rate contract planes
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 2:53 pm

Some network in this thread:

I believe these are all the new routes United has announced but that haven't yet started:

DEN-DDC in February

EWR-HND in spring

IAD-BGR in June
IAD-HND in spring
IAD-MSN in June
IAD-TVC in June

LAX-HND in spring

ORD-DEC in March
ORD-HND in spring
ORD-ZRH in March

SFO-DUB in June

Am I missing anything?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:10 pm

adamblang wrote:
Some network in this thread:

I believe these are all the new routes United has announced but that haven't yet started:

DEN-DDC in February

EWR-HND in spring

IAD-BGR in June
IAD-HND in spring
IAD-MSN in June
IAD-TVC in June

LAX-HND in spring

ORD-DEC in March
ORD-HND in spring
ORD-ZRH in March

SFO-DUB in June

Am I missing anything?


ORD-PSC/SBA, IAH-GEG, LAX-ANC, DEN-ECP/NAS, IAD-ACK/HHH/PBI
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:33 pm

adamblang wrote:
Some network in this thread:

I believe these are all the new routes United has announced but that haven't yet started:

DEN-DDC in February

EWR-HND in spring

IAD-BGR in June
IAD-HND in spring
IAD-MSN in June
IAD-TVC in June

LAX-HND in spring

ORD-DEC in March
ORD-HND in spring
ORD-ZRH in March

SFO-DUB in June

Am I missing anything?


EWR- PMO/NCE
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 3:43 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I believe the UA MAXs are all in GYR
Per Boeing Test Flight Spreadsheet undelivered MAXs:
7515-7516 BFI
7517-7528 MWH
7529-7530 SAT
7751-7752 RNT
73G 3775 looks like a potential added unit from WN
Please check my Fleet page to check for differences (tabs on bottom) - maybe not 100% correct, 19, 3G & 3M tabs for most of the new/used units
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... t-tracking


What do you use to track the aircraft ? Haven't dived into it in a while.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N27515 (ARA)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N37516 (VCV)

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/ N47517-N37528 (MWH)

calpsafltskeds wrote:
N17529-N37530 SAT


Are they at SAT or SKF ? Boeing has facilities at SKF.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:44 pm

Any word yet how the CFM 56-5’s on EasyJet A319’s will be overhauled? In house? Contract? Has training and certification of personnel for them started yet for line maintenance?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:45 pm

I have removed all of the posts regarding the organization of this thread, because I want it to start on topic. However, I will address concerns that users have expressed. After that, let's please move on.

I am aware that there are a varying degree of opinions as to how this thread should be organized. The poll that was created was a worthwhile effort, albeit unofficial (the moderators had no knowledge or part in conducting the poll); however, it was subject to manipulation, and we had no way of determining any actual results. One very motivated person could have voted a hundred times for the same response. The poll had something like 250+ responses, which is far more active than this thread has ever been. I doubt last year's thread had more than 100 unique users.

The thread will remain combined for a number of very good reasons, all of which were explained at the end of last year's thread. Just because other airlines have multiple topics doesn't make it a better arrangement. Many of the most active users here prefer an active discussion, and when the thread is fragmented, that active discussion becomes diluted.

Just because this is a combined thread does not mean that all United current events must be discussed here. Newsworthy or noteworthy events can have their own standalone thread, just as always. This thread simply exists for everyday discussion.

So that the thread doesn't get too large, it's likely that the thread will change to a quarterly or half-year format as opposed to an annual format, so the thread will likely be refreshed at least once this year.

Now, let's please move on, and get back to discussing things that matter more than this.

Have a Happy New Year!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 4:53 pm

CALTECH, I'm using this page for one source (go to 737 production list tab - search for United Airlines)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... iew?pli=1#
Note that FlightAware 7515 and 7516 returned to BFI after painting in ARA and VCV.

FlyHossD, that was my error in sending to atcsundevil. The correct type is 78X

Not to start the year out on the wrong foot, but for what its worth I just looked at the Network thread from 2018 and was surprised to see that on the 13 page thread 160 different users posted on the 603 post thread (1.6 posts per day average). There were new users on each of the 13 pages. While many users had lots of posts, the average was only 3.75, so many of the 160 made a single post. I understand people may just read the posts and may or may not jump in later. Unfortunately, you can't see the day of posts to understand how many days went by between posts in some cases.

I appreciate the poll taken by cosyr, but like most polls done online, its not scientific. I noted it went from very positive for a single thread in the morning to switching by the time 100 posts were made. Not to accuse anyone of anything, but there are really easy ways to vote multiple times and that's why polls like this are not scientific.
However, according to the poll results, while many of those wanting 2 threads were interested in reading both fleet and network posts, I wonder what advantage it is to pull up two different threads on a daily basis, especially when the network thread has fewer posts and may go days w/o posts.

I would hope we would all work with atcsundevil's decision to continue a single thread which will reduce his volunteer workload and reduce duplication. I for one enjoy seeing everything UA in a single thread and, like anyone, can just scroll down from stuff I'm not interested in viewing.

In any case I'm still tracking and posting. Please continue participating!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:04 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALTECH, I'm using this page for one source (go to 737 production list tab - search for United Airlines)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... iew?pli=1#
Note that FlightAware 7515 and 7516 returned to BFI after painting in ARA and VCV.

FlyHossD, that was my error in sending to atcsundevil. The correct type is 78X

Not to start the year out on the wrong foot, but for what its worth I just looked at the Network thread from 2018 and was surprised to see that on the 13 page thread 160 different users posted on the 603 post thread (1.6 posts per day average). There were new users on each of the 13 pages. While many users had lots of posts, the average was only 3.75, so many of the 160 made a single post. I understand people may just read the posts and may or may not jump in later. Unfortunately, you can't see the day of posts to understand how many days went by between posts in some cases.

I appreciate the poll taken by cosyr, but like most polls done online, its not scientific. I noted it went from very positive for a single thread in the morning to switching by the time 100 posts were made. Not to accuse anyone of anything, but there are really easy ways to vote multiple times and that's why polls like this are not scientific.
However, according to the poll results, while many of those wanting 2 threads were interested in reading both fleet and network posts, I wonder what advantage it is to pull up two different threads on a daily basis, especially when the network thread has fewer posts and may go days w/o posts.

I would hope we would all work with atcsundevil's decision to continue a single thread which will reduce his volunteer workload and reduce duplication. I for one enjoy seeing everything UA in a single thread and, like anyone, can just scroll down from stuff I'm not interested in viewing.

In any case I'm still tracking and posting. Please continue participating!

Thanks for your input, calpsafltskeds. This thread would be a lot less informative if it weren't for your effort. It's people like you and the dozen or so really active users in this thread that help make airliners.net an awesome forum. I hope that this thread continues to grow and become more active — if I need to refresh the thread multiple times per year, then I consider that to be a good problem. More discussion is good, and I know that we all just want to be part of it.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Dec 31, 2019 5:58 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
CALTECH, I'm using this page for one source (go to 737 production list tab - search for United Airlines)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... iew?pli=1#
Note that FlightAware 7515 and 7516 returned to BFI after painting in ARA and VCV.

FlyHossD, that was my error in sending to atcsundevil. The correct type is 78X

Not to start the year out on the wrong foot, but for what its worth I just looked at the Network thread from 2018 and was surprised to see that on the 13 page thread 160 different users posted on the 603 post thread (1.6 posts per day average). There were new users on each of the 13 pages. While many users had lots of posts, the average was only 3.75, so many of the 160 made a single post. I understand people may just read the posts and may or may not jump in later. Unfortunately, you can't see the day of posts to understand how many days went by between posts in some cases.

I appreciate the poll taken by cosyr, but like most polls done online, its not scientific. I noted it went from very positive for a single thread in the morning to switching by the time 100 posts were made. Not to accuse anyone of anything, but there are really easy ways to vote multiple times and that's why polls like this are not scientific.
However, according to the poll results, while many of those wanting 2 threads were interested in reading both fleet and network posts, I wonder what advantage it is to pull up two different threads on a daily basis, especially when the network thread has fewer posts and may go days w/o posts.

I would hope we would all work with atcsundevil's decision to continue a single thread which will reduce his volunteer workload and reduce duplication. I for one enjoy seeing everything UA in a single thread and, like anyone, can just scroll down from stuff I'm not interested in viewing.

In any case I'm still tracking and posting. Please continue participating!

Thanks for your input, calpsafltskeds. This thread would be a lot less informative if it weren't for your effort. It's people like you and the dozen or so really active users in this thread that help make airliners.net an awesome forum. I hope that this thread continues to grow and become more active — if I need to refresh the thread multiple times per year, then I consider that to be a good problem. More discussion is good, and I know that we all just want to be part of it.


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Looking forward to what 2020 has in order. And yes, thank you to calpsafltskeds and everyone who makes this thread go round! Glad I'll be able to get all the latest UA developments in one place in 2020.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 12:58 am

73G:
N25705 - Confirmed exit from INT on 31-Dec/2733

738:
N77258 - Confirmed exit from MIA on 30-Dec/1489

319:
N879UA - Scheduled to exit XMN on 2-Jan/2693. Completed test hop on 1-Jan 2020.

763:
N643UA - Confirmed exit from SAT on 29-Dec/2754
N666UA - Scheduled exit from ILN on 1-Jan/2748

772:
N797UA - Scheduled flight to XMN pushed out ~3hrs to later in the evening. Still scheduled to enter XMN on 31-Dec

CR5:
N169GJ has been re-registered as N548GJ
N160GJ is being re-registered as N533GJ
N171GJ is being re-registered as N521GJ
N175GJ is being re-registered as N554GJ
N608QX is being re-registered as N519GJ
N613QX is being re-registered as N508GJ, currently in AA livery
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:12 am

I am a firm believer since SFO-DEL was successful SFO-BOM can be launched too. Its flying time is similar to SFO-SIN west-bound.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:54 am

x1234 wrote:
I am a firm believer since SFO-DEL was successful SFO-BOM can be launched too. Its flying time is similar to SFO-SIN west-bound.


The 787-9 could make the flight, however would likely be weight restricted. LAX/SIN was canceled due to financial reasons partially driven by weight restrictions and it was only 70 mi longer than SFO/BLR, granted polar routes typically have fewer challenges with winds.

While I would love to see this route launch personally, the economics of it may be challenging given the likely weight restrictions and historically competitive pricing from Emirates.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:47 am

What is the schedule of delivery for the 13 new 787-9? Which routes are 787-9 going to be flown?


quote="UAinAUS"]Happy New Year!

Here’s a recap of 2019 and a quick 2020 outlook:

In 2019:
2x 77Ws delivered
77W PP modifications completed
772-ER Polaris/PP modifications well-underway
8x 78Js delivered (all with Polaris and PP seats)
788/789 Polaris/PP mods began
763 Polaris-only mods completed; Polaris/PP mods well underway
753 slimline and new F cabin completed
2x 752 28J units retired
752 new International layout modifications started
5x 7M9s delivered prior to grounding
2x 320 frames retired
319 new first cabin layout began and is well underway
New livery paint began – will continue for 5+ years

22 50-seaters were removed from service (3 ER4s and 19 CR2s)
38 50-seaters were added to UAX service (18 CR5s, 2 ER4s and 18 CR2s)
25 70-seaters were delivered (all E175SCs)
17x CR7 removed from service (converted to CR5)

Jan United Fleet & 2019 Outlook:

A319 fleet: 80 total – 8 (used) deliveries in 2019 with 4 of those in service, new F cabin layout mods to complete in 2020, expect remaining China Southern deliveries plus start of EasyJet deliveries in 2020

A320 fleet: 97 total – new F cabin layout to begin in 2020, possible used frames to be added

73G fleet: 42 total (3 in Guam service) – 40 in service, 2 used frames from WN delivered, more to enter service in 2020

738 fleet: 141 total (5 in Guam service) – no changes anticipated

739 fleet: 148 total – no changes anticipated

7M9 fleet: 14 total, all grounded, deliveries if/when grounding is ended

752 fleet: 53 total – 40 International frames to continue new seating mod, expect more 28J frames to be retired

753 fleet: 21 total – no changes anticipated

763 fleet: 38 total - 14 with 30J, hi-J mods continue, unsure of fate of remaining 7 units, suspect all will stay in fleet for now

764 fleet: 16 total – Polaris/PP mods to begin late 2020

772 fleet: 19 total - domestic config, no changes anticipated

77E fleet: 55 total – Polaris/PP mods continue for 51 frames, 4 to become domestic

77W fleet: 20 total – all with Polaris/PP, expect 2 more early 2020, possible 4 additional orders

788 fleet: 12 total - Polaris/PP modification to complete in 2020

789 fleet: 25 total - Polaris/PP modification continue throughout 2020, 13 deliveries expected in 2020

78J fleet: 11 total - all with Polaris and PP, expect 2 more deliveries in 2020, 1 in 2021, possible top-up order

CRJ-200 fleet: 161 Total (62 Air Wisconsin, 99 Skywest) plus 13 floaters – Expect a few retirements, fleet otherwise unchanged

CRJ-550 fleet: 18 total (all GoJet) – expect at least 54 in service by end of 2020

CRJ-700 fleet: 47 total (19 Skywest, 20 Mesa, 8 GoJet) – Remaining GoJet and all Mesa to be removed and converted to CR5

E170 fleet: 38 total (all Republic) - no changes anticipated

E175SC fleet: 25 total (all ExpressJet, 17 in service) – expect 20 more deliveries to go to Mesa in 2020

E175 fleet: 153 total (65 Skywest, 60 Mesa, 28 Republic) – no changes anticipated

ERJ-145 fleet: 178 total (95 ExpressJet, 46 TransStates, 37 CommutAir) - expect more to transition to CommutAir in 2020

** note some of these fleet numbers differ from the UA fleet plan because I have included all frames where UA does not include pro-rate contract planes[/quote]
 
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Does UA still operate the 737-900 ?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:53 am

Continental took delivery of a small number of 737-924 Non-Er airframes

They were known for their performance limitations

Are these still in the United fleet and operational ?
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Re: Does UA still operate the 737-900 ?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:17 am

Yes, indeed they are the first 12 in the Nxx401-Nxx412 registration sequence. Nxx413 though xx479 are 739ERs
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:54 am

“What is the schedule of delivery for the 13 new 787-9? Which routes are 787-9 going to be flown?“
The first is LN960, and is on the CHS flightline now. (They are all to come from CHS I’m told) The 11th will be LN1048, don’t know of the last two. At, what 14/month (?), this should give a good idea of the delivery schedule.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 1:39 pm

HAPPY 1st DAY OF 2020!
Thanks for the very latest update at the start of the thread. I have brought this up before and got some answers, yet I remain puzzled by something that really stands out to me:

141 737-800’s & 148 737-900’s = 289 737’s (which is a large number of aircraft).
So when flying domestically on UA either of them (-800 & -900) are virtually everywhere! Unless it just happens to be due to the domestic destinations I fly most often, but without even going to UA.com, I just know that if I plug in EWR/LGA to MIA, IAH, TPA, SDF, DEN, ORD, MSY or XYZ, in the mix there will almost always will be a good number of 737-8/9. I know this is the same case for many hubs to wherever. (Indeed many Airbuses, 73G’s and E170/5 too) - but seeing “no changes anticipated” above still surprises me that 289 NB’s have such old interiors and 2 different First Class seats? (With the 738 being the worst)

I understand that that “whole scale” refurbishment of 289 aircraft is probably is not worth the enormous cost, but given United’s stated goals of being the airline people “want” to fly (and especially premium business fliers) that at least the new First Class seat found on all Airbuses, 73G’s and 753’s (and “potentially“ adding 1 or 2 additional rows of F seats as UA is doing elsewhere) ought to be done if any of these 737-8/9’s are going to be in service another 3/4 years. If not for the sake of consistency, at least the new Domestic First seat is better designed, better recline, more storage and better looking.

And I presume the original 2 black granite cocktail tables that moved outward and then extended to each of the 2 pax window/aisle must not have been engineered well, so today they don’t move and locked in place. My question is: UA must still be having those seats manufactured (or were for the MAX’s) did they fix or change those black cocktail trays in anyway?
Are those new First Class seats “off the self” seats or were they designed for UA exclusively? (I ask only because I have only ever encountered that slide forward bottom cushion feature on UA)

Last: why is there such a difference in approach between how European F (Biz) seats on NB’s are simply Y seats with the middle seat blocked, and in North America it’s an entirely different seat? What has driven this different approach? Because on a recent multi hop in Europe on BA, LH and Vueling in “Business” I found BA’s slimline Biz to be so uncomfortable! (But certainly was not as big a price difference between main cabin and Biz as UA, DL & AA)

Thanks zillions, again happy Jan 1 2020!
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Re: Does UA still operate the 737-900 ?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 3:20 pm

Max Q wrote:
Continental took delivery of a small number of 737-924 Non-Er airframes

They were known for their performance limitations

Are these still in the United fleet and operational ?


Yes they are still in the fleet and operational.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:31 pm

319:
N879UA XMN exit cancelled for now

763:
N666UA now sked to exit ILN 2748/2Jan

772:
N78008 sked to enter HKG 179/1Jan, expect Polaris/PP
N78017 sked to exit HKG 862/3Jan with Polaris/PP

78X:
N12010 first revenue flight sked 675/2Jan ORD-DEN
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 4:45 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I am a firm believer since SFO-DEL was successful SFO-BOM can be launched too. Its flying time is similar to SFO-SIN west-bound.


The 787-9 could make the flight, however would likely be weight restricted. LAX/SIN was canceled due to financial reasons partially driven by weight restrictions and it was only 70 mi longer than SFO/BLR, granted polar routes typically have fewer challenges with winds.

While I would love to see this route launch personally, the economics of it may be challenging given the likely weight restrictions and historically competitive pricing from Emirates.

Going from 48J/88Y+/116Y to 48J/21W/39Y+/149Y might also change the economics of the route. If United's got revenue from 21 W seats, maybe that'll make up for a couple blocked Y seats? (I don't have the data so this is wild conjecture – just pointing out between LAX-SIN ending and now the facts on the ground have changed.)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:19 pm

adamblang wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I am a firm believer since SFO-DEL was successful SFO-BOM can be launched too. Its flying time is similar to SFO-SIN west-bound.


The 787-9 could make the flight, however would likely be weight restricted. LAX/SIN was canceled due to financial reasons partially driven by weight restrictions and it was only 70 mi longer than SFO/BLR, granted polar routes typically have fewer challenges with winds.

While I would love to see this route launch personally, the economics of it may be challenging given the likely weight restrictions and historically competitive pricing from Emirates.

Going from 48J/88Y+/116Y to 48J/21W/39Y+/149Y might also change the economics of the route. If United's got revenue from 21 W seats, maybe that'll make up for a couple blocked Y seats? (I don't have the data so this is wild conjecture – just pointing out between LAX-SIN ending and now the facts on the ground have changed.)


Im sure UA will add SFO-BOM in the future, especially with the rumors that are floating around about AI shutting down in the future due to financial issues.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:32 pm

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What is the schedule of delivery for the 13 new 787-9? Which routes are 787-9 going to be flown?


There should be an updated delivery schedule published once the holidays are behind us and its back to business as usual.

Looking at the last delivery schedule which dates back to October 2019, that tentative shows 7 additional 789s being delivered between January 2020 and June 2020. I believe the 6 remaining 789s on order should be delivered between the end of July and the beginning of November 2020. UA in the fall (no firm date has been given) will switch ORD-HND and ORD-GRU to a 787. Based on the 789 delivery schedule I'm thinking these routes will go 789.

As far as 78Xs UA just took delivery of 2 frames I think both were delivered after Christmas. Two more 78Xs should enter the fleet in February 2020 and the last 78X should be delivered in February of 2021.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:35 pm

jayunited wrote:
windycity613 wrote:
What is the schedule of delivery for the 13 new 787-9? Which routes are 787-9 going to be flown?


There should be an updated delivery schedule published once the holidays are behind us and its back to business as usual.

Looking at the last delivery schedule which dates back to October 2019, that tentative shows 7 additional 789s being delivered between January 2020 and June 2020. I believe the 6 remaining 789s on order should be delivered between the end of July and the beginning of November 2020. UA in the fall (no firm date has been given) will switch ORD-HND and ORD-GRU to a 787. Based on the 789 delivery schedule I'm thinking these routes will go 789.

As far as 78Xs UA just took delivery of 2 frames I think both were delivered after Christmas. Two more 78Xs should enter the fleet in February 2020 and the last 78X should be delivered in February of 2021.


^^^this

Don’t forget ALL ORD routes are going to the 787 and all current 787 routes are remaining for now. That’ll eat up a good chunk of the 789s coming next year.
 
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Re: Does UA still operate the 737-900 ?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:43 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Continental took delivery of a small number of 737-924 Non-Er airframes

They were known for their performance limitations

Are these still in the United fleet and operational ?


Yes they are still in the fleet and operational.

And still have the same performance limitations.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:03 pm

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So that the thread doesn't get too large, it's likely that the thread will change to a quarterly or half-year format as opposed to an annual format, so the thread will likely be refreshed at least once this year.

Out of curiosity, what is the benefit of splitting the threads part way through a year? I didn't think it caused a problem that the last thread got to 70 something pages, because if you follow it, the new posts are always at the end and notifications take you to the end anyway. If it is about the ability to go back to discussions from a few months ago to find something, having it split up quarterly would actually make that harder. In the past, when threads would get split up throughout the year, I always had a hard time finding out that the discussion had moved on in a new place, without me.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:16 pm

adamblang wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
x1234 wrote:
I am a firm believer since SFO-DEL was successful SFO-BOM can be launched too. Its flying time is similar to SFO-SIN west-bound.


The 787-9 could make the flight, however would likely be weight restricted. LAX/SIN was canceled due to financial reasons partially driven by weight restrictions and it was only 70 mi longer than SFO/BLR, granted polar routes typically have fewer challenges with winds.

While I would love to see this route launch personally, the economics of it may be challenging given the likely weight restrictions and historically competitive pricing from Emirates.

Going from 48J/88Y+/116Y to 48J/21W/39Y+/149Y might also change the economics of the route. If United's got revenue from 21 W seats, maybe that'll make up for a couple blocked Y seats? (I don't have the data so this is wild conjecture – just pointing out between LAX-SIN ending and now the facts on the ground have changed.)


As much as I would like to see UA on SFO-BOM I don't see it happening and its because of the economics. I think a lot of people are just looking at the nautical miles and saying SFO-SIN is 7340 NM and SFO-BOM would be 7305 NM. Just looking at it from that vantage point or comparing SFO-BOM to LAX-SIN UA's 789s can do SFO-BOM with no issues. The problem a lot of people are overlooking and I brought this up in the 2019 thread is UA's current U.S.-India routes and current fuel requirements, more specifically extra or contingency fuel (not sure if I'm using the proper terminology). Our India flights are dispatch with at least 25,000 - 28,000 pounds of additional fuel again to give the captain plenty of options should a diversion become necessary. No other international routes in our network are dispatched with that amount of fuel remaining in the tanks upon arrival.

UA's SFO-DEL has been averaging around 212,000 pounds of fuel at the gate, the 787 has a fuel tank capacity of 221,000 pounds (depending on density). The nautical miles difference between a SFO-BOM and a SFO-DEL flight is 608 NM. (For comparison purposes lets look at UA's IAH-SYD route at 7470 NM, this route averages 220,000 pounds of gate fuel and lands with around 14,000 - 15,000 pounds remaining in the tanks) There is only a 166 NM difference between UA's IAH-SYD route and a proposed SFO-BOM route. With IAH-SYD going out at near max tanks with 15,000 pounds remaining upon arrival in SYD, UA on a SFO-BOM flight would depart the gate at max tanks but that would mean arriving in BOM with perhaps 16,000 or 17,000 pounds of fuel remaining far below UA's current standard for India flights which is 25,000 - 28,000. Again the extra or excess fuel on our India flight is necessary to give captains options should a diversion become necessary. We don't want aircraft diverting to Iran, Afghanistan, or any of those countries who are not on friendly terms with the U.S. government because the captain only had 15,000 pounds of additional fuel. Having 25,000 - 28,000 pounds give UA captains a lot of options.

UA had to block rows daily on LAX-SIN we ended up having to move the route to SFO going daily double. Looking at that route and knowing the amount of seats UA would need to block to make a SFO-BOM flight work, I don't see UA launching this flight, at least not on a 789.
 
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Re: Does UA still operate the 737-900 ?

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:27 pm

[url][/url]
Scarebus34 wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:
Max Q wrote:
Continental took delivery of a small number of 737-924 Non-Er airframes

They were known for their performance limitations

Are these still in the United fleet and operational ?


Yes they are still in the fleet and operational.

And still have the same performance limitations.


I fly these planes regularly and they can be a challenge at times when an alternate is required. However, United has become quite good at mitigating weight restrictions on the routes they fly. In fact I can’t remember the last time I took a weight restriction in a straight 900. I heard last year that UAL was looking at some used Straight 9’s. The theory was the resale value was very low since not many were produced and the plane is not nearly as capable as the ER version. Since UAL is very adept at operating these, the lower purchase price and the favorable operating costs could make them very attractive for UAL.

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United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 6:58 pm

With all these new 787s and 77Ws coming on board it seems like there should be some significant slack in the 777-200ER fleet.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:15 pm

I'm starting to worry about a scenario in which the Max ends up grounded longer than anyone anticipates. It's sounding now like they won't be airworthy again until at least this summer, but what if it goes longer? UA management has basically said that it's not affecting them that much, but it must, especially given their capacity growth aspirations. There would be a lot more lift in the narrowbody fleet by now, of course.

I also can't help but wonder to what extent this entire fiasco has forced UA to look not just at the A321XLRs but also some A320/321neos for domestic runs to counterbalance the 737s.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:25 pm

intotheair wrote:
I'm starting to worry about a scenario in which the Max ends up grounded longer than anyone anticipates. It's sounding now like they won't be airworthy again until at least this summer, but what if it goes longer? UA management has basically said that it's not affecting them that much, but it must, especially given their capacity growth aspirations. There would be a lot more lift in the narrowbody fleet by now, of course.

I also can't help but wonder to what extent this entire fiasco has forced UA to look not just at the A321XLRs but also some A320/321neos for domestic runs to counterbalance the 737s.


They can’t get NEOs until 2023 at the earliest.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:27 pm

STT757 wrote:
With all these new 787s and 77Ws coming on board it seems like there should be some significant slack in the 777-200ER fleet.


I think we will see some markets go daily like IAD-TLV and might see some new markets announced soon. Might also see some more ERs go for the domestic seating. There are still som RR ERs that have not been to Polaris yet.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:28 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
intotheair wrote:
I'm starting to worry about a scenario in which the Max ends up grounded longer than anyone anticipates. It's sounding now like they won't be airworthy again until at least this summer, but what if it goes longer? UA management has basically said that it's not affecting them that much, but it must, especially given their capacity growth aspirations. There would be a lot more lift in the narrowbody fleet by now, of course.

I also can't help but wonder to what extent this entire fiasco has forced UA to look not just at the A321XLRs but also some A320/321neos for domestic runs to counterbalance the 737s.


They can’t get NEOs until 2023 at the earliest.


Yes, I know any NEO order wouldn’t really help with the Max situation now. But it has to be on their minds more and more as a long term strategic consideration. Between the NEO issues and the Max, the single fleet type philosophy has come into question worldwide.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 7:33 pm

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I'm starting to worry about a scenario in which the Max ends up grounded longer than anyone anticipates. It's sounding now like they won't be airworthy again until at least this summer, but what if it goes longer? UA management has basically said that it's not affecting them that much, but it must, especially given their capacity growth aspirations. There would be a lot more lift in the narrowbody fleet by now, of course.

I also can't help but wonder to what extent this entire fiasco has forced UA to look not just at the A321XLRs but also some A320/321neos for domestic runs to counterbalance the 737s.


They can’t get NEOs until 2023 at the earliest.


Yes, I know any NEO order wouldn’t really help with the Max situation now. But it has to be on their minds more and more as a long term strategic consideration. Between the NEO issues and the Max, the single fleet type philosophy has come into question worldwide.


Well United did buy the XLR so I wouldn’t rule out the NEO. Also I wouldn’t be shocked if United brought back 430 and 431 unless there is a reason I don’t know not too. They were supposed to park a few 319s this a year and didn’t they were also supposed to park a couple more 320s and didn’t. United also bought 20+ 737-700s do this year. They are matching the capacity they lost with MAX.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:16 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
intotheair wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

They can’t get NEOs until 2023 at the earliest.


Yes, I know any NEO order wouldn’t really help with the Max situation now. But it has to be on their minds more and more as a long term strategic consideration. Between the NEO issues and the Max, the single fleet type philosophy has come into question worldwide.


Well United did buy the XLR so I wouldn’t rule out the NEO. Also I wouldn’t be shocked if United brought back 430 and 431 unless there is a reason I don’t know not too. They were supposed to park a few 319s this a year and didn’t they were also supposed to park a couple more 320s and didn’t. United also bought 20+ 737-700s do this year. They are matching the capacity they lost with MAX.


My suspicion is that 430 and 431 will fly again as well. CALTECH made a post towards the end of the 2019 thread that listed both aircraft as "parked", not fully retired. A 319 (N835UA), was parked at GYR waiting on a slot to go through a HMV, it's now due back into service in mid-February. Depending on what happens with the MAX, I can see 430 and 431 getting their HMVs and going back into service.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:25 pm

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With all these new 787s and 77Ws coming on board it seems like there should be some significant slack in the 777-200ER fleet.


I think we will see some markets go daily like IAD-TLV and might see some new markets announced soon. Might also see some more ERs go for the domestic seating. There are still som RR ERs that have not been to Polaris yet.

Are you referring to the PW 77E's? UA doesn't have any RR engines except for the 757's.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:27 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
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With all these new 787s and 77Ws coming on board it seems like there should be some significant slack in the 777-200ER fleet.


I think we will see some markets go daily like IAD-TLV and might see some new markets announced soon. Might also see some more ERs go for the domestic seating. There are still som RR ERs that have not been to Polaris yet.

UA doesn’t have any RR 77Es. I’m pretty sure you meant PW.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:30 pm

cosyr wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
STT757 wrote:
With all these new 787s and 77Ws coming on board it seems like there should be some significant slack in the 777-200ER fleet.


I think we will see some markets go daily like IAD-TLV and might see some new markets announced soon. Might also see some more ERs go for the domestic seating. There are still som RR ERs that have not been to Polaris yet.

Are you referring to the PW 77E's? UA doesn't have any RR engines except for the 757's.


I thought the CO 777s were RR? Are they GE?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 8:54 pm

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Out of curiosity, what is the benefit of splitting the threads part way through a year? I didn't think it caused a problem that the last thread got to 70 something pages, because if you follow it, the new posts are always at the end and notifications take you to the end anyway. If it is about the ability to go back to discussions from a few months ago to find something, having it split up quarterly would actually make that harder. In the past, when threads would get split up throughout the year, I always had a hard time finding out that the discussion had moved on in a new place, without me.

Some people seem to dislike so many pages in the same discussion. I suppose some people feel that fewer pages makes for a more manageable discussion. If that's not the preference, then I won't do it, but that's an issue we can tackle later on.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:05 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
cosyr wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

I think we will see some markets go daily like IAD-TLV and might see some new markets announced soon. Might also see some more ERs go for the domestic seating. There are still som RR ERs that have not been to Polaris yet.

Are you referring to the PW 77E's? UA doesn't have any RR engines except for the 757's.


I thought the CO 777s were RR? Are they GE?


The CO 777s are GE.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:19 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
cosyr wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

I think we will see some markets go daily like IAD-TLV and might see some new markets announced soon. Might also see some more ERs go for the domestic seating. There are still som RR ERs that have not been to Polaris yet.

Are you referring to the PW 77E's? UA doesn't have any RR engines except for the 757's.


I thought the CO 777s were RR? Are they GE?


Well, you thought incorrectly. :)

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:24 pm

CONTACREW wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Are you referring to the PW 77E's? UA doesn't have any RR engines except for the 757's.


I thought the CO 777s were RR? Are they GE?


The CO 777s are GE.


I stand corrected thank you!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 9:34 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Out of curiosity, what is the benefit of splitting the threads part way through a year? I didn't think it caused a problem that the last thread got to 70 something pages, because if you follow it, the new posts are always at the end and notifications take you to the end anyway. If it is about the ability to go back to discussions from a few months ago to find something, having it split up quarterly would actually make that harder. In the past, when threads would get split up throughout the year, I always had a hard time finding out that the discussion had moved on in a new place, without me.

Some people seem to dislike so many pages in the same discussion. I suppose some people feel that fewer pages makes for a more manageable discussion. If that's not the preference, then I won't do it, but that's an issue we can tackle later on.


I guess the issue is, it's still the same discussion, even if it gets split up by month/quarter/year/whatever. So you still have a lot of pages to look through if you're trying to find some info from some time back.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:24 pm

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Yes they are still in the fleet and operational.

And still have the same performance limitations.


I fly these planes regularly and they can be a challenge at times when an alternate is required. However, United has become quite good at mitigating weight restrictions on the routes they fly. In fact I can’t remember the last time I took a weight restriction in a straight 900. I heard last year that UAL was looking at some used Straight 9’s. The theory was the resale value was very low since not many were produced and the plane is not nearly as capable as the ER version. Since UAL is very adept at operating these, the lower purchase price and the favorable operating costs could make them very attractive for UAL.

Eric

With only 12 (8%) of the 739 fleet as non-ER, it seems to be pretty easy for UA to relegate these to shorter haul flights. Pulling up on Flight Aware every 739 non-ER flight in the past couple of weeks are into or out of IAH, which all are pretty usually not an issue for the non-ER 739. Maybe IAH routings are a new way to prevent issues with performance. The only issue would be weather situation or the possibility of reroutes due to weather, maint. etc. Bring on more non-ERs at cheap prices and probably lower landing fees for operations.

Regarding the possibility of SFO-BOM service, the great circle routes of SFO vs. EWR to India shows the SFO flights should be able to avoid Pakistan, Afghanistan, with a route over the point where Mongolia, Kazajhstan, Russia and China meet. However, looking at recent flights the SFO departure goes polar and avoids China, rather heading through Afghanistan & Pakistan. The DEL departures stay south over India, and Japan. Interestingly enough, the east and westbound flights can be up to 4,000 miles apart from each other - one over Greenland, the other 500+ miles south of the Aleutians.
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