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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

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738:
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738 at 10% EvoBlu
 
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It will be much appreciated when the current fad of leather seats throughout the cabin is over
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is the first WN 737-700 in GYR for storage or Induction?
 
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I'm confused - what if the user is the source? No original content?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

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FRANKLY, while it is rare to find oneself on a totally refurbished (used) A319, but once you have, everything “narrow body” on United doesn’t compare! The FULL EFFECT of the NEW interior design overall provides an new amazing atmosphere. I know the wide body Polaris mods come first, but the 737-8 (etc) is a sad looking airplane inside even when clean.
I feel bad for UA, the 737MAX’s interiors must look like the new (but used) A329’s. If the MAX’s were flying UA would have many more hot **** looking aircraft! Then perhaps they would be able to refurbish the 737-8/9’s!


What's special on these? Are there photos out there anywhere?


The #1 most special thing is that they don’t look like partial refreshed interiors. Everything inside looks factory new even if the aircraft is not. So the feeling upon boarding is “United must have gotten this aircraft yesterday! Along with the new welcome signage.

Second, the “design” is crisp and modern, sidewalls, overhead bins, seats, all crisp and very tailored -not over done. It feels branded in the same way the interiors of LH are unmistakable. Simple blue and silver paneled bulkheads, but the blue panel has a subtle but nice pattern in it. And the Lavs are brand new with beautiful finishes.

It’s simply a very NEW and well considered design, vs the current old 737-8/9 interiors with the solid dusty blue/grey and tired old First Class seats in “typical” airplane navy blue leaves
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Do you consider Twitter to be a competing site? I included a link to the original tweet for that one. What about describing instructions to people on how to find images that they're looking for? Can I do that? I can only share pictures that are uploaded to here or directly from UA?
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Do you consider Twitter to be a competing site? I included a link to the original tweet for that one. What about describing instructions to people on how to find images that they're looking for? Can I do that? I can only share pictures that are uploaded to here or directly from UA?

Twitter is fine. We don't pretend to compete with them. We just don't allow users to link to their own Twitter accounts as a means of self promotion (a number of users try to do this). The same goes for YouTube or any other social media platform.

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The fleet changes, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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N496UA exited AMA paint 2743/26Jan in EvoBlu livery

738:
N33264 sked to exit AMA 2760/27Jan in Evo Blu livery
N37274 sked to enter AMA paint 2759/27Jan

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N77012 entered XMN 2763/26Jan, Polaris??, Maint?? - odd since believed all GE772 mods and maint done in HKG.
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 6:22 pm

Does anyone have an update on the 764 in HKG 3058? Been there a month now. Should be out any day I’d imagine. Thanks!
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:07 pm

https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/ai ... f-18jan20/

On this latest schedule update, it looks like ORD-Asia capacity gets trimmed further for the summer.
HND: 1x daily 772
PEK: 1x daily 788
PVG: 1x daily 789

It's crazy to see how much UA has shrunk ORD-Asia over the years. As recent as 2016, we were seeing daily 744's to NRT, PEK, and PVG, and a daily 772 to HKG. Rewind back to 2007, they were 2x 772 to NRT, 1x 744 to PEK, 1x 744 to PVG, and 10x weekly 744 to HKG.
 
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Mon Jan 27, 2020 8:58 pm

Just saw on airlineroute that UA is putting the high density 772 on IAD-SEA all summer. Interesting to say the least, but with the seasonal cruise demand, not very surprising.
 
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It is incredibly obvious that UA has an amazing domestic network, but the winter international roster is lackluster. Some European routes are seasonal and the Asian marker is only four deep. Has UA ever thought of adding ICN or a secondary Japanese market?
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:33 am

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Just saw on airlineroute that UA is putting the high density 772 on IAD-SEA all summer. Interesting to say the least, but with the seasonal cruise demand, not very surprising.


Well it’s partly because there’s a bit of a war going on the IAD-SEA route. AS will be up to 3x and DL up to 2x. Last summer, UA bumped the route up to 4x daily, but it appears this summer they’ll go back to 3x...but upgauge one flight to a 777.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:40 am

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It is incredibly obvious that UA has an amazing domestic network, but the winter international roster is lackluster. Some European routes are seasonal and the Asian marker is only four deep. Has UA ever thought of adding ICN or a secondary Japanese market?

Huh? Do you mean from ORD?
 
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It is incredibly obvious that UA has an amazing domestic network, but the winter international roster is lackluster. Some European routes are seasonal and the Asian marker is only four deep. Has UA ever thought of adding ICN or a secondary Japanese market?

Huh? Do you mean from ORD?

My bad. Yes, ORD.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 4:11 am

tkoenig95 wrote:
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It is incredibly obvious that UA has an amazing domestic network, but the winter international roster is lackluster. Some European routes are seasonal and the Asian marker is only four deep. Has UA ever thought of adding ICN or a secondary Japanese market?

Huh? Do you mean from ORD?

My bad. Yes, ORD.

Well, they don’t lose any Euro service in the winter but they do lose some days, and Asia service is about as good as I think it can be especially since they have SFO. They have tried ICN twice, maybe even three times and has not worked so I don’t think they will try again anytime soon. Maybe Asiana will try again.
 
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tkoenig95 wrote:
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Huh? Do you mean from ORD?

My bad. Yes, ORD.

Well, they don’t lose any Euro service in the winter but they do lose some days, and Asia service is about as good as I think it can be especially since they have SFO. They have tried ICN twice, maybe even three times and has not worked so I don’t think they will try again anytime soon. Maybe Asiana will try again.


ORD does actually lose some Euro routes in the winter - DUB, EDI, and FCO. Of those, DUB is the only one that I think could have a shot at working year round, but UA flies it with a 752 and I'm wondering if they'd take a performance hit in the winter.

Re ICN, I'd expect UA to start EWR-ICN before ORD-ICN since there's a sizeable local market and, as of yet, no competition. That said, I'm sure ORD-ICN is being looked at as well, simply for the volume of connections that could be offered.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:43 am

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Just saw on airlineroute that UA is putting the high density 772 on IAD-SEA all summer. Interesting to say the least, but with the seasonal cruise demand, not very surprising.


I'm thinking the currently loaded HD 772 flying for summer must include the four PW-powered -ER frames that are being converted from international configuration. Other than an ORD-MCO-ORD turn that needs to be retimed (it currently has a 35 minute turn in MCO since the EWR rotation is gone), the schedule seems to work and would require 21 frames. Here's what I've been able to find in the schedules:

SFO-DEN x1
SFO-IAH x1
SFO-IAD x1
SFO-EWR x1
SFO-HNL x3
SFO-OGG x1
LAX-DEN x1
LAX-IAD x2
LAX-EWR x1
LAX-HNL x1
DEN-ORD x3
DEN-IAD x2
DEN-HNL x1
DEN-OGG x1
IAH-HNL x1
ORD-MCO x1
ORD-HNL x1
ORD-OGG x1
IAD-SEA x1
HNL-GUM x1

1 RON at GUM
1 RON at HNL
5 eastbound redeyes from HNL (SFO, LAX, DEN, IAH, ORD)
2 eastbound redeyes from OGG (DEN, ORD)
1 RON at SFO
2 eastbound redeyes from SFO (IAH, IAD)
1 RON at LAX
2 eastbound redeyes from LAX (IAD, EWR)
1 eastbound redeye from DEN (IAD)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:32 pm

It seems like IAH is UA’s new forgotten hub. We’ll see if it changes after the MAX is flying again.
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 12:34 pm

theasianguy wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/288872/united-s20-long-haul-changes-as-of-18jan20/

On this latest schedule update, it looks like ORD-Asia capacity gets trimmed further for the summer.
HND: 1x daily 772
PEK: 1x daily 788
PVG: 1x daily 789

It's crazy to see how much UA has shrunk ORD-Asia over the years. As recent as 2016, we were seeing daily 744's to NRT, PEK, and PVG, and a daily 772 to HKG. Rewind back to 2007, they were 2x 772 to NRT, 1x 744 to PEK, 1x 744 to PVG, and 10x weekly 744 to HKG.


My prediction is that it is going to get much worse before it gets better.
Largely driven by the coronavirus in the short term, I bet we will see a temporary reduction to less than daily or even flat out suspensions for many mainland China routes in the near future. (What is UA saying/doing to ensure the health and safety of staff?)

HKG is a victim of the growth of non-stop flying from SFO to other points in Asia and that trend will continue.
SFO is a Asian juggernaut that UA is going to grow more and more.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 1:48 pm

theasianguy wrote:
https://www.routesonline.com/news/38/airlineroute/288872/united-s20-long-haul-changes-as-of-18jan20/

On this latest schedule update, it looks like ORD-Asia capacity gets trimmed further for the summer.
HND: 1x daily 772
PEK: 1x daily 788
PVG: 1x daily 789

It's crazy to see how much UA has shrunk ORD-Asia over the years. As recent as 2016, we were seeing daily 744's to NRT, PEK, and PVG, and a daily 772 to HKG. Rewind back to 2007, they were 2x 772 to NRT, 1x 744 to PEK, 1x 744 to PVG, and 10x weekly 744 to HKG.


Are you just looking at the equipment gauge or did you take the time to compare the load factors?

If you are simply looking at equipment gauge then yes we've seen a drastic cut in capacity. But except for two or three months of the year those 744s were flying around with at least 75-100 empty seats if not more even back in 2007 those flights were not constantly full. Its a shame to see ORD-HKG canceled (UA still list it as suspended) I wish they would have tried it with a 789. As far as the 788 and 789s that will eventually take over on UA's ORD-PEK/PVG the capacity lost isn't as great as it would appear verses the 77E that are currently on the route. The remaining IPTE 77Es have been confined (for the most part) to ORD those frames have a total of 269 seats. UA's Polaris 788s will have 243 seats on them and by mid-May 2020 there should only be one frame remaining in service with 219 seats. The 789s will have 257 seats on board but Polaris installation will take much longer to wrap up (not scheduled to be completed until late December 2020). The biggest lost will be business class ORD-PEK going from 48 to 28 seats but to be honest UA in recent years was only selling around 20-30 business class seats on that route the remainder was filled with upgrades and non revs.

As much as I love the 77E it isn't a fuel efficient aircraft. (It's funny to say that because it was the same argument used when the 77E took over for the 744s). But using UA's LAX-PVG route as an example the route was launched with a 77E but compared to the 787 the 77E is a gas guzzler. Swapping LAX-PVG from the 269 seat 77E for the 218 seat 788 then upguaging the route to the 252 seats 789 save this route for UA in a landscape that is ultra competitive. UA is applying the same principle to our ORD-China flights we need a fuel efficient aircraft to battle the Chinese that use to be the 77E (when 744s were dominating the skies) but now those fuel efficient aircraft are the 787s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:28 pm

FSDan wrote:
Planeboy17 wrote:
tkoenig95 wrote:
My bad. Yes, ORD.

Well, they don’t lose any Euro service in the winter but they do lose some days, and Asia service is about as good as I think it can be especially since they have SFO. They have tried ICN twice, maybe even three times and has not worked so I don’t think they will try again anytime soon. Maybe Asiana will try again.


ORD does actually lose some Euro routes in the winter - DUB, EDI, and FCO. Of those, DUB is the only one that I think could have a shot at working year round, but UA flies it with a 752 and I'm wondering if they'd take a performance hit in the winter.

Re ICN, I'd expect UA to start EWR-ICN before ORD-ICN since there's a sizeable local market and, as of yet, no competition. That said, I'm sure ORD-ICN is being looked at as well, simply for the volume of connections that could be offered.

Thank you for the correction FSDan. Just after I posted it late last night I remembered DUB and EDI but was too tired to repost. I completely forgot about FCO.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 5:43 pm

Looking at potential 772ER Domestic routing, if all 4 ERs are done by June this could work and covers ORD-HNL and HNL-GUM (ORD-OGG wouldn't work)
1.) ORD 1015, HNL 1432, HNL 1955 , IAH 0838 (5:23 in HNL, 1:22 turn in IAH)
2.) IAH 1000, HNL 1320, HNL 1420, GUM 1805 (1:00 HNL, 13:05 in GUM)
3.) GUM 0710, HNL 1825, HNL 2100, SFO 0503 (2:35 HNL,3:10 in SFO)
4.) SFO 0845, HNL 1104, HNL 1550, ORD 0459 (4:46 in HNL, 5:16 in ORD)

Or this could work if 5+ hour maint at ORD on a daily basis would be enough to maintain these aircraft.
1.) ORD 1015, HNL 1432, HNL 1550 ORD 0459 (1:18 in HNL, 5:21 in ORD)
2.) ORD 1020, OGG 1431, OGG 1610, ORD 0505 (1:39 in OGG, 5:10 in ORD)

3.) IAH 1000, HNL 1320, HNL 1420, GUM 1805 (1:00 HNL, 13:05 in GUM)
3.) GUM 0710, HNL 1825, HNL 1955 IAH 0838 (1:30 HNL,1:22 in SFO)
To make this a 4 aircraft routing, ORD HNL would have to move earlier or HNL-GUM later - would be misconnects in GUM. Another option would be to swap out the 1745 and 1855 DEN-ORD flights to use the 772 on ORD-MCO-ORD-DEN-ORD, which would allow a full 13:00 RON at ORD.

Another option would be to operate the ORD-HNL/OGG flights with ERs and float the other 2 ERs so they would provide swap out at ORD ever day or so.

I'm sure there are other options including a Spare at HNL, which would really make it work.
 
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Another option would be to operate the ORD-HNL/OGG flights with ERs and float the other 2 ERs so they would provide swap out at ORD ever day or so.


I understand this is the goal.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 6:20 pm

# 2897 POLARIS ETR 3/08 XMN

# 0019 POLARIS ETR 3/09 HKG

# 0012 POLARIS ETR 3/15 XMN

# 842 VIASAT ETR 2/01 INT

# 885 VIASAT ETR 2/03 INT

# 513 is still being worked on and evaluated.

# 140 Went in for a C Check
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:20 pm

319:
N825UA entered LCQ 2746/22Jan for 12F mod.
N852UA exited LCQ 2763/28Jan with 12F mod complete

I'm wondering why UA took a GE772 with Diamond seats to XMN instead of a PW 772 with the older 8 across business seats.
There are only 5 PWs still flying and only 1 in mod (2 to get Polaris and 3 to become domestic)
There are 7 GE's flying,but now 4 in mod and usual mod and maintenance is done in HKG, not XMN.
I'm estimating ETR of N74007 2/28/20 and N78008 2/25/20.
 
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Tue Jan 28, 2020 7:29 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N825UA entered LCQ 2746/22Jan for 12F mod.
N852UA exited LCQ 2763/28Jan with 12F mod complete

I'm wondering why UA took a GE772 with Diamond seats to XMN instead of a PW 772 with the older 8 across business seats.
There are only 5 PWs still flying and only 1 in mod (2 to get Polaris and 3 to become domestic)
There are 7 GE's flying,but now 4 in mod and usual mod and maintenance is done in HKG, not XMN.
I'm estimating ETR of N74007 2/28/20 and N78008 2/25/20.


In the earnings call, UA stated that its summer schedule was built for 100% Polaris for the 772 fleet, which I take to mean all Polaris-service 772 routes will be operated by Polaris-configured 772s, not necessarily that all 772 routes will have Polaris cabins. Since none of the GE 772s are all going to domestic configuration (i.e., all longhaul service), and more of those have old seats, UA needs to reconfigure them faster to meet its schedule promises. UA probably has a contingency plan where some domestic 777 routes will get the IPTE configuration on an all-domestic rotation if the 77G mods aren't finished by then.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:25 pm

UAX Update:

CR5:
N616QX has been re-registered as N511GJ, ferried MLB for interior mod
N608QX has been re-registered as N519GJ, ferried AMA for new livery
N165GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, at STL
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Jan 28, 2020 8:38 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
319:
N825UA entered LCQ 2746/22Jan for 12F mod.
N852UA exited LCQ 2763/28Jan with 12F mod complete

I'm wondering why UA took a GE772 with Diamond seats to XMN instead of a PW 772 with the older 8 across business seats.
There are only 5 PWs still flying and only 1 in mod (2 to get Polaris and 3 to become domestic)
There are 7 GE's flying,but now 4 in mod and usual mod and maintenance is done in HKG, not XMN.
I'm estimating ETR of N74007 2/28/20 and N78008 2/25/20.


UA is really moving with the 12F mod for the A319.

Whats the story with the 16F mod for the A320? i read somewhere in this thread that UA cancelled it. What was the reason for cancelling the 16F mod for the 320?
 
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Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:04 am

I have a question that’s probably near impossible to answer (except for maybe Dec 31st, 2020)

What's the best guess start for a true Polaris 789 to SIN? (just that I'm hoping for the end of April!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:30 am

Lots of press about UA cancelling two dozen China flights from US hubs for one week. For example:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... s-on-virus

Somewhere in the many articles I've read it mentioned that a handful of UA Chinese flights will continue. Anyone have the information on those that will remain?...and is two dozen the number of flight numbers cancelled or the number of flights over the cancellation period?
Cancellation is from Feb1-Feb8 (so far).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:18 am

codc10:

Thanks for that post. Can we assume something like the below with 4 mod lines in HKG and 3 in XMN?

GE 772 in mod, ERS dates: HKG#1-2/25, HKG#2-2/28, HKG#3-3/9, XMN#3-3/15
GE 772 7 more after current mods exit
GE 772 next in, ERS dates: HKG#1-4/25, HKG#2-4/28, #HKG3-5/9, #XMN3-5/15 (after 5/15 all would be completed or in mod)
GE 772 3rd set, ERS dates: HKG#1-6/25, HKG#2-6/28, HKG#3-7/9

PW 772 in mod, ERS dates: XMN#1-2/6(Domestic STC unit), XMN#2-3/8 Polaris unit
PW 772 5 more after current mods exit, (3 of 5 destined for Domestic config).
PW 772 next in, ERS dates: XMN#1-4/1, #XMN2-5/3 (assume for Polaris - after 5/3 only 3 aircraft to become domestic in ITPE)
PW 772 3rd set, ERS dates: XMN#1-5/29, XMN#2-7/3 (assume Domestic config.)
PW 772 4th set, ERS dates: XMN#3-7/10 (assume Domestic config - into mod following 5/15 GE 772 departure)

The above would have:
the last GE non-Polaris unit out of service 5/9 and all completed by 7/9
the last PW non-Polaris unit out of service 5/15 and all International completed by 5/3
All PW Domestic conversion done by 7/10 (assuming 3 non-STC units at 55 days for Domestic conversion)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:19 am

There has been an update on the 4 77Es that UA will convert to HD domestic use.
The layout will be 32 business first seats (IPTE remains), 72 economy plus seats, and 258 economy seats, for a total of 362 seats.
These aircraft will have nose to tail AVOD and PDE.

Before anyone ask I do not know if the other 19 HD frames will also be reconfigured with 32 business first seats instead of the current 28 and/or if those frames will finally get nose to tail AVOD in addition to their current PDE.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 1:29 am

I’m a regular flyer out of IAH to NRT, LHR and FRA and noticed that on my future bookings, 1-Apr is the date where the GE777 seat maps all change from Diamond to Polaris. I guess they’re expecting all of the remaining GE fleet to have Polaris by that date.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 2:17 am

Does anyone know which frames still have the old United business first seats? I know there are not too many left and I wanted to try and catch one
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:42 am

iflyabunch wrote:
I’m a regular flyer out of IAH to NRT, LHR and FRA and noticed that on my future bookings, 1-Apr is the date where the GE777 seat maps all change from Diamond to Polaris. I guess they’re expecting all of the remaining GE fleet to have Polaris by that date.


There are 11 completed with 4 in Mod. With 7 left after that would expect maybe a few more to be completed. This gives them enough frames to make the IAH trips
all Polaris. There is always a chance of a PW777 or one of the last few GE's not completed but usually when selling Polaris in a market UA has done a good job
of keeping them Polaris aircraft.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:43 am

ryanflyer wrote:
Does anyone know which frames still have the old United business first seats? I know there are not too many left and I wanted to try and catch one


Business First seats as the the 2x2x2 seats found on the ex-Continental 777s and 787s or the older 2x4x2 found on the ex-United 777s?

If the 2x2x2 seats, almost all of the 787-8 and 787-9 planes have them still and ~40% of the ex-Continental 777s. If the seats found on the older 2x4x2 configs, there's only about a handful of those 777s left and they primarily operate out of ORD with all gone by this summer.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:50 am

VC10er wrote:
I have a question that’s probably near impossible to answer (except for maybe Dec 31st, 2020)

What's the best guess start for a true Polaris 789 to SIN? (just that I'm hoping for the end of April!


There are 5 789's being delivered first quarter. These will have Polaris. The first Mod ac 3968 should be out by in Feb.
Maybe 1 or 2 more Mod so if UA has SIN as one of the First target markets(Hopefully SIN and PVG are the first ones) you
would have about a 8 in 30 chance so almost 25%. Just a guess though.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:01 am

789 on SIN, guess would be 5 or 6 out of 29 or under 20%. Of course that is if they are floated around the system and not dedicated to any specific route.

What's been on the thread is thinking the 320 16F mod was cxld due to commonality on Airbus fleet with F seats totals.

4 772ER - must be due to lavs behind door 2 instead of in front of door 2 in 772A units. 4 more BF at the windows, -6 at the windows in Economy. Big switch in Y vs. E+. Anything to do with lavs by Door 3 or a crew module?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:22 am

TrafficCop wrote:
VC10er wrote:
I have a question that’s probably near impossible to answer (except for maybe Dec 31st, 2020)

What's the best guess start for a true Polaris 789 to SIN? (just that I'm hoping for the end of April!


There are 5 789's being delivered first quarter. These will have Polaris. The first Mod ac 3968 should be out by in Feb.
Maybe 1 or 2 more Mod so if UA has SIN as one of the First target markets(Hopefully SIN and PVG are the first ones) you
would have about a 8 in 30 chance so almost 25%. Just a guess though.


I believe there was a quote from Scott Kirby somewhere stating that SFO-SIN and IAH-SYD would be the first dedicated routes to see Polaris 789s. The schedule actually works out well to operate SFO-SIN 2x daily, SFO-SYD 3x weekly, IAH-SYD 4x weekly, and optionally the daily SFO-IAH-SFO rotation with 6 Polaris-configured frames. The other 4x weekly SFO-SYD, the 3x weekly SFO-MEL, and the LAX-Australia flights could continue to see a rotation of older frames along with the rest of the network.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 5:46 am

jayunited wrote:
These aircraft will have nose to tail AVOD and PDE.

They’ll be installing personal video screens at each economy seat? Would be great to see and an interesting reversal of the “PDE only” philosophy that has been in effect the last few years. Hopefully this will extend to the other domestic deliveries too.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:01 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Another option would be to operate the ORD-HNL/OGG flights with ERs and float the other 2 ERs so they would provide swap out at ORD ever day or so.

I'm sure there are other options including a Spare at HNL, which would really make it work.


Here's my proposed solution:
1) ORD 10:15, HNL 14:32 -> HNL 21:00, SFO 05:03+1
2) SFO 08:45, HNL 11:04 -> HNL 13:10, SFO 21:16
3) SFO 00:45, IAH 06:35 -> IAH 10:00, HNL 13:20 -> HNL 15:50, ORD 04:59+1
4) ORD 10:20, OGG 14:31 -> OGG 16:10, ORD 05:05+1

That gives ample ground times of 2+ hours in most cases (minus the ~1:40 turn at OGG) and allows 2.5 of the 4 longest 772 HD routes (and the top 5 flights by block time) to be covered by the -ER frames, with a consistent daily rotation. Perhaps the ~6.5 hour ground time in HNL between ORD and SFO rotations and the two 5+ hour ground times at ORD could allow some routine maintenance to get done?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 6:20 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
4 772ER - must be due to lavs behind door 2 instead of in front of door 2 in 772A units. 4 more BF at the windows, -6 at the windows in Economy. Big switch in Y vs. E+. Anything to do with lavs by Door 3 or a crew module?


Isn’t there an extra lav on these aircraft at door 4? Between that and the loss of rows aft of door 2, that’s probably where they had to make up the difference.

If they are going through the trouble of installing nose-to-tail AVOD, that could be an indication there is more to come for the domestic 777 fleet.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:21 am

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N2251U scheduled UA2718 PAESFO 29Jan Very quick delivery compared to Ship 2150.
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