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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 9:58 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
FSDan wrote:
intotheair wrote:
Some developments on the wires:

March 10 (Reuters) - United Airlines Holdings Inc (UAL):

* UNITED AIRLINES PRESIDENT SAYS NOT TAKING DELIVERY OF A SINGLE AIRCRAFT - JP MORGAN CONF

* UNITED AIRLINES PRESIDENT SAYS OUR GROSS BOOKINGS IN THE PACIFIC ARE DOWN ABOUT 70% - JP MORGAN CONF

* UNITED AIRLINES PRESIDENT SAYS, GROSS BOOKINGS ARE NOW DOWN ABOUT 50% IN EUROPE - JP MORGAN CONF

* UNITED AIRLINES PRESIDENT SAYS, DOMESTICALLY, CURRENTLY SEEING NET BOOKINGS DOWN ABOUT 70% AND GROSS BOOKINGS DOWN ABOUT 25% - JP MORGAN CONF

* UNITED AIRLINES PRESIDENT SAYS PLANNING FOR DOMESTIC BOOKINGS TO DETERIORATE FURTHER IN THE WEEKS TO COME - JP MORGAN CONF

* UNITED PRESIDENT SAYS IT COULD TAKE 18 MTHS FOR A FULL RECOVERY - JP MORGAN CONF

.....

* UNITED PRESIDENT SAYS CAPEX WILL NOT COME BACK FOR 2-4 YEARS

It was all fun while it lasted I guess....


Dang. This sucks!


And somehow UAL stock is up 10-12%

This is where I shrug my shoulders and realize I will never understand the stock market, but god bless those that do.

Kirby is getting ahead of curve and making the changes needed to ensure united airlines have plenty of cash through the worst case scenario.

That kind of stuff encourages investors.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:33 pm

tphuang wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Dang. This sucks!


And somehow UAL stock is up 10-12%

This is where I shrug my shoulders and realize I will never understand the stock market, but god bless those that do.

Kirby is getting ahead of curve and making the changes needed to ensure united airlines have plenty of cash through the worst case scenario.

That kind of stuff encourages investors.


Scott has his hands full by assuming control of the airline at the beginning of a difficult time. This will be a good test of his leadership abilities.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 10:37 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
Very sad to hear UA is going to shrink! It is surprising that UA management has no plan to enhance customer experience with COVID19 to get people back on their planes. I read yesterday that UA is making it harder to change flights during a schedule change. That is not a way to attract customers.


Do you mean enhance the flying experience by giving flyers COVID-19 or enhance the flying experience of people with COVID-19?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 10, 2020 11:30 pm

Pi7472000 wrote:
Very sad to hear UA is going to shrink! It is surprising that UA management has no plan to enhance customer experience with COVID19 to get people back on their planes. I read yesterday that UA is making it harder to change flights during a schedule change. That is not a way to attract customers.


Why are people getting so bent out of shape over the change to the refund policy. Most people are not effected by the policy change which only states that if UA can not accommodate you within 25 hours of your original departure time you can request a refund. However the part most people missed was where the policy stated you do not have to accept the itinerary changes and can still request a refund. I get it 25 hours v.s. 2 hours can seem like an eternity but if the alternate options provided do not meet your needs UA will still refund you your money and agents do not have to wait for the 25 hour clock to expire.

What I find kind of funny is how social media and some in regular media seem to believe just because UA has been the most vocal in our plans and the only US carrier to really lead in trying to manage the fallout from COVID-19 that somehow means UA is shrinking or in some type of financial trouble, when the exact opposite is true. UA has a very strong balance sheet, our debt is very much under control and the steps UA has already announced are necessary to stay in front of the coronavirus. Just from listening to the news across the country major coporate events and trade shows are being canceled, major corporations have suspended all corporate travel and have advised their employees to avoid nonessential travel. After China was suspended there was a slight uptick in domestic travel and people were shifting their spring break plans which is why for the first half of March our load factors have held. But as we enter the second half of March and April and as COVID-19 spreads here in the U.S. cancellations are rising. Could it be that some airlines are hoping COVID-19 disappears as the weather warms? That could be the case but what happens if the number of cases in the US continue to rise and April bookings remain at their current level or worse continue to fall. With UA's high number of union represented employees failure to act in an appropriate time frame could cost UA money. An airline like UA has to act now to what we are seeing in April and by the end of March we will have to make a decision about May. An airline like DL which has a much smaller union work force can wait and let more time pass before they make decisions because most of their workforce has no protection or contract that DL has to follow. So DL can pull capacity out of their network with little lead in time and bank the savings, whereas UA because of union contracts wouldn't see any savings at all. Why AA which has a high number of union employees hasn't announced any major changes domestically I don't know but don't assume that just because AA and DL are silent for the moment that UA is the airline that is in the most trouble or that UA is now shrinking. I think a lot of people in the US (myself included are/were in denial) about the spread of this virus simply because the US was not testing people. Here in Chicago over the past 3 days since the US has started testing more people Chicago has gone from 4 cases to 11 cases of confirmed coronavirus and the state of Illinois over that same time period has gone from 4 cases to 19 confirmed cases and that is just over the past 3 days. Imagine how much higher that number will go as more people are tested and then imagine the impact those higher number will have on domestic air travel.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 12:28 am

jayunited wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Very sad to hear UA is going to shrink! It is surprising that UA management has no plan to enhance customer experience with COVID19 to get people back on their planes. I read yesterday that UA is making it harder to change flights during a schedule change. That is not a way to attract customers.


Why are people getting so bent out of shape over the change to the refund policy. Most people are not effected by the policy change which only states that if UA can not accommodate you within 25 hours of your original departure time you can request a refund. However the part most people missed was where the policy stated you do not have to accept the itinerary changes and can still request a refund. I get it 25 hours v.s. 2 hours can seem like an eternity but if the alternate options provided do not meet your needs UA will still refund you your money and agents do not have to wait for the 25 hour clock to expire.

What I find kind of funny is how social media and some in regular media seem to believe just because UA has been the most vocal in our plans and the only US carrier to really lead in trying to manage the fallout from COVID-19 that somehow means UA is shrinking or in some type of financial trouble, when the exact opposite is true. UA has a very strong balance sheet, our debt is very much under control and the steps UA has already announced are necessary to stay in front of the coronavirus. Just from listening to the news across the country major coporate events and trade shows are being canceled, major corporations have suspended all corporate travel and have advised their employees to avoid nonessential travel. After China was suspended there was a slight uptick in domestic travel and people were shifting their spring break plans which is why for the first half of March our load factors have held. But as we enter the second half of March and April and as COVID-19 spreads here in the U.S. cancellations are rising. Could it be that some airlines are hoping COVID-19 disappears as the weather warms? That could be the case but what happens if the number of cases in the US continue to rise and April bookings remain at their current level or worse continue to fall. With UA's high number of union represented employees failure to act in an appropriate time frame could cost UA money. An airline like UA has to act now to what we are seeing in April and by the end of March we will have to make a decision about May. An airline like DL which has a much smaller union work force can wait and let more time pass before they make decisions because most of their workforce has no protection or contract that DL has to follow. So DL can pull capacity out of their network with little lead in time and bank the savings, whereas UA because of union contracts wouldn't see any savings at all. Why AA which has a high number of union employees hasn't announced any major changes domestically I don't know but don't assume that just because AA and DL are silent for the moment that UA is the airline that is in the most trouble or that UA is now shrinking. I think a lot of people in the US (myself included are/were in denial) about the spread of this virus simply because the US was not testing people. Here in Chicago over the past 3 days since the US has started testing more people Chicago has gone from 4 cases to 11 cases of confirmed coronavirus and the state of Illinois over that same time period has gone from 4 cases to 19 confirmed cases and that is just over the past 3 days. Imagine how much higher that number will go as more people are tested and then imagine the impact those higher number will have on domestic air travel.



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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 1:35 am

jayunited wrote:
Pi7472000 wrote:
Very sad to hear UA is going to shrink! It is surprising that UA management has no plan to enhance customer experience with COVID19 to get people back on their planes. I read yesterday that UA is making it harder to change flights during a schedule change. That is not a way to attract customers.


Why are people getting so bent out of shape over the change to the refund policy. Most people are not effected by the policy change which only states that if UA can not accommodate you within 25 hours of your original departure time you can request a refund. However the part most people missed was where the policy stated you do not have to accept the itinerary changes and can still request a refund. I get it 25 hours v.s. 2 hours can seem like an eternity but if the alternate options provided do not meet your needs UA will still refund you your money and agents do not have to wait for the 25 hour clock to expire.

What I find kind of funny is how social media and some in regular media seem to believe just because UA has been the most vocal in our plans and the only US carrier to really lead in trying to manage the fallout from COVID-19 that somehow means UA is shrinking or in some type of financial trouble, when the exact opposite is true. UA has a very strong balance sheet, our debt is very much under control and the steps UA has already announced are necessary to stay in front of the coronavirus. Just from listening to the news across the country major coporate events and trade shows are being canceled, major corporations have suspended all corporate travel and have advised their employees to avoid nonessential travel. After China was suspended there was a slight uptick in domestic travel and people were shifting their spring break plans which is why for the first half of March our load factors have held. But as we enter the second half of March and April and as COVID-19 spreads here in the U.S. cancellations are rising. Could it be that some airlines are hoping COVID-19 disappears as the weather warms? That could be the case but what happens if the number of cases in the US continue to rise and April bookings remain at their current level or worse continue to fall. With UA's high number of union represented employees failure to act in an appropriate time frame could cost UA money. An airline like UA has to act now to what we are seeing in April and by the end of March we will have to make a decision about May. An airline like DL which has a much smaller union work force can wait and let more time pass before they make decisions because most of their workforce has no protection or contract that DL has to follow. So DL can pull capacity out of their network with little lead in time and bank the savings, whereas UA because of union contracts wouldn't see any savings at all. Why AA which has a high number of union employees hasn't announced any major changes domestically I don't know but don't assume that just because AA and DL are silent for the moment that UA is the airline that is in the most trouble or that UA is now shrinking. I think a lot of people in the US (myself included are/were in denial) about the spread of this virus simply because the US was not testing people. Here in Chicago over the past 3 days since the US has started testing more people Chicago has gone from 4 cases to 11 cases of confirmed coronavirus and the state of Illinois over that same time period has gone from 4 cases to 19 confirmed cases and that is just over the past 3 days. Imagine how much higher that number will go as more people are tested and then imagine the impact those higher number will have on domestic air travel.


I think UA has done a lot of right moves here. I'm extremely impressed by Kirby's leadership. I'm sure he would not be interested, but having a guy like that in charge of JetBlue would be great. Anyhow, my view is that AA simply has no clue what they are doing here and are just waiting for gov't bailout in the likely event they run out of cash. America right now is already at around 1000 cases and that's with a lot of people not being able to get tested. The actual number will undoubtedly be much higher once all the testing kits are ready. I would not be surprised if more firms just tell their employees to work from home for a couple of weeks.

And a lot of the corporate travel spending cuts are also cost cutting they are making (using this as an excuse) to reduce spending in the likelihood that economy is going bad.

At times like this, UA's actions will be very prudent. Keep in mind, I do believe that UA is hurting from this more than AA due to the fact that UA's strength Asia and continental Europe are the most effected spots. That's also why strong leadership is needed at this time. And I think UA employees have a lot to thank for with Kirby in charge.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:20 am

tphuang wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
FSDan wrote:

Dang. This sucks!


And somehow UAL stock is up 10-12%

This is where I shrug my shoulders and realize I will never understand the stock market, but god bless those that do.

Kirby is getting ahead of curve and making the changes needed to ensure united airlines have plenty of cash through the worst case scenario.

That kind of stuff encourages investors.


One quick correction to intotheairs notes:

UA is not planning on taking delivery of any aircraft that is not financed....ie they are not paying for it with cash. They also elected to not purchase a few aircraft off of lease rather they signed short term leases which is part of their plan to reduce Capex.

They also lined up $2 billion in financing and still have their undrawn revolver loan for another $2 billion if they need it. That gives them $8 billion in liquidity as of today. UA also announced they have roughly $20 billion in unencumbered assets they could use for additional liquidity if they need it.

Net net UA is fairly well positioned to come through this.

The numbers UA put out regarding revenue are really bad but keep in mind they are UAs doomsday scenario numbers and they do expect reality to be better than projected.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:29 am

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 3:23 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:

772:
N77019 exited AMA 2725/10Mar in EvoBlu livery


Shouldn’t this be N79011? N77019 is in HKG, for Polaris.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 5:02 pm

United1 wrote:
tphuang wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:

And somehow UAL stock is up 10-12%

This is where I shrug my shoulders and realize I will never understand the stock market, but god bless those that do.

Kirby is getting ahead of curve and making the changes needed to ensure united airlines have plenty of cash through the worst case scenario.

That kind of stuff encourages investors.


One quick correction to intotheairs notes:

UA is not planning on taking delivery of any aircraft that is not financed....ie they are not paying for it with cash. They also elected to not purchase a few aircraft off of lease rather they signed short term leases which is part of their plan to reduce Capex.

They also lined up $2 billion in financing and still have their undrawn revolver loan for another $2 billion if they need it. That gives them $8 billion in liquidity as of today. UA also announced they have roughly $20 billion in unencumbered assets they could use for additional liquidity if they need it.

Net net UA is fairly well positioned to come through this.

The numbers UA put out regarding revenue are really bad but keep in mind they are UAs doomsday scenario numbers and they do expect reality to be better than projected.


Such an interesting and insightful read United1 - thank you!
Perhaps the reason UAL stock has risen is because institutional investors know a lot of this and are placing bets on United? Even I was considering buying UAL stock now because I know when the time comes, United will bounce back.

I read what United is doing on United/HUB, it's very reassuring! The rigorous cleaning of aircraft and more. Tomorrow I'm on a UA flight to LA on a 787-10, and in a Polaris seat. (I do have disinfectant wipes with me) and I will feel safer in that seat. Frankly, I am FAR more concerned over my Uber car from LAX than my flight!

Yesterday I was in 4 Ubers, how many people were in there before me?

Leadership indeed counts. But United’s culture as a company was already in a great place before. The enormous investments in hard products and Lounges, etc are not going anywhere and will be there ready to go when this nightmare is over.

Bravo to the frontline people at United and ALL airlines and hospitality related companies. ALL of my clients have closed their offices, people working from home: ALL TRAVEL IS BANNED! But not only that! My clients are even forbidden to meet with people who have flown in for meetings. So even if I was to fly to Geneva to meet my client in a cafe (NOT ALLOWED! Not for business reasons anyway)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:08 pm

tphuang wrote:
At times like this, UA's actions will be very prudent. Keep in mind, I do believe that UA is hurting from this more than AA due to the fact that UA's strength Asia and continental Europe are the most effected spots. That's also why strong leadership is needed at this time. And I think UA employees have a lot to thank for with Kirby in charge.


I've been with UA since 1996 and I have to admit yesterday I was very impressed with Kirby. He was prepared to answer Wall Streets questions and he also came prepared to answer the economical questions asked at yesterday's town hall.

Having worked for UA through the bankruptcy years, SARS, and the 2008-2009 recession I've become accustom to UA executives being unprepared for events like this. As a result they can't answer any of Wall Streets questions and they basically avoid explaining anything to employees resulting in UA getting caught in a downward spiral and we are always the last to recover.

Listening to what Kirby stated yesterday although UA could have never predicted this event it is nice to know UA is prepared, and we have a great financial team in place here. Also he made it clear UA isn't just standing by we are actively taking steps within the financial side of the business making sure UA remains on sound financial footing through this crisis.

As an employee it is kind of surreal seeing this because we are not use to having this type of leadership here at UA. Even when I talk to employees who have 30, 40, even 50 years they all seem hopeful that history will not repeat itself here at UA because we finally have a leadership team that first and foremost cares about United Airlines and secondly they seem to know what they are doing.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:08 pm

This is Kirby's time to shine and it looks like Oscar is letting him take the reins, while supporting him. Kirby is an operations guy and this is what he does best and it's showing. It will be sad to see Oscar go, but Scott seems to already be making a good impression to employees and investors.

UA looks to be the most open and vocal about what it is doing and I think them being honest about how bad this might get is comforting to employees and shareholders.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:10 pm

The job isn't too big for Kirby. People can justifiably criticize his propensity to cut perks and benefits, but his airline management acumen is as good as anyone in the business. Quite a far cry from some of United's management teams over the past few...decades.
 
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Re: United to fly the 737-10 with a premium Configuration

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:26 pm

Okcflyer wrote:
VC10er wrote:
ILikeTrains wrote:

Neither DL or AA have a HD WB. The highest seat count plane for AA is their 77W which seats 304, and Delta has the A359 at 306 seats.


I could probably guess why United felt the need for a sizable fleet of LARGE high density aircraft, and AA and DL did not. But, I would be guessing! And it’s not as if United needed 4 or 6 of them, I believe it’s “19” of them?
And while the “First Class” lie flat is a quite old version of lie flats, no storage and tight, depending on the trip length...it’s FAR better than an upright chair. (Oddly, in bed mode I find them to be quite comfortable) and I’m happy to get one after a long hard day, even if it’s only ORD to EWR.

So, does anyone know how the idea for them came to be? Was it born out of necessity or them being odd ducks vs other 772’s?

Why wouldn’t AA or DL want something similar between hubs? Is it that their route systems don’t need them? Or, they didn’t have the capacity in their fleets?


Short, bullet-version:

-UA is the only USA carrier with 772 models (not ER’s), the earliest range-limited models.
-UA since the very beginning, UA has ran these in HD/Hawaii configs from west coast, which is an area they’re strong, especially SFO.
-UA was in the worst-position mainline fleet wise several years ago. Converting internationally configured birds from short haul East-Coast to West Europe routes to the current HD format was the quickest way to boost the domestic mainline fleet. New aircraft deliveries would take years to build.

If working from a clean sheet of paper, It’s not a winning strategy and it won’t last forever.

In UA’s case, the only other reasonable option for these would be scrapping. Going the HD route provides better outcomes than the alternative. And so here we are.

Reality is, two 739’s burn almost the same amount of fuel as a single 772. The 772 carries almost the same number of pax. (28 lay flat vs 40 domestic first being the biggest difference.

For yield and flexibility, the 2 739’s is a far better solution.

Widebodies are heavy. Heavier per pax than NB’s. They’re generally less rugged for heavy cycle counts (domestic use) and all in maintenance costs are more than what 2 NB run. (My opinion, I don’t have figures to back this statement)

So the advantage of the HD format is with slot limitations, cargo if valuable, and the fact the 777HD’s can stretch to 8-9 hours range vs 6 of current NB’s.

Reality is, if this downturn is prolonged, this fleet will shrink hella fast. It’s more less optimistic utilization of existing assets when the domestic NB fleet is already too small driving the need.

With the 4 ER’s being added, there will help on Hawaii flying from East Coast where currently utilization of international config is suboptimal.


Slight correction: The 'A' market 777s were NOT used for HI routes from the beginning. They launched on June 7, 1995 from LHR. They were flying between IAD/ORD/MIA and Europe/South America on mostly 8-9 hour missions. Before UA had HD777s, they had HD767s in Hawaii. How do I know? I was there for all of it, including the LHR launch.
 
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Re: United to fly the 737-10 with a premium Configuration

Wed Mar 11, 2020 11:59 pm

hereandthere41 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
VC10er wrote:

I could probably guess why United felt the need for a sizable fleet of LARGE high density aircraft, and AA and DL did not. But, I would be guessing! And it’s not as if United needed 4 or 6 of them, I believe it’s “19” of them?
And while the “First Class” lie flat is a quite old version of lie flats, no storage and tight, depending on the trip length...it’s FAR better than an upright chair. (Oddly, in bed mode I find them to be quite comfortable) and I’m happy to get one after a long hard day, even if it’s only ORD to EWR.

So, does anyone know how the idea for them came to be? Was it born out of necessity or them being odd ducks vs other 772’s?

Why wouldn’t AA or DL want something similar between hubs? Is it that their route systems don’t need them? Or, they didn’t have the capacity in their fleets?


Short, bullet-version:

-UA is the only USA carrier with 772 models (not ER’s), the earliest range-limited models.
-UA since the very beginning, UA has ran these in HD/Hawaii configs from west coast, which is an area they’re strong, especially SFO.
-UA was in the worst-position mainline fleet wise several years ago. Converting internationally configured birds from short haul East-Coast to West Europe routes to the current HD format was the quickest way to boost the domestic mainline fleet. New aircraft deliveries would take years to build.

If working from a clean sheet of paper, It’s not a winning strategy and it won’t last forever.

In UA’s case, the only other reasonable option for these would be scrapping. Going the HD route provides better outcomes than the alternative. And so here we are.

Reality is, two 739’s burn almost the same amount of fuel as a single 772. The 772 carries almost the same number of pax. (28 lay flat vs 40 domestic first being the biggest difference.

For yield and flexibility, the 2 739’s is a far better solution.

Widebodies are heavy. Heavier per pax than NB’s. They’re generally less rugged for heavy cycle counts (domestic use) and all in maintenance costs are more than what 2 NB run. (My opinion, I don’t have figures to back this statement)

So the advantage of the HD format is with slot limitations, cargo if valuable, and the fact the 777HD’s can stretch to 8-9 hours range vs 6 of current NB’s.

Reality is, if this downturn is prolonged, this fleet will shrink hella fast. It’s more less optimistic utilization of existing assets when the domestic NB fleet is already too small driving the need.

With the 4 ER’s being added, there will help on Hawaii flying from East Coast where currently utilization of international config is suboptimal.


Slight correction: The 'A' market 777s were NOT used for HI routes from the beginning. They launched on June 7, 1995 from LHR. They were flying between IAD/ORD/MIA and Europe/South America on mostly 8-9 hour missions. Before UA had HD777s, they had HD767s in Hawaii. How do I know? I was there for all of it, including the LHR launch.


6 'A'-market 772s were delivered in 2000 and have always been in a domestic configuration. These, and the high-density 763ERs (the infamous "Ghetto Birds") substantially replaced the DC-10s and domestic 747-100s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:05 am

President just announced no flight from Europe for 30 days, England excepted.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:18 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
President just announced no flight from Europe for 30 days, England excepted.

President, as in Kirby? Is this announced somewhere? I can't find it on United's website.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:19 am

cosyr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
President just announced no flight from Europe for 30 days, England excepted.

President, as in Kirby? Is this announced somewhere? I can't find it on United's website.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:26 am

What the heel do the airlines do now. Unprecedented. Where do you park them? Best of luck for all UA employees
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:24 am

Would think LHR service could be busy. Maybe UA will move larger aircraft to LHR.
Question on LHR traffic that originated in Europe, is that banned or subject to quarantine?

Parking aircraft options.
Leave some in Europe.
EWR could close gates 112 around to 126 and use gates and ramp for storage. Ballpark. Can pack them in if placed forward and backwards.
IAD looks like a large hardstand south of gates. Maybe part of the southern portion of the south satellite concourse could be closed and aircraft parked on gates and behind aircraft. Would require aircraft to enter leave active gates from only one side.
CLE. surround the closed commuter terminal.
IAH. Close gates C30-C37 and park on gates and ramp.
LAX, lots of concrete there.
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Re: United to fly the 737-10 with a premium Configuration

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:44 am

hereandthere41 wrote:
Okcflyer wrote:
VC10er wrote:

I could probably guess why United felt the need for a sizable fleet of LARGE high density aircraft, and AA and DL did not. But, I would be guessing! And it’s not as if United needed 4 or 6 of them, I believe it’s “19” of them?
And while the “First Class” lie flat is a quite old version of lie flats, no storage and tight, depending on the trip length...it’s FAR better than an upright chair. (Oddly, in bed mode I find them to be quite comfortable) and I’m happy to get one after a long hard day, even if it’s only ORD to EWR.

So, does anyone know how the idea for them came to be? Was it born out of necessity or them being odd ducks vs other 772’s?

Why wouldn’t AA or DL want something similar between hubs? Is it that their route systems don’t need them? Or, they didn’t have the capacity in their fleets?


Short, bullet-version:

-UA is the only USA carrier with 772 models (not ER’s), the earliest range-limited models.
-UA since the very beginning, UA has ran these in HD/Hawaii configs from west coast, which is an area they’re strong, especially SFO.
-UA was in the worst-position mainline fleet wise several years ago. Converting internationally configured birds from short haul East-Coast to West Europe routes to the current HD format was the quickest way to boost the domestic mainline fleet. New aircraft deliveries would take years to build.

If working from a clean sheet of paper, It’s not a winning strategy and it won’t last forever.

In UA’s case, the only other reasonable option for these would be scrapping. Going the HD route provides better outcomes than the alternative. And so here we are.

Reality is, two 739’s burn almost the same amount of fuel as a single 772. The 772 carries almost the same number of pax. (28 lay flat vs 40 domestic first being the biggest difference.

For yield and flexibility, the 2 739’s is a far better solution.

Widebodies are heavy. Heavier per pax than NB’s. They’re generally less rugged for heavy cycle counts (domestic use) and all in maintenance costs are more than what 2 NB run. (My opinion, I don’t have figures to back this statement)

So the advantage of the HD format is with slot limitations, cargo if valuable, and the fact the 777HD’s can stretch to 8-9 hours range vs 6 of current NB’s.

Reality is, if this downturn is prolonged, this fleet will shrink hella fast. It’s more less optimistic utilization of existing assets when the domestic NB fleet is already too small driving the need.

With the 4 ER’s being added, there will help on Hawaii flying from East Coast where currently utilization of international config is suboptimal.


Slight correction: The 'A' market 777s were NOT used for HI routes from the beginning. They launched on June 7, 1995 from LHR. They were flying between IAD/ORD/MIA and Europe/South America on mostly 8-9 hour missions. Before UA had HD777s, they had HD767s in Hawaii. How do I know? I was there for all of it, including the LHR launch.


Weird, I thought the original requirements were Chicago-Europe, Chicago-Hawaii and Denver-Hawaii.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:00 am

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Would think LHR service could be busy. Maybe UA will move larger aircraft to LHR.
Question on LHR traffic that originated in Europe, is that banned or subject to quarantine?

Parking aircraft options.
Leave some in Europe.
EWR could close gates 112 around to 126 and use gates and ramp for storage. Ballpark. Can pack them in if placed forward and backwards.
IAD looks like a large hardstand south of gates. Maybe part of the southern portion of the south satellite concourse could be closed and aircraft parked on gates and behind aircraft. Would require aircraft to enter leave active gates from only one side.
CLE. surround the closed commuter terminal.
IAH. Close gates C30-C37 and park on gates and ramp.
LAX, lots of concrete there.
VCV, GYR.


I would hope that parking fees are being waived or reduced for UA and others going through this awful year. Could the Feds help?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:37 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Would think LHR service could be busy. Maybe UA will move larger aircraft to LHR.
Question on LHR traffic that originated in Europe, is that banned or subject to quarantine?

Parking aircraft options.
Leave some in Europe.
EWR could close gates 112 around to 126 and use gates and ramp for storage. Ballpark. Can pack them in if placed forward and backwards.
IAD looks like a large hardstand south of gates. Maybe part of the southern portion of the south satellite concourse could be closed and aircraft parked on gates and behind aircraft. Would require aircraft to enter leave active gates from only one side.
CLE. surround the closed commuter terminal.
IAH. Close gates C30-C37 and park on gates and ramp.
LAX, lots of concrete there.
VCV, GYR.


UA isn't going to close gates to park airplanes, nor will any be left overseas. There are plenty of remote positions around the system to park airplanes on a short-term basis, and if longer (months) storage is necessary, they'll go to the desert.

Parking fees are so, so low on UA's list of priorities.

As far as traffic originating in EU and transiting LHR, attempting to fly to the US, it depends on the citizenship of the traveler. If a US national/permanent resident, they will be allowed entry, but could perhaps be subject to self-quarantine or similar if coming from a "hot zone". Health screenings might be imposed. Non-US nationals traveling from the EU within the last 14 days will (ideally for the airline) be denied boarding, or, at worst, denied entry to the US and returned to the country of origin at the airline's expense plus penalty.

1989worstyear wrote:
I would hope that parking fees are being waived or reduced for UA and others going through this awful year. Could the Feds help?


2020 has become an awful year... but not the worst!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:27 am

UAX Update:

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N153GJ entered AMA for EvoBlu livery
N521GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, at STL
N378CA has been reregistered as N524GJ, exited MLB, at STL awaiting service entry
N653CA (2003 build) entered MLB for interior mod, new tail number not yet assigned
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:50 am

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To clarify about UA not taking any deliveries, it is only for aircraft they are unable to obtain financing for, which they said they aircraft financing is still doing really well...they just obtained financing for a 787 last week.
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I’m wondering how many aircraft in the delivery schedule have been financed?
N2352U, the last 77W, has been sitting at PAE, RfD for awhile now. N29978, a 789, is almost ready at CHS. Both I presume have the $ sorted and will deliver. However, N13013, 78J, is almost ready to roll off the FAL and N24979 is just starting FA plus the eight 789s to follow are not yet
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 10:57 am

I'm starting to think Kirby's conservative scenario now need to be looked at as baseline scenario for flight demand.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 1:04 pm

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N890UA entered LCQ 2733/11Mar, expect 12F mod

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N78005 entered AMA 2764/10Mar for EvoBlu livery

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N2136U sked to enter HKG maint 2701/13Mar
N2737U sked to exit HKG maint 2688/13Mar
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:22 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
I’m wondering how many aircraft in the delivery schedule have been financed?
N2352U, the last 77W, has been sitting at PAE, RfD for awhile now. N29978, a 789, is almost ready at CHS. Both I presume have the $ sorted and will deliver. However, N13013, 78J, is almost ready to roll off the FAL and N24979 is just starting FA plus the eight 789s to follow are not yet


Kirby covered this in the town hall (I'm not sure if you have access to see it) but during the town hall even with Kirbys doomsday scenario which now may become reality he did state UA is still taking delivery of all remaining widebodies, for some the check has already been written, others the financing has been secured and was secured long before COVID-19.

Again most most expect the fallout from COVID-19 to last around 12-18 months, Kirby stated if we were looking a long term fallout (3-5 years) then UA would enact another plan (good to know they already have another plan) but by all accounts most people expect the economy and the industry to recover from this within 12-18 months.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 2:47 pm

As with everything the president says, there's a large gulf between what he said and what's actually being implemented.

From DHS.gov:
Today President Donald J. Trump signed a Presidential Proclamation, which suspends the entry of most foreign nationals who have been in certain European countries at any point during the 14 days prior to their scheduled arrival to the United States. These countries, known as the Schengen Area, include: Austria, Belgium, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Malta, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland. This does not apply to legal permanent residents, (generally) immediate family members of U.S. citizens, and other individuals who are identified in the proclamation.

So U.S. citizens, legal permanent residents, and their families can still move freely between the Schengen countries and the U.S. And Foreign nationals can still leave the United States. I imagine non-Schengen foreign nationals can probably transit Schengen countries if they transit without entering the country.

But this is still a huge shift in the market.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 3:05 pm

jayunited wrote:
LGeneReese wrote:
I’m wondering how many aircraft in the delivery schedule have been financed?
N2352U, the last 77W, has been sitting at PAE, RfD for awhile now. N29978, a 789, is almost ready at CHS. Both I presume have the $ sorted and will deliver. However, N13013, 78J, is almost ready to roll off the FAL and N24979 is just starting FA plus the eight 789s to follow are not yet


Kirby covered this in the town hall (I'm not sure if you have access to see it) but during the town hall even with Kirbys doomsday scenario which now may become reality he did state UA is still taking delivery of all remaining widebodies, for some the check has already been written, others the financing has been secured and was secured long before COVID-19.

Again most most expect the fallout from COVID-19 to last around 12-18 months, Kirby stated if we were looking a long term fallout (3-5 years) then UA would enact another plan (good to know they already have another plan) but by all accounts most people expect the economy and the industry to recover from this within 12-18 months.

I’ve seen the extremely short snippet on Flying Together.... if there’s a full length vid I don’t know if I have access to it. My question was based on replies #978 and 996 above which suggested UA putting some new deliveries on hold for awhile... Thank You for the clarification on the matter. :bigthumbsup:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:27 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
I’ve seen the extremely short snippet on Flying Together.... if there’s a full length vid I don’t know if I have access to it. My question was based on replies #978 and 996 above which suggested UA putting some new deliveries on hold for awhile... Thank You for the clarification on the matter. :bigthumbsup:


Yes people are starting to put some false information out there or making their own assumptions based on what they are seeing. This is just another reason why the town hall meeting was so important. I know UA did webcast the entire town hall but for those who could not see it live either in person or online I wish they would put the town hall in its entirety on Flying Together for those employees who did not have a chance to see it live. Kirby cover so much and he really laid out the facts and didn't sugar coat anything including his so called doomsday scenario where he looking at a short term 70% reduction in demand. Judging from the unprecedented move Trump just announced Kirby's numbers of 70% reduction may come true. He even noted other he has been meeting with other airlines, major hotel chains, and other travel industry related CEO's since COVID-19 became major news and just 3 weeks ago there were some who thought Kirby was crazy, they didn't believe it would get this bad here in the U.S.. (Again I didn't think it would get this bad here in the U.S.. Thank god I'm not the CEO of UA we would be in trouble). Kirby isn't looking so crazy this morning.

Like I said in a earlier post it is really surreal to see UA leadership prepared and have plans already in place to respond to this drop in demand.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 4:40 pm

The full town hall is now up on flyingtogether.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:19 pm

Just got a notification that there’s a United 757 headed to Tupelo tomorrow. They’ve only received the Legacy United birds that are in the C28Y144 config. Anyone know the tail?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:28 pm

ryanflyer wrote:
Just got a notification that there’s a United 757 headed to Tupelo tomorrow. They’ve only received the Legacy United birds that are in the C28Y144 config. Anyone know the tail?


N546UA is the tail number that I see in TUP

The remaining tails are all showing in service, those tail numbers are N598UA, N587UA, N588UA, N589UA, N590UA, 595UA, N596UA, and N597UA.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:39 pm

Hello,

I am arriving in Zurich from Muscat, Oman on March 14th. Planned to leave for U.S. on March 15th on United Airlines. I am a U.S. citizen. Is United going to cancel all flights to Zurich after 13th to U.S. I can't find info on their website after announcement. I read U.S. citizens can still travel back to U.S., but I am wondering if airlines will still fly from Continental Europe. Should I try to book a one way from Zurich to London and then get a ticket out of London or fly to Canada out of Zurich.

Thanks for the help or advice!! I have tried calling UA and no one will answer after hours and messaged on Facebook with no response. Just looking for advice if I should wait until the 15th in Zurich or get myself a one way ticket to LHR.

It is my first time on site so I apologize if this is in the wrong place.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:41 pm

ryanflyer wrote:
Just got a notification that there’s a United 757 headed to Tupelo tomorrow. They’ve only received the Legacy United birds that are in the C28Y144 config. Anyone know the tail?


UA2711 EWR-TUP is showing as N510UA on FR24. Just shy of its 30th birthday.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:48 pm

N546UA sent to TUP in Jan.
Your missing N502UA, N510UA, N512UA and N568UA.
752:
N510UA sked TUP 2711/13Mar, expect scrap.

Of the PW752s most have ViaSat KA WiFi, but not including N510UA/N512UA/N595UA, which have gogo and maybe are the next to exit.
N568UA has been in MIA since 2/10 - expecting ViaSat WiFi.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 8:50 pm

mmahpeel wrote:
The full town hall is now up on flyingtogether.

Unfortunately it doesn’t work on iPad....
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 9:48 pm

From what I have been told, the Company is planning on performing deferred maintenance on aircrafts during this reduction in flying.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Mar 12, 2020 11:38 pm

UNDTanner wrote:
Hello,

I am arriving in Zurich from Muscat, Oman on March 14th. Planned to leave for U.S. on March 15th on United Airlines. I am a U.S. citizen. Is United going to cancel all flights to Zurich after 13th to U.S. I can't find info on their website after announcement. I read U.S. citizens can still travel back to U.S., but I am wondering if airlines will still fly from Continental Europe. Should I try to book a one way from Zurich to London and then get a ticket out of London or fly to Canada out of Zurich.

Thanks for the help or advice!! I have tried calling UA and no one will answer after hours and messaged on Facebook with no response. Just looking for advice if I should wait until the 15th in Zurich or get myself a one way ticket to LHR.

It is my first time on site so I apologize if this is in the wrong place.


If United cancel your flight from ZRH it is on them to reaccommodate you, be that on LX metal, LX to LHR and then UA from there, or whatever. I personally wouldn't be considering alternatives until your flight is definitely cancelled.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:53 am

Pulling this from UAs website:

We will continue to fly our regular schedule from Europe to the U.S. through March 20. After that, we expect to fly daily to Zurich, Brussels, Paris, Amsterdam, Manchester and Edinburgh, maintain multiple flights to Frankfurt and Munich, and operate 18 daily flights to and from London, three to Dublin and four flights a week to Lisbon, all while continuing to monitor demand. Schedule changes will take place this Saturday, March 14. At that time, customers will be able to check the status of flights beyond March 20 on united.com or the mobile app.

Looks like UA will continue to operate a portion of its network to Europe past March 20th. I'm sure this is mostly to allow US citizens to return home initialy but also looks like UA is still seeing some level of demand.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 8:03 am

jayunited wrote:
tphuang wrote:
At times like this, UA's actions will be very prudent. Keep in mind, I do believe that UA is hurting from this more than AA due to the fact that UA's strength Asia and continental Europe are the most effected spots. That's also why strong leadership is needed at this time. And I think UA employees have a lot to thank for with Kirby in charge.


I've been with UA since 1996 and I have to admit yesterday I was very impressed with Kirby. He was prepared to answer Wall Streets questions and he also came prepared to answer the economical questions asked at yesterday's town hall.

Having worked for UA through the bankruptcy years, SARS, and the 2008-2009 recession I've become accustom to UA executives being unprepared for events like this. As a result they can't answer any of Wall Streets questions and they basically avoid explaining anything to employees resulting in UA getting caught in a downward spiral and we are always the last to recover.

Listening to what Kirby stated yesterday although UA could have never predicted this event it is nice to know UA is prepared, and we have a great financial team in place here. Also he made it clear UA isn't just standing by we are actively taking steps within the financial side of the business making sure UA remains on sound financial footing through this crisis.

As an employee it is kind of surreal seeing this because we are not use to having this type of leadership here at UA. Even when I talk to employees who have 30, 40, even 50 years they all seem hopeful that history will not repeat itself here at UA because we finally have a leadership team that first and foremost cares about United Airlines and secondly they seem to know what they are doing.


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:03 pm

752:
N505UA was noticed to Ferry VCV-TUP 11/15/19 for scrap

763:
N644UA sked to exit MCO maint 2735/13Mar

772:
N783UA showing XMN 2700/15Mar for Polaris/PP, currently no return flight from XMN, but N77012 might be ready

789:
N27957 entered VCV 2738/12Mar for EvoBlu livery
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 13, 2020 2:23 pm

319:
N872UA - China Southern delivery has occurred. Registered with the FAA on 11-Mar. Delivery flights appropriately looked very different for this aircraft. China Southern flew it from CAN to XMN in two flights back on 9-Mar where UA took delivery in order to keep personnel safe. I don't believe that we will see any United flight number flights occur until the aircraft is ready to ferry to the US.
N875UA - Scheduled to ferry VCV to DEN as 2736 on 13-Mar. First revenue flight does not appear to be scheduled yet

772:
N77012 - Scheduled exit on 15-Mar/2698 HKG to GUM with Polaris and PP
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772:
N774UA exited HKG maint 2690/14Mar

77W:
N2243U entered HKG maint 2689/14Mar
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 3:29 pm

Here are some additional international schedule reductions UA has announced.

No flights to Italy through April 30th
Starting March 14 in response to Presidents travel ban, DEN-FRA, IAH-FRA, IAH-AMS, IAH-MUC all suspended. Neither DEN or IAH are CDC approved screening airports.
Starting March 20[/b] UA will only serve these European airports [b]on a reduced schedule they are ZRH, BRU, CDG, AMS, MAN, EDI, FRA, MUC DUB and LIS.
UA will continue (for the time being) to fly our full schedule to LHR

Any European destination UA serves not mentioned above will see its service suspended in compliance with the presidents EU ban, some stations may see the suspension extended beyond the 30 days depending on demand.

Starting March 16 through April 30th[/b] IAH-EZE suspended

[b]Starting April 1st though April 30th
IAD-TLV suspended, SFO-TLV 3x weekly, EWR-TLV UA84/85 3x weekly, UA90/91 remains daily, IAD-GRU suspended.

Also starting next week there will be huge reductions in frequency to to countries and regions including Mexico, many Central America locations, the Dominican Republic and the start of EWR-POS will be delayed until May at the earliest.

Additional domestic reductions on top of what has already been announce will be coming they are working though out the weekend to finalize the domestic schedule. That list once finalized will for sure be to long to post here but I am expecting somewhere around a 40%-50% temporary reduction in domestic capacity.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 7:31 pm

How will IAH-LHR-IAH operate if IAH is not a designated port of entry?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 8:22 pm

777-500er wrote:
How will IAH-LHR-IAH operate if IAH is not a designated port of entry?


Up until a few hours ago the UK was not on the travel ban list which is why LHR flights still operated even today. However starting Monday the UK will be on the list which means IAH-LHR-IAH flights will be suspended.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:42 pm

jayunited wrote:
777-500er wrote:
How will IAH-LHR-IAH operate if IAH is not a designated port of entry?


Up until a few hours ago the UK was not on the travel ban list which is why LHR flights still operated even today. However starting Monday the UK will be on the list which means IAH-LHR-IAH flights will be suspended.


Why IAH isn’t an approved port of entry is beyond me. It’s a top 10 international gateway.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 15, 2020 2:01 am

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N612QX entered JAX for maintenance prior to CR5 mod
N521GJ entered revenue service with GoJet (mod complete)
N520GJ exited AMA in EvoBlu livery, at STL awaiting service entry

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