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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 5:26 pm

You can see what the airport has in mind for all of its redevelopment in this PDF. Also worth pointing out that they eventually want to consolidate to a single security checkpoint and FIS in the international terminal.

http://media.flysfo.com.s3.amazonaws.co ... _Alone.pdf
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:32 pm

United787 wrote:
nomorerjs wrote:
How is UA going to grow at EWR / ORD / SFO until new gates are built? DEN / IAD / IAH are logically growth points. Where will the planes come from?


New gates for UA (and all others) are in the final stages of design for ORD. With the runway reconfiguration almost complete, once the new gates are constructed, ORD will be ready for some serious growth. But that is a few years down the road.

How much though? In my very unscientific counting of the renderings of the proposed design, it doesn't look like UA will be gaining very many gates. When you subtract out all of Terminal 2 and the gates at the ends of B and C where the new concourses are attached, it is almost exactly equal to the number of gates built on the two new satellites. Obviously, the new Terminal 2 will add some gates, but those are just moving from Terminal 5 and we don't know how much UA will get to use them vs AA. I assume some of the existing B/C gates will be converted to regional gates, allowing a few more stands in what is currently mainline, and the new gates will be able to accommodate larger aircraft for a net gain in capacity, but the biggest improvements from this project seem to be about improving airport quality and operation reliability. Does anyone have a proposed number of gates when all construction at ORD is done vs now?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 6:53 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
drmlnr1 wrote:
Is ua going to ever take delivery of those 4 former shaheen airbus A319’s stored at GYR

I believe the plan is to get most, if not all, of the ex-CZ craft inducted first. Alternatively I’ve also heard these others may be just for spare parts.

Thanks for that!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 07, 2020 8:43 pm

cosyr wrote:
United787 wrote:
nomorerjs wrote:
How is UA going to grow at EWR / ORD / SFO until new gates are built? DEN / IAD / IAH are logically growth points. Where will the planes come from?


New gates for UA (and all others) are in the final stages of design for ORD. With the runway reconfiguration almost complete, once the new gates are constructed, ORD will be ready for some serious growth. But that is a few years down the road.

How much though? In my very unscientific counting of the renderings of the proposed design, it doesn't look like UA will be gaining very many gates. When you subtract out all of Terminal 2 and the gates at the ends of B and C where the new concourses are attached, it is almost exactly equal to the number of gates built on the two new satellites. Obviously, the new Terminal 2 will add some gates, but those are just moving from Terminal 5 and we don't know how much UA will get to use them vs AA. I assume some of the existing B/C gates will be converted to regional gates, allowing a few more stands in what is currently mainline, and the new gates will be able to accommodate larger aircraft for a net gain in capacity, but the biggest improvements from this project seem to be about improving airport quality and operation reliability. Does anyone have a proposed number of gates when all construction at ORD is done vs now?


The ORD 21 website indicates the plan will increase the airport's 'gate frontage' by 25%.

All the airlines signed the new Use and Lease agreement, which designates how many gates each airline will get. This agreement was what secured the funding to pay for the whole project.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:45 am

78J
N14011 First $ flight planned UA1889 IADDEN 8Jan...
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:15 am

772:
N788UA could have arrived XMN maint 2740/8Jan, FR24 shows arrival, UA.com says cxld

Currently 6 aircraft now in INT. Wondering if at least some are related to WiFi upgrades.
73G: N24706 entered 1/6/20
73G: N16709 entered 1/1/20
738: N14211 entered 1/7/20
738: N27213 entered 12/28/19
739: N69840 entered 1/6/20
739: N62883 entered 1/7/20
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 1:50 pm

cosyr wrote:
How much though? In my very unscientific counting of the renderings of the proposed design, it doesn't look like UA will be gaining very many gates. When you subtract out all of Terminal 2 and the gates at the ends of B and C where the new concourses are attached, it is almost exactly equal to the number of gates built on the two new satellites. Obviously, the new Terminal 2 will add some gates, but those are just moving from Terminal 5 and we don't know how much UA will get to use them vs AA. I assume some of the existing B/C gates will be converted to regional gates, allowing a few more stands in what is currently mainline, and the new gates will be able to accommodate larger aircraft for a net gain in capacity, but the biggest improvements from this project seem to be about improving airport quality and operation reliability. Does anyone have a proposed number of gates when all construction at ORD is done vs now?



Quick question are you taking into account both satellite concourses?

American will keep all of T3 and most of their G concourse gates. For UA terminal 2 will remain as is until terminal 5 construction is complete and I believe one of the satellite concourses are built. Once those projects are done Delta would move over to terminal 5 and UA would move our UAX operations out of terminal 2 and we would have full use of the first completed satellite concourse while the second satellite concourse and the all new World Terminal are being built.

The City of Chicago has stated over and over again there will be a 25% increase in gates at ORD it has also said the number of available gates would not be reduced during construction, this is something I know UA fought hard to maintain. I believe when it all over UA and Star will get most of the gates at the 2 satellite terminals. (I believe some of those gates on the satellite terminals are supposed to be multi use gates but UA secured a deal with Chicago giving UA and Star preferred access to the gates. I think UA also will get the 2 or 3 gates in the new World Terminal nearest what would be consider B3. American will get all of terminal 3 including the entire L concourse which I believe they are currently sharing. American and One World will have the 9 or 10 gates located within the new World Terminal and American could pour some money into the G concourse to handle widebodies and if they wanted AA could potentially link the G concourse to the customs and immigration facilities located within the World Terminal. Also don't forget AA temporarily redrew their support for the World Terminal because of what they called a secret deal that gave UA more gates. AA reinstated their support soon after because this deal is still a win for them as well.

Also keep in mind the renderings showing the placement of jet bridges can still be changed and I expect UA will reconfigure gates on the existing B and C concourse. I think gate areas like those from B14 through B18 and the even side of C10 through C20 (even side only) can be reconfigured and more gates can fit into those areas if UA chooses to move all widebody flights from those gates to the new widebody gates within the new satellite terminal. UA could also move the Polaris and United Club from their current location on the C concourse to a new location within the new satellite concourse and replace those locations with new gate areas complete with jet bridges for narrow body mainline aircraft. UA can also add more UAX gates on to the high B's. If fact if UA were to just reconfigure the area from B14 through B18 UA could fit a sizable UAX operation with jet bridges within that area using the same format we currently use with our UAX gates located at the end of the F concourse. I'm not sure how much flexibility UA would have with the second satellite concourse but on the north end of the concourse UA could replace 2 of those mainline narrowbody jet bridges with around 4-6 UAX jet bridges.

With proper planning and some reconfiguration of existing gates UA could gain quite a few gates within our existing concourses after both satellite terminals and the World Terminal are built.

https://www.ord21.com/About/Pages/Satel ... urses.aspx
https://www.chicagobusiness.com/greg-hi ... ving-along
https://chicago.suntimes.com/2019/7/8/2 ... 606701002/
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 2:23 pm

jayunited wrote:
...Once those projects are done Delta would move over to terminal 5 and UA would move our UAX operations out of terminal 2 and we would have full use of the first completed satellite concourse while the second satellite concourse and the all new World Terminal are being built...


FYI, it's the O'Hare Global Terminal or OGT, not World Terminal.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 4:57 pm

788:
N26906 sked to enter XMN 2741/9Jan for Polaris/PP (788 #2 for Polaris)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:01 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
788:
N26906 sked to enter XMN 2741/9Jan for Polaris/PP (788 #2 for Polaris)


the 1st one should be done any day now. any news on it?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:15 pm

How long did the first 788 Polaris conversion take to complete? Will the ones that follow take less time?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 5:15 pm

xxcr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
788:
N26906 sked to enter XMN 2741/9Jan for Polaris/PP (788 #2 for Polaris)


the 1st one should be done any day now. any news on it?

N27908 is currently enroute XMNSFO UA 2738 9Jan and will then turn $ flight UA 1912SFOIAD 8Jan and UA809 IADPEK 9Jan.
.. or so FA says anyway. UA not wasting any time putting it to use it seems.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:10 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
xxcr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
788:
N26906 sked to enter XMN 2741/9Jan for Polaris/PP (788 #2 for Polaris)


the 1st one should be done any day now. any news on it?

N27908 is currently enroute XMNSFO UA 2738 9Jan and will then turn $ flight UA 1912SFOIAD 8Jan and UA809 IADPEK 9Jan.
.. or so FA says anyway. UA not wasting any time putting it to use it seems.


damn! wasting no time!! anyone have pictures of the 788 with Polaris?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:27 pm

xxcr wrote:
LGeneReese wrote:
xxcr wrote:

the 1st one should be done any day now. any news on it?

N27908 is currently enroute XMNSFO UA 2738 9Jan and will then turn $ flight UA 1912SFOIAD 8Jan and UA809 IADPEK 9Jan.
.. or so FA says anyway. UA not wasting any time putting it to use it seems.


damn! wasting no time!! anyone have pictures of the 788 with Polaris?


With only 20J seats, isn't someone going to be upset when the find out about the a/c switch?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 6:32 pm

fun2fly wrote:
xxcr wrote:
LGeneReese wrote:
N27908 is currently enroute XMNSFO UA 2738 9Jan and will then turn $ flight UA 1912SFOIAD 8Jan and UA809 IADPEK 9Jan.
.. or so FA says anyway. UA not wasting any time putting it to use it seems.


damn! wasting no time!! anyone have pictures of the 788 with Polaris?


With only 20J seats, isn't someone going to be upset when the find out about the a/c switch?


28, not 20.
 
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United's 100 P&W-powered 757-200s: What Might Have Been....

Wed Jan 08, 2020 7:25 pm

Apologies is this has been addressed before, I searched and didn’t find anything.

Assuming Airfleets.net is correct, legacy United had about 100 P&W powered 757-200s, most delivered between 1989 and 1993. After the merger, the majority of these aircraft were disposed of from around 2010-2014, with about 40 getting parked in the desert, and 40 getting sold to FedEx to be converted to freighters. Only about 15 of the P&W 757-200s were retained, mostly for transcon Premium Service flights.

United was a different airline in a different environment in 2010-2014 when compared to today. Back then, oil prices were going through all-time highs, and United’s strategy seemed to be “shrink to profitability.” Today, oil prices are lower, and United has been purchasing all the used narrow body aircraft they can find, in order to increase their domestic lift and associated profits.

The current MAX grounding makes the lack of domestic lift even more pressing.

I find myself pondering what would have happened had United kept some portion of those P&W powered 757-200s. I’ve heard rumblings that those aircraft suffered from lots of deferred maintenance, and I assume there were some tails that it would have been cheaper to retire than keep. However, at the very least, it’s worth noting that FedEx found it worthwhile to buy and refurbish 40 of them (granted, freighter flying is different than pax service).

How would things have been different, assuming United decided to hang onto at least 40 of those aircraft? Obviously, this would have allowed United to better weather the MAX grounding. Would United’s network have looked any larger if the 757-200s had been flying? What kind of shape were those aircraft in when UA sold or retired them?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:00 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
xxcr wrote:

damn! wasting no time!! anyone have pictures of the 788 with Polaris?


With only 20J seats, isn't someone going to be upset when the find out about the a/c switch?


28, not 20.


Right, sorry about the typo. Either way, that's a big difference vs. 48/50on the 772.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:28 pm

yeogeo wrote:
jayunited wrote:
...Once those projects are done Delta would move over to terminal 5 and UA would move our UAX operations out of terminal 2 and we would have full use of the first completed satellite concourse while the second satellite concourse and the all new World Terminal are being built...


FYI, it's the O'Hare Global Terminal or OGT, not World Terminal.


Thanks for the correction, I do appreciated it. Not sure why on several occasions I called it the World Terminal instead of the Global Terminal even while re-read those articles. Somehow World instead of Global got stuck in my head and I just went with it.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 8:31 pm

fun2fly wrote:
that's a big difference vs. 48/50on the 772.

Wouldn’t they only be swapped with the non-reconfigured 787-8s? Still a drop of 8 J seats, though the premium economy seats would soften the blow a bit. Either way, I wonder when they’ll start capping J sales to 28.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 08, 2020 11:53 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N788UA could have arrived XMN maint 2740/8Jan, FR24 shows arrival, UA.com says cxld

Currently 6 aircraft now in INT. Wondering if at least some are related to WiFi upgrades.
73G: N24706 entered 1/6/20
73G: N16709 entered 1/1/20
738: N14211 entered 1/7/20
738: N27213 entered 12/28/19
739: N69840 entered 1/6/20
739: N62883 entered 1/7/20


Long time lurker and first time posting. Great job with this thread, I've been following them for quite a while now.

I'm local to INT and only noticed the UAL 737's and some 757-2/3 somewhat recently. I believe North State Aviation is doing some contracted work for them, do you have any more details?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:23 am

Do you think we could see DEN-MUC launched, at least seasonally? Or will that route only be flown on LH metal?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:30 am

N210UA in AMA for Paint. 777-200 prototype.

The former Shaheen Aircraft are not being stripped for parts. First one is suppose to get inducted this month. The ex Vueling A320's are suppose to be used for Parts. But then the 1st one was rerouted. So who knows.....
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:49 am

N14011 (787-10) passed through DEN just now on its first day of revenue flights.

Perplexingly, this iteration is missing 21 premium seats compared to other United 787-10’s. 44 J seats, but it’s missing the Premium Plus section, and replaced it with more economy plus.

Anyone care to speculate why this would be the case? Premium Plus is being added to 787-8‘s, so seems quite strange to eliminate those excellent intermediary seats just to include a few more E+ chairs.

Thoughts?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 12:50 am

BNAMealer wrote:
Do you think we could see DEN-MUC launched, at least seasonally? Or will that route only be flown on LH metal?


Possibly, I personally do believe that CDG, DUB, and FCO come first. LH should cover MUC.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:14 am

What new routes should EWR cover.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:16 am

aden23 wrote:
N14011 (787-10) passed through DEN just now on its first day of revenue flights.

Perplexingly, this iteration is missing 21 premium seats compared to other United 787-10’s. 44 J seats, but it’s missing the Premium Plus section, and replaced it with more economy plus.

Anyone care to speculate why this would be the case? Premium Plus is being added to 787-8‘s, so seems quite strange to eliminate those excellent intermediary seats just to include a few more E+ chairs.

Thoughts?


Except for our EWR-SFO/LAX routes UA does not sell premium plus seats as premium plus seats on domestic routes, those seats are marketed and sold domestically as E+. For passengers who are not familiar with UA widebodies they will not find out they are actually in a premium plus seat until they board the aircraft.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:22 am

aden23 wrote:
N14011 (787-10) passed through DEN just now on its first day of revenue flights.

Perplexingly, this iteration is missing 21 premium seats compared to other United 787-10’s. 44 J seats, but it’s missing the Premium Plus section, and replaced it with more economy plus.

Anyone care to speculate why this would be the case? Premium Plus is being added to 787-8‘s, so seems quite strange to eliminate those excellent intermediary seats just to include a few more E+ chairs.

Thoughts?


Probably because it's flying on a domestic route that traditionally does not have premium economy. So seat map would just categorize the Premium Plus seats as just regular E+ seats and those who can select E+ seats get a bonus of a nicer seat for free.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:26 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Do you think we could see DEN-MUC launched, at least seasonally? Or will that route only be flown on LH metal?


Possibly, I personally do believe that CDG, DUB, and FCO come first. LH should cover MUC.


LH already does cover MUC just like they cover FRA, but that didn't stop UA from adding a DEN-FRA flight on UA metal. I think within 2-3 years UA will add seasonal (April - November) DEN-MUC service on UA metal. I can also see seasonal service CDG from DEN happening at some point in the future, but I think UA would launch seasonal SFO-FCO service before launching any DEN-FCO flight .
 
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Could UA gets JFK slots through a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:26 am

UA is currently in the process of forming a joint venture throughout South America with Avianca, Azul, and Copa. While the JV should be extremely beneficial on both ends does UA have something more to benefit from it than the others? Combined Avianca and Copa have quite a few slots at JFK but a limited and nonexistent presence at EWR. United, has the opposite, therefore making connections nearly impossible.

While some may say UA wants to make EWR more O&D, this trend has seemed to be more about the regional flying rather than the mainline connections. I have gathered this data both from personal experience and the passenger statistics released from the airport. Could Kirby (a genius) possibly be suggesting the carriers shift to EWR to better benefit from the joint venture? UA could than the receive slots the others vacated and return to the highly desired JFK market all while capitalizing with more connections. UA themselves have stated that their biggest problem with a return to JFK is the lack of a bunch of slots at once.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 1:57 am

snuggs28 wrote:
N210UA in AMA for Paint. 777-200 prototype.

The former Shaheen Aircraft are not being stripped for parts. First one is suppose to get inducted this month. The ex Vueling A320's are suppose to be used for Parts. But then the 1st one was rerouted. So who knows.....


You absolutely correct the N2910U was supposed to end up in TUP and be stripped now UA is showing this aircraft's location at GRY.

I would have never looked if you would have never posted this, I would have gone on assumed the plane was in TUP. I was about to try to correct you but something told me to do some research before posting and to my surprise the plane wasn't in TUP.

Now I really can't wait to see the updated fleet plan because UA has a few more used Airbuses at GYR but they are just being stored there temporarily while their maintenance records continue to be poured over. The fact that N2910U was rerouted to GYR is an interested development it could still be parted out but like you stated who knows.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:17 am

jayunited wrote:
snuggs28 wrote:
N210UA in AMA for Paint. 777-200 prototype.

The former Shaheen Aircraft are not being stripped for parts. First one is suppose to get inducted this month. The ex Vueling A320's are suppose to be used for Parts. But then the 1st one was rerouted. So who knows.....


You absolutely correct the N2910U was supposed to end up in TUP and be stripped now UA is showing this aircraft's location at GRY.

I would have never looked if you would have never posted this, I would have gone on assumed the plane was in TUP. I was about to try to correct you but something told me to do some research before posting and to my surprise the plane wasn't in TUP.

Now I really can't wait to see the updated fleet plan because UA has a few more used Airbuses at GYR but they are just being stored there temporarily while their maintenance records continue to be poured over. The fact that N2910U was rerouted to GYR is an interested development it could still be parted out but like you stated who knows.

Are they reconsidering parting some of these frames because of the extended MAX grounding? Even though I know UA is behind on the growth they wanted and we don't know when the grounding will end, it seems like the investment to get these planes certified for only a limited time seems high.
 
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:29 am

United has this problem with some other Star Alliance members too, almost all of them fly to JFK, and some don’t fly to EWR at all. Somehow United will make it work, I suppose
 
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:49 am

That’s more Smiseks line of thinking. It was he who sold off JFK slots and the airline later admitted it was a mistake.
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:16 am

That seems like an awful lot of work for a handful of JFK slots. What if the South American airline says no, they want to stay at JFK and not move to EWR? Then what would UA do?

Also, I thought there were slots available at JFK at off times, just not at peak times. Do these airlines even have peak-time slots that UA wants?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:19 am

fun2fly wrote:
Right, sorry about the typo. Either way, that's a big difference vs. 48/50on the 772.

IAD-PEK is operated by 788s, not 772s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:31 am

cosyr wrote:
... I would be shocked if they opened a Polaris club for an airport with only 3 Polaris routes.

According to united.com, folks traveling in First or Business on other Star Alliance flights also have Polaris lounge access:

Customers traveling in international first or business class cabins on Star AllianceTM partner airlines may access the lounge only at the airport of their international departure.


I wonder if the AC flights to YUL, YVR, and YYZ, CM flights to PTY, LH flights to FRA and MUC, and WK flights to ZRH would figure into a decision to build a lounge at DEN.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:44 am

adamblang wrote:
cosyr wrote:
... I would be shocked if they opened a Polaris club for an airport with only 3 Polaris routes.

According to united.com, folks traveling in First or Business on other Star Alliance flights also have Polaris lounge access:

Customers traveling in international first or business class cabins on Star AllianceTM partner airlines may access the lounge only at the airport of their international departure.


I wonder if the AC flights to YUL, YVR, and YYZ, CM flights to PTY, LH flights to FRA and MUC, and WK flights to ZRH would figure into a decision to build a lounge at DEN.


non-UA Polaris lounge access is limited to Star passengers traveling in F/J on long haul flights....so AC and CM would not factor into it. AC and CM do have United Club access however for their premium passengers.
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:54 am

UA should merge with JetBlue. Case Closed. They can then give up EWR presence and make it even more competitive in favor of JFK (Where they Need Presence at.)

FYI: Kirby isn't a genius, he's another lapdog who's gracious at UA because AA didn't end his career like Parker wanted to do.
 
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:10 am

Seems like it would be cheaper to just buy the JFK slots.
 
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:38 am

N649DL wrote:
UA should merge with JetBlue. Case Closed. They can then give up EWR presence and make it even more competitive in favor of JFK (Where they Need Presence at.)

FYI: Kirby isn't a genius, he's another lapdog who's gracious at UA because AA didn't end his career like Parker wanted to do.

Doesn't work... not enough slots in JFK.
 
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Re: Theory; United Road to Redemption, via a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 7:45 am

N649DL wrote:
UA should merge with JetBlue. Case Closed. They can then give up EWR presence and make it even more competitive in favor of JFK (Where they Need Presence at.)

FYI: Kirby isn't a genius, he's another lapdog who's gracious at UA because AA didn't end his career like Parker wanted to do.



EWR is one of the Crown Jewels in the UA system and they would never give it up,
that would be madness


UA should invest in a return to and a permanent presence in JFK however, it’s too valuable a market to ignore


Not sure whether that should be through a Jet Blue acquisition or not though, while their franchise in Florida would plug a big hole and be a great asset, any merger requiring a big divestment in EWR would not be
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 8:00 am

If UA is growing so much already and the plan is more growth systemwide- who is UA sourcing share from? Has any kind of report showing that FF pax are switching from DL or AA?
Are foreign travelers choosing UA vs their usual local country airlines?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 2:42 pm

fun2fly wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
fun2fly wrote:

With only 20J seats, isn't someone going to be upset when the find out about the a/c switch?


28, not 20.


Right, sorry about the typo. Either way, that's a big difference vs. 48/50on the 772.


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Re: Could UA gets JFK slots through a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:32 pm

How many unused slots are available at JFK now?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:34 pm

UAL Flt 35 on 10 Jan 2020 shows 787-8 Polaris seat map loaded.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:57 pm

grayshoe73 wrote:
UAL Flt 35 on 10 Jan 2020 shows 787-8 Polaris seat map loaded.


Thankyou !
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Jan 09, 2020 3:59 pm

VC10er wrote:
If UA is growing so much already and the plan is more growth systemwide- who is UA sourcing share from? Has any kind of report showing that FF pax are switching from DL or AA?
Are foreign travelers choosing UA vs their usual local country airlines?


I think a big part of it is regaining the corporate partnerships, as this comprises the highest number of FFs. They care primarily about network, reliability, and cost. They frequently switch between airline to airline based on these needs. UA has made great gains in all three and has since gained back a number of corporate contracts that were lost. I don’t have a specific report, as it is mostly proprietary information on both sides. However, UA is poaching corporate partners from other airlines. Of course they also lose some, but the trend is overwhelmingly positive. Expect the trend to continue as United begins to beef up the domestic network. With the economy being so great, there are also a large number of first-time corporate partnerships. Not to mention, a large upswing in non-corporate travelers & FFs as well! It really is a very exciting time throughout the entire industry in terms of growth.
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Re: Could UA gets JFK slots through a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:11 pm

Kirby could buy his former airline's unused slots
 
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Re: Could UA gets JFK slots through a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:22 pm

EWR is not one of UA's most profitable hubs, but it might be its most important. Amongst the legacies, UA is easily the most profitable in NYC. And its market dominance allows UA to capture ff, corporate contract that help the rest of its network. Kirby would argue that some type of presence in JFK would further aid its presence in NYC and nationwide. And I'd agree with that. It makes no sense for UA to not maintain its position in EWR.

Also, UA partners don't have enough well timed slots at JFK to be worthwhile for UA.
 
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Re: Could UA gets JFK slots through a JV?

Thu Jan 09, 2020 4:33 pm

Austin787 wrote:

Kirby could buy his former airline's unused slots


I don't see AA selling slots to UA when they know darn well what routes UA would fly. LAX/SFO. Two of AA's prime JFK markets.
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