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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 5:24 pm

windy95 wrote:
ryanflyer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A pilot posted that the 757s are gone, anyone got any update on this?


I saw that too, and ran that by a reliable source who said that is false. No retirements have been called yet in the 757 fleet, not even the P&W birds.


The 757's have more than likely flown their last revenue flight for United. It should be just a matter of time before the official announcements for the 757/767/777 retirements.


The addition of the 7x 78J's announced should further the retirement you suggest. With 15 787's coming on in 18 months or so at UA, and no demand, something's bound to leave.

757's - MAX 9/10 + 321XLR (a few years off) - plenty of capacity.
77A's x 23 planned a/c - 78J's can do long haul Hawaii flying with the same capacity
772's - GE Do you ditch all those newly retrofitted Polaris a/c? Wow, that's a lot of $ flushed. Keep the PMCO GE fleet as it's newer?
772's - PW Do you ditch all those newly retrofitted Polaris a/c? Wow, that's a lot of $ flushed.
77W - these are a keeper, right?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 5:25 pm

windy95 wrote:
calpsafltskeds wrote:
For what its worth, I'm posting on the UA Fleet Site an aircraft as stored if it is in ROW/GYR/HOU/DLH/LCQ/RFD/INT or if it is parked for 14 days or more at a UA airport. TPA & MIA does a lot of maint, so who knows if an aircraft parked is in for maint, short term parking or stored.

Maybe someone could let us know with more details.
Some narrows are parked for more than 14 days at SEA, PDX and PHX.,
Using the 14 day minimum (plus stored airports),
Wide
76L, 764, 788 and 772ER fleets are entirely parked.
763A has 11 of 17 stored, 772Domestic 15 of 23
789, 78X and 77W fleets are very active
Narrow
739Non-ER and 752GE fleets all stored
Balance of narrow bodies have about 260 stored, 450 parked and 110 in operation. 752 is the most stored with only 4% of the fleet in operation.


There are no stored aircraft in TPA or MIA/FLL. Those would be the aircraft that are still at a vendors awaiting to be finished. The OSV's are not receiving any new aircraft.


TPA:
0213 stored
0227 stored
0260 stored
0290 stored
0421 stored
0432 stored
0438 stored
0803 stored
0881 stored

MIA:
0449 stored
0453 stored
0817 stored
0846 stored
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 5:34 pm

The two 'her paint' 752s, are not in storage and fly out every now and then. Flew 102 or 106 MCO-IAD Apr 23rd. They have been sitting at the gate the last few days.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 7:11 pm

windy95 wrote:
ryanflyer wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
A pilot posted that the 757s are gone, anyone got any update on this?


I saw that too, and ran that by a reliable source who said that is false. No retirements have been called yet in the 757 fleet, not even the P&W birds.


The 757's have more than likely flown their last revenue flight for United. It should be just a matter of time before the official announcements for the 757/767/777 retirements.

It is way too soon to say something like that. They fly some routes in Europe that would arguably be better served with 752's than larger aircraft until demand picks up again. 321XLR's aren't here until 2025. UA is not just going to abandon all of those markets for 5 years. And, when business travel (the most profitable travel) begins to return in future months, they will want the PS flights resumed. The fleet will shrink, but I highly doubt that no 752's will return to service for UA.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 7:29 pm

I don't understand why 757s need to be back in service. AA is already retiring both 757 and 767s. I assume DL is not going to retire all of 757s, but maybe all the 300s. Demand for international flight will be down for 2 or 3 years at least. We are not that far away from XLR time. Given the cost of re-training and bring back all the 757/767 fleet and pilots, is there enough benefit to add back all that cost. I would assume that at some point, MAX 10 will be able to enter service, even if that's not 2021. Until then, you can put more 787s on these routes and operate them at lower frequency.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 7:41 pm

tphuang wrote:
I don't understand why 757s need to be back in service. AA is already retiring both 757 and 767s. I assume DL is not going to retire all of 757s, but maybe all the 300s. Demand for international flight will be down for 2 or 3 years at least. We are not that far away from XLR time. Given the cost of re-training and bring back all the 757/767 fleet and pilots, is there enough benefit to add back all that cost. I would assume that at some point, MAX 10 will be able to enter service, even if that's not 2021. Until then, you can put more 787s on these routes and operate them at lower frequency.


Training back into your old equipment is quick and doesn’t cost much. It’s a short course up until 60 months.

Also United can choose to cance displacement LS and grandfather crews back into the fleet of demand begins to return.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 8:00 pm

KVH68 wrote:
Does anyone know the progress of the new United hangar at LAX? They broke ground on March 2019, and it was supposed to be finished this year. When I look at the satellite image on Google Maps, I don't see any new construction. Here is a link with more details about the project.

https://www.lawa.org/en/lawa-our-lax/en ... aintenance


Construction of the hangar is continuing as I type this. It is slated to be completed next year, the link is a little out of date.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon May 04, 2020 8:06 pm

As long as United is charging 2 - 2.5 x that AA is charging in our market, I don't see how their traffic is going to recover anytime. Is your market area seeing the same issue? (SHV)

Also, when they chop hub-hub flying down to one flight (see DEN-IAH on May 23rd - and yes, I know it is a holiday weekend) there are so many broken connections in the system now that even if you did want to go somewhere UAL has given up on getting you there with the 2 connection strategy.

Until more states start to ease restrictions on dining/working, United is going to have very tough sledding. I wish them the best, but even more so, I wish the employees and their families that the rebound will be swift.
 
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Re: Why didn't United not paint any Domestic 763s and 772 in the Rising Blue colors

Mon May 04, 2020 8:30 pm

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Is there a reason why United's Domestic Ghetto Bird 763s and Hawaii configured 772 skipped the Rising Blue livery and were directly repainted from the Battleship Grey livery to the Continental Globe livery and only the International 763s and 772s got the Rising Blue colors?

The domestic ones were newer and didn’t need paint as soon as the other ones did. A UA employee actually posted a paint schedule before the merger on this site that listed them to be painted in 3Q 2010 but that obviously didn’t happen.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:23 am

sldispatcher wrote:
As long as United is charging 2 - 2.5 x that AA is charging in our market, I don't see how their traffic is going to recover anytime. Is your market area seeing the same issue? (SHV)

Also, when they chop hub-hub flying down to one flight (see DEN-IAH on May 23rd - and yes, I know it is a holiday weekend) there are so many broken connections in the system now that even if you did want to go somewhere UAL has given up on getting you there with the 2 connection strategy.

Until more states start to ease restrictions on dining/working, United is going to have very tough sledding. I wish them the best, but even more so, I wish the employees and their families that the rebound will be swift.


Pricing is out of the window, there is no demans... what is the difference in United not selling a seat at $500 round trip and American not selling a trip at $300?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 3:43 am

There is essentially zero price elasticity in the market today. Even Gary Kelly at Southwest says pricing does not count today so there is no reason to lower prices.

The airline pricing departments have essentially taken the month off so whatever you see out there are really place holder fares that no one really expects to sell many of.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 5:27 am

That is my point. At least it looks like American is trying to hold the DFW hub together. The IAH hub feeder spokes in June are being ripped to shreds.
Reminds me of route planning towards the end of the Delta era at DFW.

I’m hoping this next weekend will bring more states to open things up and give people confidence to book again. UAL needs all the help it can get.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 9:37 am

sldispatcher wrote:
That is my point. At least it looks like American is trying to hold the DFW hub together. The IAH hub feeder spokes in June are being ripped to shreds.
Reminds me of route planning towards the end of the Delta era at DFW.

I’m hoping this next weekend will bring more states to open things up and give people confidence to book again. UAL needs all the help it can get.

Have you looked at aa and ua cash burn rate. Aa is heading into an unavoidable chapter 11 situation.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 1:16 pm

What are the odds UA parts ways with some 787s and 77Ws? It may seem counterintuitive, but UA did shed a handful of newer 744s and 77Es during Ch 11.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 1:20 pm

intotheair wrote:
What are the odds UA parts ways with some 787s and 77Ws? It may seem counterintuitive, but UA did shed a handful of newer 744s and 77Es during Ch 11.


Those were bankruptcy-related lease rejections/returns, administered by the court, and only works if the lessor can place the aircraft elsewhere to generate a better return. Not a likely scenario now with globally depressed demand and UA (so far) out of bankruptcy.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 1:36 pm

As the country is opening up, I made a couple calls to 3 friends and a relative that are are either a 1K or GS to see what there travel plans are and found out some startling, very concerning information. Below:

United Global Service member based in Austin: Needs to go to SFO a few times in June but over all, not going to be traveling much. United has no nonstops to SFO right now loaded and he said he will probably wait til a week before to book and he said he will be flying Alaska vs United if United doesn't load and nonstops because Alaska still has a nonstop (assuming they operate it). He said it will be his first time on Alaska.

United 1K in Houston: manages a construction site in Omaha...flies back and forth every week, even during covid to manage job site. United has cancelled so many flights he hasn't even been able to connect the last several weeks, gave up on United and has been flying American through Dallas lately instead. He is very mad at United for booking flights through DEN or ORD and cancelled all their flights on several days with zero options even with long layovers to get back and forth. He said American has cancelled some flights but still seems to be operating several flights a day between Dallas and both Houston and Omaha and hasn't been an issue. He had all his flights booked for June, united just pulled their schedule to eliminate OMA-IAH for June this past weekend. Spent Sunday on phone with United arguing and cancelling the flights. Said he will be re-booking with American.

United 1K in Omaha: Needs to go to Newark mid-June to receive a high dollar international shipment. Tried to book OMA-EWR Sunday and can't even get there with a connection in Chicago. She is super mad and has been a United loyalist. I suggested to try WN, she hates WN and said she would rather drive. lol. She said she'll probably end up on either American or Delta as the trip isn't an option but has to go.

United 1K in Omaha: In financial sector and was looking to get has travel back in order for June...also said flights are so limited with only a single flight a day to ORD from Omaha in June that he can't get any roundtrips to even price out and if they do, they have a super long layover. He said he will be looking at other airlines this week. Note all said they plan on flying in July too but none will be looking to book anything for several weeks until schedules finalize.

That said, out of the 4 1k/GS friends I spoke to Sunday night and last night, really none are booking United and all 4 are going to be traveling in June. Seems like most are waiting til last few weeks to book to make sure schedules are finalized as stuff has changed so much but if there is nothing to book, will need to book with other airlines.

My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.

If United doesn't add flights for June or start flying a reasonable schedule that allows for connections, other airlines will gain big time over United. and United loads will stay anemic.

As a side note, I'm a United Platinum, Iowa based, I don't know when I will fly next. Probably late June or July but won't be booking anytime soon.

Thoughts?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:03 pm

joeljack wrote:
As the country is opening up, I made a couple calls to 3 friends and a relative that are are either a 1K or GS to see what there travel plans are and found out some startling, very concerning information. Below:

United Global Service member based in Austin: Needs to go to SFO a few times in June but over all, not going to be traveling much. United has no nonstops to SFO right now loaded and he said he will probably wait til a week before to book and he said he will be flying Alaska vs United if United doesn't load and nonstops because Alaska still has a nonstop (assuming they operate it). He said it will be his first time on Alaska.

United 1K in Houston: manages a construction site in Omaha...flies back and forth every week, even during covid to manage job site. United has cancelled so many flights he hasn't even been able to connect the last several weeks, gave up on United and has been flying American through Dallas lately instead. He is very mad at United for booking flights through DEN or ORD and cancelled all their flights on several days with zero options even with long layovers to get back and forth. He said American has cancelled some flights but still seems to be operating several flights a day between Dallas and both Houston and Omaha and hasn't been an issue. He had all his flights booked for June, united just pulled their schedule to eliminate OMA-IAH for June this past weekend. Spent Sunday on phone with United arguing and cancelling the flights. Said he will be re-booking with American.

United 1K in Omaha: Needs to go to Newark mid-June to receive a high dollar international shipment. Tried to book OMA-EWR Sunday and can't even get there with a connection in Chicago. She is super mad and has been a United loyalist. I suggested to try WN, she hates WN and said she would rather drive. lol. She said she'll probably end up on either American or Delta as the trip isn't an option but has to go.

United 1K in Omaha: In financial sector and was looking to get has travel back in order for June...also said flights are so limited with only a single flight a day to ORD from Omaha in June that he can't get any roundtrips to even price out and if they do, they have a super long layover. He said he will be looking at other airlines this week. Note all said they plan on flying in July too but none will be looking to book anything for several weeks until schedules finalize.

That said, out of the 4 1k/GS friends I spoke to Sunday night and last night, really none are booking United and all 4 are going to be traveling in June. Seems like most are waiting til last few weeks to book to make sure schedules are finalized as stuff has changed so much but if there is nothing to book, will need to book with other airlines.

My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.

If United doesn't add flights for June or start flying a reasonable schedule that allows for connections, other airlines will gain big time over United. and United loads will stay anemic.

As a side note, I'm a United Platinum, Iowa based, I don't know when I will fly next. Probably late June or July but won't be booking anytime soon.

Thoughts?


Well I can’t really say much for the first two, though Alaska has only been operating a handful (~15) daily flights at SFO, so I seriously doubt they’ll be offering a nonstop to AUS in June. The two in OMA are full of it though.

United just redesigned their schedule in May to improve connections and will be implementing similar changes for June either this weekend or next. Most of the hubs ran roughly a 30% seat factor yesterday with this new schedule so I’m not sure why everyone is so down on the United schedule.

There are currently two daily flights OMA-ORD and OMA-DEN, both of which line up with the “mega banks” that have been built in each hub, and both of which offer 45-60 minute connections to anywhere they want to go.

For example, OMA-EWR via ORD:

OMA 0630 ORD 0811
ORD 0920 EWR 1224

OMA 1515 ORD 1658
ORD 1745 EWR 2055

Even your friend who wants to go IAH-OMA should not have much longer than a 1 hour layover in ORD or DEN, though he’s right that it’s a bit out of the way versus going through DFW.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:14 pm

UALifer wrote:
Well I can’t really say much for the first two, though Alaska has only been operating a handful (~15) daily flights at SFO, so I seriously doubt they’ll be offering a nonstop to AUS in June. The two in OMA are full of it though..


The AS schedule for June is very likely the schedule you're seeing now for May...1x daily SFO-AUS. I don't believe AS is going to be cutting any more than they already have. That said, who knows what tomorrow holds.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:18 pm

joeljack wrote:
As the country is opening up, I made a couple calls to 3 friends and a relative that are are either a 1K or GS to see what there travel plans are and found out some startling, very concerning information. Below:

United Global Service member based in Austin: Needs to go to SFO a few times in June but over all, not going to be traveling much. United has no nonstops to SFO right now loaded and he said he will probably wait til a week before to book and he said he will be flying Alaska vs United if United doesn't load and nonstops because Alaska still has a nonstop (assuming they operate it). He said it will be his first time on Alaska.

United 1K in Houston: manages a construction site in Omaha...flies back and forth every week, even during covid to manage job site. United has cancelled so many flights he hasn't even been able to connect the last several weeks, gave up on United and has been flying American through Dallas lately instead. He is very mad at United for booking flights through DEN or ORD and cancelled all their flights on several days with zero options even with long layovers to get back and forth. He said American has cancelled some flights but still seems to be operating several flights a day between Dallas and both Houston and Omaha and hasn't been an issue. He had all his flights booked for June, united just pulled their schedule to eliminate OMA-IAH for June this past weekend. Spent Sunday on phone with United arguing and cancelling the flights. Said he will be re-booking with American.

United 1K in Omaha: Needs to go to Newark mid-June to receive a high dollar international shipment. Tried to book OMA-EWR Sunday and can't even get there with a connection in Chicago. She is super mad and has been a United loyalist. I suggested to try WN, she hates WN and said she would rather drive. lol. She said she'll probably end up on either American or Delta as the trip isn't an option but has to go.

United 1K in Omaha: In financial sector and was looking to get has travel back in order for June...also said flights are so limited with only a single flight a day to ORD from Omaha in June that he can't get any roundtrips to even price out and if they do, they have a super long layover. He said he will be looking at other airlines this week. Note all said they plan on flying in July too but none will be looking to book anything for several weeks until schedules finalize.

That said, out of the 4 1k/GS friends I spoke to Sunday night and last night, really none are booking United and all 4 are going to be traveling in June. Seems like most are waiting til last few weeks to book to make sure schedules are finalized as stuff has changed so much but if there is nothing to book, will need to book with other airlines.

My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.

If United doesn't add flights for June or start flying a reasonable schedule that allows for connections, other airlines will gain big time over United. and United loads will stay anemic.

As a side note, I'm a United Platinum, Iowa based, I don't know when I will fly next. Probably late June or July but won't be booking anytime soon.

Thoughts?


Anecdotal of course, but from my few travel experiences in the past 2 months or so and the folks I’ve talked to, the problem seems to be the regional flights, which would probably make sense for your OMA friends.

At first mainline was doing a ton of close in cancels as well, but they’ve finally reduced schedules enough that they largely seem to operate everything. Can’t say the same for my regional flights over the past few months.

Looking at FlightAware today, all 4 of the big guys are at or below 1% cancelations, while Envoy sits at 14%, SkyWest at 10%, Endeavor at 11%, etc.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:26 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
UALifer wrote:
Well I can’t really say much for the first two, though Alaska has only been operating a handful (~15) daily flights at SFO, so I seriously doubt they’ll be offering a nonstop to AUS in June. The two in OMA are full of it though..


The AS schedule for June is very likely the schedule you're seeing now for May...1x daily SFO-AUS. I don't believe AS is going to be cutting any more than they already have. That said, who knows what tomorrow holds.


His friend might want to give himself an extra day when traveling.

The AS flight leaves at 1600 and has been canceling roughly a third of the time. He does have a couple of reroute options UA via IAH and AA via DFW but leaving that late in the day seriously limits your options.

Everyone needs to be a little more flexible right now....even GS and 1K members....as none of the airlines are capable of flying a full schedule right now. I'm sure UA will add SFO-AUS back as soon as they can.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:29 pm

hiflyeras wrote:
UALifer wrote:
Well I can’t really say much for the first two, though Alaska has only been operating a handful (~15) daily flights at SFO, so I seriously doubt they’ll be offering a nonstop to AUS in June. The two in OMA are full of it though..


The AS schedule for June is very likely the schedule you're seeing now for May...1x daily SFO-AUS. I don't believe AS is going to be cutting any more than they already have. That said, who knows what tomorrow holds.


Fair enough, I didn’t actually check where those 15 daily flights were going. I suppose if you have to serve AUS from somewhere, SFO is closer than SEA. It does look they’ve cancelled it fairly often though, at least recently.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 2:34 pm

joeljack wrote:
As the country is opening up, I made a couple calls to 3 friends and a relative that are are either a 1K or GS to see what there travel plans are and found out some startling, very concerning information. Below:

United Global Service member based in Austin: Needs to go to SFO a few times in June but over all, not going to be traveling much. United has no nonstops to SFO right now loaded and he said he will probably wait til a week before to book and he said he will be flying Alaska vs United if United doesn't load and nonstops because Alaska still has a nonstop (assuming they operate it). He said it will be his first time on Alaska.

United 1K in Houston: manages a construction site in Omaha...flies back and forth every week, even during covid to manage job site. United has cancelled so many flights he hasn't even been able to connect the last several weeks, gave up on United and has been flying American through Dallas lately instead. He is very mad at United for booking flights through DEN or ORD and cancelled all their flights on several days with zero options even with long layovers to get back and forth. He said American has cancelled some flights but still seems to be operating several flights a day between Dallas and both Houston and Omaha and hasn't been an issue. He had all his flights booked for June, united just pulled their schedule to eliminate OMA-IAH for June this past weekend. Spent Sunday on phone with United arguing and cancelling the flights. Said he will be re-booking with American.

United 1K in Omaha: Needs to go to Newark mid-June to receive a high dollar international shipment. Tried to book OMA-EWR Sunday and can't even get there with a connection in Chicago. She is super mad and has been a United loyalist. I suggested to try WN, she hates WN and said she would rather drive. lol. She said she'll probably end up on either American or Delta as the trip isn't an option but has to go.

United 1K in Omaha: In financial sector and was looking to get has travel back in order for June...also said flights are so limited with only a single flight a day to ORD from Omaha in June that he can't get any roundtrips to even price out and if they do, they have a super long layover. He said he will be looking at other airlines this week. Note all said they plan on flying in July too but none will be looking to book anything for several weeks until schedules finalize.

That said, out of the 4 1k/GS friends I spoke to Sunday night and last night, really none are booking United and all 4 are going to be traveling in June. Seems like most are waiting til last few weeks to book to make sure schedules are finalized as stuff has changed so much but if there is nothing to book, will need to book with other airlines.

My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.

If United doesn't add flights for June or start flying a reasonable schedule that allows for connections, other airlines will gain big time over United. and United loads will stay anemic.

As a side note, I'm a United Platinum, Iowa based, I don't know when I will fly next. Probably late June or July but won't be booking anytime soon.

Thoughts?


My thoughts are that all of these people need to radically lower their expectations, and none of this is a problem specific to United.

Like, a person in financial services living in Omaha needs to travel in the middle of a pandemic? Why? And then they complain about a super long layover? Come on.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 3:27 pm

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As the country is opening up, I made a couple calls to 3 friends and a relative that are are either a 1K or GS to see what there travel plans are and found out some startling, very concerning information. Below:

United Global Service member based in Austin: Needs to go to SFO a few times in June but over all, not going to be traveling much. United has no nonstops to SFO right now loaded and he said he will probably wait til a week before to book and he said he will be flying Alaska vs United if United doesn't load and nonstops because Alaska still has a nonstop (assuming they operate it). He said it will be his first time on Alaska.

United 1K in Houston: manages a construction site in Omaha...flies back and forth every week, even during covid to manage job site. United has cancelled so many flights he hasn't even been able to connect the last several weeks, gave up on United and has been flying American through Dallas lately instead. He is very mad at United for booking flights through DEN or ORD and cancelled all their flights on several days with zero options even with long layovers to get back and forth. He said American has cancelled some flights but still seems to be operating several flights a day between Dallas and both Houston and Omaha and hasn't been an issue. He had all his flights booked for June, united just pulled their schedule to eliminate OMA-IAH for June this past weekend. Spent Sunday on phone with United arguing and cancelling the flights. Said he will be re-booking with American.

United 1K in Omaha: Needs to go to Newark mid-June to receive a high dollar international shipment. Tried to book OMA-EWR Sunday and can't even get there with a connection in Chicago. She is super mad and has been a United loyalist. I suggested to try WN, she hates WN and said she would rather drive. lol. She said she'll probably end up on either American or Delta as the trip isn't an option but has to go.

United 1K in Omaha: In financial sector and was looking to get has travel back in order for June...also said flights are so limited with only a single flight a day to ORD from Omaha in June that he can't get any roundtrips to even price out and if they do, they have a super long layover. He said he will be looking at other airlines this week. Note all said they plan on flying in July too but none will be looking to book anything for several weeks until schedules finalize.

That said, out of the 4 1k/GS friends I spoke to Sunday night and last night, really none are booking United and all 4 are going to be traveling in June. Seems like most are waiting til last few weeks to book to make sure schedules are finalized as stuff has changed so much but if there is nothing to book, will need to book with other airlines.

My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.

If United doesn't add flights for June or start flying a reasonable schedule that allows for connections, other airlines will gain big time over United. and United loads will stay anemic.

As a side note, I'm a United Platinum, Iowa based, I don't know when I will fly next. Probably late June or July but won't be booking anytime soon.

Thoughts?


Your friends need to see the forest trough the trees. The country has been shuttered for a month what the hell do they expect?

I can tell you Kirby does not and will not lose the business traveler. You can’t be everything to everyone all the time. For all of your united friends stories their are the same stories about DL and AA, some of their pax will come to UA because of convienience. When travel comes back things will slowly right themselves.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 3:27 pm

joeljack wrote:
My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.


The entire industry is retrenched. There may be hub closures, and certainly large network adjustments that will force huge number of so called "high dollar" elites and corporate travel departments to look elsewhere from their historic airlines of choice.

Nothing against the customer in Omaha, but these airlines are going to be in survival mode and will need to worry more about what happens in key markets like NYC, LA, Chicago etc first.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 3:33 pm

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My thoughts are that all of these people need to radically lower their expectations, and none of this is a problem specific to United.

Like, a person in financial services living in Omaha needs to travel in the middle of a pandemic? Why? And then they complain about a super long layover? Come on.


This was going to be a problem from the beginning. If the airlines reduce the number of flights to meet demand, the demand might fall off because of a lack of reasonable options. It becomes an endless circle. In some markets, the airline that blinks first might end up on the short end of the recovery.

It's obvious that the smallest-capacity plane is the most efficient way to go in the short-term for many markets. I just hope the carriers have enough flexibility with labor groups to do whatever is necessary to put the people and resources where they're needed and sideline the resources that aren't.

A business person in Omaha has just as much necessity to travel as a business person in a larger city. This virus isn't stopping most people from continuing to work and pay for the people that can't.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 4:21 pm

blockski wrote:

My thoughts are that all of these people need to radically lower their expectations, and none of this is a problem specific to United.

Like, a person in financial services living in Omaha needs to travel in the middle of a pandemic? Why? And then they complain about a super long layover? Come on.


I completely agree that people need to lower and manage their expectations. I'm a multi-year 1K and work in a consulting role for a number of global companies and while traveling and working in person would make life easier in many ways, especially in managing employees I've been able to tackle 85% of what I need to remotely with Zoom, WebEx, etc.

If you're managing restructuring, financing for distressed companies, or have questions regarding the ethics of members of senior management at a company and need to be on the ground to see things firsthand, I can see the need to travel and the frustrations of not being able to get there especially when you have deals worth billions on the line. That said, if its that critical and worth that much probably worth looking into NetJets or something similar though I am not sure to what extent they are flying right now. One person mentioned accepting the physical delivery of a high value shipment, valid frustration but hopefully they move on quickly.

For the rest of us, we just need to accept that the pace of things will be slower due to less efficient travel options. Hopefully with a May schedule purpose built for the COVID environment, the number of cancellations goes down and confidence in the schedule goes up.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 6:00 pm

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What are the odds UA parts ways with some 787s and 77Ws? It may seem counterintuitive, but UA did shed a handful of newer 744s and 77Es during Ch 11.

They had 44 744s at the time which was too many.

The eight 777s they lost and the two 763s was due to the leasing company not renegotiating a new deal. They did not want to get rid of any.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 9:01 pm

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What are the odds UA parts ways with some 787s and 77Ws? It may seem counterintuitive, but UA did shed a handful of newer 744s and 77Es during Ch 11.


United did not willingly give up those newer 744s and 77Es that we lost during bankruptcy. As others have pointed out the leasing companies did not want to renegotiate with UA which left UA will little choice. Also if I'm not mistaken all the 744s and 77Es UA rejected during bankruptcy found new homes fairly quickly at other airlines.

If we look at the market today all airlines are hurting and to be honest we have no idea how many will survive globally and how much used inventory will be on the market as airlines worldwide downsize their fleet. There may be more of an incentive today for leasing companies to work with airlines to keep aircraft in their fleet to keep revenue coming in. In this environment if the used market becomes saturated with frames that does not benefit the leasing company it benefits the airlines. An aircraft sitting on the ground is not making money, it doesn't matter if the owner is an airline or a leasing company.

I think one of the best examples of this are the SQ A380s that were returned to their lessor after just 10 years of service. It was cheaper for the leasing company to scrap these frames than continue to pay to maintain the aircraft while looking for an airline willing to take them.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 05, 2020 9:41 pm

United applied with DOT for authority to restart HKG-SIN service.

Carrier says it seeks to operate daily 77W service to carry cargo effective May 10th.

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Tue May 05, 2020 9:55 pm

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United applied with DOT for authority to restart HKG-SIN service.

Carrier says it seeks to operate daily 77W service to carry cargo effective May 10th.

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They plan to add pax to those flights in the future. Sounds like the end for SFO - SIN for a little bit.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 10:16 pm

I do wonder if there will be a few new market opportunities for United because of the bankruptcy and end of some airlines. EWR-JNB and IAD-ACC(-JNB) come to mind immediately because of the collapse of South African, for example.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 10:31 pm

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intotheair wrote:
What are the odds UA parts ways with some 787s and 77Ws? It may seem counterintuitive, but UA did shed a handful of newer 744s and 77Es during Ch 11.


United did not willingly give up those newer 744s and 77Es that we lost during bankruptcy. As others have pointed out the leasing companies did not want to renegotiate with UA which left UA will little choice. Also if I'm not mistaken all the 744s and 77Es UA rejected during bankruptcy found new homes fairly quickly at other airlines.

If we look at the market today all airlines are hurting and to be honest we have no idea how many will survive globally and how much used inventory will be on the market as airlines worldwide downsize their fleet. There may be more of an incentive today for leasing companies to work with airlines to keep aircraft in their fleet to keep revenue coming in. In this environment if the used market becomes saturated with frames that does not benefit the leasing company it benefits the airlines. An aircraft sitting on the ground is not making money, it doesn't matter if the owner is an airline or a leasing company.

I think one of the best examples of this are the SQ A380s that were returned to their lessor after just 10 years of service. It was cheaper for the leasing company to scrap these frames than continue to pay to maintain the aircraft while looking for an airline willing to take them.

All eight 777s and 14 747s found new homes, The 777s went to a mix of Varig, Air India, Transaero, and Omni. None are flying today. The 747s went to Corsair, and various others with a few winding up in Iran, probably through illegal means. The UAE government has two of them in VIP config.

Of the remaining 30, only 1 of the 6 retired during the 2008-2009 downturn found another home, going to Orient Thai and eventually scrapped.

Only one so far of the ones retired in 2017 has found a new home. I think only a few are left in VCV in flyable condition with the rest derelict.
 
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Tue May 05, 2020 11:04 pm

CriticalPoint “What you will see is massive amounts of 787 FOs in LAX go to SFO and the company will accept them. They will accept the pilots that bid into the 756.....etc. United will furlough on OCT 1st but how many isn’t yet clear but it will certainly not be 4000-5000.”

United is going to start this drawdown with the 5000 displacements and a 30% size reduction; unless things change significantly by September not only will they furlough all 5000 initially but will probably displace more. Pre merger United’s philosophy was to shrink to profitability. That didn’t work but based on the millions of dollars wasted on buying a flight school, uniform debacles and a massive HR increase over the past few years, this is always the solution when managed by a committee instead of a singular airline guru like Bethune, Anderson or Carty.
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Tue May 05, 2020 11:06 pm

Traditionally UA & DL are the most unique launcher of routes. Delta into Africa and UA into Asia. I agree if SAA goes down then UA should launch EWR-JNB in addition to EWR-CPT. I also seriously hope that DL launches SEA-SIN/MNL.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 2:04 am

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Traditionally UA & DL are the most unique launcher of routes. Delta into Africa and UA into Asia. I agree if SAA goes down then UA should launch EWR-JNB in addition to EWR-CPT. I also seriously hope that DL launches SEA-SIN/MNL.


The only hiccup with EWR-JNB would be what restrictions might exist using a 787 out of JNB nonstop because it is hot and high (there may or may not be restrictions). UA may opt to do a EWR-JNB-CPT-EWR routing in order to be able to haul a full belly of cargo back to the US. DL uses the 77L on ATL-JNB which was somewhat purpose built for the route.

As for ACC, there were rumors to the extent that it was a significantly more profitable 5th Freedom flight than IAD-DKR/DSS and IAD-ACC had only recently gone daily on SAA. Something to keep an eye on in the medium to long term-I think we'll see DL pick up the slack on JFK-ACC first, though.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 3:39 am

Due to high and hot, isn't tire speed the issue with JNB departures? I wonder how the 789 does vs. the 77L in this factor?
I wonder if LH pullback will put more UA metal on FRA and MUC flights? Maybe when things come back, there would be an opportunity to add more Germany smaller markets from EWR, especially with the 321XLR.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 4:37 am

I'd love to see UA do routes like that, but at this point, I think UA needs to focus on keeping as much as what it already has been flying. They're not predicting to get back to 2019 levels for another 2-3 years, which, 2019 was a great year, but in the meantime, I think UA and all the airlines are going to shrink by quite a bit, unfortunately. Destinations like South Africa are probably going to be on the backburner for a while, even with the impending collapse of SAA taken into consideration.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 5:12 am

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joeljack wrote:
As the country is opening up, I made a couple calls to 3 friends and a relative that are are either a 1K or GS to see what there travel plans are and found out some startling, very concerning information. Below:

United Global Service member based in Austin: Needs to go to SFO a few times in June but over all, not going to be traveling much. United has no nonstops to SFO right now loaded and he said he will probably wait til a week before to book and he said he will be flying Alaska vs United if United doesn't load and nonstops because Alaska still has a nonstop (assuming they operate it). He said it will be his first time on Alaska.

United 1K in Houston: manages a construction site in Omaha...flies back and forth every week, even during covid to manage job site. United has cancelled so many flights he hasn't even been able to connect the last several weeks, gave up on United and has been flying American through Dallas lately instead. He is very mad at United for booking flights through DEN or ORD and cancelled all their flights on several days with zero options even with long layovers to get back and forth. He said American has cancelled some flights but still seems to be operating several flights a day between Dallas and both Houston and Omaha and hasn't been an issue. He had all his flights booked for June, united just pulled their schedule to eliminate OMA-IAH for June this past weekend. Spent Sunday on phone with United arguing and cancelling the flights. Said he will be re-booking with American.

United 1K in Omaha: Needs to go to Newark mid-June to receive a high dollar international shipment. Tried to book OMA-EWR Sunday and can't even get there with a connection in Chicago. She is super mad and has been a United loyalist. I suggested to try WN, she hates WN and said she would rather drive. lol. She said she'll probably end up on either American or Delta as the trip isn't an option but has to go.

United 1K in Omaha: In financial sector and was looking to get has travel back in order for June...also said flights are so limited with only a single flight a day to ORD from Omaha in June that he can't get any roundtrips to even price out and if they do, they have a super long layover. He said he will be looking at other airlines this week. Note all said they plan on flying in July too but none will be looking to book anything for several weeks until schedules finalize.

That said, out of the 4 1k/GS friends I spoke to Sunday night and last night, really none are booking United and all 4 are going to be traveling in June. Seems like most are waiting til last few weeks to book to make sure schedules are finalized as stuff has changed so much but if there is nothing to book, will need to book with other airlines.

My personal opinion after hearing this, United needs to be very careful not to lose too many high dollar elites. For example, after some searching, they are only flying 1 OMA-ORD in June and it doesn't even operate ever day. ORD-EWR is only 2x daily. You really can't run an airline with a schedule like that. I'd say at a minimum, you need 2x daily OMA-ORD and 5x daily ORD-EWR (hub to hub). Also, should probably be flying 1x daily OMA-IAH on a 50-seater.

If United doesn't add flights for June or start flying a reasonable schedule that allows for connections, other airlines will gain big time over United. and United loads will stay anemic.

As a side note, I'm a United Platinum, Iowa based, I don't know when I will fly next. Probably late June or July but won't be booking anytime soon.

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Well I can’t really say much for the first two, though Alaska has only been operating a handful (~15) daily flights at SFO, so I seriously doubt they’ll be offering a nonstop to AUS in June. The two in OMA are full of it though.

United just redesigned their schedule in May to improve connections and will be implementing similar changes for June either this weekend or next. Most of the hubs ran roughly a 30% seat factor yesterday with this new schedule so I’m not sure why everyone is so down on the United schedule.

There are currently two daily flights OMA-ORD and OMA-DEN, both of which line up with the “mega banks” that have been built in each hub, and both of which offer 45-60 minute connections to anywhere they want to go.

For example, OMA-EWR via ORD:

OMA 0630 ORD 0811
ORD 0920 EWR 1224

OMA 1515 ORD 1658
ORD 1745 EWR 2055

Even your friend who wants to go IAH-OMA should not have much longer than a 1 hour layover in ORD or DEN, though he’s right that it’s a bit out of the way versus going through DFW.


Its all a matter of waiting it out. When the smoke clears, I cannot imagine that OMA-IAH wont come back. It wouldnt make since for UA not to fly it even in the new normal.
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:42 pm

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They plan to add pax to those flights in the future. Sounds like the end for SFO - SIN for a little bit.


How does applying to operate a cargo tag-on flight have anything to do with U's currently suspended nonstop SFO-SIN-SFO passenger service?

Most of our cargo charters out of Asia are operating with a stop in NRT. How is for example SFO-HKG-SIN cargo flight any different from cargo flight operating SFO-NRT-PVG?

United is in the final stages of getting FAA approval to load cargo in the cabins on our 789s and 77Ws but even if with approval and if we were to load cargo in the cabin operating a nonstop cargo flight SFO-SIN-SFO is a nonstarter even with the higher shipping rates. Applying for the tag-on is a regulatory procedure required even for cargo flights which has nothing to do with UA1/UA2 or UA28/UA29.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 1:57 pm

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Nicknuzzii wrote:

They plan to add pax to those flights in the future. Sounds like the end for SFO - SIN for a little bit.


How does applying to operate a cargo tag-on flight have anything to do with U's currently suspended nonstop SFO-SIN-SFO passenger service?

Most of our cargo charters out of Asia are operating with a stop in NRT. How is for example SFO-HKG-SIN cargo flight any different from cargo flight operating SFO-NRT-PVG?

United is in the final stages of getting FAA approval to load cargo in the cabins on our 789s and 77Ws but even if with approval and if we were to load cargo in the cabin operating a nonstop cargo flight SFO-SIN-SFO is a nonstarter even with the higher shipping rates. Applying for the tag-on is a regulatory procedure required even for cargo flights which has nothing to do with UA1/UA2 or UA28/UA29.


In their application it states that they intend to carry pax on the route in the future.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 1:58 pm

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United is going to start this drawdown with the 5000 displacements and a 30% size reduction; unless things change significantly by September not only will they furlough all 5000 initially but will probably displace more.

From a UAL fleet perspective, furloughing 5000 pilots on Oct 1 directly translates to parking the entire narrow body fleet on Oct 1.

The narrowbody fleets will not be staffed with pilots to fly them given the parameters of the current displacement and any UAL pilot with access to the displacement can see exactly the seniority numbers associated with it. Simply put, 5000 furloughs on Oct 1 not only wipes out all the first officers on aircraft that require two pilots but also the majority of pilot instructors in UAL's Denver training center which only further cripples UAL's ability to re-train pilots for further movement.

If UAL intends to furlough 5000 pilots on Oct 1 they put out the wrong displacement.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 2:49 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:

They plan to add pax to those flights in the future. Sounds like the end for SFO - SIN for a little bit.


How does applying to operate a cargo tag-on flight have anything to do with U's currently suspended nonstop SFO-SIN-SFO passenger service?

Most of our cargo charters out of Asia are operating with a stop in NRT. How is for example SFO-HKG-SIN cargo flight any different from cargo flight operating SFO-NRT-PVG?

United is in the final stages of getting FAA approval to load cargo in the cabins on our 789s and 77Ws but even if with approval and if we were to load cargo in the cabin operating a nonstop cargo flight SFO-SIN-SFO is a nonstarter even with the higher shipping rates. Applying for the tag-on is a regulatory procedure required even for cargo flights which has nothing to do with UA1/UA2 or UA28/UA29.


In their application it states that they intend to carry pax on the route in the future.


errrrm maybe...

"United applies, pursuant to Subpart C of 14 C.F.R. Part 302 of the Department’s Rules of Practice and the October 19, 2002, Memorandum of Understanding between the United States and Hong Kong (“U.S. – Hong Kong MOU”), for allocation of seven weekly Fifth Freedom combination frequencies to permit United to provide foreign air transportation of persons, property and mail between Hong Kong and Singapore. United first plans to launch cargo-only service starting on May 10, 2020, using B777-300 aircraft from its existing fleet, provided all necessary approvals have been secured."

You can imply that but it doesn't explicitly say that. UA certainly has the option to with their application but both HKG and SIN should be able to support non-stops from SFO once travel resumes.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 3:02 pm

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United is in the final stages of getting FAA approval to load cargo in the cabins on our 789s and 77Ws but even if with approval and if we were to load cargo in the cabin operating a nonstop cargo flight SFO-SIN-SFO is a nonstarter even with the higher shipping rates. Applying for the tag-on is a regulatory procedure required even for cargo flights which has nothing to do with UA1/UA2 or UA28/UA29.


Already received. There is a bulletin out about main cabin loading and approved storage locations

Nicknuzzii wrote:
In their application it states that they intend to carry pax on the route in the future.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 3:09 pm

UA published their May schedule on the UA Cargo site...all the flights listed carry passengers not just cargo. The cargo only flights are not listed on the pdf's.

Widebody

https://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?f ... -05-04.pdf

Narrowbody

https://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?f ... -05-04.pdf

UAX

https://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?f ... -05-04.pdf
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Wed May 06, 2020 6:30 pm

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UA published their May schedule on the UA Cargo site...all the flights listed carry passengers not just cargo. The cargo only flights are not listed on the pdf's.
Narrowbody

https://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?f ... -05-04.pdf

Fascinating to see that aside from 3 flights, DEN is entirely 319 - unless it's just a placeholder equipment code and they're subbing in 320s as needed/desired.
 
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Wed May 06, 2020 6:44 pm

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UA published their May schedule on the UA Cargo site...all the flights listed carry passengers not just cargo. The cargo only flights are not listed on the pdf's.
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https://www.unitedcargo.com/ShowFiles?f ... -05-04.pdf

Fascinating to see that aside from 3 flights, DEN is entirely 319 - unless it's just a placeholder equipment code and they're subbing in 320s as needed/desired.


Those are just placeholders just like the listed 738 flights are a mix of 737-7/8/9s. It's the same on the widebody pdf the 787s are a mix of 78X and 789 aircraft and the 777s are 772HDs.

There are more A32S flying than 737s though.

Looks like the 788s are flying as well...seeing them on ORD-SFO/LAX/EWR, DEN-LAX and IAH-SFO. There is another one flying IAD-NRT...is that one heading in for Polaris mods?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 7:48 pm

I see that 788 and its doing a RT IAD-NRT-PEK-NRT-IAD. Seems kind of odd as the 788 has 25% less cargo space than the 789.
UA is moving to smaller units domestically. I see this percentage in service (flying today or scheduled tomorrow)

Narrowbodies (overall 13.8% in service, 370 of 572 [64.6%] stored or parked more than 14 days)
319, 39.2%
73G 30%
320 22.7%
738 9.2%
753 4.8%
739 1.4%
752 0%

Widebodies (overall 26.8% in service, 125 of 205 [61%] stored or parked more than 14 days)
763, 764, 772ER/PW, 772ER/GE all parked/stored
78X 76.9%
789 76.7%
77W 72.7%
788 25%
772Domestic 13% (includes 4ERs sked for Domestic config.)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 06, 2020 7:55 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
I see that 788 and its doing a RT IAD-NRT-PEK-NRT-IAD. Seems kind of odd as the 788 has 25% less cargo space than the 789.
UA is moving to smaller units domestically. I see this percentage in service (flying today or scheduled tomorrow)

Narrowbodies (overall 13.8% in service, 370 of 572 [64.6%] stored or parked more than 14 days)
319, 39.2%
73G 30%
320 22.7%
738 9.2%
753 4.8%
739 1.4%
752 0%

Widebodies (overall 26.8% in service, 125 of 205 [61%] stored or parked more than 14 days)
763, 764, 772ER/PW, 772ER/GE all parked/stored
78X 76.9%
789 76.7%
77W 72.7%
788 25%
772Domestic 13% (includes 4ERs sked for Domestic config.)


This wasn't on the schedules from UA but there are a couple of 77U/Ns at least scheduled to do IAD-SJU round trips. Assuming those are cargo only flights...I don't think there are any passenger flights right now on those aircraft.
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