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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:04 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
United1 wrote:
atcsundevil wrote:
Has it really been that long? Wow. They've only done 10% of the regional fleet, and less than 10% of the mainline fleet (many are new deliveries). They're taking about as long as pmUA did with the Shades of Blue livery. At this rate, they should be just about finished by the next merger.


A little harsh....

The new livery repaint was glowing slowly because of the MAX groundings and the Covid induced financial crisis certainly is not helping.

Relax guys, I was just joking. Nothing about the past year has been normal.


Cheers.....my sarcasm detector is not working today :)

Thanks for all of the work that you do cleaning up the threads!
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:18 pm

UA444 wrote:
Same people that bashed UA for “taking too long” (they didn’t) switching from grey to blue are now peachy with the slow time they’re switching from the CO livery to the CO livery on steroids.

But the virus!! Yeah, and back then they still had to deal with Ch.11, SARS 1, bird flu, higher oil prices, worst recession since the depression, and far more competitive landscape. They still got unfairly bashed while airlines like DL and WN took their sweet time and nobody here cared.


Wow that comment must have struck a nerve.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:57 pm

UA444 wrote:
They still got unfairly bashed while airlines like DL and WN took their sweet time and nobody here cared.

I remember lots of caring about Delta running three liveries simultaneously in the early 2000s. Might pre-date your time on this website mind you.



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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 12:10 am

Just announced

For the full summer travel season UA will suspend all service to NAP, VCE, OPO, LIS, EDI, BCN, MAD, and SCL.

The seasonal routes will not return until the 2021 season.

In addition United will also suspend service from June through October on the following routes:

DEN-LHR
IAH-LHR 2X daily
EWR-LIM
EWR-BCN
EWR-MAD
EWR-LIS
IAH-SCL

United expects June reduction to be similar to May's the final June schedule should be out in a few weeks.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 3:10 am

Planned June longhauls same as May.

EWR-AMS/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD-FRA
IAH-GRU
ORD-LHR
SFO-NRT/SYD
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:07 am

789
N29978 Delivery UA2706 CHSIAD 24APR.
Presume this one was waiting for N13013 to complete induction..
N24979 will likely sit in CHS for same reason.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:28 am

United will take delivery of a new 787-9 on April 29. SFO will perform the induction work since IAD is space limited.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:24 am

VirginFlyer wrote:
UA444 wrote:
They still got unfairly bashed while airlines like DL and WN took their sweet time and nobody here cared.

I remember lots of caring about Delta running three liveries simultaneously in the early 2000s. Might pre-date your time on this website mind you.



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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:12 pm

KVH68 wrote:
United will take delivery of a new 787-9 on April 29. SFO will perform the induction work since IAD is space limited.

That would be 0979... 0978 just started induction at IAD...
N24980 is just started on the CHS FAL. I here Boeing is reducing 787 production to 7/month so may be awhile on that one.
Over all there will be seven more 789s after this and then one more 78J, N13014, ... which currently is planned to be LN1114.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 4:48 pm

KLMatSJC wrote:
VirginFlyer wrote:
UA444 wrote:
They still got unfairly bashed while airlines like DL and WN took their sweet time and nobody here cared.

I remember lots of caring about Delta running three liveries simultaneously in the early 2000s. Might pre-date your time on this website mind you.



V/F

If the merger didn't happen, I wouldn't be shocked if we still had some battleship grey planes flying around :duck:



HAHA im sure of it!!

once this virus blows over, UA should release a retro livery. Imagine them bringing back them the old liveries but with a twist. the blue livery in a dreamliner style.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:23 pm

its United getting the remain second hand A319/B737 on orders ?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:36 pm

danipawa wrote:
its United getting the remain second hand A319/B737 on orders ?


For the time being yes, two A319s have been delivered in the past few weeks and are undergoing induction work at XMN and two 73G have been delivered, one two days ago
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 5:57 pm

73G:
N7707C - Future N15758 was delivered to UA on 23-Apr per FAA records. Currently parked at PAE
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 6:34 pm

73G all 20 coming from SW? thanks for the info

Boeing 737 -76N 32661 1593 N18757 United Airlines owner regd 16apr20, parked at PAE with old N-reg prior delivery ex N7706A

Boeing 737 -76N 32667 1623 N15758 United Airlines owner regd 23apr20, parked at PAE with old N-reg prior delivery ex N7707C

Airbus A319 -132 2505 N882UA United Airlines regd 16apr20 prior delivery ex XMN ex B-6205
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:02 pm

I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 9:19 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus


am i seeing this that UA does not have any aircraft at EWR in storage/etc?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 10:22 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus


Company computer is showing:
DLH A319 HMV (heavy maintenance, D-check)
GYR 2qty 757-200 C-check
HKG 2qty 777-200 various checks
HKG 777-300 C-check
LCQ A319 HMV
MIA 7qty 737 C/D-check
MIA 757-300 C-check
SAT 757-300 C-check
TPA 3qty 737 C/D-check
XMN 3qty 777 various checks
XMN 2qty A319 HMV
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Apr 25, 2020 11:26 pm

Thanks, DVH68 - I've updated the memo line on those aircraft in fleet spreadsheet:
How about these? Maybe some in MIA/TPA are parked/stored
DLH 320: N419UA
MIA: 10 737s/ 73G: N14735, N24736/ 738: N14240, N17245, N14249, N73256/ 739: N81449, N68453, N68817, N67846
TPA: 8 737s/ 738, N27213, N13227, N37255, N35260, N78285, N37290/. 739: N66803, N61881
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:01 am

ordbosewr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus


am i seeing this that UA does not have any aircraft at EWR in storage/etc?

Does EWR really have much spare room to store aircraft though?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:15 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Thanks, DVH68 - I've updated the memo line on those aircraft in fleet spreadsheet:
How about these? Maybe some in MIA/TPA are parked/stored
DLH 320: N419UA
MIA: 10 737s/ 73G: N14735, N24736/ 738: N14240, N17245, N14249, N73256/ 739: N81449, N68453, N68817, N67846
TPA: 8 737s/ 738, N27213, N13227, N37255, N35260, N78285, N37290/. 739: N66803, N61881


Seems like DLH N419UA (4619)is done with maintenance but is still at DLH
N14735 D-check MIA
N24736 D-check MIA
N14240 D-check MIA
N17245 D-check MIA
N14249 D-check MIA
N73256 D-check MIA
N81449 stored MIA
N68453 stored MIA
N68817 C-check MIA
N67846 stored
0865 757-300 C-check MIA

N27213 stored TPA
N13227 stored TPA
N37255 D-check MCO
N35260 stored TPA
N78285 D-check TPA
N37290 D-check TPA
N66803 stored TPA
N61881 stored TPA
0438 737-900ER D-check TPA
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:18 am

ordbosewr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus


am i seeing this that UA does not have any aircraft at EWR in storage/etc?


UA aircraft stored at EWR
0137, 0434, 0813. I don't know what type of aircraft these are. All I know is they are sub-Continental since the aircraft number starts with a zero
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 12:30 am

KVH68 wrote:
ordbosewr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus


am i seeing this that UA does not have any aircraft at EWR in storage/etc?


UA aircraft stored at EWR
0137, 0434, 0813. I don't know what type of aircraft these are. All I know is they are sub-Continental since the aircraft number starts with a zero


137-757 RR
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:26 am

KVH68 wrote:
ordbosewr wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
I was surprised to see on Twitter that repaulson @rossp165 (thank you, Ross) had developed a map with stored aircraft from the UA Fleet Site data.
Take a look - it shows info on aircraft at each station. The aircraft shown are either in a storage location or at a UA station for at least 14 days.
https://public.tableau.com/profile/rpau ... leetStatus


am i seeing this that UA does not have any aircraft at EWR in storage/etc?


UA aircraft stored at EWR
0137, 0434, 0813. I don't know what type of aircraft these are. All I know is they are sub-Continental since the aircraft number starts with a zero

Since the merger I have always wondered what clueless bean counter decided to merge the CO/UA Ship/Nose #s by adding a ‘0’ to CO’s three digit system. Most of the computer software used won’t accept ‘0’ as the first digit thus forcing the use of ‘3’ online for all sub-CO Ship numbering. ‘3’ just happened to be not in current use in UA’s numbering system. At the time they should have simply added ‘3’ instead of ‘0’ to the sub-CO fleet and been done with any subsequent confusion. It’s been a very minor annoyance ever since. But one that could have been avoided if someone had thought it though at the time.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 3:57 am

Thanks for alI the information.
I know some flights may have been cancelled, but FR24 shows these aircraft's most recent flights
739 N37434 stored in ROW after 2716/22Mar EWR-ROW
739 N69813 stored in CLE after 2764/2Apr EWR-CLE
752 N34137 stored in DEN after 698/10Apr EWR-DEN
I've seen narrowbodies lay over in EWR for a few days, then leave, but according to FR24 only 2 or 3 are on the ground. FR24 shows the below sitting in EWR (can't go back more than a week)
77X N12004*, N12012*, N17002* (* are sked to depart tomorrow)
77W 2639U*, N2251U
319 N803UA
739 N38458, N68842
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:13 am

KFTG wrote:
FlyingMSY wrote:
S2-AHC, one of United's used 73Gs yet to enter service, is shown on here being parted for scrap. Is there any indications that the transfer was canceled or something?

Indeed scrapped.


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:48 am

UAX Update:

E175SC:
N601UX now flying for SkyWest
N621UA now flying for SkyWest
N624UX now flying for SkyWest
Aircraft in BOI in prep for OO transfer: 602, 608
Aircraft in OKC in prep for OO transfer: 619, 620, 623

Update on Parked Aircraft Below for 70+ seaters. Note more large RJ fleet are now flying (better match to capacity) as more of the narrow-body mainline fleet has been parked. All frames not listed below are currently flying (or in for routine scheduled maintenance).

OO E175 - all flying

YV E175 - all flying

YX E175:
CMH: 721, 727, 728, 740, 752
SDF: 741, 742
IND: 722, 723, 749

YX E170:
SDF: 632, 643, 645, 651, 855, 861
CMH: 633, 636, 637, 644, 649, 654
IND: 631, 641, 655, 656, 657, 856, 858, 859, 864, 979

YV CR7:
TUS: 509
IAD: 511, 512
OKC: 502

OO CR7 - all flying
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 5:35 pm

I read somewhere and I forgot where that the May schedule will only require 117 aircraft. Is that true? If so, that’s really bad.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 6:20 pm

kordcj wrote:
I read somewhere and I forgot where that the May schedule will only require 117 aircraft. Is that true? If so, that’s really bad.


That sounds about right...I think UA/UAX is only going to be flying around 550 flights a day in May and probably June as well. Keep in mind UA is rotating aircraft in and out of storage so an aircraft might fly for a week then get parked for the rest of the month.

Looks like they pulled 757s off the transcontinental rounds so I am assuming that the 752s will be parked for a while (I can't find any 753s on the schedule right now so they may be grounded as well.)

I am seeing 788s on the schedule...I'm not sure of they pulled the 788s out of storage or if UA is just using that as a place holder type for the 787. (specifically EWR-SFO and ORD-SFO)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Apr 26, 2020 7:33 pm

United1 wrote:
kordcj wrote:
I read somewhere and I forgot where that the May schedule will only require 117 aircraft. Is that true? If so, that’s really bad.


That sounds about right...I think UA/UAX is only going to be flying around 550 flights a day in May and probably June as well. Keep in mind UA is rotating aircraft in and out of storage so an aircraft might fly for a week then get parked for the rest of the month.

Looks like they pulled 757s off the transcontinental rounds so I am assuming that the 752s will be parked for a while (I can't find any 753s on the schedule right now so they may be grounded as well.)

I am seeing 788s on the schedule...I'm not sure of they pulled the 788s out of storage or if UA is just using that as a place holder type for the 787. (specifically EWR-SFO and ORD-SFO)


There will be no757’s or 767’s flying from May3 to June 4. All models.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:41 am

CriticalPoint wrote:
United1 wrote:
kordcj wrote:
I read somewhere and I forgot where that the May schedule will only require 117 aircraft. Is that true? If so, that’s really bad.


That sounds about right...I think UA/UAX is only going to be flying around 550 flights a day in May and probably June as well. Keep in mind UA is rotating aircraft in and out of storage so an aircraft might fly for a week then get parked for the rest of the month.

Looks like they pulled 757s off the transcontinental rounds so I am assuming that the 752s will be parked for a while (I can't find any 753s on the schedule right now so they may be grounded as well.)

I am seeing 788s on the schedule...I'm not sure of they pulled the 788s out of storage or if UA is just using that as a place holder type for the 787. (specifically EWR-SFO and ORD-SFO)


There will be no757’s or 767’s flying from May3 to June 4. All models.


After May 4th, I can only find A319's, B737-700 and like 12 B737-800's (EWR-LAX/SFO, SFO-Hawaii, DEN-ANC and a couple others), no A320's, no 757's, no 767's, no 737-900, no 787-8, two- 777-200's (SFO-HNL-GUM) (it is a given some may be sub'd day of)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:47 am

Amwest2United wrote:
CriticalPoint wrote:
United1 wrote:

That sounds about right...I think UA/UAX is only going to be flying around 550 flights a day in May and probably June as well. Keep in mind UA is rotating aircraft in and out of storage so an aircraft might fly for a week then get parked for the rest of the month.

Looks like they pulled 757s off the transcontinental rounds so I am assuming that the 752s will be parked for a while (I can't find any 753s on the schedule right now so they may be grounded as well.)

I am seeing 788s on the schedule...I'm not sure of they pulled the 788s out of storage or if UA is just using that as a place holder type for the 787. (specifically EWR-SFO and ORD-SFO)


There will be no757’s or 767’s flying from May3 to June 4. All models.


After May 4th, I can only find A319's, B737-700 and like 12 B737-800's (EWR-LAX/SFO, SFO-Hawaii, DEN-ANC and a couple others), no A320's, no 757's, no 767's, no 737-900, no 787-8, two- 777-200's (SFO-HNL-GUM) (it is a given some may be sub'd day of)


I was looking at May 8th.

UA 1121 EWR-SFO and ORD-SFO UA257 are 788s.

788s, 73Gs and 319s are the smallest of the type UA operates soooo I am assuming they are simply placeholders for their larger counterparts. The 788s have been parked since this all started but it's possible UA wants to stretch their legs at bit. The 789 and 78X aircraft have been operating international passenger and cargo only flights so more likely those couple of domestic flights will operate with those aircraft.

757 and 767 aircraft are all parked next month.

EWR-TLV, AMS, FRA and LHR are all 78X
IAD-FRA is a 78X
ORD-LHR is a 78X
IAH-GRU is a 789
SFO-SYD, NRT are 789

The aircraft for ORD and IAD can rotate at LHR and FRA respectively but I'm not sure how the frames for IAH are getting there. Probably a cargo only flight?

SFO-HNL-GUM is a 772

Any other 77W or 77E flying next month is probably going to be cargo only. UA has been using 789 and 78X's for quite few cargo only flights as well (LAX-SYD and SFO-TLV/AMS come to mind.)
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:32 am

UAX Update:

Updated 50-seater fleets: All aircraft not listed below are currently flying (or in for scheduled maintenance).

OO CR2:
TUS: 464, 652, 857, 860, 881, 901EV, 937EV, 938, 941, 987, 902

ZW CR2:
ROW: 451, 440, 438, 437, 436

EV 145XR:
TYS: 105, 108, 109, 110, 166, 180, 192
RIC: 185
IAH: 135, 159
CLE: 167, 170

C5 145XR:
ALB: 139, 143, 147, 148, 157, 160, 161, 162, 168, 172, 173, 174, 178, 181, 182, 186, 187, 193, 194, 197, 198, 199, 202, 204

AX 145XR: all parked

EV 145:
TYS: 535, 551, 555, 569, 570, 902, 905, 975, 976, 977, 988
CLE: 537, 538, 540, 542, 545, 546, 548, 553, 556, 558, 564, 568, 573, 904, 908, 909, 910, 911, 915, 916, 980, 991
IAH: 574, 575, 901, 986
RIC: 562, 981, 989, 995

AX 145:
STL: 839, 842, 843, 844, 845, 846
The following frames have permanently exited the fleet:
Parked at IGM: 832, 835, 836
Sold: 847

G7 CR5:
STL: 534, 535, 536, 538, 539, 540, 541, 543, 544, 545
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:40 am

PHX has a few more stores aircraft. 0801, 0848, 0888, 0897 and 0898. PHX has 7 stored and room for 3 more.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:22 am

789
Any have info on status of N29975, the then brand new 789 the suffered wing damage in ORD, hitting a light pole, before its first revenue flight? Is it actively being repaired at this time or parked, waiting on better times ?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 12:33 pm

LGeneReese wrote:
789
Any have info on status of N29975, the then brand new 789 the suffered wing damage in ORD, hitting a light pole, before its first revenue flight? Is it actively being repaired at this time or parked, waiting on better times ?


That aircraft is still at ORD being repaired.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 2:50 pm

The fleet changes, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

There is also a post dedicated to keeping track of stored mainline aircraft.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:01 pm

atcsundevil wrote:
The fleet changes, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

There is also a post dedicated to keeping track of stored mainline aircraft.

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Question, for stored aircraft at stations like BOS and MSY, are they being stored at gates (because I am assuming UA is not using all of the assigned gates at each of these stations)? or at a parking pad like larger stations/hubs like ORD or SFO.

Even for the larger stations are gates being used for parking? I recall reading that is what they are doing at Amsterdam.

I hope this was not asked previously and I missed it.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 3:26 pm

ordbosewr wrote:
Question, for stored aircraft at stations like BOS and MSY, are they being stored at gates (because I am assuming UA is not using all of the assigned gates at each of these stations)? or at a parking pad like larger stations/hubs like ORD or SFO.

Even for the larger stations are gates being used for parking? I recall reading that is what they are doing at Amsterdam.

I hope this was not asked previously and I missed it.

I would assume that they're being stored on ramp parking, but calpsafltskeds or someone else probably knows for sure. I do know that at IAD there are a number of aircraft parked in overflow ramp space, and there are also a number of aircraft left at gates on the C/D concourse, only some of which seem to be active. The ones left at gates are likely floating in and out of operation, while the parked aircraft are being stored on a more indefinite basis.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 4:54 pm

I don't have a clue about parked aircraft at airports like BOS/MSY/AUS/LGA/PDX/LAS/PHX, but would assume gates could be used even though some aircraft sit for about a week or more. It looks like PHX and PDX are being used for storage over 14 days - a report from PHX, with perfect storage conditions, appears to indicate ramp area is used.

You would think security, gate availability and cost would be a factor. I assume airports where UA regular maintenance is done - MIA/TPA/HOU/SAT/INT would have ramp space along with the line stations having gate space.

Regarding the 757 fleet, it sounds like the 753 is also parked in May. I believe that means the entire pilot group that fly interchangeably on 757/767 fleets will not be working.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 5:20 pm

So from what I'm noticing it looks like the ex-EV E175s coming to OO are being converted from 12F/28Y+/30Y to 12F/32Y+/26Y. For comparison, the 76-seat version is 12F/16Y+/48Y. I'm guessing the new YV ones will match the new configuration as well, assuming no changes to that order.

Also, the United.com fleet page shows power outlets in all rows. Was this the case when they were EV, or was this just added, or is it a mistake? The flight status amenities page don’t reflect it.

I know the original plan was to keep them primarily in the ex-EV hubs to avoid swaps between the 70-seat and 76-seat versions, but I see them making their way West...I'm assuming just to keep the planes moving and with loads so low, it shouldn't cause any seating issues.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 6:42 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
Regarding the 757 fleet, it sounds like the 753 is also parked in May. I believe that means the entire pilot group that fly interchangeably on 757/767 fleets will not be working.


That is correct.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:51 pm

ordbosewr wrote:
Question, for stored aircraft at stations like BOS and MSY, are they being stored at gates (because I am assuming UA is not using all of the assigned gates at each of these stations)? or at a parking pad like larger stations/hubs like ORD or SFO.

Even for the larger stations are gates being used for parking? I recall reading that is what they are doing at Amsterdam.

I hope this was not asked previously and I missed it.


When you say "stored" what are you referring to because United is not "storing" aircraft at MSY or BOS.

Most of our short term stored aircraft are not occupying a gate. United does have some aircraft sitting at gates that are rotated in and out of service, meaning a plane may sit on a gate for 24, 48 or 72 hours before its next flight but I'm not sure I would consider that storage. This is why I asked what are you referring to when you say stored?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:26 pm

jayunited wrote:
ordbosewr wrote:
Question, for stored aircraft at stations like BOS and MSY, are they being stored at gates (because I am assuming UA is not using all of the assigned gates at each of these stations)? or at a parking pad like larger stations/hubs like ORD or SFO.

Even for the larger stations are gates being used for parking? I recall reading that is what they are doing at Amsterdam.

I hope this was not asked previously and I missed it.


When you say "stored" what are you referring to because United is not "storing" aircraft at MSY or BOS.

Most of our short term stored aircraft are not occupying a gate. United does have some aircraft sitting at gates that are rotated in and out of service, meaning a plane may sit on a gate for 24, 48 or 72 hours before its next flight but I'm not sure I would consider that storage. This is why I asked what are you referring to when you say stored?


My apologies, I used the wrong terms, I meant 'parked' not stored. I am really curious about airports like MSY, I think those are very curious given they not big numbers and also may not have crews based there, so it is interesting. I mean I know it is a giant puzzle and sometimes a plane might stay where it is because that is cheaper/easier. I never would have thought MSY would have been a place UA would put a plan for any length of time. BOS is an easy one as I know it was maintenance base for pmUA and they even had the nice hanger (with the great image on the outside as you would exit Logan, had many a views of that when I lived there).

Thank you atcsundevil and calpsafltskedsall for your input as well.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 9:45 pm

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Also, the United.com fleet page shows power outlets in all rows. Was this the case when they were EV, or was this just added, or is it a mistake? The flight status amenities page don’t reflect it.
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Eric-

Correct. I flew these EV 175's a few times. The Economy Plus Seats on the 175 had the Power Outlets in those rows too. Whether UA/OO takes them out for SkyWest configuration, no idea!

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:25 pm

So to address the questions on short-term and long-term storage at out stations, I can comment on the situation at PDX.

Short-term: UA is not even operating their published schedule at this point. They are canceling flights a day or two out all the time. For PDX, we are scheduled to have three flights in and out (1 each to SFO, DEN and ORD). But only two flights in/out have been operating most days.

So, that means there is a surplus of frames to fly the schedule and they have to be kept somewhere. There have been five to six NBs sitting at gates or the RON ramp at any one time for the past couple of weeks in addition to the two or three frames needed to fly the schedule. Every couple of days, a extra section is added and a frame that has been here for a week or so leaves...or a new plane coming in is added to the collection here. WN seems to be employing a similar model.

Long-term: There are three UA A319s that are stored here; that is, they are taped up, engines covered, etc. They don't look like they are going anywhere anytime soon. They are keeping about 20+ AS mainline jets and and a handful of QX Q400s and E175s parked in the midfield of of the airport good company.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 10:31 pm

ericm2031 wrote:
So from what I'm noticing it looks like the ex-EV E175s coming to OO are being converted from 12F/28Y+/30Y to 12F/32Y+/26Y. For comparison, the 76-seat version is 12F/16Y+/48Y. I'm guessing the new YV ones will match the new configuration as well, assuming no changes to that order.

Also, the United.com fleet page shows power outlets in all rows. Was this the case when they were EV, or was this just added, or is it a mistake? The flight status amenities page don’t reflect it.

I know the original plan was to keep them primarily in the ex-EV hubs to avoid swaps between the 70-seat and 76-seat versions, but I see them making their way West...I'm assuming just to keep the planes moving and with loads so low, it shouldn't cause any seating issues.


The EV E175SC have always been in the 12F/32Y+/26Y configuration. They’ve also had power in all rows from delivery. That configuration is staying the same as the planes transfer from EV to OO. And the new Mesa fleet of E175SCs will have the exact same configuration. I’m not sure how Skywest will integrate these into the 76-seat fleet to avoid swaps, but there is no reconfiguring being done during the transfer.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:11 pm

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ericm2031 wrote:
So from what I'm noticing it looks like the ex-EV E175s coming to OO are being converted from 12F/28Y+/30Y to 12F/32Y+/26Y. For comparison, the 76-seat version is 12F/16Y+/48Y. I'm guessing the new YV ones will match the new configuration as well, assuming no changes to that order.

Also, the United.com fleet page shows power outlets in all rows. Was this the case when they were EV, or was this just added, or is it a mistake? The flight status amenities page don’t reflect it.

I know the original plan was to keep them primarily in the ex-EV hubs to avoid swaps between the 70-seat and 76-seat versions, but I see them making their way West...I'm assuming just to keep the planes moving and with loads so low, it shouldn't cause any seating issues.


The EV E175SC have always been in the 12F/32Y+/26Y configuration. They’ve also had power in all rows from delivery. That configuration is staying the same as the planes transfer from EV to OO. And the new Mesa fleet of E175SCs will have the exact same configuration. I’m not sure how Skywest will integrate these into the 76-seat fleet to avoid swaps, but there is no reconfiguring being done during the transfer.


Okay, Wiki and ExpressJet's website (and an Embraer press release last year) were all showing 12F/28Y+/30Y, so I was seeing so many different conflicting numbers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Apr 27, 2020 11:36 pm

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I am really curious about airports like MSY, I think those are very curious given they not big numbers and also may not have crews based there, so it is interesting. I mean I know it is a giant puzzle and sometimes a plane might stay where it is because that is cheaper/easier. I never would have thought MSY would have been a place UA would put a plan for any length of time. BOS is an easy one as I know it was maintenance base for pmUA and they even had the nice hanger (with the great image on the outside as you would exit Logan, had many a views of that when I lived there).

Again, there are probably a bunch of other people who know better than me, as I am but a humble air traffic controller, but I'll take a crack at it.

Most of the outstation locations were probably chosen based on a few factors. I'm sure cost ranked pretty high up there. The airlines obviously want to park them someplace cheap and practical, and airlines want revenue any way they can get it right now. Location is also a factor too. We're headed into severe weather season, so it wouldn't be ideal to park too many airplanes in a place at risk of high winds, tornados, hail, etc. Maintenance I'm sure it's a factor as well. I know that UA used to have maintenance at PHX (presumably still does), so that combined with an ideal climate and relatively low costs makes it a good location. Having mechanics already on payroll at the outstation make it easy to maintain the aircraft while they're parked. I don't know about MSY, BOS, etc., but I'm willing to bet that UA has some mechanics at most of those outstations. The company can't furlough or lay off mechanics for a while, so they may as well keep them working even though the airplanes aren't.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Apr 28, 2020 5:40 am

For what its worth, I'm posting on the UA Fleet Site an aircraft as stored if it is in ROW/GYR/HOU/DLH/LCQ/RFD/INT or if it is parked for 14 days or more at a UA airport. TPA & MIA does a lot of maint, so who knows if an aircraft parked is in for maint, short term parking or stored.

Maybe someone could let us know with more details.
Some narrows are parked for more than 14 days at SEA, PDX and PHX.,
Using the 14 day minimum (plus stored airports),
Wide
76L, 764, 788 and 772ER fleets are entirely parked.
763A has 11 of 17 stored, 772Domestic 15 of 23
789, 78X and 77W fleets are very active
Narrow
739Non-ER and 752GE fleets all stored
Balance of narrow bodies have about 260 stored, 450 parked and 110 in operation. 752 is the most stored with only 4% of the fleet in operation.
 
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United plans tag routes

Tue Apr 28, 2020 12:11 pm

Just found this article,

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/04/27/uni ... flights-6/

it looks like United airlines will be starting to fly tag routes, most of them are from either their Denver or Chicago hub. I expect them to add more in the coming weeks.

Looks like HHH-SAV is now the shortest scheduled commercial flight by a major carrier
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