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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:24 pm

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Scarebus34 wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:

Yes they are still in the fleet and operational.

And still have the same performance limitations.


I fly these planes regularly and they can be a challenge at times when an alternate is required. However, United has become quite good at mitigating weight restrictions on the routes they fly. In fact I can’t remember the last time I took a weight restriction in a straight 900. I heard last year that UAL was looking at some used Straight 9’s. The theory was the resale value was very low since not many were produced and the plane is not nearly as capable as the ER version. Since UAL is very adept at operating these, the lower purchase price and the favorable operating costs could make them very attractive for UAL.

Eric

With only 12 (8%) of the 739 fleet as non-ER, it seems to be pretty easy for UA to relegate these to shorter haul flights. Pulling up on Flight Aware every 739 non-ER flight in the past couple of weeks are into or out of IAH, which all are pretty usually not an issue for the non-ER 739. Maybe IAH routings are a new way to prevent issues with performance. The only issue would be weather situation or the possibility of reroutes due to weather, maint. etc. Bring on more non-ERs at cheap prices and probably lower landing fees for operations.

Regarding the possibility of SFO-BOM service, the great circle routes of SFO vs. EWR to India shows the SFO flights should be able to avoid Pakistan, Afghanistan, with a route over the point where Mongolia, Kazajhstan, Russia and China meet. However, looking at recent flights the SFO departure goes polar and avoids China, rather heading through Afghanistan & Pakistan. The DEL departures stay south over India, and Japan. Interestingly enough, the east and westbound flights can be up to 4,000 miles apart from each other - one over Greenland, the other 500+ miles south of the Aleutians.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:36 pm

Seems DEN is getting some filling out
DEN-MSN 3x > 4x, 2x A320, 2x CR7
DEN-MKE 3x > 4x, 1x A320, 1x E75, 2x CR7
DEN-BNA 4x > 5x, 1x A320, 4x E75
CPR is getting some E75s throughout the spring, upgauging from CRJs only but some other cities see downgauges YOY as with STL/CVG
I could find more later, but do we know United's longer term bank structure plans?
I know they're switching morning banks back to what they were before last year's reversal but do we know anything else? It seems the current schedule still leaves some large middle of the day gaps going west.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:43 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
With only 12 (8%) of the 739 fleet as non-ER, it seems to be pretty easy for UA to relegate these to shorter haul flights. Pulling up on Flight Aware every 739 non-ER flight in the past couple of weeks are into or out of IAH, which all are pretty usually not an issue for the non-ER 739. Maybe IAH routings are a new way to prevent issues with performance.

Yup, but it's not so new.

UA has been doing this for a while (at least two years, perhaps longer) and it makes sense. The straight 900s are performance dogs but can manage IAH to other sea level airports with 10000ft runways.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 01, 2020 11:53 pm

Anyone know how many Maxes UA was supposed to have by now? Will they be delivered in 1 swoop once the grounding is over?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:06 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Anyone know how many Maxes UA was supposed to have by now? Will they be delivered in 1 swoop once the grounding is over?


30........
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:13 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Anyone know how many Maxes UA was supposed to have by now? Will they be delivered in 1 swoop once the grounding is over?


30........

And how many are they supposed to receive in the first half and second half of 2020?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:02 am

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intotheair wrote:
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They can’t get NEOs until 2023 at the earliest.


Yes, I know any NEO order wouldn’t really help with the Max situation now. But it has to be on their minds more and more as a long term strategic consideration. Between the NEO issues and the Max, the single fleet type philosophy has come into question worldwide.


Well United did buy the XLR so I wouldn’t rule out the NEO. Also I wouldn’t be shocked if United brought back 430 and 431 unless there is a reason I don’t know not too. They were supposed to park a few 319s this a year and didn’t they were also supposed to park a couple more 320s and didn’t. United also bought 20+ 737-700s do this year. They are matching the capacity they lost with MAX.

The XLR is a NEO.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 2:19 am

flight152 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
intotheair wrote:

Yes, I know any NEO order wouldn’t really help with the Max situation now. But it has to be on their minds more and more as a long term strategic consideration. Between the NEO issues and the Max, the single fleet type philosophy has come into question worldwide.


Well United did buy the XLR so I wouldn’t rule out the NEO. Also I wouldn’t be shocked if United brought back 430 and 431 unless there is a reason I don’t know not too. They were supposed to park a few 319s this a year and didn’t they were also supposed to park a couple more 320s and didn’t. United also bought 20+ 737-700s do this year. They are matching the capacity they lost with MAX.

The XLR is a NEO.


There’s kinda a big difference between the two.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 1:19 pm

I haven't heard whether UA selected an engine for the XLR with their order. Does anyone know? I know they still have plenty of time before they're getting them. The Leap engines might make sense, from a maintenance knowledge standpoint, even if the parts aren't compatible with the MAX's, but UA didn't go with CFM for their CEO 320/319's despite having a 737 fleet at the time they got those in the 90's.

I don't know if the PW's have a fuel advantage or a Hot/High disadvantage (which I have been told was the main reason they went with IAE's on the old fleet), but I'm sure UA will be considering whether they want 319 or 320 NEO's before deciding on the XLR's. 2023 may be about the right time to start replacing older 320's, and then it won't be long before the oldest 737NG's are getting on 25+ years old.

After the MAX grounding, the fleet simplicity benefit might be outweighed by the greater reliance on a single fleet type. The advantages gained by fewer fleet types aren't as crucial now that US airlines are more than double the size they were in the 90's, and in the 90's, most airlines had at least two narrowbody manufacturers, between MD, Fokker, Boeing and Airbus.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 4:21 pm

The next ex-CZ A319 is en route to ORD today (courtesy of skyliner-aviation.de):

Airbus A319-133 2408 N879UA United Airlines delivery 02 Jan 2020 XMN-NRT-ANC-ORD, ex B-2295
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 6:39 pm

The new livery 78X made an appearance in Denver today. I believe it is the first wide body we have received in the new colors. Looks super sharp on the widebody in person.

I think the bigger the plane the better it looks. The 737-800 and RJ's look awkward.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:04 pm

jetmatt777 wrote:
The new livery 78X made an appearance in Denver today. I believe it is the first wide body we have received in the new colors. Looks super sharp on the widebody in person.

I think the bigger the plane the better it looks. The 737-800 and RJ's look awkward.

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We received a 77-300ER last month I. The new colors and took delivery of another a couple days ago.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:52 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
The new livery 78X made an appearance in Denver today. I believe it is the first wide body we have received in the new colors. Looks super sharp on the widebody in person.

I think the bigger the plane the better it looks. The 737-800 and RJ's look awkward.

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We received a 77-300ER last month I. The new colors and took delivery of another a couple days ago.


I was referring to Denver. This id the first widebody in the new colors to come to Denver
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:05 pm

The new tail really "pops"... driving past EWR on the NJ Turnpike, it's notable how much aircraft in the EvoBlue livery stand out compared to the old.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:08 pm

VC10er wrote:
Last: why is there such a difference in approach between how European F (Biz) seats on NB’s are simply Y seats with the middle seat blocked, and in North America it’s an entirely different seat? What has driven this different approach? Because on a recent multi hop in Europe on BA, LH and Vueling in “Business” I found BA’s slimline Biz to be so uncomfortable! (But certainly was not as big a price difference between main cabin and Biz as UA, DL & AA)


Guess: Flights are in general shorter in Europe as the population is more concentrated compared to North America where the coasts are densely populated with a lot of "fly over country" inbetween. Hence the seats are not as important and airlines value the flexibility of being able change the amount of the cabin sold as premium.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 8:30 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
flight152 wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:

Well United did buy the XLR so I wouldn’t rule out the NEO. Also I wouldn’t be shocked if United brought back 430 and 431 unless there is a reason I don’t know not too. They were supposed to park a few 319s this a year and didn’t they were also supposed to park a couple more 320s and didn’t. United also bought 20+ 737-700s do this year. They are matching the capacity they lost with MAX.

The XLR is a NEO.


There’s kinda a big difference between the two.

You’ll have to tell Airbus. The LR and XLR are listed under the A321 NEO category tab.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 9:25 pm

Any plans for free alcohol in E+ in 2020 to follow DL and AA’s lead?

In the same vein, how about allowing a carry on for BE? I’m thinking we won’t see that until UA adds more overhead bin space.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:11 pm

codc10 wrote:
The new tail really "pops"... driving past EWR on the NJ Turnpike, it's notable how much aircraft in the EvoBlue livery stand out compared to the old.


I noticed that too, it really pops against the dreary winter skies.


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:21 pm

STT757 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
The new tail really "pops"... driving past EWR on the NJ Turnpike, it's notable how much aircraft in the EvoBlue livery stand out compared to the old.


I noticed that too, it really pops against the dreary winter skies.


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I think it looks terrific at night too, against a dark sky. Unfortunately it seems a lot of pilots don't turn the logo lights on. Or the bulbs are burned out.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:23 pm

amtravels wrote:
Any plans for free alcohol in E+ in 2020 to follow DL and AA’s lead?

Probably not, since UA has more Y+ seats than DL/AA and gives more away for free.
 
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Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:37 pm

cosyr wrote:
amtravels wrote:
Any plans for free alcohol in E+ in 2020 to follow DL and AA’s lead?

Probably not, since UA has more Y+ seats than DL/AA and gives more away for free.


Would be nice to issue a voucher for 1 free drink with a paid purchase or upgrade into Y+.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 02, 2020 11:57 pm

Which ERJ-145 (non-XR) has been painted? I only know of the 5 145XRs wearing the evo colors
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:30 am

cosyr wrote:
amtravels wrote:
Any plans for free alcohol in E+ in 2020 to follow DL and AA’s lead?

Probably not, since UA has more Y+ seats than DL/AA and gives more away for free.


More people would probably pay up to it if they offered more with it.

I wonder why AA and UA haven’t followed DL’s choice to have E+ as a separate booking class. Do the costs to change their reservation system outweigh the benefits? Or do they see higher revenue potential by having it as an upgrade when choosing seat assignments?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:38 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
I think it looks terrific at night too, against a dark sky. Unfortunately it seems a lot of pilots don't turn the logo lights on. Or the bulbs are burned out.


Years ago we (ORD ATC) were told that UA had decided to disconnect the logo lights on the entire fleet because they were actually an MEL item if INOP but if they were purposely disconnected it wasn't an issue. We had questioned UA ops with it because the Battleship gray liver absolutely sucked for tower controllers to visually identify UA planes at night or in low vis conditions. We used to joke that the official color of the planes was "wet concrete".

Can someone confirm if this fact/urban legend is still valid?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:42 am

I asked this in the last thread but didn't get an answer, does anyone know when the next 75 is in for paint and how many will receive the new colours?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 12:53 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
I think it looks terrific at night too, against a dark sky. Unfortunately it seems a lot of pilots don't turn the logo lights on. Or the bulbs are burned out.


Years ago we (ORD ATC) were told that UA had decided to disconnect the logo lights on the entire fleet because they were actually an MEL item if INOP but if they were purposely disconnected it wasn't an issue. We had questioned UA ops with it because the Battleship gray liver absolutely sucked for tower controllers to visually identify UA planes at night or in low vis conditions. We used to joke that the official color of the planes was "wet concrete".

Can someone confirm if this fact/urban legend is still valid?


I see some on. I think they work, just maybe some pilots don't bother with it.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:03 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
I think it looks terrific at night too, against a dark sky. Unfortunately it seems a lot of pilots don't turn the logo lights on. Or the bulbs are burned out.


Years ago we (ORD ATC) were told that UA had decided to disconnect the logo lights on the entire fleet because they were actually an MEL item if INOP but if they were purposely disconnected it wasn't an issue. We had questioned UA ops with it because the Battleship gray liver absolutely sucked for tower controllers to visually identify UA planes at night or in low vis conditions. We used to joke that the official color of the planes was "wet concrete".

Can someone confirm if this fact/urban legend is still valid?


They should always be on. I can’t comment on procedures during UAL’s battleship grey days, but, it’s standard procedure to have them on now. If they are inop it’s an easy MEL procedure to defer them until a repair can be made.

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:07 am

"Forgetting" to turn on logo lights has sometimes been a silent protest by pilots during particularly contentious labor relations periods, especially at UA.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:19 am

On the Airbus fleet only some aircraft have logo lights installed. I don't know the rhyme or reason as to why.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:21 am

I remember TWA aircraft always seemed to have their logo lights the brightest. They stood out at night while driving past on the Turnpike.


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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:27 am

STT757 wrote:
I remember TWA aircraft always seemed to have their logo lights the brightest. They stood out at night while driving past on the Turnpike.


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IIRC, logo lights were actually a TWA innovation (707), and for a while they were the only airline to have them.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:50 am

There are more interesting tidbits from the Scott Kirby notes at Airline Pilot Central Forums: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/126073-scott-kirby-sfo-notes.html

Returning to OAK, most likely from DEN
Not planning to go back into JFK due to no gates and space. Planning to add flights into OAK maybe next year.


IAD to 450 flights
IAD is now the 2nd most profitable hub. Planning to grow major there. Currently @270 dep a day, planned to go to 450+ dep a day with 7 banks. Because of this planning a major upgrade to terminal and facilities now. Said he is very excited about the potential at IAD due to it not being gate and space limited.


IAH to ~600-700
Growing IAH this year, going from 600-700 flights this year. Houston is dependent on Latin America. Their economies have been down but coming back. We’re largest carrier into MEX.


And Kirby hinted elsewhere at DEN going to between 500 and 700 flights!
https://skift.com/2019/09/12/united-airlines-plays-up-its-denver-advantage-as-global-routes-suffer/
United may grow more in Denver, Kirby said, though the airline has not yet decided how much. He suggested it could be between about 500 daily flights and 720. Delta operates the largest U.S. airline hub in Atlanta, with more than 1,000 departures.


Where are all these flights going to come from if the MAX grounding doesn't end soon?
I know most of these are regional but really aggressive stance everywhere.
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:30 am

SumChristianus wrote:
There are more interesting tidbits from the Scott Kirby notes at Airline Pilot Central Forums: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/126073-scott-kirby-sfo-notes.html
.


This tidbit seems pretty huge and I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere before. I'm guessing that once this deal is inked and official, we'll see an update on the fleet page.

"Many airlines are deferring MAX orders and United is scooping them up. Once it is cleared to fly we will have a lot coming to us."

I knew UA was getting some WN 737s returned off leases but never saw a firm number before now.

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Fri Jan 03, 2020 3:53 am

cosyr wrote:
amtravels wrote:
Any plans for free alcohol in E+ in 2020 to follow DL and AA’s lead?

Probably not, since UA has more Y+ seats than DL/AA and gives more away for free.

What exactly does UA “give more away” of?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:02 am

amtravels wrote:
cosyr wrote:
amtravels wrote:
Any plans for free alcohol in E+ in 2020 to follow DL and AA’s lead?

Probably not, since UA has more Y+ seats than DL/AA and gives more away for free.

What exactly does UA “give more away” of?


Seat assignments in Y+ sections. 1: a lot of their agents really don't care about upselling them. 2: any unassigned at the time the gate takes control of the flight go to people without seat assignments. They MAY have tweaked it in regards to Basic Economy since I stopped working as an agent for them, but at the time I left in 2018 it was pretty much "Give whoever needs a seat whatever seat's available."
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:10 am

SumChristianus wrote:
There are more interesting tidbits from the Scott Kirby notes at Airline Pilot Central Forums: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/126073-scott-kirby-sfo-notes.html

Returning to OAK, most likely from DEN
Not planning to go back into JFK due to no gates and space. Planning to add flights into OAK maybe next year.


IAD to 450 flights
IAD is now the 2nd most profitable hub. Planning to grow major there. Currently @270 dep a day, planned to go to 450+ dep a day with 7 banks. Because of this planning a major upgrade to terminal and facilities now. Said he is very excited about the potential at IAD due to it not being gate and space limited.


IAH to ~600-700
Growing IAH this year, going from 600-700 flights this year. Houston is dependent on Latin America. Their economies have been down but coming back. We’re largest carrier into MEX.


And Kirby hinted elsewhere at DEN going to between 500 and 700 flights!
https://skift.com/2019/09/12/united-airlines-plays-up-its-denver-advantage-as-global-routes-suffer/
United may grow more in Denver, Kirby said, though the airline has not yet decided how much. He suggested it could be between about 500 daily flights and 720. Delta operates the largest U.S. airline hub in Atlanta, with more than 1,000 departures.


Where are all these flights going to come from if the MAX grounding doesn't end soon?
I know most of these are regional but really aggressive stance everywhere.


Something else in there seemed really interesting. He said something like planes they plan on keeping for the next 4.5+ years will get a cabin refresh over the next “several years.” Could this mean the 737 fleet will be fully updated to the new first class seats?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:31 am

What’s the latest on when the DirecTV contract ends? If it’s relatively soon they are likely going to wait until it ends for the 737 fleet before they replace the F seats. No sense of replacing them only to have to go back and pull the screens out in a short timeframe.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 7:15 am

GmoneyCO wrote:
What’s the latest on when the DirecTV contract ends? If it’s relatively soon they are likely going to wait until it ends for the 737 fleet before they replace the F seats. No sense of replacing them only to have to go back and pull the screens out in a short timeframe.

Man I can’t wait until they rip all those screens and their idiotically-placed armrest remotes out.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 8:00 am

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Could this mean the 737 fleet will be fully updated to the new first class seats?

Sounds like it, which is great to hear. Consistency is key, and it seems the current team has been very good about stepping up that delivery.
I have never seen an airline turn around so fast - the 800lb gorilla has finally awoken from its slumber. IAD to 400+ flights, flexing its muscle in DEN, finally moving the 787 into ORD... there is so much going on, it's really quite incredible.
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:11 pm

antoniemey wrote:
amtravels wrote:
cosyr wrote:
Probably not, since UA has more Y+ seats than DL/AA and gives more away for free.

What exactly does UA “give more away” of?


Seat assignments in Y+ sections. 1: a lot of their agents really don't care about upselling them. 2: any unassigned at the time the gate takes control of the flight go to people without seat assignments. They MAY have tweaked it in regards to Basic Economy since I stopped working as an agent for them, but at the time I left in 2018 it was pretty much "Give whoever needs a seat whatever seat's available."

I was also referring to the fact that Silvers can get Y+ free, which is not the case on DL. I don't know about AA.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:51 pm

panam330 wrote:
unitedewr737 wrote:
Could this mean the 737 fleet will be fully updated to the new first class seats?

Sounds like it, which is great to hear. Consistency is key, and it seems the current team has been very good about stepping up that delivery.
I have never seen an airline turn around so fast - the 800lb gorilla has finally awoken from its slumber. IAD to 400+ flights, flexing its muscle in DEN, finally moving the 787 into ORD... there is so much going on, it's really quite incredible.

If everything goes as planned, IAD is almost going to double, more growth at DEN, EWR will see more O&D routes, and IAH should once again become UA’s busiest hub with 700+ flights a day.

How exciting, I can’t wait!
 
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Fri Jan 03, 2020 1:58 pm

cosyr wrote:
antoniemey wrote:
amtravels wrote:
What exactly does UA “give more away” of?


Seat assignments in Y+ sections. 1: a lot of their agents really don't care about upselling them. 2: any unassigned at the time the gate takes control of the flight go to people without seat assignments. They MAY have tweaked it in regards to Basic Economy since I stopped working as an agent for them, but at the time I left in 2018 it was pretty much "Give whoever needs a seat whatever seat's available."

I was also referring to the fact that Silvers can get Y+ free, which is not the case on DL. I don't know about AA.


Both of you (cosyr and antoniemey) are correct UA has a larger Y+ section and MP Silvers can get Y+ for free, and there are times when basic economy passengers have been assigned Y+ seats but UA has gotten much better at seat assignments in 2019 its not as bad as it was in 2018 when a large percentage of basic economy passengers ended up in a Y+ seat.

Now on UA's premium transcontinental service (EWR-SFO/LAX, and BOS-SFO) basic economy passengers can only be assigned a Y+ seat if there are no seats available in regular economy this is because on those routes UA does provide complementary hot entree service and free alcohol to passengers in Y+. It is my understanding (and I could be wrong) that SHARES has been programed to assign basic economy passengers to open seats in regular economy on those routes (SHARES has not been programed to do this system wide) and on the premium routes Y+ is assigned as a absolute last resort.

UA has been offering free hot entrees and free liquor on our premium transcontinental routes for almost a year if I'm not mistaken. I thing those 3 routes are serving as a beta test to see if UA can (should) roll this program out system wide.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:11 pm

SumChristianus wrote:
There are more interesting tidbits from the Scott Kirby notes at Airline Pilot Central Forums: https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/united/126073-scott-kirby-sfo-notes.html

Returning to OAK, most likely from DEN
Not planning to go back into JFK due to no gates and space. Planning to add flights into OAK maybe next year.


IAD to 450 flights
IAD is now the 2nd most profitable hub. Planning to grow major there. Currently @270 dep a day, planned to go to 450+ dep a day with 7 banks. Because of this planning a major upgrade to terminal and facilities now. Said he is very excited about the potential at IAD due to it not being gate and space limited.


IAH to ~600-700
Growing IAH this year, going from 600-700 flights this year. Houston is dependent on Latin America. Their economies have been down but coming back. We’re largest carrier into MEX.


And Kirby hinted elsewhere at DEN going to between 500 and 700 flights!
https://skift.com/2019/09/12/united-airlines-plays-up-its-denver-advantage-as-global-routes-suffer/
United may grow more in Denver, Kirby said, though the airline has not yet decided how much. He suggested it could be between about 500 daily flights and 720. Delta operates the largest U.S. airline hub in Atlanta, with more than 1,000 departures.


Where are all these flights going to come from if the MAX grounding doesn't end soon?
I know most of these are regional but really aggressive stance everywhere.


CLE will only fly to and from a hub. It’s not going to be a base again.


What do they plan to do with the DCA & LGA slots?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 2:24 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
panam330 wrote:
unitedewr737 wrote:
Could this mean the 737 fleet will be fully updated to the new first class seats?

Sounds like it, which is great to hear. Consistency is key, and it seems the current team has been very good about stepping up that delivery.
I have never seen an airline turn around so fast - the 800lb gorilla has finally awoken from its slumber. IAD to 400+ flights, flexing its muscle in DEN, finally moving the 787 into ORD... there is so much going on, it's really quite incredible.

If everything goes as planned, IAD is almost going to double, more growth at DEN, EWR will see more O&D routes, and IAH should once again become UA’s busiest hub with 700+ flights a day.

How exciting, I can’t wait!


I like Scott Kirbys wish list it is very aggressive but the truth is DL showed UA the road map to profitability, and both DL and WN showed UA there is money to be made in the domestic market, something UA years ago said was impossible.

Having said that I think the two wild cards are the economy and the MAX. If the economy remains strong UA's biggest hurdle becomes the MAX and if the MAX remaining grounded into the summer travel season I think the 2 hubs UA would focus on in 2020 would be first and foremost DEN, followed by IAD. Right now DEN is UA's number one target for growth and IAD with it new lower cost has become competitive and will allow UA to shift some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. Without the MAX I think IAH's growth would be tempered and any meaningful growth might have to wait till 2021 (hopefully the MAX will be in the air before 2021).

Another thing no one is talking about is IAD is now UA second most profitable hub right behind DEN. At one point MWAA thought their CPE would exceed $31 dollars, but some how they have gotten their cost under control and today their CPE is under $17 dollars. If MWAA can keep their CPE cost under control I can see UA hitting 450 daily departures in 2 or perhaps 3 years.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:48 pm

jayunited wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
panam330 wrote:
Sounds like it, which is great to hear. Consistency is key, and it seems the current team has been very good about stepping up that delivery.
I have never seen an airline turn around so fast - the 800lb gorilla has finally awoken from its slumber. IAD to 400+ flights, flexing its muscle in DEN, finally moving the 787 into ORD... there is so much going on, it's really quite incredible.

If everything goes as planned, IAD is almost going to double, more growth at DEN, EWR will see more O&D routes, and IAH should once again become UA’s busiest hub with 700+ flights a day.

How exciting, I can’t wait!


I like Scott Kirbys wish list it is very aggressive but the truth is DL showed UA the road map to profitability, and both DL and WN showed UA there is money to be made in the domestic market, something UA years ago said was impossible.

Having said that I think the two wild cards are the economy and the MAX. If the economy remains strong UA's biggest hurdle becomes the MAX and if the MAX remaining grounded into the summer travel season I think the 2 hubs UA would focus on in 2020 would be first and foremost DEN, followed by IAD. Right now DEN is UA's number one target for growth and IAD with it new lower cost has become competitive and will allow UA to shift some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. Without the MAX I think IAH's growth would be tempered and any meaningful growth might have to wait till 2021 (hopefully the MAX will be in the air before 2021).

Another thing no one is talking about is IAD is now UA second most profitable hub right behind DEN. At one point MWAA thought their CPE would exceed $31 dollars, but some how they have gotten their cost under control and today their CPE is under $17 dollars. If MWAA can keep their CPE cost under control I can see UA hitting 450 daily departures in 2 or perhaps 3 years.


The IAD CPE is also a self-reinforcing pattern. Part of the reason the IAD CPE was so high was because of the high costs at Dulles (the 'C' of CPE), but the other reason was that United kept cutting operations at Dulles (the 'PE' part of CPE) and the cost per enplanement spiked. Now, MWAA has a better handle on overall costs and United is increasing enplanements - which is a great recipe to drive the unit costs down - hopefully, down to the point where investing in new facilities makes sense.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:54 pm

amtravels wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
What’s the latest on when the DirecTV contract ends? If it’s relatively soon they are likely going to wait until it ends for the 737 fleet before they replace the F seats. No sense of replacing them only to have to go back and pull the screens out in a short timeframe.

Man I can’t wait until they rip all those screens and their idiotically-placed armrest remotes out.



haha, yeah i hate those armrest remotes!!! shame on that person who designed that........
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 4:58 pm

jayunited wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
panam330 wrote:
Sounds like it, which is great to hear. Consistency is key, and it seems the current team has been very good about stepping up that delivery.
I have never seen an airline turn around so fast - the 800lb gorilla has finally awoken from its slumber. IAD to 400+ flights, flexing its muscle in DEN, finally moving the 787 into ORD... there is so much going on, it's really quite incredible.

If everything goes as planned, IAD is almost going to double, more growth at DEN, EWR will see more O&D routes, and IAH should once again become UA’s busiest hub with 700+ flights a day.

How exciting, I can’t wait!


I like Scott Kirbys wish list it is very aggressive but the truth is DL showed UA the road map to profitability, and both DL and WN showed UA there is money to be made in the domestic market, something UA years ago said was impossible.

Having said that I think the two wild cards are the economy and the MAX. If the economy remains strong UA's biggest hurdle becomes the MAX and if the MAX remaining grounded into the summer travel season I think the 2 hubs UA would focus on in 2020 would be first and foremost DEN, followed by IAD. Right now DEN is UA's number one target for growth and IAD with it new lower cost has become competitive and will allow UA to shift some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. Without the MAX I think IAH's growth would be tempered and any meaningful growth might have to wait till 2021 (hopefully the MAX will be in the air before 2021).

Another thing no one is talking about is IAD is now UA second most profitable hub right behind DEN. At one point MWAA thought their CPE would exceed $31 dollars, but some how they have gotten their cost under control and today their CPE is under $17 dollars. If MWAA can keep their CPE cost under control I can see UA hitting 450 daily departures in 2 or perhaps 3 years.



IAD is the quiet hub that one one talks about. Has UA invested in remodeling Concourse C? i flew out of there a few months ago....and that terminal was showings it's age....

Who think's IAD could use an additional terminal?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:01 pm

xxcr wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
If everything goes as planned, IAD is almost going to double, more growth at DEN, EWR will see more O&D routes, and IAH should once again become UA’s busiest hub with 700+ flights a day.

How exciting, I can’t wait!


I like Scott Kirbys wish list it is very aggressive but the truth is DL showed UA the road map to profitability, and both DL and WN showed UA there is money to be made in the domestic market, something UA years ago said was impossible.

Having said that I think the two wild cards are the economy and the MAX. If the economy remains strong UA's biggest hurdle becomes the MAX and if the MAX remaining grounded into the summer travel season I think the 2 hubs UA would focus on in 2020 would be first and foremost DEN, followed by IAD. Right now DEN is UA's number one target for growth and IAD with it new lower cost has become competitive and will allow UA to shift some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. Without the MAX I think IAH's growth would be tempered and any meaningful growth might have to wait till 2021 (hopefully the MAX will be in the air before 2021).

Another thing no one is talking about is IAD is now UA second most profitable hub right behind DEN. At one point MWAA thought their CPE would exceed $31 dollars, but some how they have gotten their cost under control and today their CPE is under $17 dollars. If MWAA can keep their CPE cost under control I can see UA hitting 450 daily departures in 2 or perhaps 3 years.



IAD is the quiet hub that one one talks about. Has UA invested in remodeling Concourse C? i flew out of there a few months ago....and that terminal was showings it's age....

Who think's IAD could use an additional terminal?


There's a pretty long-running discussion of C on the DC-specific threads on this board. Short story is that yes, a fair amount of money has gone into sprucing up C (which has a Polaris lounge under construction), but there's only so much lipstick one can put on a pig. It used to be much worse and won't be much better any time soon; the replacement of C/D - which was supposed to be a temporary building - is well into the future.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:52 pm

xxcr wrote:
amtravels wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
What’s the latest on when the DirecTV contract ends? If it’s relatively soon they are likely going to wait until it ends for the 737 fleet before they replace the F seats. No sense of replacing them only to have to go back and pull the screens out in a short timeframe.

Man I can’t wait until they rip all those screens and their idiotically-placed armrest remotes out.



haha, yeah i hate those armrest remotes!!! shame on that person who designed that........


That person is still around, they designed the new HD 777-200 config with the flight attendant call button right where your elbow rests, the concert all the way to Hawaii is mesmerizing.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Jan 03, 2020 5:57 pm

IADCA wrote:
xxcr wrote:
jayunited wrote:

I like Scott Kirbys wish list it is very aggressive but the truth is DL showed UA the road map to profitability, and both DL and WN showed UA there is money to be made in the domestic market, something UA years ago said was impossible.

Having said that I think the two wild cards are the economy and the MAX. If the economy remains strong UA's biggest hurdle becomes the MAX and if the MAX remaining grounded into the summer travel season I think the 2 hubs UA would focus on in 2020 would be first and foremost DEN, followed by IAD. Right now DEN is UA's number one target for growth and IAD with it new lower cost has become competitive and will allow UA to shift some connecting traffic from EWR to IAD. Without the MAX I think IAH's growth would be tempered and any meaningful growth might have to wait till 2021 (hopefully the MAX will be in the air before 2021).

Another thing no one is talking about is IAD is now UA second most profitable hub right behind DEN. At one point MWAA thought their CPE would exceed $31 dollars, but some how they have gotten their cost under control and today their CPE is under $17 dollars. If MWAA can keep their CPE cost under control I can see UA hitting 450 daily departures in 2 or perhaps 3 years.



IAD is the quiet hub that one one talks about. Has UA invested in remodeling Concourse C? i flew out of there a few months ago....and that terminal was showings it's age....

Who think's IAD could use an additional terminal?


There's a pretty long-running discussion of C on the DC-specific threads on this board. Short story is that yes, a fair amount of money has gone into sprucing up C (which has a Polaris lounge under construction), but there's only so much lipstick one can put on a pig. It used to be much worse and won't be much better any time soon; the replacement of C/D - which was supposed to be a temporary building - is well into the future.

If UA is really serious about growing IAD to 450 daily flights, then the replacement for C/D will come much sooner than later.
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