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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:42 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Anyone shocked by the njumber of the flights currently in the air by operator? 3/26/20 at 2131 EDT
UA roughly 1/6th of WN and a 13rd of both AA and DL. It could be UA's aircraft are at hub airports?,

307 SWA Southwest "Southwest" (Dallas, TX)
169 DAL Delta "Delta"
161 AAL American Airlines "American"
131 SKW SkyWest "SkyWest" (St. George, UT)
126 CSN China Southern Airlines "China Southern" (China)
107 ASA Alaska Airlines "Alaska"
89 CCA Air China "Air China" (China)
79 CES China Eastern "China Eastern" (China)
70 JAL Japan Airlines "Japanair" (Japan)
67 NKS Spirit "Spirit Wings" (Miramar, FL)
61 JBU JetBlue "JetBlue"
56 UAL United "United"


United had fewer daily flights than AA/DL/WN to begin with, and more international. UA also was very aggressive in cutting its March schedule. Not terribly surprising.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 2:00 am

codc10 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Anyone shocked by the njumber of the flights currently in the air by operator? 3/26/20 at 2131 EDT
UA roughly 1/6th of WN and a 13rd of both AA and DL. It could be UA's aircraft are at hub airports?,

307 SWA Southwest "Southwest" (Dallas, TX)
169 DAL Delta "Delta"
161 AAL American Airlines "American"
131 SKW SkyWest "SkyWest" (St. George, UT)
126 CSN China Southern Airlines "China Southern" (China)
107 ASA Alaska Airlines "Alaska"
89 CCA Air China "Air China" (China)
79 CES China Eastern "China Eastern" (China)
70 JAL Japan Airlines "Japanair" (Japan)
67 NKS Spirit "Spirit Wings" (Miramar, FL)
61 JBU JetBlue "JetBlue"
56 UAL United "United"


United had fewer daily flights than AA/DL/WN to begin with, and more international. UA also was very aggressive in cutting its March schedule. Not terribly surprising.


Sad but not surprising with everything that is going on.

ORD-SFO tomorrow normally would have 10 daily flights. Eight of them are canceled and the two remaining flights are barely a third full.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 7:43 am

UAX Update:

The following aircraft are in temporary storage related to the Covid-19 situation in the designated locations:

E175:
DEN: 117
BNA: 135, 141
ORD: 148
MKE: 153
CLT: 203
OKC: 302, 343
IAH: 304, 305, 315, 342, 347, 349, 350, 352, 354, 357, 358, 359, 360
CMH: 721, 723, 749
IND: 722, 723, 749
SDF: 724
PIT: 729, 744, 748
MCI: 751

E70:
SDF: 632, 644
MCI: 636
CMH: 637, 638, 639, 649, 653, 859
PIT: 648, 650, 856, 863
IND: 652, 654, 861

CR7:
IAD: 501, 507
OKC: 502
DEN: 787, 795, 797
SLC: 788
COS: 789

CR5:
ORD: 501
STL: 504, 508, 519, 536, 542

E45:
TYS: 535, 569, 570, 905, 978
CLE: 537, 548, 903, 910 911, 913, 980, 991
IAH: 546, 551, 555, 557, 558, 574, 575, 900, 901, 909
EWR: 915, 916
STL: 832, 835, 836, 842, 847

E45X:
TYS: 101, 112, 131, 138, 108, 110, 164, 180, 189, 196
STL: 106, 142
CLE: 117, 137, 145, 105
SDF: 125
ALB: 139, 147, 152, 157, 173, 174, 193, 194, 197, 204
EWR: 195
IAH: 103, 135, 158, 159, 170, 185, 188

CR2:
DAY: 405, 414, 454
CAE: 419, 424, 438, 471
MCO: 421, 432
MKE: 426, 440, 455, 463, 973
ATW: 449, 465
IAD: 469
TUS: 652, 877, 903EV, 952, 980, 983, 986
FAT: 932EV
OKC: 932SW
COS: 937EV
SLC: 961
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 1:28 pm

Polaris 763 N673UA looks like it will depart HKG 30 Mar.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 9:58 pm

jetblastdubai wrote:
CALTECH wrote:

There is no demand for MORE aircraft. Many will get parked, maybe for good.


I understand that but since UA already bought these 73Gs, wouldn't it be better to utilize them instead of the larger narrowbodies in the fleet? If they're going to park A/C anyway, it might as well be A/C that they'd have a harder time filling as well having slightly higher operating costs.


There was talk of using bigger jets to grab cargo business.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Mar 27, 2020 10:29 pm

CALTECH wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:
CALTECH wrote:

There is no demand for MORE aircraft. Many will get parked, maybe for good.


I understand that but since UA already bought these 73Gs, wouldn't it be better to utilize them instead of the larger narrowbodies in the fleet? If they're going to park A/C anyway, it might as well be A/C that they'd have a harder time filling as well having slightly higher operating costs.


There was talk of using bigger jets to grab cargo business.


It is no longer talk for the next few weeks UA will be operating up to 40 cargo flights per week. Most cargo flight are being operated on either 77Ws, 78Xs, and 789s, from time to time we are using 77Es, however UA will not be using any 767s for cargo flights.


Also just happened to check and today March 27, 2020 at 22:31 zulu time UA only has 75 flights in the air at different phases of their flight. It is hard to imagine that on a Friday evening generally one of the busiest travel days UA only has 75 mainline flights in the air.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:32 am

jayunited wrote:
CALTECH wrote:
jetblastdubai wrote:

I understand that but since UA already bought these 73Gs, wouldn't it be better to utilize them instead of the larger narrowbodies in the fleet? If they're going to park A/C anyway, it might as well be A/C that they'd have a harder time filling as well having slightly higher operating costs.


There was talk of using bigger jets to grab cargo business.


It is no longer talk for the next few weeks UA will be operating up to 40 cargo flights per week. Most cargo flight are being operated on either 77Ws, 78Xs, and 789s, from time to time we are using 77Es, however UA will not be using any 767s for cargo flights.


Also just happened to check and today March 27, 2020 at 22:31 zulu time UA only has 75 flights in the air at different phases of their flight. It is hard to imagine that on a Friday evening generally one of the busiest travel days UA only has 75 mainline flights in the air.

Is that including express too or just mainline?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:25 am

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...however UA will not be using any 767s for cargo flights.

Interesting. Everything must be in containers or on smaller pallets, no?

Doesn't the 767 have the largest cargo door in UA's passenger fleet?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:30 am

The 767 does not have a full width lower cargo floor. It cannot accommodate LD3s or full size cookie sheets side by side. It's not very efficient for freight only operations in a pax config (not talking about UPS or FedEx which have the main deck to use). One LD3 takes up 2 spots in a 767. Whereas in a 777 or 787 an LD3 takes up only 1 spot.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 4:15 am

319:
N837UA exited LCQ 2714/25Mar, direct to ROW, storage, can't see if 12F mod complete

752:
N14106 sked to exit MI771/29Mar with 16/160 config and upgrades

772:
N206UA exited FTW 2587/25Mar in EvoBlu, now in IAH
N785UA sked to exit XMN 2691/29Mar with Polaris/PP

77W:
N2639U exited XMN manit 2692/28Mar
N2748U sked to operate in/out of HKG 2774/26Mar, then 2773/28Mar, non-stop to/from LAX, possibly a freight charter, but has ferry numbers.

It's hard to keep up with parked aircraft at UA hubs that rotate in and out of service.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 12:57 pm

airplanedriver6 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
...however UA will not be using any 767s for cargo flights.

Interesting. Everything must be in containers or on smaller pallets, no?

Doesn't the 767 have the largest cargo door in UA's passenger fleet?



UA's 767's do have the largest forward cargo door in UA's fleet and the rear cargo door is the smallest in UA's fleet. Having said that a 763 can only accommodate 4 PMC's and a 764 can only take 5 PMC's. Compare that to a 77E it can accommodate 10 PMC's, 789 can hold 11 PMC's, a 78X can take 13 PMC's and a 77W can accommodate 14 PMC's.

Also do to floor weight limitation UA's 763s and a 764s can only accommodate one 10,000 pound PMC every other PMC must weigh substantially less and the PMC located behind the nose gear on a 763 and 764 can not weight more than 4,000 pounds give or take a few pounds. Compare that to the 77E, 789, 78X and 77W all of these frames in both the forward and aft cargo hold can accommodate numerous 10,000 pound PMC's and the pallet position right behind the nose gear the floor weight loading limit is in the 9,000 pound range.

Even if we get rid off all the pallets and load LD containers for lets say a USPS mail charter, 767s have something called lateral imbalance. The Post Office likes to use LD3s and with the lateral imbalance a 763 can only take 11 LD3 while the stretch 764 can only take 7 LD3s. The lateral imbalance is because the 767 does not have a full width floor so LD3s can not be paired, and since LD3s are not full with containers loading more than 11 or 7 or the varying fleet types results in to much weight on left side on the aircraft verses the right side of the aircraft.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Mar 28, 2020 3:52 pm

Jay, that makes perfect sense. The 767 floor issues and lack of taking normal pallets or LD3s width-wise is the problem. However, if using narrower LD2 containers (25% less space than an LD3), the 767 can pair those units for decent cubic footage, but isn't standard for many shippers.
For what it takes, here's the volume of total LD2 and LD3 spaces on below aircraft. Does not include bulk bins or floor weight issues:
763 30 LD2s 3,720 CF
788 28 LD3s 4,452 CF
764 38 LD2s 4,712 CF
772 32 LD3s 5,088 CF
789 36 LD3s 5,724 CF
78X 40 LD3s 5,360 CF
77W 44 LD3s 6,996 CF
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 5:03 pm

More stored aircraft.
All 764s appear are parked or stored. 9 in ROW.
Many 763s in IAH, plus 4 in ROW storage
10 772s in ROW storage
9 of 10 752PWs in ROW storage. N596UA been in SFO since 3/21
Parking locations: SFO, ORD, DEN, IAH, IAD, EWR, MCO, GUM, HNL, MSY, MIA, TPA, SAT, CLE, AUS, BOX, FLL, LAS, LGA, PDX
Storage/maint: ROW, GYR, INT, DLH, LCQ, ILN, HKG, XMN, VCV
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:21 pm

jayunited wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Jay, I've been looking at a combination or United.com and the UA app for the schedule, type flown and seat map before and after departure. Of course I can't see what's in the bins, but it looks like the flight schedule should be 3 or 4 a day evenly timed out and probably all wide bodies, assuming the bins are full with freight.
For example, last night EWR-LAX had a 752 and a 772A run 30 mins apart in the dinner hour with 13 & 26 seats taken. On the return UA ran 3 redeyes LAX-EWR 1 wide and 2 narrows with 50, 30 and 15 passengers.
Pretty close to the same on EWR-SFO-EWR, with 2 redeyes east and 2 light trips westbound at 6pm and 8pm.
I can't see why one narrowbody RT wasn't cxld in each market.


I get what you are saying canceling a narrowbody roundtrip and put those people on a widebody. United could do that but one thing we are hearing from flight attendants and customer service agents is social distance adherence guidelines on aircraft. While there are no official guidelines UA is saying if a customer request to be moved into a different seat the customer service agents comply. We do have gate agents asking if they have a narrowbody with only 25 people on board can they just move people themselves in SHARES into different seats to keep that social distance. So far UA's position has been for the agents to use their best judgement and if a customer asks to be place back into their original seat just move them back. We also a few days ago on UA2 SIN-SFO had a situation arise where there were only 28 seats booked in business class and over 120 people booked in coach. Originally there were no upgrades so SIN C.S. spaced out the passengers in business class and did the best they could to space customers out in coach. However that all changed once the flight opened to check-in at the airport 15 passengers wanted to either use their miles or pay cash for the upgrade into business class. The question was can we sell those seats? United position was do not give the seats away for free people know the risk if they want to pay to sit in close proximity to someone for 15 hours then sell the seat.

In conversations with my bosses yesterday they fully expect the industry to change as a result of COVID-19, just like the industry changed as a result of 9/11. Right now the government is saying social distance but are airline to enforce that policy, so far I'm being told we can't get an answer to that question from the FAA, DOT, or Trump Administration. My bosses are telling me that UA already has teams putting together scenarios that will cover any policy changes that come about as a result of COVID-19. From best case scenarios to worse case scenarios. Some experts on Trumps coronavirus task force are now saying COVID-19 might become a seasonal thing where we see cases drop but then rise again in November and December. United has teams looking at how this will impact the airline, will we need to remove rows of seats from aircraft? Will we need to block middle seats and only have passengers seated in window and aisle seats? Airlines know the cabin filtration system can remove COVID-19 from the air as the air is recycled. But how does an airline protect a passengers from the passenger seated next to them. For example a passenger seated in row 7A and 7C, that air hasn't had a chance to be recycled, how do protect passengers onboard? Will airlines be required to protect passengers onboard, will we in the very near future be required to take every passengers temperature before they board a flight? It was such an incredible conversation I had with with my boss yesterday just to get an insight into what UA is thinking the future of this industry will be and the changes COVID-19 will have going forward.

DL stated they will be a much smaller airline coming out of this I think a lot people took that to mean less flights, but what if in addition to less flights it also means less people on each airplane? UA like I said has teams of people (working remotely) working on this because we know (or at the very least we expect) there will be changes once the pandemic portion of this virus is over. COVID-19 is here and even with a vaccine my bosses are saying they are being told COVID-19 is probably here to stay even once a vaccine is widely available. So how do you protect customers and employees on an aircraft in the future?


If part of the solution to protect passengers is to remove seats or block seats on aircraft what impact will that have the ticket prices?


I was talking to a good friend of mine who is a nurse at a large University Research hospital this past Friday. She told me that so far, there has been no reports indicating that the approximately 8 COVID-19 strains of CoronaVirus have mutated thus far. After doing some independent research, it appears that COVID-19 is “mutating” so slowly that all 8 strains are still nearly identical.

If this remains the case, while seemingly unlikely, this could be a one-and-done event. As the infected population recovers, their bodies will produce antibodies to fight the strains of the virus they’ve come in contact with. Because the different strains are still so similar the antibodies may be effective against all known strains.

Moreover, it seems like if the virus strains don’t drastically mutate prior to a vaccine becoming available, the immunity provided by it may be lasting, unlike the influenza virus which mutates pretty rabidly.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 7:37 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Jay, that makes perfect sense. The 767 floor issues and lack of taking normal pallets or LD3s width-wise is the problem. However, if using narrower LD2 containers (25% less space than an LD3), the 767 can pair those units for decent cubic footage, but isn't standard for many shippers.
For what it takes, here's the volume of total LD2 and LD3 spaces on below aircraft. Does not include bulk bins or floor weight issues:
763 30 LD2s 3,720 CF
788 28 LD3s 4,452 CF
764 38 LD2s 4,712 CF
772 32 LD3s 5,088 CF
789 36 LD3s 5,724 CF
78X 40 LD3s 5,360 CF
77W 44 LD3s 6,996 CF


At the risk of sounding pedantic, about ~18 or so of the PW 77E’s only have 28 positions. The 77U subfleet according to your UA Fleet page.

Excellent work on that by the way.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 8:16 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
More stored aircraft.
All 764s appear are parked or stored. 9 in ROW.
Many 763s in IAH, plus 4 in ROW storage
10 772s in ROW storage
9 of 10 752PWs in ROW storage. N596UA been in SFO since 3/21
Parking locations: SFO, ORD, DEN, IAH, IAD, EWR, MCO, GUM, HNL, MSY, MIA, TPA, SAT, CLE, AUS, BOX, FLL, LAS, LGA, PDX
Storage/maint: ROW, GYR, INT, DLH, LCQ, ILN, HKG, XMN, VCV


Looking through the pilot pairings there are ZERO scheduled 764 flights in The month of April.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:39 pm

77H wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Jay, that makes perfect sense. The 767 floor issues and lack of taking normal pallets or LD3s width-wise is the problem. However, if using narrower LD2 containers (25% less space than an LD3), the 767 can pair those units for decent cubic footage, but isn't standard for many shippers.
For what it takes, here's the volume of total LD2 and LD3 spaces on below aircraft. Does not include bulk bins or floor weight issues:
763 30 LD2s 3,720 CF
788 28 LD3s 4,452 CF
764 38 LD2s 4,712 CF
772 32 LD3s 5,088 CF
789 36 LD3s 5,724 CF
78X 40 LD3s 5,360 CF
77W 44 LD3s 6,996 CF


At the risk of sounding pedantic, about ~18 or so of the PW 77E’s only have 28 positions. The 77U subfleet according to your UA Fleet page.

Excellent work on that by the way.

77H


Lower Bunk Crew Rest takes up the additional positions
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 9:58 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
More stored aircraft.
All 764s appear are parked or stored. 9 in ROW.
Many 763s in IAH, plus 4 in ROW storage
10 772s in ROW storage
9 of 10 752PWs in ROW storage. N596UA been in SFO since 3/21
Parking locations: SFO, ORD, DEN, IAH, IAD, EWR, MCO, GUM, HNL, MSY, MIA, TPA, SAT, CLE, AUS, BOX, FLL, LAS, LGA, PDX
Storage/maint: ROW, GYR, INT, DLH, LCQ, ILN, HKG, XMN, VCV


Looking through the pilot pairings there are ZERO scheduled 764 flights in The month of April.


It seems like that could be to simplify the scheduling and crews, but for a person that does not work in the industry that what it seems.
If that is the case, wouldn't they just ground all the 767's? maybe they have?!?!?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Mar 29, 2020 10:07 pm

ordbosewr wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
More stored aircraft.
All 764s appear are parked or stored. 9 in ROW.
Many 763s in IAH, plus 4 in ROW storage
10 772s in ROW storage
9 of 10 752PWs in ROW storage. N596UA been in SFO since 3/21
Parking locations: SFO, ORD, DEN, IAH, IAD, EWR, MCO, GUM, HNL, MSY, MIA, TPA, SAT, CLE, AUS, BOX, FLL, LAS, LGA, PDX
Storage/maint: ROW, GYR, INT, DLH, LCQ, ILN, HKG, XMN, VCV


Looking through the pilot pairings there are ZERO scheduled 764 flights in The month of April.


It seems like that could be to simplify the scheduling and crews, but for a person that does not work in the industry that what it seems.
If that is the case, wouldn't they just ground all the 767's? maybe they have?!?!?


All 767’s and 757’s are flown by the same crews
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 2:22 am

Amwest2United wrote:
77H wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
Jay, that makes perfect sense. The 767 floor issues and lack of taking normal pallets or LD3s width-wise is the problem. However, if using narrower LD2 containers (25% less space than an LD3), the 767 can pair those units for decent cubic footage, but isn't standard for many shippers.
For what it takes, here's the volume of total LD2 and LD3 spaces on below aircraft. Does not include bulk bins or floor weight issues:
763 30 LD2s 3,720 CF
788 28 LD3s 4,452 CF
764 38 LD2s 4,712 CF
772 32 LD3s 5,088 CF
789 36 LD3s 5,724 CF
78X 40 LD3s 5,360 CF
77W 44 LD3s 6,996 CF


At the risk of sounding pedantic, about ~18 or so of the PW 77E’s only have 28 positions. The 77U subfleet according to your UA Fleet page.

Excellent work on that by the way.

77H


Lower Bunk Crew Rest takes up the additional positions


Correct. And can cause real headaches for Cargo Sales and Ops departments as the 28 position 77E’s tend to show up on routes at random. At least in my experience.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:08 am

77H wrote:
Correct. And can cause real headaches for Cargo Sales and Ops departments as the 28 position 77E’s tend to show up on routes at random. At least in my experience.
77H



You are correct however for cargo charter flights 77Es are not being used. There are still some 77Es in service flying regularly scheduled routes but for our cargo charters.

For our cargo charters UA is utilizing the most efficient aircraft in our fleet for those operations. I'm not just talking about fuel burn efficient, to maximize revenue potential on each of these flights UA needs to use aircraft that maximize space. The 77E even without the lower crew rest area has a lot of dead unusable space, even with 10 PMC's in the hold. Which is why we are seeing more 789s doing cargo charters and no 77Es. A 789 with 11 PMC's utilizes every inch of the containerized sections in the cargo compartment both forward and aft as does the 78X with 13 PMC's on board.

The 77W is just a beast of an aircraft in terms of what can be carried on 14 PMC's, last week UA operated a cargo charter on a 77W with over 100,000 pounds of cargo in the belly of the beast.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:57 pm

752:
All 11 752PW units are now stored in ROW, I doubt they will return to service even though 7 have new WiFi.

763:
N673UA exited HKG 2797/30Mar with High J Polaris/PP

77W:
N2846U entered HKG maint 2775/30Mar

789:
N27957 sked to exit VCV 2743/30Mar in EvoBlu livery
N29961 sked to enter VCV 2742/30Mar for EvoBlu livery

Mod lines at HKG have been reduced from 7 to 5: was 6 Polaris /1 Domestic, now 5 Polaris/0 Domestic
Mod lines at XMN have been reduced from 5 to 3: was 3 772 Polaris, 2 787 Polaris, now 1 772 and 2 787s
763 Polaris line is not taking new units.
772 Polaris line: 772PW/complete, 772GE/1 to enter at some point,
787 Polaris line: no new units sent since Virus spread.
772ER Domestic program appears to be at least delayed
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 4:09 pm

jayunited wrote:
The 77W is just a beast of an aircraft in terms of what can be carried on 14 PMC's, last week UA operated a cargo charter on a 77W with over 100,000 pounds of cargo in the belly of the beast.


Was this a UA record?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:37 pm

Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:45 pm

kd9gy wrote:
Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.


It's a 78P actually (787-9 with Polaris) and it's still at ORD. Last I saw on here Boeing was going to have to do some work on the plane. I'm not sure there is that much of a rush right now.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 8:55 pm

kd9gy wrote:
Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.

Last I heard UA had contract with Boeing to have them come to ORD and do the work required to fix this aircraft.

ordbosewr wrote:
Was this a UA record?


To be honest I don't know if it was a record I would have to check, but it is till impressive what a 77W can carry.
 
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Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:08 pm

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Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.


There's another 787 out of service in DEN. mechanics pushed an airbus out of the hangar and hit a 787 the other day.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 9:12 pm

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77H wrote:
Correct. And can cause real headaches for Cargo Sales and Ops departments as the 28 position 77E’s tend to show up on routes at random. At least in my experience.
77H



You are correct however for cargo charter flights 77Es are not being used. There are still some 77Es in service flying regularly scheduled routes but for our cargo charters.

For our cargo charters UA is utilizing the most efficient aircraft in our fleet for those operations. I'm not just talking about fuel burn efficient, to maximize revenue potential on each of these flights UA needs to use aircraft that maximize space. The 77E even without the lower crew rest area has a lot of dead unusable space, even with 10 PMC's in the hold. Which is why we are seeing more 789s doing cargo charters and no 77Es. A 789 with 11 PMC's utilizes every inch of the containerized sections in the cargo compartment both forward and aft as does the 78X with 13 PMC's on board.

The 77W is just a beast of an aircraft in terms of what can be carried on 14 PMC's, last week UA operated a cargo charter on a 77W with over 100,000 pounds of cargo in the belly of the beast.


Thanks. My station only sees 77A’s and 77E’s, no charters as of yet. I was only speaking to the fact that normally, getting a LDCR 77E can be a pain from a planning perspective as the cycle in randomly.

Btw, interesting story on the SFO-GUM cargo flight on FT, Hub.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Mar 30, 2020 11:55 pm

kd9gy wrote:
Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.


There's another 787 out of service in DEN. mechanics pushed an airbus out of the hangar and hit a 787 the other day.

A couple rolls of speedtape will fix it!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 2:50 am

jetmatt777 wrote:
kd9gy wrote:
Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.


There's another 787 out of service in DEN. mechanics pushed an airbus out of the hangar and hit a 787 the other day.


Any idea which tail number was damaged at DEN?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 5:22 am

GmoneyCO wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:
kd9gy wrote:
Wondering about the status of the 78J with the bent wing at ORD...fixed or did they throw a tarp over it and parked it out of sight? Just curious with everything getting parked and stored.


There's another 787 out of service in DEN. mechanics pushed an airbus out of the hangar and hit a 787 the other day.


Any idea which tail number was damaged at DEN?

B788 N26906 perhaps?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26906
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Mar 31, 2020 12:09 pm

audidudi wrote:
GmoneyCO wrote:
jetmatt777 wrote:

There's another 787 out of service in DEN. mechanics pushed an airbus out of the hangar and hit a 787 the other day.


Any idea which tail number was damaged at DEN?

B788 N26906 perhaps?

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/N26906



That is not the aircraft that was damage, all 788s have been parked from some time now.

The aircraft that was damaged was N27957. Damage is described as minor unlike the event that happened at ORD which caused major damage to another 789.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:14 am

jayunited wrote:
airplanedriver6 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
...however UA will not be using any 767s for cargo flights.

Interesting. Everything must be in containers or on smaller pallets, no?

Doesn't the 767 have the largest cargo door in UA's passenger fleet?



UA's 767's do have the largest forward cargo door in UA's fleet and the rear cargo door is the smallest in UA's fleet. Having said that a 763 can only accommodate 4 PMC's and a 764 can only take 5 PMC's. Compare that to a 77E it can accommodate 10 PMC's, 789 can hold 11 PMC's, a 78X can take 13 PMC's and a 77W can accommodate 14 PMC's.

Also do to floor weight limitation UA's 763s and a 764s can only accommodate one 10,000 pound PMC every other PMC must weigh substantially less and the PMC located behind the nose gear on a 763 and 764 can not weight more than 4,000 pounds give or take a few pounds. Compare that to the 77E, 789, 78X and 77W all of these frames in both the forward and aft cargo hold can accommodate numerous 10,000 pound PMC's and the pallet position right behind the nose gear the floor weight loading limit is in the 9,000 pound range.

Even if we get rid off all the pallets and load LD containers for lets say a USPS mail charter, 767s have something called lateral imbalance. The Post Office likes to use LD3s and with the lateral imbalance a 763 can only take 11 LD3 while the stretch 764 can only take 7 LD3s. The lateral imbalance is because the 767 does not have a full width floor so LD3s can not be paired, and since LD3s are not full with containers loading more than 11 or 7 or the varying fleet types results in to much weight on left side on the aircraft verses the right side of the aircraft.


Registered to say thanks, really interesting info. Off topic, do 76Fs have different pallets in belly?

calpsafltskeds wrote:
77W:
N2846U entered HKG maint 2775/30Mar

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/aircraft/n2846u
From FR24, looks like it is one of those 77W cargo charters?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Apr 01, 2020 5:15 am

78J
N13013 B1 BOE48 CHSCHS 31Mar
 
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Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:38 pm

FR24Virus wrote:
Registered to say thanks, really interesting info. Off topic, do 76Fs have different pallets in belly?
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No 767s do not have different pallets they take the same 96 inch or 88 inch pallets. But the next time you are at the airport take notice of the forward cargo compartment door you will notice that door is larger and any other door on any other aircraft in the fleet. Reason for this is because on a 767 pallets must be loaded longitudinally and not laterally like they would be on any other widebody and that is because the 767s floor plan is not wide enough to accommodate a pallet loaded laterally.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:08 pm

Mainline Parked/Storage update: Parked aircraft do not have futures flights scheduled
319: 74 Total, 44 parked, 2 stored at ROW
320: 97 Total, 52 parked, 2 stored at ROW
73G: 40 Total, 24 parked
738 & 739 counts not done, but 739 nonERs are moving to ROW, 6 of 12 in or headed to ROW today
752: Total 51, 35 parked, 11 stored at ROW, including all 11 752PW
753: Total 21, 16 parked, 1 stored at ROW
763: Total 35, 29 parked, 1 in Polaris Mod
764: 16 Total, 1 in HKG maint, 15 stored at ROW
788: 12 Total, 10 parked, 1 in Polaris Mod
789: 28 Total, 19 parked, 1 in Polaris Mod
78X: Total 12, 5 parked
772 Domestic: 8 parked, 5 stored at ROW including sole 772ER Domestic and 3 ITPE (to become Domestic?)
772PW: 29 Total, 20 parked, 1 in Polaris Mod
772GE: 22 Total, 13 parked, 5 in Polaris Mod
77W: 22 Total, 7 parked, 1 in SFO Induction
Mainline Parked/stored Total: minimum of 384 (Wide 127, Narrow, 257 w/o 738/9 update)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 4:27 pm

UA has loaded another round of cuts last night beginning 4/9 and loaded on United.com until 4/14 (a placeholder until next extension). Some routes I'm looking at have some increases (some hub to hub), but most are more drastic cuts, some up to 50% from this week.

Now 67% domestic cut for April, 78% worldwide.

Temporary suspensions, most returning either 5/4 or 6/4 tentatively:

SFO/ORD-ABQ
DEN-ATW
EWR/IAD-AUS
DEN-BDL
EWR-BTV
EWR-BUF
DEN-CHS
SFO-CLE
SFO-DFW
LAX-EUG
SFO-GEG
DEN-GRR
DEN-HOB
DEN-JAX
EWR-LAS
EWR-MCI
SFO/EWR-MSP
EWR-MSY
SFO-OKC
EWR/IAH-ORF
EWR-PHX
LAX-PSP
LAX-RDM
IAH-RIC
EWR-SAN
EWR-SAT
LAX-SEA
DEN-SHV
EWR-SNA
DEN-STS
DEN/EWR-SYR
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:34 pm

I wonder when they are going to extend the international cuts. I've booked DEN-MUC and FRA-DEN for early/mid May. I don't see how that's going to happen.
300 319 320 321 332 333 345 346 380 717 733 734 735 73G 738 739 744 752 753 762 763 772 77W 788 789 CR2 CR7 CR9 CRK Q400 E175 DC10 MD82 MD90
AA AF AS AY AZ B6 BA BR DL F9 FI GA HA KF LH MI QX SK SN SQ UA US VY WN
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:34 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
UA has loaded another round of cuts last night beginning 4/9 and loaded on United.com until 4/14 (a placeholder until next extension). Some routes I'm looking at have some increases (some hub to hub), but most are more drastic cuts, some up to 50% from this week.

Now 67% domestic cut for April, 78% worldwide.

Temporary suspensions, most returning either 5/4 or 6/4 tentatively:

SFO/ORD-ABQ
DEN-ATW
EWR/IAD-AUS
DEN-BDL
EWR-BTV
EWR-BUF
DEN-CHS
SFO-CLE
SFO-DFW
LAX-EUG
SFO-GEG
DEN-GRR
DEN-HOB
DEN-JAX
EWR-LAS
EWR-MCI
SFO/EWR-MSP
EWR-MSY
SFO-OKC
EWR/IAH-ORF
EWR-PHX
LAX-PSP
LAX-RDM
IAH-RIC
EWR-SAN
EWR-SAT
LAX-SEA
DEN-SHV
EWR-SNA
DEN-STS
DEN/EWR-SYR

Whatever routes returning in May seems rather optimistic, with the situation worsening by the day in the US people are not going to be rushing onto airplanes at best until June.


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:43 pm

chepos wrote:
ericm2031 wrote:
UA has loaded another round of cuts last night beginning 4/9 and loaded on United.com until 4/14 (a placeholder until next extension). Some routes I'm looking at have some increases (some hub to hub), but most are more drastic cuts, some up to 50% from this week.

Now 67% domestic cut for April, 78% worldwide.

Temporary suspensions, most returning either 5/4 or 6/4 tentatively:

SFO/ORD-ABQ
DEN-ATW
EWR/IAD-AUS
DEN-BDL
EWR-BTV
EWR-BUF
DEN-CHS
SFO-CLE
SFO-DFW
LAX-EUG
SFO-GEG
DEN-GRR
DEN-HOB
DEN-JAX
EWR-LAS
EWR-MCI
SFO/EWR-MSP
EWR-MSY
SFO-OKC
EWR/IAH-ORF
EWR-PHX
LAX-PSP
LAX-RDM
IAH-RIC
EWR-SAN
EWR-SAT
LAX-SEA
DEN-SHV
EWR-SNA
DEN-STS
DEN/EWR-SYR

Whatever routes returning in May seems rather optimistic, with the situation worsening by the day in the US people are not going to be rushing onto airplanes at best until June.


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Here's the tentative resumption dates added in parentheses. Also service to ITO, OGG, LIH, KOA tentatively resumes 5/4

SFO (6/4)/ORD (?)-ABQ
DEN (6/4)-ATW
EWR (6/4)/IAD (5/4)-AUS
DEN-BDL (6/4)
EWR-BTV (5/4)
EWR-BUF (5/4)
DEN-CHS (6/4)
SFO-CLE (6/4)
SFO-DFW (6/4)
LAX-EUG (6/4)
SFO-GEG (5/4)
DEN-GRR (6/4)
DEN-HOB (6/4)
DEN-JAX (5/4)
EWR-LAS (5/4)
EWR-MCI (6/4)
SFO (6/4)/EWR (5/4)-MSP
EWR-MSY (6/4)
SFO-OKC (6/4)
EWR (5/4)/IAH (6/4)-ORF
EWR-PHX (5/4)
LAX-PSP (seasonal)
LAX-RDM (6/4)
IAH-RIC (6/4)
EWR-SAN (5/4)
EWR-SAT (6/4)
LAX-SEA (5/4)
DEN-SHV (5/4)
EWR-SNA (6/4)
DEN-STS (5/4)
DEN (6/4)/EWR (5/4)-SYR
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu Apr 02, 2020 5:55 pm

I forgot to post the usual notice the other day, but the fleet changes, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

There is also a post dedicated to keeping track of stored aircraft.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 03, 2020 2:55 pm

kordcj wrote:
jayunited wrote:
CALTECH wrote:

There was talk of using bigger jets to grab cargo business.


It is no longer talk for the next few weeks UA will be operating up to 40 cargo flights per week. Most cargo flight are being operated on either 77Ws, 78Xs, and 789s, from time to time we are using 77Es, however UA will not be using any 767s for cargo flights.


Also just happened to check and today March 27, 2020 at 22:31 zulu time UA only has 75 flights in the air at different phases of their flight. It is hard to imagine that on a Friday evening generally one of the busiest travel days UA only has 75 mainline flights in the air.

Is that including express too or just mainline?


Only hearing about Mainline, Express is a separate entity. Don't know what Express plans are.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:06 am

UAX Update:

Update on Parked 50-seat Jets. Trans States Airlines has completely shut down, and all units are stored for now. Below are all parked 50-seats jets. All other frames are either still flying or in for routine scheduled maintenance.

EV E45:
TYS: 535, 569, 570, 905, 976, 988
CLE: 537, 538, 540, 542, 545, 546, 548, 553, 556, 558, 564, 568, 573, 904, 908, 909, 910, 911, 915, 916, 980, 991
IAH: 574, 575, 901, 986, 987

AX E45:
STL: 832, 835, 836, 839, 842, 843, 844, 845, 846, 847

AX E45X:
TYS: 101, 111, 112, 120, 122, 126, 127, 128, 129, 130, 131, 138, 146, 150, 151, 153, 156
CLE: 102, 104, 113, 114, 116, 117, 119, 121, 123, 124, 125, 132, 136, 137, 144, 145, 155
IAH: 106, 142

C5 E45X:
ALB: 139, 143, 147, 152, 154, 157, 160, 162, 173, 174, 175, 186, 187, 191, 193, 197, 199, 202, 204

EV E45X:
TYS: 108, 109, 110, 180
IAH: 135, 158, 159
CLE: 167, 170

AW CR2:
DAY: 405, 413, 414, 454, 464
CAE: 438, 444, 452, 458, 461, 471
MKE: 415, 430, 431, 433, 437, 440
ATW: 420, 436, 449,

SW CR2:
ORD: 431
TUS: 464, 652, 881, 903EV, 941, 945, 980, 983, 986, 987
FAT: 466, 868
OKC: 932
COS: 915, 920, 962
SLC: 492
IAH: 927

CR5: all flying
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:41 am

Here in PHX we have 0294 in storage and we are putting 0284 in to storage tonight
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 5:40 am

LGeneReese wrote:
78J
N13013 B1 BOE48 CHSCHS 31Mar

B2 BOE48 CHSCHS 3APR

789
N29978 shows RFD.. So will either craft actually deliver any time soon or just sit in a corner somewhere?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 1:49 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
LGeneReese wrote:
78J
N13013 B1 BOE48 CHSCHS 31Mar

B2 BOE48 CHSCHS 3APR

789
N29978 shows RFD.. So will either craft actually deliver any time soon or just sit in a corner somewhere?


I seem to recall a reply in one of the threads that UA will take delivery of all planes on order that they have financing already lined up. My guess is UA already had that done for all of the planes in the short timeframe (ie in the next month or so).Beyond that, like all of Max planes the only people that know work at the building formerly known as Sears Tower....
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:19 pm

I'm guessing on the below fleet reductions upon service re-start:
319: hope to undo easyJet deal - retire 20 pre-1999 units, take newer China Southern units, cheap way to replace aging units.
320: retire 40 pre-1998 or 50 pre-1999 units
73G: retain these 1998/99 units - possibly sublease WN units back to WN for now to bring in some cash.
738: All newer than 1997 - probably keep until heavy checks come up like done with some 319/320 units
739: All are 2008 and newer except 12 2001 non-ER units. They were based in IAH and range limitations were workable. I'd store them until needed, doubt if they would have sales value. See below for more of my take on the 739.
752: Exit the 11 PW units now - Exit RR units as heavy checks come due. They might be able to provide more flights to Ireland/British Isles until 321XLR arrive, when they should be removed one-to-one with 321 deliveries. See if cargo market might make a sale of any 752s - if so sell any in fleet.
753: Retain these 2001-04 units. If Condor units become available for a song, pick them up.

763: Take 2 class units (1991-93) and move seats to 764 - as each stripped, exit the 763 units. The 2 class units can operate Transcons pretty efficiently. until seat removal, but may need to be stored until seats stripped. Keep 46J units (1998/2002) - flip a coin on N652UA (1992) in 46J mod and N674UA (2000) that is still Diamond seating.
772: Park 3 ER ITPE units, then convert to Domestic when 772As need removal due heavy checks. 772As are pretty efficient as mass transit movers for Domestic and Hawaii. Complete and retain all 772Polaris ER units
787s, complete Polaris program.
That would remove about 90 Narrowbodies and remove 21 older 763s (2 class and Diamond) from schedule right away, except maybe N652UA which is in High J Polaris mod.
That's about 110 mainline aircraft. If more are needed, then store some for now.

As for Express aircraft, there could be total turmoil with these carriers struggling to survive - TransState is out of business and all UAX units parked. UA may not have a choice on some Express operators, but voiding UA of all 50 seat units may not reflect demand problems. Also, scope issues may continue to restrict matching seat demand with express units.

The 739A non-ER units are all at least 3 years newer than the oldest 738 and a superior ride.  They have 4 more F seats, 9 more Y seats and a mid cabin lav.  With takeoff weights equal to a 738, IMHO I'd park them until demand returns, but would much rather retire older 2008 738 units before the 2001 739s.  The only issue with the 739A is limited MTOW, which has been successfully handled by basing the aircraft in IAH. Otherwise they match the 739ER interior except they do not have power in Y, which is the same power as the 738 fleet.    
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:33 pm

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73G: retain these 1998/99 units - possibly sublease WN units back to WN for now to bring in some cash.  


You’ve suggested this a couple of times now, but why would WN want to lease back any capacity? They’re just as affected as everyone else in this current situation. In the Southwest fleet thread, someone mentioned that they’re parking 200 planes themselves. They would have no reason to start paying UA for planes that neither airline needs at the moment.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 2:57 pm

I would suppose that the future of the CR2’s and ERJ145’s will be to keep them in storage for a while vs scrapping?

I’m going to go out on a limb and suggest that the air travel bounce back is going to be far more robust than predicted.
If that is the case, how quickly can such a complex logistical operation like United put capacity back into the system?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 04, 2020 3:27 pm

Yes, I was just guessing if the MAX situation continues when the Coronavirus situation is winding down that maybe WN might need to retain aircraft instead of having to further reduce their fleet.

Of course, everyone has their fleets grounded, but after the virus situation is over, depending on demand (especially international demand), UA may have excess capacity with new units arriving and used units in the pipeline while WN will be reducing total fleet by lease returning units going to UA. Just a thought if that special, unlikely set of events take place.

Oops, with my post on 739s, I mistakenly talked about retiring 2008 738 units - that was an error and should have said 1998 units.

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