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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 10:56 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Anyone know if UA is planning on retrofitting the incoming WN 737-700s with split scimitars? I noticed that only one of the 19 aircraft they are slated to receive already has them - the rest still have the regular blended winglets.


The WN -700 also were not ETOPS. Will united make them ETOPS in their fleet? Engine maintenance varies quite a bit between not ETOPS and ETOPS. Presumably UA has enough ETOPS -700’s now and could create a sub fleet of non ETOPs -700. Anyone know if it’s confirmed they will be brought up to UA’s ETOPS standard?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:13 pm

Pinto wrote:
FSDan wrote:
VC10er wrote:
About UA to LHR: We know EWR has all High-J 763’s, what equipment is being used from other UA hubs to LHR?


Going by current June schedules...

SFO-LHR: 1x 77W + 1x 772
LAX-LHR: 1x 789
DEN-LHR: 1x 789
IAH-LHR: 2x 772
ORD-LHR: 3x 76L
IAD-LHR: 1x 752 + 2x 772
EWR-LHR: 6x 76L


IAD has 1x 76L + 1x 772 + 1x 752


Not on the date I looked at. Which date are you looking at?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 11, 2020 11:27 pm

[quote="Okcflyer"ne know if UA is planning on retrofitting the incoming WN 737-700s with split scimitars? I noticed that only one of the 19 aircraft they are slated to receive already has them - the rest still have the regular blended winglets.[/quote]

The WN -700 also were not ETOPS. Will united make them ETOPS in their fleet? Engine maintenance varies quite a bit between not ETOPS and ETOPS. Presumably UA has enough ETOPS -700’s now and could create a sub fleet of non ETOPs -700. Anyone know if it’s confirmed they will be brought up to UA’s ETOPS standard?[/quote

While the MAX airplanes are grounded? The. Ex-WN airplanes could be backfilling the domestic routed ETOPS 737's so they won't wind up back east stuck I a snow storm somewhere.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:58 am

Okcflyer wrote:
Runway28L wrote:
Anyone know if UA is planning on retrofitting the incoming WN 737-700s with split scimitars? I noticed that only one of the 19 aircraft they are slated to receive already has them - the rest still have the regular blended winglets.


The WN -700 also were not ETOPS. Will united make them ETOPS in their fleet? Engine maintenance varies quite a bit between not ETOPS and ETOPS. Presumably UA has enough ETOPS -700’s now and could create a sub fleet of non ETOPs -700. Anyone know if it’s confirmed they will be brought up to UA’s ETOPS standard?


The 4 COPA aircraft (751-754) are ETOPS qualified so I assume that gives you your answer. Strictly speaking there’s not a reason for the -700 fleet to be ETOPS from a route perspective but I’d imagine fleet flexibility benefits outweighs the maintenance cost.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 3:20 am

Pinto wrote:
FSDan wrote:
VC10er wrote:
About UA to LHR: We know EWR has all High-J 763’s, what equipment is being used from other UA hubs to LHR?


Going by current June schedules...

SFO-LHR: 1x 77W + 1x 772
LAX-LHR: 1x 789
DEN-LHR: 1x 789
IAH-LHR: 2x 772
ORD-LHR: 3x 76L
IAD-LHR: 1x 752 + 2x 772
EWR-LHR: 6x 76L


IAD has 1x 76L + 1x 772 + 1x 752


Interesting: 19 flights a day!
I would have assumed more from SFO and LAX, but it is still impressive at 19 total. Also impressive are 288 Polaris seats everyday from EWR @ $6,655 in April. (Naturally anyone flying on a Corp contact would be paying about half, and X number of award & upgrades, etc) I’ve done 3 RT’s on this route so far: all 6 legs Polaris was 100% full, so I do wonder how many of the 288 on average are paid?

I'm going need to sit down and figure out how many ”Polaris” seats from the USA there are everyday.

I have always thought adding another morning flight from EWR at 7am might work, arriving LHR earlier (about 7pm). More civilized hour to arrive and get comfy in your hotel.

Does anything have the legs to fly HNL/LHR nonstop, RT?

And, as a ”dreamer” I wish UA would launch an all biz A319 from EWR to London City (like BA) - it would be interesting to see if EWR’s proximity to Manhattan’s Financial District would be a draw!

How does 19 flights from USA to LHR stack up against DL & AA? And of the US3, who offers the most lie flat business & First RT to LHR?

Thx!!!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:16 am

VC10er wrote:
Pinto wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Going by current June schedules...

SFO-LHR: 1x 77W + 1x 772
LAX-LHR: 1x 789
DEN-LHR: 1x 789
IAH-LHR: 2x 772
ORD-LHR: 3x 76L
IAD-LHR: 1x 752 + 2x 772
EWR-LHR: 6x 76L


IAD has 1x 76L + 1x 772 + 1x 752


Interesting: 19 flights a day!
I would have assumed more from SFO and LAX, but it is still impressive at 19 total. Also impressive are 288 Polaris seats everyday from EWR @ $6,655 in April. (Naturally anyone flying on a Corp contact would be paying about half, and X number of award & upgrades, etc) I’ve done 3 RT’s on this route so far: all 6 legs Polaris was 100% full, so I do wonder how many of the 288 on average are paid?

I'm going need to sit down and figure out how many ”Polaris” seats from the USA there are everyday.

I have always thought adding another morning flight from EWR at 7am might work, arriving LHR earlier (about 7pm). More civilized hour to arrive and get comfy in your hotel.

Does anything have the legs to fly HNL/LHR nonstop, RT?

And, as a ”dreamer” I wish UA would launch an all biz A319 from EWR to London City (like BA) - it would be interesting to see if EWR’s proximity to Manhattan’s Financial District would be a draw!

How does 19 flights from USA to LHR stack up against DL & AA? And of the US3, who offers the most lie flat business & First RT to LHR?

Thx!!!


HA is looking into HNL-LON once their 789s arrive.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:45 am

Looks like if each if those had the newest Polaris layout, you would have ~880 Polaris seats per day.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:24 am

FSDan wrote:
Pinto wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Going by current June schedules...

SFO-LHR: 1x 77W + 1x 772
LAX-LHR: 1x 789
DEN-LHR: 1x 789
IAH-LHR: 2x 772
ORD-LHR: 3x 76L
IAD-LHR: 1x 752 + 2x 772
EWR-LHR: 6x 76L


IAD has 1x 76L + 1x 772 + 1x 752


Not on the date I looked at. Which date are you looking at?


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:18 am

FSDan wrote:
VC10er wrote:
About UA to LHR: We know EWR has all High-J 763’s, what equipment is being used from other UA hubs to LHR?


Going by current June schedules...

SFO-LHR: 1x 77W + 1x 772
LAX-LHR: 1x 789
DEN-LHR: 1x 789
IAH-LHR: 2x 772
ORD-LHR: 3x 76L
IAD-LHR: 1x 752 + 2x 772
EWR-LHR: 6x 76L


And the total is 18, not 19, daily flights! (VC10er)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 2:23 pm

Best of luck to HAL trying HNL-LON. Last time that was tried it lasted a few months as Western advertised a 1-stop via ANC was just off the great circle routing. Total disaster as was many WA widebody routes like LAX-MIA, which needed a Bahamas tag to generate enough traffic, but just added to the cost and loss of the operation.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:26 pm

Ex-SWA 737-700s, looks like 20 are coming.....737-76N

Nose#/Mfg SN/ N#/ Line# / Date / FMR OPR

0755 32679 N13755 1514 Sep-19 SWA/N7714B (610)
0756 32653 N16756 1566 Dec-19 SWA/N7703A (612)
0757 32661 N18757 1593 Mar-20 SWA/N7706A (614)
0758 32667 N15758 1623 Mar-20 SWA/N7707C (615)
0759 32652 N17759 1627 Apr-20 SWA/N7708E (616)
0760 32654 N24760 1641 Apr-20 SWA/N7709A (617)
0761 32656 N12761 1671 Jun-20 SWA/N7710A (618)
0762 32657 N12762 1687 Jul-20 SWA/N7711N (619)
0763 32660 N12763 1710 Aug-20 SWA/N7712G (620)
0764 32662 N12764 1788 Jan-21 SWA/N7716A (621)
0765 32664 N13765 1804 Feb-21 SWA/N7717D (622)
0766 32665 N16766 1827 Mar-21 SWA/N7718B (623)
0767 32666 N28767 1833 Mar-21 SWA/N7719A (624)
0768 32668 N17768 1876 May-21 SWA/N7722B (625)
0769 32670 N13769 1898 Jun-21 SWA/N7723E (626)
0770 32671 N47770 1925 Jul-21 SWA/N7725A (627)
0771 32673 N13771 1943 Aug-21 SWA/N7727A (628)
0772 32675 N13772 1970 Sep-21 SWA/N7729A (629)
0773 32677 N13773 2002 Oct-21 SWA/N7731A (630)
0774 32678 N13774 2055 Jan-22 SWA/N7733B (631)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:32 pm

17 737-MAX8s so far....

Nose#. Type. Mfg S/N. N#. Line #. Year

7251 737MAX-8 43931 N27251 8035 20
7252 737MAX-8 43932 N27252 8075 20
7253 737MAX-8 43930 N27253 8092 20
7254 737MAX-8 43436 N17254 8104 20
7255 737MAX-8 43440 TBD 8119 20
7256 737MAX-8 64447 TBD 8126 20
7257 737MAX-8 43442 TBD 8133 20
7258 737MAX-8 66593 TBD 8139 20
7259 737MAX-8 43462 TBD 8143 20
7260 737MAX-8 43458 TBD 8151 20
7261 737MAX-8 43464 TBD 8153 20
7262 737MAX-8 66594 TBD 8163 20
7263 737MAX-8 66595 TBD 8182 20
7264 737MAX-8 66596 TBD 8259 20
7265 737MAX-8 TBD TBD 8293 9/20
7266 737MAX-8 TBD TBD 8304 9/20
7267 737MAX-8 TBD TBD 8326 10/20
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:32 pm

Moved AC 5318 and 5946 to the Exit List
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:39 pm

787-10 info update

Nose #. Type. Mfg S/N. Line #. Year. Fmr Operator

1012 787-10 60145 N12012 0964 20 CO
1013 787-10 40931 N13013 0996 20 CO
1014 787-10 40934 N13014 1114 21 CO
1015 787-10 TBD N17015 TBD TBD CO
1016 787-10 TBD N14016 TBD TBD CO
1017 787-10 TBD N17017 TBD TBD CO
1018 787-10 TBD N13018 TBD TBD CO
1019 787-10 TBD N14019 TBD TBD CO
1020 787-10 TBD N12020 TBD TBD CO
1021 787-10 TBD N12021 TBD TBD CO
1022 787-10 TBD N17022 TBD TBD CO
1023 787-10 TBD N14023 TBD TBD CO
1024 787-10 TBD N12024 TBD TBD CO
1025 787-10 TBD N12025 TBD TBD CO
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:42 pm

CALTECH wrote:
787-10 info update

Nose #. Type. Mfg S/N. Line #. Year. Fmr Operator

1012 787-10 60145 N12012 0964 20 CO
1013 787-10 40931 N13013 0996 20 CO
1014 787-10 40934 N13014 1114 21 CO
1015 787-10 TBD N17015 TBD TBD CO
1016 787-10 TBD N14016 TBD TBD CO
1017 787-10 TBD N17017 TBD TBD CO
1018 787-10 TBD N13018 TBD TBD CO
1019 787-10 TBD N14019 TBD TBD CO
1020 787-10 TBD N12020 TBD TBD CO
1021 787-10 TBD N12021 TBD TBD CO
1022 787-10 TBD N17022 TBD TBD CO
1023 787-10 TBD N14023 TBD TBD CO
1024 787-10 TBD N12024 TBD TBD CO
1025 787-10 TBD N12025 TBD TBD CO



I wonder when this mystery order hits the books...
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:44 pm

For any of the UA insiders - any hints of when the China flights will resume? Or just too soon to tell..?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:44 pm

787-9 updates

Nose #. Type. Mfg S/N. N #. Line #. Year. Fmr Operator

0975 787-9 66134 N29975 0960 20 CO
0976 787-9 66135 N24976 0970 20 CO
0977 787-9 66136 N29977 0974 20 CO
0978 787-9 66137 N29978 0986 20 CO
0979 787-9 66141 N24979 1004 20 CO
0980 787-9 66138 TBD 1018 20 CO
0981 787-9 66142 TBD 1022 20 CO
0982 787-9 66139 TBD 1030 20 CO
0983 787-9 66140 TBD 1038 TBD CO
0984 787-9 66143 TBD 1044 TBD CO
0985 787-9 66144 TBD 1048 TBD CO
0986 787-9 66145 TBD 1054 TBD CO
0987 787-9 66146 TBD 1058 TBD CO

So far.....
787-8................12
787-9................37
787-10..............25
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 4:52 pm

Boeing 737-MAX10 updates.

Nose #. Type. Mfg S/N. N#. Line #. Year

7751 737MAX-10 66122 N27751 7644 TBD
7752 737MAX-10 66123 N27752 7705 TBD
7753 737MAX-10 66118 N27753 7935 TBD
7754 737MAX-10 66115 TBD 8124 TBD
7755 737MAX-10 66116 TBD 8163 TBD
7756 737MAX-10 66117 TBD 8182 TBD
7757 737MAX-10 64450 TBD 8204 TBD

So far....
737-MAX8........-17
737-MAX9........-32
737-MAX10......-7

Nose Numbers
7251-7267 (-7500) 737MAX-8
7501-7750 737MAX-9
7751-77XX 737MAX-10
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 5:34 pm

Wow alot of Maxes getting delivered this year if everything gets straightened out
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:11 pm

Pinto wrote:
FSDan wrote:
Pinto wrote:

IAD has 1x 76L + 1x 772 + 1x 752


Not on the date I looked at. Which date are you looking at?


Today and tommorrow


Note the beginning of my post where I mentioned I was looking ahead to June schedules...
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 6:21 pm

VC10er wrote:
How does 19 flights from USA to LHR stack up against DL & AA? And of the US3, who offers the most lie flat business & First RT to LHR?

Thx!!!


Well, the thing is that DL and AA both have metal-neutral JV partners at LHR, which puts UA solidly in 3rd place if you look at the combined totals. UA has more flights than DL does on their own metal (DL has 11), but VS adds 18 more flights. This summer, AA will have 22 flights a day on their own metal (8 of them on the 77W), so definitely the leader of the US3. And of course, BA blows everyone else out of the water with ~43 daily flights, many of them on 744s and 388s.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:23 pm

N676UA Polaris HiJ 763 shows HKG>GUM on Friday 2/14? Normally headed to HNL.

Looks like N652UA is headed HNL>GUM>HKG to replace it.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 7:56 pm

fun2fly wrote:
N676UA Polaris HiJ 763 shows HKG>GUM on Friday 2/14? Normally headed to HNL.

Looks like N652UA is headed HNL>GUM>HKG to replace it.


They are doing this as a way to avoid laying over crews in HKG due to the virus issues/suspended service. You should have seen the absurd pairings built for these trips now. Of course DENTK instructor pilots bought off the crews that were awarded the double 36 hour Guam layover.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:29 pm

kaitakfan wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
N676UA Polaris HiJ 763 shows HKG>GUM on Friday 2/14? Normally headed to HNL.

Looks like N652UA is headed HNL>GUM>HKG to replace it.


They are doing this as a way to avoid laying over crews in HKG due to the virus issues/suspended service. You should have seen the absurd pairings built for these trips now. Of course DENTK instructor pilots bought off the crews that were awarded the double 36 hour Guam layover.


Seniority rules...thanks for the insight. Quick 4 hr trip over the Pacific might get you tired and in need of some R&R in GUM.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:31 pm

UAX Update:

E75SC:
N622UX enters revenue service 13Feb with ExpressJet
N623UX enters revenue service 13Feb with ExpressJet

CR7:
N151GJ exited service, at STL awaiting CR5 mod, will become N530GJ
N173GJ exited service, at STL awaiting CR5 mod, will become N552GJ

CR5:
N508GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, now in revenue service with GoJet (23rd CRJ-550 flying)
N615QX entered MLB for interior mod
N166GJ has been reregistered as N542GJ, exited MLB with interior complete, now at AMA for new livery
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Feb 12, 2020 8:32 pm

Cmac787 wrote:
Wow alot of Maxes getting delivered this year if everything gets straightened out


On top of that, Kirby had publicly stated earlier that UA picked up delivery slots of MAX A/C that some other carriers ended up deferring. Once the MAX can legally fly pax again, UA looks to get a boatload in fairly short order.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:10 am

CALTECH wrote:
Boeing 737-MAX10 updates.

Nose #. Type. Mfg S/N. N#. Line #. Year

7751 737MAX-10 66122 N27751 7644 TBD
7752 737MAX-10 66123 N27752 7705 TBD
7753 737MAX-10 66118 N27753 7935 TBD
7754 737MAX-10 66115 TBD 8124 TBD
7755 737MAX-10 66116 TBD 8163 TBD
7756 737MAX-10 66117 TBD 8182 TBD
7757 737MAX-10 64450 TBD 8204 TBD

So far....
737-MAX8........-17
737-MAX9........-32
737-MAX10......-7




Nose Numbers
7251-7267 (-7500) 737MAX-8
7501-7750 737MAX-9
7751-77XX 737MAX-10


Interesting/odd how they are numbering the 8/10 fleets starting at xx51 rather than xx01... I presume they have reasons.. :scratchchin: :white:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:28 am

CALTECH wrote:
787-10 info update

I’m confused about the 787-9 and 787-10 updates. Are these firm orders and if not why is there this level of detail on future deliveries? If they’re firm orders wouldn’t Boeing and UA want some kind of press release out about them? Seems Boeing especially would given their troubles with the MAX.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 12:51 am

PA815 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
787-10 info update

I’m confused about the 787-9 and 787-10 updates. Are these firm orders and if not why is there this level of detail on future deliveries? If they’re firm orders wouldn’t Boeing and UA want some kind of press release out about them? Seems Boeing especially would given their troubles with the MAX.

The -9s are a done deal... the -10s however... I believe UA and B have it all planned out, but for whatever the reasons the formal contract has not as yet been signed.

Oh yeah...
789
N24796 Delivery UA2706 CHSORD 12Feb.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 1:38 am

LGeneReese wrote:
PA815 wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
787-10 info update

I’m confused about the 787-9 and 787-10 updates. Are these firm orders and if not why is there this level of detail on future deliveries? If they’re firm orders wouldn’t Boeing and UA want some kind of press release out about them? Seems Boeing especially would given their troubles with the MAX.

The -9s are a done deal... the -10s however... I believe UA and B have it all planned out, but for whatever the reasons the formal contract has not as yet been signed.

Oh yeah...
789
N24796 Delivery UA2706 CHSORD 12Feb.


Weren't some (~10) of those 787-10 orders converted to 77Ws that have since been delivered?
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:47 am

Anyone know what the plan is for A320s 430 and 431? Are they already being parted out? We’re they sold? We’re they lease return? Are they awaiting an HMV slot?

I’m just surprised they parked 96’ frames before the 93’ frames. Especially with the MAX being down headed into the summer.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:09 am

fun2fly wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
N676UA Polaris HiJ 763 shows HKG>GUM on Friday 2/14? Normally headed to HNL.

Looks like N652UA is headed HNL>GUM>HKG to replace it.


They are doing this as a way to avoid laying over crews in HKG due to the virus issues/suspended service. You should have seen the absurd pairings built for these trips now. Of course DENTK instructor pilots bought off the crews that were awarded the double 36 hour Guam layover.


Seniority rules...thanks for the insight. Quick 4 hr trip over the Pacific might get you tired and in need of some R&R in GUM.


It’s a turn for them actually so maybe 10.5 hour duty day If all goes well. Which recently it seems the exiting 767’s have gone out without much of a hiccup.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 2:24 pm

319:
N812UA exited SFO 412/11Feb in 12F configuration
N825UA exited LCQ 2763/12Feb, in 2 days of flying doesn't show 12F, so assume wasn't converted to 12F

772:
N785UA entered XMN 2740/12Feb, expect Polaris/PP into mod slot of N797UA. Is N797UA ready to exit or is N785UA being parked or stripped at another parking location?
Now down to 4 ITPE 772s flying.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 3:53 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
772:
N785UA entered XMN 2740/12Feb, expect Polaris/PP into mod slot of N797UA. Is N797UA ready to exit or is N785UA being parked or stripped at another parking location?
Now down to 4 ITPE 772s flying.


N2785UA was just ferried to XMN on February 12th for Polaris/PP.
N797UA is still in modification but remember there was little to no work being done during Chinese New Year.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:00 pm

intotheair wrote:
LGeneReese wrote:
PA815 wrote:
I’m confused about the 787-9 and 787-10 updates. Are these firm orders and if not why is there this level of detail on future deliveries? If they’re firm orders wouldn’t Boeing and UA want some kind of press release out about them? Seems Boeing especially would given their troubles with the MAX.

The -9s are a done deal... the -10s however... I believe UA and B have it all planned out, but for whatever the reasons the formal contract has not as yet been signed.

Oh yeah...
789
N24796 Delivery UA2706 CHSORD 12Feb.


Weren't some (~10) of those 787-10 orders converted to 77Ws that have since been delivered?


No. The list is a 30th January 2020 update. 787-10 delivery dates not published yet......
You are here.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 4:00 pm

kaitakfan wrote:
fun2fly wrote:
kaitakfan wrote:

They are doing this as a way to avoid laying over crews in HKG due to the virus issues/suspended service. You should have seen the absurd pairings built for these trips now. Of course DENTK instructor pilots bought off the crews that were awarded the double 36 hour Guam layover.


Seniority rules...thanks for the insight. Quick 4 hr trip over the Pacific might get you tired and in need of some R&R in GUM.


It’s a turn for them actually so maybe 10.5 hour duty day If all goes well. Which recently it seems the exiting 767’s have gone out without much of a hiccup.


UA did the same thing for aircraft headed to and from XMN as well, instead of having crews layover in XMN they routed them SFO-GUM-XMN-GUM-SFO. The crew layover was in GUM instead of flying nonstop SFO-XMN-SFO.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 6:33 pm

The questions then are:
Is N785UA sitting in HKG until N797UA is completed or is the process underway?
Assuming 772PW Domestic conversion line continues at XMN and one HKG 772PW Polaris line, then N783UA should go in about 4/6. According to my calculations last ITPE unit will be pulled 4/23.
I have a page showing aircraft that need mods along with all 7 HKG and 5 XMN mod lines with guesses of how they will remain filled until summer.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... d-schedule
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 8:26 pm

VC10er wrote:
Pinto wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Going by current June schedules...

SFO-LHR: 1x 77W + 1x 772
LAX-LHR: 1x 789
DEN-LHR: 1x 789
IAH-LHR: 2x 772
ORD-LHR: 3x 76L
IAD-LHR: 1x 752 + 2x 772
EWR-LHR: 6x 76L


IAD has 1x 76L + 1x 772 + 1x 752


Interesting: 19 flights a day!
I would have assumed more from SFO and LAX, but it is still impressive at 19 total. Also impressive are 288 Polaris seats everyday from EWR @ $6,655 in April. (Naturally anyone flying on a Corp contact would be paying about half, and X number of award & upgrades, etc) I’ve done 3 RT’s on this route so far: all 6 legs Polaris was 100% full, so I do wonder how many of the 288 on average are paid?

I'm going need to sit down and figure out how many ”Polaris” seats from the USA there are everyday.

I have always thought adding another morning flight from EWR at 7am might work, arriving LHR earlier (about 7pm). More civilized hour to arrive and get comfy in your hotel.

Does anything have the legs to fly HNL/LHR nonstop, RT?

And, as a ”dreamer” I wish UA would launch an all biz A319 from EWR to London City (like BA) - it would be interesting to see if EWR’s proximity to Manhattan’s Financial District would be a draw!

How does 19 flights from USA to LHR stack up against DL & AA? And of the US3, who offers the most lie flat business & First RT to LHR?

Thx!!!



That's a number i want to see to.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:13 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
The questions then are:
Is N785UA sitting in HKG until N797UA is completed or is the process underway?
Assuming 772PW Domestic conversion line continues at XMN and one HKG 772PW Polaris line, then N783UA should go in about 4/6. According to my calculations last ITPE unit will be pulled 4/23.
I have a page showing aircraft that need mods along with all 7 HKG and 5 XMN mod lines with guesses of how they will remain filled until summer.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... d-schedule


N785UA is not in HKG, N785UA is in XMN for Polaris/PE as is N797UA.

The IPTE to domestic HD conversions will all take place at HKG the 4 tail numbers are N222UA, N221UA, N219UA and N220UA.
These 4 IPTE frames (269 total passengers) will be converted to domestic use, the layout will be 32F/ 72E+/258E- (362 total passengers w/ AVOD nose to tail).

All GE engine 77Es are going through modification at HKG as well.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 9:53 pm

jayunited wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
The questions then are:
Is N785UA sitting in HKG until N797UA is completed or is the process underway?
Assuming 772PW Domestic conversion line continues at XMN and one HKG 772PW Polaris line, then N783UA should go in about 4/6. According to my calculations last ITPE unit will be pulled 4/23.
I have a page showing aircraft that need mods along with all 7 HKG and 5 XMN mod lines with guesses of how they will remain filled until summer.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... d-schedule


N785UA is not in HKG, N785UA is in XMN for Polaris/PE as is N797UA.

The IPTE to domestic HD conversions will all take place at HKG the 4 tail numbers are N222UA, N221UA, N219UA and N220UA.
These 4 IPTE frames (269 total passengers) will be converted to domestic use, the layout will be 32F/ 72E+/258E- (362 total passengers w/ AVOD nose to tail).

All GE engine 77Es are going through modification at HKG as well.



NIce!! the new 772 domestic with full AVOD will make Y more enjoyable lol
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Feb 13, 2020 10:18 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
The questions then are:
Is N785UA sitting in HKG until N797UA is completed or is the process underway?
Assuming 772PW Domestic conversion line continues at XMN and one HKG 772PW Polaris line, then N783UA should go in about 4/6. According to my calculations last ITPE unit will be pulled 4/23.
I have a page showing aircraft that need mods along with all 7 HKG and 5 XMN mod lines with guesses of how they will remain filled until summer.
https://sites.google.com/site/unitedfle ... d-schedule


The amount of time and effort you employ to maintain (not to mention expand) this database never ceases to amaze me... it is very much appreciated, Thank You! :bigthumbsup: :bouncy: :yes:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:03 am

jayunited wrote:
All GE engine 77Es are going through modification at HKG as well.


There appears to be a GE 772 mod line at XMN now (see N77012).
 
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Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:19 am

codc10 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
All GE engine 77Es are going through modification at HKG as well.


There appears to be a GE 772 mod line at XMN now (see N77012).


You are absolutely correct I didn't see N77012 at XMN. Strangely though looking at the modification schedule it is the only GE 77E being modified at XMN.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 12:54 am

According to an article in The Points Guy, this past Monday February 10th UA filed an objection with the DOT requesting they defer PAL's request to add MNL-SEA-MNL. Since the U.S. and the Philippines do not have an open skies agreement each individual government must sign off on any additional flights. UA's position is simply this, since the Philippine government has not approved any of UA's recent request for additional slots and airport infrastructure even a slot that would allow UA at the least to go daily double GUM-MNL-GUM, the DOT should defer PAL's request for SEA.

According to the article PAL has been able to grow their US presence but the Philippine government has not reciprocated leaving UA with only 9 weekly flights (daily GUM and 2x weekly ROR flights).

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ph ... ht-manila/

I'm not sure if this deserves its own thread but the objections UA has raised in recent weeks suggest UA is serious about expanding at MNL but so far the Philippine government will not grant UA the necessary slots or airport infrastructure needed to grow at MNL. Should UA (if they are serious about the Philippines) start looking at other airports perhaps CEB or to a lesser extent CRK because there really is nothing the DOT can do to force the Philippine government to approve UA's request.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 4:14 am

jayunited, is SFO-MNL on the table?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:07 am

jayunited wrote:
According to an article in The Points Guy, this past Monday February 10th UA filed an objection with the DOT requesting they defer PAL's request to add MNL-SEA-MNL. Since the U.S. and the Philippines do not have an open skies agreement each individual government must sign off on any additional flights. UA's position is simply this, since the Philippine government has not approved any of UA's recent request for additional slots and airport infrastructure even a slot that would allow UA at the least to go daily double GUM-MNL-GUM, the DOT should defer PAL's request for SEA.

According to the article PAL has been able to grow their US presence but the Philippine government has not reciprocated leaving UA with only 9 weekly flights (daily GUM and 2x weekly ROR flights).

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ph ... ht-manila/

I'm not sure if this deserves its own thread but the objections UA has raised in recent weeks suggest UA is serious about expanding at MNL but so far the Philippine government will not grant UA the necessary slots or airport infrastructure needed to grow at MNL. Should UA (if they are serious about the Philippines) start looking at other airports perhaps CEB or to a lesser extent CRK because there really is nothing the DOT can do to force the Philippine government to approve UA's request.


I mean, the DOT could do exactly what UA is asking and deny PI’s request to launch SEA unless the Philippine government plays fair.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:04 am

x1234 wrote:
jayunited, is SFO-MNL on the table?


Just a 2nd GUM-MNL.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 1:13 pm

x1234 wrote:
jayunited, is SFO-MNL on the table?


So far the only official request that I know of has been a second GUM-MNL-GUM flight.

The rumors of a SFO-MNL still exist but again those are just rumors. I don't know if UA has or is considering submitting a request to the Philippine government for a slot to operate a flight nonstop from the U.S..

What we do know is UA's requests for more slots and airport infrastructure at MNL so far have been denied. UA now wants the DOT to defer PAL's MNL-SEA request because according to UA PAL has been allowed to expand here in the U.S. whereas the Philippine government has blocked UA at every turn.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 2:42 pm

Sorry about the error of N785UA, which is in XMN. We'll find out later if it's in mod now or just sitting until N797UA exits.
LGeneReese, thanks for the kind words.
The mod schedule is just my estimate of what probably will happen, using average mod times for each conversion and the 12 current mod lines. I'm sure there will be some quicker and longer than estimated and most likely different aircraft types may enter than estimated.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 14, 2020 10:38 pm

UAX Update:

CR5:
N369CA has been reregistered as N522GJ, mod complete and now in revenue service with GoJet (#24)
N511GJ exited MLB with mod complete, ferried AMA for EvoBlu livery

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