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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:30 pm

adamblang wrote:
Looks like complementary cold sandwiches are being offered in economy on flights between DEN/EWR/GUM/IAD/IAH/ORD and HNL:

https://viewfromthewing.com/united-airl ... g-march-1/


That's a welcome service improvement! These are the types of "little" things where DL has been leading the pack, but UA has been moving in the right direction too. Come on, AA, time to make some customer-friendly changes for once!

Does this mean DEN-LIH/OGG/KOA and ORD-OGG don't get the same service? It would seem a bit odd for the other 7+ hour HI flights to be excluded.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 8:51 pm

EWRamp wrote:
3975 has left wing damage


Rumor I heard is that mechanics were taxiing it to a different pad and hit a light pole with the left wing.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 9:16 pm

VC10er wrote:
adamblang wrote:
A good write up (with lots of photos) of the 752 refits: https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-re ... irst-look/


The newly refreshed FIRST CLASS, in truly a ”refresh” and not a ”refurbishment” - if you do not instantly notice United’s new entry branding plaque (which I personally find to be very well designed aesthetically, and does a good job upon stepping aboard to A) Brand the airline, B) in a nice connection to ”all things” new UNITED.)

Regardless: I appreciate it because the 742’s were getting really, really shabby!


It annoys me that the 789 doesn't even have the improved wall/entry branding. I get it takes time and there's a schedule around full Polaris mods, but the lack of Polaris branding aside from kits and menus is startling when you get on that after taking a High-J B763 or 77W.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 10:22 pm

FSDan wrote:
adamblang wrote:
Looks like complementary cold sandwiches are being offered in economy on flights between DEN/EWR/GUM/IAD/IAH/ORD and HNL:

https://viewfromthewing.com/united-airl ... g-march-1/


That's a welcome service improvement! These are the types of "little" things where DL has been leading the pack, but UA has been moving in the right direction too. Come on, AA, time to make some customer-friendly changes for once!

Does this mean DEN-LIH/OGG/KOA and ORD-OGG don't get the same service? It would seem a bit odd for the other 7+ hour HI flights to be excluded.


That does seem odd. I think UA has its own catering in HNL. Probably quicker to implement there and will have to work on vendor contracts in the other cities to ensure the same level of service on both directions of the flight.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Feb 21, 2020 11:50 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
VC10er wrote:
adamblang wrote:
A good write up (with lots of photos) of the 752 refits: https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-re ... irst-look/


The newly refreshed FIRST CLASS, in truly a ”refresh” and not a ”refurbishment” - if you do not instantly notice United’s new entry branding plaque (which I personally find to be very well designed aesthetically, and does a good job upon stepping aboard to A) Brand the airline, B) in a nice connection to ”all things” new UNITED.)

Regardless: I appreciate it because the 742’s were getting really, really shabby!


It annoys me that the 789 doesn't even have the improved wall/entry branding. I get it takes time and there's a schedule around full Polaris mods, but the lack of Polaris branding aside from kits and menus is startling when you get on that after taking a High-J B763 or 77W.


Yes, but it is better to ”under promise and over deliver, than make a promise and under deliver” - I think if I boarded a 789 and it had the new entry signage, only to see the older Diamond seat, I would go from instant EXCITEMENT to instant disappointment when I turned the corner.

Yes, there are ”bits of Polaris” like bedding and pillows. But otherwise it's the same UA experience from 2017.

But once an ac gets the FULL REFURBISHMENT, then have Polaris/PE passengers FULL EXPERIENCE!

I am just so curious about those original FANCY branded bulkheads because when I first saw it, I was thrilled to see United go SO FAR to create and invest in the Polaris atmosphere that they spent BIG on branding the bulkhead.
I was VERY IMPRESSED by PriestmanGoode who did an awesome design job with a limited and dated set of visual brand assets.
I can't even imagine how much each one cost to manufacture, and would LOVE to know. And I really wondered how much one weighed!
I would also love to know the cost for a Polaris seat; per unit! And how much each one weighed!

When I was at Landor, and sat next to the Delta team, my goodness! Delta knew the weight for every every blanket, every seat detail!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:24 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
EWRamp wrote:
3975 has left wing damage


Rumor I heard is that mechanics were taxiing it to a different pad and hit a light pole with the left wing.


Widebodies on the narrowbody lines doesn't end well. New leading edge and she'll be as good as new.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:46 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
EWRamp wrote:
3975 has left wing damage


Rumor I heard is that mechanics were taxiing it to a different pad and hit a light pole with the left wing.


Those rumors are true
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:48 am

guppyflyer wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
EWRamp wrote:
3975 has left wing damage


Rumor I heard is that mechanics were taxiing it to a different pad and hit a light pole with the left wing.


Widebodies on the narrowbody lines doesn't end well. New leading edge and she'll be as good as new.


Might need more than just a leading edge. Looks like it hit a shorter pole first and dragged over it. Wouldn't be surprised if the underside of the wing needs repairing as well
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 12:55 am

AaronPGH wrote:
intotheair wrote:

Nice pictures. They do look a little weird with those old, periwinkle-colored CO style sidewalls and Diamond seat shells, but I suppose it's at least good they're doing something with these birds.


Agreed. Would have loved to see Sky Interior bins/lighting like some of the DL 752s, but this works for the remaining 4-5 years.


Also not replacing the overhead panels and exit signs. The best benefit is for coach passengers with updated IFE.

It's a "Meh" upgrade at best. If they brought more 757s in from the desert and did the same, I'd be a little more excited. Delta's retrofit of the 757s has been far more impressive. AA's Y seats on the refurbishment of the 757 with AA seem to have more padding than UA as well.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 1:30 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
Cmac787 wrote:
Wow alot of Maxes getting delivered this year if everything gets straightened out


On top of that, Kirby had publicly stated earlier that UA picked up delivery slots of MAX A/C that some other carriers ended up deferring. Once the MAX can legally fly pax again, UA looks to get a boatload in fairly short order.

See ? And I'll bet they got them at a mean discount too!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:03 am

N649DL wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:
intotheair wrote:

Nice pictures. They do look a little weird with those old, periwinkle-colored CO style sidewalls and Diamond seat shells, but I suppose it's at least good they're doing something with these birds.


Agreed. Would have loved to see Sky Interior bins/lighting like some of the DL 752s, but this works for the remaining 4-5 years.


Also not replacing the overhead panels and exit signs. The best benefit is for coach passengers with updated IFE.

It's a "Meh" upgrade at best. If they brought more 757s in from the desert and did the same, I'd be a little more excited. Delta's retrofit of the 757s has been far more impressive. AA's Y seats on the refurbishment of the 757 with AA seem to have more padding than UA as well.


Did Delta’s 752’s have an equal amount of life left as UA’s 752’s?

I who know nothing: I wonder how many years of take of and landings can UA actually get out of their 752’s before they are overall just too old and fatigued to safely keep flying?

Also, over the past handful of years since UA had its FIRST TRUE Polaris seat flying (I assume that was the first 77W?) Has Delta undergone a ”similar in magnitude” fleet refurbishment as UA has been doing with their enormous fleet of wide-body aircraft, Polaris Lounges, new UC clubs, new gate areas etc.

It just ”seems” (and naturally I could be wrong) that United required an absolutely enormous and hugely expensive and massive logistical plan to refurb EVERYTHING ”BIG” by the end of 2020 or Q1 of 2021 AND acquired ”how many?” 77W’s, 789’s and 78-10’s and 3 used 763’s in total which all together cost???
Perhaps a line needed to be drawn at making the 752’s look brand new inside from a sky ceiling, new First Class and lavatories down to the newest ashtrays?
They held on for so long waiting for Boeing to provide the answer aircraft (797).

So, realistically: how long can UA’s 752’s keep flying? Is it 5 years? 10 years?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 6:04 am

EWRamp wrote:
guppyflyer wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

Rumor I heard is that mechanics were taxiing it to a different pad and hit a light pole with the left wing.


Widebodies on the narrowbody lines doesn't end well. New leading edge and she'll be as good as new.


Might need more than just a leading edge. Looks like it hit a shorter pole first and dragged over it. Wouldn't be surprised if the underside of the wing needs repairing as well

I’ve seen the pictures... there is definitely structural damage inside the wing as well as out. It will be some time before 0975 flys again..... let alone fly it’s first paying passengers...
On the other hand Ship 0976 departed IAHGRU a few hours ago with its first load of revenue travelers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 7:29 am

VC10er wrote:
N649DL wrote:
AaronPGH wrote:

Agreed. Would have loved to see Sky Interior bins/lighting like some of the DL 752s, but this works for the remaining 4-5 years.


Also not replacing the overhead panels and exit signs. The best benefit is for coach passengers with updated IFE.

It's a "Meh" upgrade at best. If they brought more 757s in from the desert and did the same, I'd be a little more excited. Delta's retrofit of the 757s has been far more impressive. AA's Y seats on the refurbishment of the 757 with AA seem to have more padding than UA as well.


Did Delta’s 752’s have an equal amount of life left as UA’s 752’s?

I who know nothing: I wonder how many years of take of and landings can UA actually get out of their 752’s before they are overall just too old and fatigued to safely keep flying?

Also, over the past handful of years since UA had its FIRST TRUE Polaris seat flying (I assume that was the first 77W?) Has Delta undergone a ”similar in magnitude” fleet refurbishment as UA has been doing with their enormous fleet of wide-body aircraft, Polaris Lounges, new UC clubs, new gate areas etc.

It just ”seems” (and naturally I could be wrong) that United required an absolutely enormous and hugely expensive and massive logistical plan to refurb EVERYTHING ”BIG” by the end of 2020 or Q1 of 2021 AND acquired ”how many?” 77W’s, 789’s and 78-10’s and 3 used 763’s in total which all together cost???
Perhaps a line needed to be drawn at making the 752’s look brand new inside from a sky ceiling, new First Class and lavatories down to the newest ashtrays?
They held on for so long waiting for Boeing to provide the answer aircraft (797).

So, realistically: how long can UA’s 752’s keep flying? Is it 5 years? 10 years?


Yes, DL did. They actually upped the count of them and ended up keeping over 100+ 752s. UA shredded 80+ to retirement and to FedEx. What I can't stand is actually DL dealt with the issue and also order 739ER and A321s and UA just ordered more 739ERs and kept their single class ERJ in response. Delta was way more strategic in this sense, that said, they probably also waited for UA to make the first move and rely on ex-NW's maintenance best practices to keep around their best 757s (including those used for NBA charters which are over 30 years of age at this point.)

UA dumped the 757s to Fedex to make quick cash, and kept their ERJs because they had fluid contracts (and they weren't expanding their E170 fleet at that time because they had scope issues with CO contracts too.) That's why you see UA "invent" the CRJ-550 and keep their 763s flying around. They really don't have much of a choice except for purchasing 2nd hand planes from the Far East to compete. Smisek was so pig headed behind these decisions (like trying to replace the 763s with 789s, wonder how that would've worked out these days?) that he didn't see the bottom line coming: He was WAY behind the times and wanted some sort of UA / CO tie up like CO / EA because of unions. He was Trash!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 11:25 am

UAX Update:

CR5:
N155GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, ferried MLB for interior mod
N378CA (2003 build) ferried AMA for EvoBlu livery. Will be future N524GJ.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:23 pm

78X:
N12012 sked 1st revenue flight 775/22Feb ORD-DEN 1309 departure
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 3:55 pm

We already have one “what if UA kept more 757s” thread. We don’t need another one.

Smiles has been gone for several years. We can’t change the past. People need to get over it and move on.

This thread is about fleet and network updates, not about complaining about what UA did or didn’t do 8 years ago.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 9:40 pm

hOMSaR wrote:
We already have one “what if UA kept more 757s” thread. We don’t need another one.

Smiles has been gone for several years. We can’t change the past. People need to get over it and move on.

This thread is about fleet and network updates, not about complaining about what UA did or didn’t do 8 years ago.


In essence you are correct, this thread is about United today and tomorrow.

But I did ask a ”why?” question about the UA 752 ”spruce up” program. I did not even know that a 757 could get a Boeing Sky ceiling, nor did I know that Delta had refurbished their 752’s to such a great degree, and SHOULD have United gone further than their ”Spruce Up?”

So, first I was curious why Delta saw fit to invest in their 752’s to such a degree? IDK? Are DL’s younger than UA’s?

N649DL’s response to my question required ”past as prologue” and by taking a step back in time, they explained why UNITED today have not refurbished (or plan to) their 752’s to equal degree as Delta, an airline that UA is most often compared to (at least the NEW UNITED) - I thoroughly enjoyed the education. I did not even know that UA had so many 752’s in their fleet (or is that 100 number a combination of UA & CO 752’s?)

Ok, taking another jab at Smisek is beating a dead horse. But difficult to resist!!!. But it seems that UA today is STILL fixing or undoing his bad decisions. Which for me, gets to an extremely relevant point today: ”The degree to which ONE leader of 80,000 employees, of such a complex type of company as a giant global airline is able so greatly impact that airline either positively or negatively! Everything, from the logistics of flying machines to the emotional state of mind of employees and perceptions of the public...is fascinating!”

Making that a current UA issue is: Will Kirby be able to maintain the pride and joy UNITED employees are feeling today, no matter if they originally came from UA or CO.
Will Kirby dig deep into UAL’s pockets to invest in bold innovations that will excite UA’s base and even grow its base?
Or will another item be taken out of the amenity kit? Will Kirby go for the BEST and more expensive version of a NB lie flat ”Polaris-lite” First seat, or decide to save money and go with the ”ok” off the shelf version?
Will Oscar still be going around the network to keep the ”New Spirit” alive.

For UNITED, backsliding would be very harmful.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Feb 22, 2020 10:04 pm

VC10er wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
VC10er wrote:

The newly refreshed FIRST CLASS, in truly a ”refresh” and not a ”refurbishment” - if you do not instantly notice United’s new entry branding plaque (which I personally find to be very well designed aesthetically, and does a good job upon stepping aboard to A) Brand the airline, B) in a nice connection to ”all things” new UNITED.)

Regardless: I appreciate it because the 742’s were getting really, really shabby!


It annoys me that the 789 doesn't even have the improved wall/entry branding. I get it takes time and there's a schedule around full Polaris mods, but the lack of Polaris branding aside from kits and menus is startling when you get on that after taking a High-J B763 or 77W.


Yes, but it is better to ”under promise and over deliver, than make a promise and under deliver” - I think if I boarded a 789 and it had the new entry signage, only to see the older Diamond seat, I would go from instant EXCITEMENT to instant disappointment when I turned the corner.

Yes, there are ”bits of Polaris” like bedding and pillows. But otherwise it's the same UA experience from 2017.

But once an ac gets the FULL REFURBISHMENT, then have Polaris/PE passengers FULL EXPERIENCE!

I am just so curious about those original FANCY branded bulkheads because when I first saw it, I was thrilled to see United go SO FAR to create and invest in the Polaris atmosphere that they spent BIG on branding the bulkhead.
I was VERY IMPRESSED by PriestmanGoode who did an awesome design job with a limited and dated set of visual brand assets.
I can't even imagine how much each one cost to manufacture, and would LOVE to know. And I really wondered how much one weighed!
I would also love to know the cost for a Polaris seat; per unit! And how much each one weighed!

When I was at Landor, and sat next to the Delta team, my goodness! Delta knew the weight for every every blanket, every seat detail!




In my experience with UA the MO has always been the reverse. Over promise under deliver. From the lack of the branding in later 77W you noted. The general decay UA let’s interiors slip into. To the big cuts Polaris has since since its launch.

But this is nothing new, how many planes where still flying in peeling Battleship grey with pre-IPTE seats at merger with CO.


One thing UA does well is branding and marketing. But delivering on that promise has never been a strong suite.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 12:38 am

tpaewr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:

It annoys me that the 789 doesn't even have the improved wall/entry branding. I get it takes time and there's a schedule around full Polaris mods, but the lack of Polaris branding aside from kits and menus is startling when you get on that after taking a High-J B763 or 77W.


Yes, but it is better to ”under promise and over deliver, than make a promise and under deliver” - I think if I boarded a 789 and it had the new entry signage, only to see the older Diamond seat, I would go from instant EXCITEMENT to instant disappointment when I turned the corner.

Yes, there are ”bits of Polaris” like bedding and pillows. But otherwise it's the same UA experience from 2017.

But once an ac gets the FULL REFURBISHMENT, then have Polaris/PE passengers FULL EXPERIENCE!

I am just so curious about those original FANCY branded bulkheads because when I first saw it, I was thrilled to see United go SO FAR to create and invest in the Polaris atmosphere that they spent BIG on branding the bulkhead.
I was VERY IMPRESSED by PriestmanGoode who did an awesome design job with a limited and dated set of visual brand assets.
I can't even imagine how much each one cost to manufacture, and would LOVE to know. And I really wondered how much one weighed!
I would also love to know the cost for a Polaris seat; per unit! And how much each one weighed!

When I was at Landor, and sat next to the Delta team, my goodness! Delta knew the weight for every every blanket, every seat detail!




In my experience with UA the MO has always been the reverse. Over promise under deliver. From the lack of the branding in later 77W you noted. The general decay UA let’s interiors slip into. To the big cuts Polaris has since since its launch.

But this is nothing new, how many planes where still flying in peeling Battleship grey with pre-IPTE seats at merger with CO.


One thing UA does well is branding and marketing. But delivering on that promise has never been a strong suite.

They upped the paint program significantly in the year and a half prior to the merger until Jeffy decided he wanted his little masterpiece. This was also a time during a massive recession and planes needed to be in the air and not paint shops. Meanwhile WN and AS have many planes in their old paint schemes and nobody here on this site calls them out for it. WN took 10 years to get rid of the desert sand livery.

As for IPTE had only been introduced 2.5 years prior to the merger, and UA had over 100 widebodies, so little wonder why those with the old interior still existed. And all of the 763s and 744’s were done by 2010 leaving only the 777s which began in early 2010.

Meanwhile, it’s 4 years since Polaris came out and still many aircraft are flying with old interiors, some that CO retrofitted more than 10 years ago.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:17 am

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They upped the paint program significantly in the year and a half prior to the merger until Jeffy decided he wanted his little masterpiece.


If it was all about what "Jeffy" wanted, then why wasn't the Continental name retained, too???

Even as a (now retired)CO employee, I was a fan of the United Rising / tri-blue scheme and would have been OK with that one surviving. But it didn't because it was simply cheaper to keep the legacy-CO scheme. Smisek was ALL about the Benjamins, eh? More than once, I heard it said that Smisek would sell his mother for a fraction of a penny in CASM.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 5:39 am

N649DL wrote:
Delta's retrofit of the 757s has been far more impressive.


Oh, like the 75Hs that recycled used seats with an ancient AVOD system? Or the international 75S, which got essentially the same treatment as what UA is doing to their international 757s? Let's be fair here. Some of DL's 757s got the complete refurbishment package. Others didn't - frustratingly the long-haul fleets that needed it most (the 75H and 75S fleets). What UA did for 4-5 years of use scores the needed improvement. You know what's nice about the change? At least the will be consistent, unlike DL's 752s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:26 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
78X:
N12012 sked 1st revenue flight 775/22Feb ORD-DEN 1309 departure

Didn’t happen, don’t know why. 1012 still in IAD. Looks will try again on 23rd..
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:29 am

UA444 wrote:
tpaewr wrote:
VC10er wrote:

Yes, but it is better to ”under promise and over deliver, than make a promise and under deliver” - I think if I boarded a 789 and it had the new entry signage, only to see the older Diamond seat, I would go from instant EXCITEMENT to instant disappointment when I turned the corner.

Yes, there are ”bits of Polaris” like bedding and pillows. But otherwise it's the same UA experience from 2017.

But once an ac gets the FULL REFURBISHMENT, then have Polaris/PE passengers FULL EXPERIENCE!

I am just so curious about those original FANCY branded bulkheads because when I first saw it, I was thrilled to see United go SO FAR to create and invest in the Polaris atmosphere that they spent BIG on branding the bulkhead.
I was VERY IMPRESSED by PriestmanGoode who did an awesome design job with a limited and dated set of visual brand assets.
I can't even imagine how much each one cost to manufacture, and would LOVE to know. And I really wondered how much one weighed!
I would also love to know the cost for a Polaris seat; per unit! And how much each one weighed!

When I was at Landor, and sat next to the Delta team, my goodness! Delta knew the weight for every every blanket, every seat detail!




In my experience with UA the MO has always been the reverse. Over promise under deliver. From the lack of the branding in later 77W you noted. The general decay UA let’s interiors slip into. To the big cuts Polaris has since since its launch.

But this is nothing new, how many planes where still flying in peeling Battleship grey with pre-IPTE seats at merger with CO.


One thing UA does well is branding and marketing. But delivering on that promise has never been a strong suite.

They upped the paint program significantly in the year and a half prior to the merger until Jeffy decided he wanted his little masterpiece. This was also a time during a massive recession and planes needed to be in the air and not paint shops. Meanwhile WN and AS have many planes in their old paint schemes and nobody here on this site calls them out for it. WN took 10 years to get rid of the desert sand livery.

As for IPTE had only been introduced 2.5 years prior to the merger, and UA had over 100 widebodies, so little wonder why those with the old interior still existed. And all of the 763s and 744’s were done by 2010 leaving only the 777s which began in early 2010.

Meanwhile, it’s 4 years since Polaris came out and still many aircraft are flying with old interiors, some that CO retrofitted more than 10 years ago.


There simply no comparison to bankruptcy-era UA. None. The current company is spending orders of magnitude more in terms of aircraft retrofits and paint jobs... not to mention preventive maintenance and addressing deferred items.

The IPTE program is a rollout UA is specifically trying not to repeat, starting with the fact that 747/767 mods were essentially a half-job... Economy cabins got new seat covers... that’s it. It was a bare-minimum program that was eventually squeezed dry to pinch pennies.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:31 am

LGeneReese wrote:
EWRamp wrote:
guppyflyer wrote:

Widebodies on the narrowbody lines doesn't end well. New leading edge and she'll be as good as new.


Might need more than just a leading edge. Looks like it hit a shorter pole first and dragged over it. Wouldn't be surprised if the underside of the wing needs repairing as well

I’ve seen the pictures... there is definitely structural damage inside the wing as well as out. It will be some time before 0975 flys again..... let alone fly it’s first paying passengers...
On the other hand Ship 0976 departed IAHGRU a few hours ago with its first load of revenue travelers.

Have seen a security Cam vid of the event... :o :shock: :roll: :brokenheart: :crazy: :cry2: :eyepopping: :faint: :faint: :white:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 2:44 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
LGeneReese wrote:
EWRamp wrote:

Might need more than just a leading edge. Looks like it hit a shorter pole first and dragged over it. Wouldn't be surprised if the underside of the wing needs repairing as well

I’ve seen the pictures... there is definitely structural damage inside the wing as well as out. It will be some time before 0975 flys again..... let alone fly it’s first paying passengers...
On the other hand Ship 0976 departed IAHGRU a few hours ago with its first load of revenue travelers.

Have seen a security Cam vid of the event... :o :shock: :roll: :brokenheart: :crazy: :cry2: :eyepopping: :faint: :faint: :white:


I've seen it as well
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

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# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....
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738:
N12218 entered AMA 2756/22Feb for EvoBlu livery

78X:
N12012 exited Induction 2762/23Feb, no 1st revenue flight sked
 
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The fleet changes, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

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Sun Feb 23, 2020 7:05 pm

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# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....

I suspect this repair is not included in the warranty. Will be interesting to see how long it takes.
 
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 8:27 pm

SkyWest CRJ2 N431SW is now flying for UA and it has new colors.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:05 pm

I see the IAH-CUN-IAH in the schedule with the 777 GE birds x2 daily and the IAH-PHX run with it 1x daily loaded. Any others out there?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:09 pm

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UA444 wrote:
tpaewr wrote:



In my experience with UA the MO has always been the reverse. Over promise under deliver. From the lack of the branding in later 77W you noted. The general decay UA let’s interiors slip into. To the big cuts Polaris has since since its launch.

But this is nothing new, how many planes where still flying in peeling Battleship grey with pre-IPTE seats at merger with CO.


One thing UA does well is branding and marketing. But delivering on that promise has never been a strong suite.

They upped the paint program significantly in the year and a half prior to the merger until Jeffy decided he wanted his little masterpiece. This was also a time during a massive recession and planes needed to be in the air and not paint shops. Meanwhile WN and AS have many planes in their old paint schemes and nobody here on this site calls them out for it. WN took 10 years to get rid of the desert sand livery.

As for IPTE had only been introduced 2.5 years prior to the merger, and UA had over 100 widebodies, so little wonder why those with the old interior still existed. And all of the 763s and 744’s were done by 2010 leaving only the 777s which began in early 2010.

Meanwhile, it’s 4 years since Polaris came out and still many aircraft are flying with old interiors, some that CO retrofitted more than 10 years ago.


There simply no comparison to bankruptcy-era UA. None. The current company is spending orders of magnitude more in terms of aircraft retrofits and paint jobs... not to mention preventive maintenance and addressing deferred items.

The IPTE program is a rollout UA is specifically trying not to repeat, starting with the fact that 747/767 mods were essentially a half-job... Economy cabins got new seat covers... that’s it. It was a bare-minimum program that was eventually squeezed dry to pinch pennies.

I wish they had gotten a full refit in Y and it was disappointing they didn’t, but part of the reason why the 763 and 744 didn’t get an overhaul to redo the Y section was because they didn’t intend on flying them this long. And yes, they had to be picky at the time on where they spent some capital. Thats why the 777’s got nose to tail refits, since they were part of the long term plan and quite young at the time. The 25 788’s they ordered in 2009 were to replace the 21 international 763’s and the 25 A350s was to replace the 744. They weren’t interested in the 773 and wanted the next gen engine tech beyond that. Nobody could’ve seen them operating the older 767s today. I’m glad they’re still going but that wasn’t the intent back in 2009 when they ordered new aircraft. The domestic 767s were rumored to convert to international configuration back on FT around 2009. They had already gotten an engine upgrade to increase the MTOW a year earlier and that was reported here.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 9:11 pm

UA444 wrote:
codc10 wrote:
UA444 wrote:
They upped the paint program significantly in the year and a half prior to the merger until Jeffy decided he wanted his little masterpiece. This was also a time during a massive recession and planes needed to be in the air and not paint shops. Meanwhile WN and AS have many planes in their old paint schemes and nobody here on this site calls them out for it. WN took 10 years to get rid of the desert sand livery.

As for IPTE had only been introduced 2.5 years prior to the merger, and UA had over 100 widebodies, so little wonder why those with the old interior still existed. And all of the 763s and 744’s were done by 2010 leaving only the 777s which began in early 2010.

Meanwhile, it’s 4 years since Polaris came out and still many aircraft are flying with old interiors, some that CO retrofitted more than 10 years ago.


There simply no comparison to bankruptcy-era UA. None. The current company is spending orders of magnitude more in terms of aircraft retrofits and paint jobs... not to mention preventive maintenance and addressing deferred items.

The IPTE program is a rollout UA is specifically trying not to repeat, starting with the fact that 747/767 mods were essentially a half-job... Economy cabins got new seat covers... that’s it. It was a bare-minimum program that was eventually squeezed dry to pinch pennies.

I wish they had gotten a full refit in Y and it was disappointing they didn’t, but part of the reason why the 763 and 744 didn’t get an overhaul to redo the Y section was because they didn’t intend on flying them this long. And yes, they had to be picky at the time on where they spent some capital. Thats why the 777’s got nose to tail refits, since they were part of the long term plan and quite young at the time. The 25 788’s they ordered in 2009 were to replace the 21 international 763’s and the 25 A350s was to replace the 744. They weren’t interested in the 773 and wanted the next gen engine tech beyond that. Nobody could’ve seen them operating the older 767s today. I’m glad they’re still going but that wasn’t the intent back in 2009 when they ordered new aircraft.


Covid-19 will clean out the 763's shortly.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 10:20 pm

drerx7 wrote:
I see the IAH-CUN-IAH in the schedule with the 777 GE birds x2 daily and the IAH-PHX run with it 1x daily loaded. Any others out there?


In addition to those two you mentioned, they also have Polaris 772s flying the following:
EWR/IAD/ORD-LAS
EWR-TPA
SFO-CUN

There’s a few hub-hub upgauges as well.
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:25 pm

1989worstyear wrote:
UA444 wrote:
codc10 wrote:

There simply no comparison to bankruptcy-era UA. None. The current company is spending orders of magnitude more in terms of aircraft retrofits and paint jobs... not to mention preventive maintenance and addressing deferred items.

The IPTE program is a rollout UA is specifically trying not to repeat, starting with the fact that 747/767 mods were essentially a half-job... Economy cabins got new seat covers... that’s it. It was a bare-minimum program that was eventually squeezed dry to pinch pennies.

I wish they had gotten a full refit in Y and it was disappointing they didn’t, but part of the reason why the 763 and 744 didn’t get an overhaul to redo the Y section was because they didn’t intend on flying them this long. And yes, they had to be picky at the time on where they spent some capital. Thats why the 777’s got nose to tail refits, since they were part of the long term plan and quite young at the time. The 25 788’s they ordered in 2009 were to replace the 21 international 763’s and the 25 A350s was to replace the 744. They weren’t interested in the 773 and wanted the next gen engine tech beyond that. Nobody could’ve seen them operating the older 767s today. I’m glad they’re still going but that wasn’t the intent back in 2009 when they ordered new aircraft.


Covid-19 will clean out the 763's shortly.

How when no UA 763s go tpac...
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Sun Feb 23, 2020 11:27 pm

CALTECH wrote:
# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....


Do you know if it was on a non-movement area or was ATC involved?
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 12:15 am

tpaewr wrote:
VC10er wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:

It annoys me that the 789 doesn't even have the improved wall/entry branding. I get it takes time and there's a schedule around full Polaris mods, but the lack of Polaris branding aside from kits and menus is startling when you get on that after taking a High-J B763 or 77W.


Yes, but it is better to ”under promise and over deliver, than make a promise and under deliver” - I think if I boarded a 789 and it had the new entry signage, only to see the older Diamond seat, I would go from instant EXCITEMENT to instant disappointment when I turned the corner.

Yes, there are ”bits of Polaris” like bedding and pillows. But otherwise it's the same UA experience from 2017.

But once an ac gets the FULL REFURBISHMENT, then have Polaris/PE passengers FULL EXPERIENCE!

I am just so curious about those original FANCY branded bulkheads because when I first saw it, I was thrilled to see United go SO FAR to create and invest in the Polaris atmosphere that they spent BIG on branding the bulkhead.
I was VERY IMPRESSED by PriestmanGoode who did an awesome design job with a limited and dated set of visual brand assets.
I can't even imagine how much each one cost to manufacture, and would LOVE to know. And I really wondered how much one weighed!
I would also love to know the cost for a Polaris seat; per unit! And how much each one weighed!

When I was at Landor, and sat next to the Delta team, my goodness! Delta knew the weight for every every blanket, every seat detail!




In my experience with UA the MO has always been the reverse. Over promise under deliver. From the lack of the branding in later 77W you noted. The general decay UA let’s interiors slip into. To the big cuts Polaris has since since its launch.

But this is nothing new, how many planes where still flying in peeling Battleship grey with pre-IPTE seats at merger with CO.


One thing UA does well is branding and marketing. But delivering on that promise has never been a strong suite.


Perhaps you are referring to an older UA or a merger ness of UA & CO “merger of equals”?

Ok, from the launch of Polaris a few great little touches didn’t work out in practice; the champagne flutes with cocktail tray, the “Book-like” amenity kits must have been pricy but didn’t function as well, the wine flight and the beautiful bulkhead design (I don’t know why they stopped installing them?? BUT, as the saying goes “A watched pot never boils” - overhauling from where UA was to where they will be in 12 months does indeed live up to the promise of “the new spirit of UNITED” - I just flew a 787-10 in Polaris last Thursday. Aside from the bulkhead “I” loved, some might prefer the simple silver silk? It looks clean, crisp and new. The cabin itself with the Polaris seat design is still unmistakable for ANY other airline. The trip was a perfect 10 for a Business Class flight. My forward seat is perfectly designed, beautiful finishes with customized/bespoke touches like the clear blue wrap around mini wall with the “United Dashes” detailing, which is used on the blue band on the seat walls, lavatory backsplashes, and even at the gate counters, the nice brushed aluminum handles (Priestman/Goode got it all designed perfectly. Their many years of experience have benefited United. The Polaris Lounges are better than expectations, where UA controls the gates, the seating is beautiful, desks, power are beautiful, the white and chrome computers on a beautiful white and chrome gate desk, looks fabulous. The service was great, the duvet and pillows (including the gel pillows, turn down service if desired. Oscar said “A GOOD SLEEP WAS PARAMOUNT” for business sky warriors is getting done quickly at enormous cost. The high-J 763 is just astonishing for a 763. She looks and smells brand new.

I can only speak to NYC marketing; YEAH! United looks like it owns Manhattan! I don’t know UA’s share of the Manhattan market but someone from Mars would think United is “THE TOPS” by sheer presence. TC was a lemon and UA made great lemonade from it, apart from the United Club calamity.

My single concern is will Kirby keep up both the operations and the emotions flying high?

The 737MAX situation sucks, but that is not on United’s doorstep!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:26 am

drerx7 wrote:
How when no UA 763s go tpac...

I assume they COVID-19 is causing a global air travel contraction of unknown length; with less air travel demand, you park the oldest paid off planes to shrink accordingly. Those oldest, paid off planes are the 763s. Other aircraft that are newer and/or are financed and/or are leased would backfill them.

That said, I don't think the 763s get parked. Use 'em to backfill the MAXes or grow domestically – whatever the strategic imperative of the day is.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:21 am

Any idea when 3062 is due out of HKG? It looked like ERS was 3/25 a few weeks back. Wondering if they have revised the return time with all the issues going on over there in HKG. Thanks!
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 4:39 am

jetblastdubai wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....


Do you know if it was on a non-movement area or was ATC involved?


Non-Movement area. ATC mot involved.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:39 pm

N78008 772 GE Polaris Mod looks to exit HKG to GUM tomorrow.
 
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Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:13 pm

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N78008 772 GE Polaris Mod looks to exit HKG to GUM tomorrow.



N78009 was scheduled to enter HKG for Polaris Mods. I haven't had a chance to look yet but I believe on Saturday it was schedule to ferry position SFO-GUM and I believe on the 25th N78009 will ferry position GUM-HKG. At least this was the schedule as listed this past Friday.

If N78009 did in fact ferry over to Guam it would mean there would only be 4 GE 77Es and 1 PW 77E in service needing Polaris/PE. Of course we have to adjust for the 3 remaining PW 77Es that will be converted to HD domestic layout.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:48 pm

319:
N823UA entered SFO 2440/21Feb, sked exit412/24Feb, potential 12F config, but seat map still shows 8F

763:
N646UA entered MCO maint 2763/23Feb

772:
N774UA sked to enter HKG 2700/25Feb, maint. crew probably to turn to N78008
N77008 confirmed to sked to exit HKG 2699/25Feb with Polaris/PP
N78009 sitting in GUM, probably will ferry when N74007 exits - should be about 3 days behind N77008

N789/X:
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N29978 is now in Pre Flight
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 12:34 am

UAX Update:

CR5:
N542GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, at STL awaiting service entry

E175SC:
All 25 ExpressJet 175SCs will transfer to Skywest over the next 15 months

E145XR:
TransStates Airlines will dissolve by the end of 2020. All 36 XRs will be transferred to ExpressJet
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 5:12 am

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR5:
N542GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, at STL awaiting service entry

E175SC:
All 25 ExpressJet 175SCs will transfer to Skywest over the next 15 months

E145XR:
TransStates Airlines will dissolve by the end of 2020. All 36 XRs will be transferred to ExpressJet

I think that’s where most, if not all, of the 145XRs came from... All those EV pilots who just moved to the 175 now have to go back.... :hissyfit: :hissyfit: :banghead:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 6:48 am

319:
N823UA confirmed with 12F configuration
N4866U ferried GYR-LCQ 2706/24Feb for Induction, Former Shaheen unit

752:
N17139 sked to exit SAT 2701/25Feb in 16/160 config.

772:
N78009 entered XMN 2698/25Feb for Polaris/PP

788:
N26906 sked to exit XMN 2699/26Feb with Polaris/PP
N29907 sked to enter XMN 2698/26Feb for Polaris/PP
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 2:29 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....

I suspect this repair is not included in the warranty. Will be interesting to see how long it takes.


Boeing is supposed to be on the aircraft Wednesday when the contract will be finalized, is the story coming out of ORD.

FlyHossD wrote:
UA444 wrote:
They upped the paint program significantly in the year and a half prior to the merger until Jeffy decided he wanted his little masterpiece.


If it was all about what "Jeffy" wanted, then why wasn't the Continental name retained, too???

Even as a (now retired)CO employee, I was a fan of the United Rising / tri-blue scheme and would have been OK with that one surviving. But it didn't because it was simply cheaper to keep the legacy-CO scheme. Smisek was ALL about the Benjamins, eh? More than once, I heard it said that Smisek would sell his mother for a fraction of a penny in CASM.


This is just a Continental hater. These rants are just that, rants. Seems to think he is in the know, but knows nothing and can not accept why things are/were done the way they have been at United. Seems to think he knows better than anyone at United. Reference the almost 5 year old ex-CEO name brought up as a vapid point, which is so factually incorrect..

jetblastdubai wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....


Do you know if it was on a non-movement area or was ATC involved?


Heard ATC gave them clearance. Video shows ran the wing over a short pole then hit a taller light pole. Taller pole hit made the nose swing left about 3-4 or more feet. Looks like a taxiway, BB2? by the De-icing pad.

TrafficCop wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
# 0975, not rumors, Boeing will do repair with AOG Team.....

Video, looks like that taxiway is only for smaller aircraft. Heard it was during taxi training. Pictures are of the ouch level.....


Do you know if it was on a non-movement area or was ATC involved?


Non-Movement area. ATC mot involved.


Hmmmm, heard different version. ATC supposedly cleared them onto that taxiway, BB2.

http://docplayer.net/48573947-Chicago-o ... dures.html


" 4-5. Airport Movement Area The Airport Movement Area of O’Hare Airport is all runways, taxiways, and other areas which are utilized for taxiing/hover-taxiing, air taxiing, takeoff, and landing of aircraft, exclusive of loading ramps and parking areas. "

kaitakfan wrote:
Any idea when 3062 is due out of HKG? It looked like ERS was 3/25 a few weeks back. Wondering if they have revised the return time with all the issues going on over there in HKG. Thanks!


ETR is 3/5, they are on day 16 of 25 day hold. No revision, on track for now.......


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:26 pm

Does anyone know why the 777 and 787s are now being routed through GUM for modification ferry flights? Is this due to Coronavirus risk and a desire to quarantine aircraft and crews?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Feb 25, 2020 3:35 pm

GmoneyCO wrote:
Does anyone know why the 777 and 787s are now being routed through GUM for modification ferry flights? Is this due to Coronavirus risk and a desire to quarantine aircraft and crews?


Yes, it is due to Coronavirus. I think it was stated earlier in this thread (or another), it is for routing of people and planes.
It facilitates that no crew layovers in HKG. They stay in Guam. I think the routing is SFO-GUM-HKG-GUM-SFO.
 
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UAL sending 77W from SFO -> GUM today

Tue Feb 25, 2020 7:32 pm

Hello a.nutters,

I see UAL is sending 77W from SFO -> GUM today. Does anyone know why?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/UAL2747

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