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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 6:07 pm

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STT757 wrote:
UA, and before them CO, and WN have had a somewhat complimentary relationship.

In Denver UA and WN seem to co-exist very well, UA stated it had become it's most profitable hub even in the face of WN's exponential growth.

WN and UA co-exist in Chicago, Denver, Oakland/ San Francisco, Houston and Baltimore/Washington. I would look for WN to grow in LGA.


"Co-exist" is a very kind way of saying "fierce competitors."


By my count Southwest serves 90 stations in the 50 U.S. states while United serves 238. So yes Southwest and United compete head-to-head getting folks between Denver and Los Angles or between Chicago and Houston. But there's a lot of places they don't compete:

  • Anybody trying to travel to/from small/medium-sized cities in the U.S. doesn't have Southwest as an option
  • Anybody who's interested in status on an airline who ever needs to visit a small/medium-sized city is going to have to think hard about flying Southwest in markets Southwest does serve
  • Southwest isn't competing for passengers who care about premium cabins, lounges, or things like that
  • Southwest isn't a threat when it comes to anybody flying to international destinations that aren't resort Caribbean or Latin America destinations

Even though Southwest is the largest U.S. airline by domestic passengers transported, there are massive swaths of the market they don't compete for at all. American and Delta, however, are fighting over all of those market segments.

In the Kirby era, we've seen all sorts of small-market stations added, all of which Southwest doesn't serve, many of which American and Delta don't serve, which I assume is an effort to insulate United against competition and bolster the value proposition of "United should be your airline of choice because it can get you anywhere better than anyone else can."

Is Southwest a competitor? Absolutely. Is it the most direct competitor? No.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 22, 2020 9:11 pm

Due to UA's perceived narrowbody shortage relative to its peers... which airline would UA likely attempt to acquire/merge to remedy the lack of narrowbody frames? Perhaps NK? In the process eliminating an annoying industry competitor while acquiring their new aircraft and order book?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 12:52 am

dca1 wrote:
Due to UA's perceived narrowbody shortage relative to its peers... which airline would UA likely attempt to acquire/merge to remedy the lack of narrowbody frames? Perhaps NK? In the process eliminating an annoying industry competitor while acquiring their new aircraft and order book?


Unions have made mergers cost prohibitive and messy. When the MAX issues get solved, UA will have plenty of narrowbody planes to fill any gaps they might have in addition to the used A/C they're getting from China Eastern and Southwest. They supposedly also have picked up canceled MAX deliveries slots from other carriers so theoretically, they could acquire new planes much faster than TK (training center) can pump out new pilots.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 1:34 pm

789 New Delivery:
N29975 sked first revenue flight 1144/23May after extensive wing damage repair at ORD during new delivery Induction.
Aircraft was first delivered with Polaris/PP installed. Currently 5 in service delivered with Polaris plus 2 with completed Polaris mod.

United continues to add some flights and upgrade some flights with larger aircraft. Currently there are about 175 units flying today.
70 are Widebodies, Most 788s, 789, 78X and 77W units flying cargo. Plus a two 763s and five 772A/PW
108 Narrowbodies flying today: 319 28, 320 25, 73G 9, 738 25, 739 16, 752 0, 753 5. A few days ago there were very few 739s and 753s.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 2:28 pm

Not sure if this is true or not but hearing that quite a few aircraft are going to be coming back into service. I believe around 50 737-900ers along with multiple other fleets to a lesser extent.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 8:35 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
789 New Delivery:
N29975 sked first revenue flight 1144/23May after extensive wing damage repair at ORD during new delivery Induction.
Aircraft was first delivered with Polaris/PP installed. Currently 5 in service delivered with Polaris plus 2 with completed Polaris mod.


Note that four additional 789s were delivered and flying while 0975 was being repaired.. :gasp:
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 23, 2020 9:40 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
789 New Delivery:
N29975 sked first revenue flight 1144/23May after extensive wing damage repair at ORD during new delivery Induction.
Aircraft was first delivered with Polaris/PP installed. Currently 5 in service delivered with Polaris plus 2 with completed Polaris mod.

United continues to add some flights and upgrade some flights with larger aircraft. Currently there are about 175 units flying today.
70 are Widebodies, Most 788s, 789, 78X and 77W units flying cargo. Plus a two 763s and five 772A/PW
108 Narrowbodies flying today: 319 28, 320 25, 73G 9, 738 25, 739 16, 752 0, 753 5. A few days ago there were very few 739s and 753s.


I just landed in IAD on 0975. Unsurprisingly it looks and smells immaculate inside. Here’s a pic of the #1 side wing:

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 5:54 am

Looks like Boeing did a good job buffing out the dents. :bigthumbsup: ... I have doubts about this sort of damage being covered under the warrantee though...
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 7:15 am

UAX Update:

E175SC:
N609UX entered service with Skywest
N617UX entered service with Skywest
N604UX entered service with Skywest
N618UX entered service with Skywest
These frames ferried BOI for Skywest induction: 605, 612, 613

CR2:
N463AW back in service
N466AW back in service
N939SW parked at TUS
N928SW parked at TUS
N906EV back in service
N880AS parked at TUS

E145XR:
N17196 back in service
The following units have exited the fleet (stored at IGM): N13118, N17108, N34110

E145:
N11539 parked at TYS
N19554 parked at TYS
N18557 parked at TYS
N12900 parked at TYS
The following units have exited the fleet (stored at IGM): N11536, N15574, N10575, N832HK, N835HK, N836HK
The following units have exited the fleet (airframe sold): N845HK, N847HK
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 3:23 pm

The pilot displacement bid closed on Friday. A bit over 4,200 got displaced.

Now will need to wait to see what the fall schedule will look like to determine what actual staffing need will be. Also in the interim there likely be additional early out, retirement, or leave of absences to clear list.

Looking at another round(or two) of bids to balance things at bases/equipment that are overstaffed and who really gets left without a chair at the end.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun May 24, 2020 8:20 pm

One tidbit that came out from the Global Transportation conference last week was that UA said it would reassess LOPAs. Assuming the recovery demand profile skews further toward leisure as business travel remains weaker in period of global recession it could make sense to pull premium seats and densify aircraft further.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 1:15 am

UAX Update:

E175:
N721YX back in service
N722YX back in service
N723YX back in service
N727YX back in service
N728YX back in service
N752YX back in service

E170:
N634RW parked at CMH
N648RW parked at CMH
N642RW parked at IND

CR5:
N504GJ back in service
N508GJ back in service
N506GJ parked at STL
N522GJ parked at STL
N551GJ parked at STL
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 1:23 am

Are the 752s coming back online?

I had to check SFO-EWR flights for early July and of the four daily non-stops is 1 is a 78X and 3 are 752s. LAX-EWR is showing a 78X, 763, and a 752.

Looks like 752s are back on the schedule from early June on.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 7:09 pm

As a reminder, this thread is about UA fleet and route network developments. Discussions about labor relations, COVID-related pay cuts, or old UA vs. CO divisions are off topic.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 8:47 pm

Latest updates indicate P&Ws 757s (ex p.s.) are all retired. Sub-CO 752s/753s will be brought back. I've seen a few 752s and 753s running around IAH recently.

764s listed as "in storage" compared to retired as previously announced in an email from 2 weeks ago.

739s (3401-3412) listed as "in storage" too, these may be on the edge of long term storage or retirement.

Anybody know about 3014? She's a leased bird who is the last 777 in "active storage" who still has diamond seats. Possible retirement of old Peter max?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 8:55 pm

Just to echo hOMSaR, this really isn't the place for arguing over union/management issues. We really don't want to serve as a platform to fuel those differences, particularly during a time when a lot of people are suffering in a lot of different ways. A discussion is one thing, but having things turn personal or nasty is entirely different. Let's not lose sight of the big picture here.

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The fleet changes, fleet status, and repaint status posts at the start of this thread have been updated.

There is also a post dedicated to keeping track of stored mainline aircraft.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 10:47 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
Latest updates indicate P&Ws 757s (ex p.s.) are all retired. Sub-CO 752s/753s will be brought back. I've seen a few 752s and 753s running around IAH recently.

764s listed as "in storage" compared to retired as previously announced in an email from 2 weeks ago.

739s (3401-3412) listed as "in storage" too, these may be on the edge of long term storage or retirement.

Anybody know about 3014? She's a leased bird who is the last 777 in "active storage" who still has diamond seats. Possible retirement of old Peter max?


Hopefully the ViaSat KA2 units on the 7 ex PS birds are taken off and moved over to the KA band 753s so that they don't go to waste. UA was in the middle of upgrading all of the PS 752s with a new wifi system to replace the gogo service when COVID hit.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:46 am

When will the July schedule being to roll out? Should we expect to see the first round of cuts this week?
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 12:43 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
Latest updates indicate P&Ws 757s (ex p.s.) are all retired. Sub-CO 752s/753s will be brought back. I've seen a few 752s and 753s running around IAH recently.

764s listed as "in storage" compared to retired as previously announced in an email from 2 weeks ago.

739s (3401-3412) listed as "in storage" too, these may be on the edge of long term storage or retirement.

Anybody know about 3014? She's a leased bird who is the last 777 in "active storage" who still has diamond seats. Possible retirement of old Peter max?


I just saw the fleet plan as well and I noticed the same thing all the PW 752 are now showing retired.

3014 was supposed to go to HKG for Polaris/PE in April but after the last frames came out UA hit the pause button. For now except for the 3 PW 77Es slated to join the domestic fleet, 3014 is the only international 77E without Polaris/PE. Who knows what UA will do this bird as you know the latest fleet update only shows the PW 752s as retired nothing else has changed.

Not sure when UA will make a public announcement about the PW 752s retirement.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 12:54 pm

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Are the 752s coming back online?

I had to check SFO-EWR flights for early July and of the four daily non-stops is 1 is a 78X and 3 are 752s. LAX-EWR is showing a 78X, 763, and a 752.

Looks like 752s are back on the schedule from early June on.


United reactivated some 753s this month and like you stated some 752s are coming back in June.

United is trying to provide more a more comfortable ride across the country as more people in the New York area are traveling again. Even in this environment UA can't afford to be the only major carrier without lay flat seats. Our RR 752s have 169 seats (old configuration) 176 seats (new configuration) compared to our 738s which have 166 seats on board. The return of the RR 752s on these routes is not about providing social distance because the old configuration 752 only has 3 more seats than UA's 738s. This is all about putting lay flat seats back on these routes on every departure so UA can remain competitive.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:11 pm

A Twitter post indicates 17 752RR units will be "reactived" along with 50 739ERs.
I'm sure its not a coincidence that 17 752s is the exact number that are not stored in ROW.  One "Her Art Here" is still in ROW.
Six are flying or rotating in-and-out of flying.  The rest are stored/parked at MCO, INT and SFO.
Maybe its unfortunate that 7 of 12 in new configuration are stored at ROW, but UA probably doesn't need the extra 9Y seats at this point.  
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 2:45 pm

319:
N880UA, ex China Southern B-2296, sked to ferry SFO-ROW 2727/27May. Probably ready for service after XMN/SFO induction, but unpainted.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 8:55 pm

Greg Hart is out as COO, replaced by Jon Roitman SVP Airports
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 9:13 pm

Will the 787-10s come back into service soon? I booked a EWR-LAX-LAS flight in Mid July just to fly the 787 on the first leg.

LAX-LAS isn't operating this month for UA, but hopefully they will add it back.
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 10:27 pm

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Greg Hart is out as COO, replaced by Jon Roitman SVP Airports


Anyone know why, or care to speculate? This is an interesting development ...
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 10:33 pm

RushmoreAir wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Greg Hart is out as COO, replaced by Jon Roitman SVP Airports


Anyone know why, or care to speculate? This is an interesting development ...


According to Kirby he was preparing for retirement so he is stepping back to take a new role that will lead United through this Covid downturn while grooming his successor.
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 11:25 pm

Hart is merely 54, a bit young to "retire". More likely imo now with Kirby now in charge he is moving his lieutenants around.

Also saw Andrew Nocella becomes in charge of UAX and Cargo under his portfolio now.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 11:46 pm

United reshuffles management to prepare for post-coronavirus world - Flight Global

Hart, in turn, will move to a strategic role involving what chief executive Scott Kirby calls “critical medium and long term issues” such as safety, hygiene, and operating efficiency as the airline and the industry return from their coronavirus-induced forced slumber. Hart will also work on cost-cutting issues as the airline figures out what its new normal is going to look like.


United Airlines Shuffles Senior Leadership Team - Simple Flying

Greg Hart had previously said he was planning to retire in the short to medium term. Retirement has temporarily been put onto the backburner after the CEO tapped the COO in the shoulder.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:12 am

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Will the 787-10s come back into service soon? I booked a EWR-LAX-LAS flight in Mid July just to fly the 787 on the first leg.

LAX-LAS isn't operating this month for UA, but hopefully they will add it back.



UA's 78Xs were never parked the entire fleet has remained in service throughout this entire crisis. United has placed most of them on international routes and for now we are using some 788s on some transcons.

UPlog wrote:
Hart is merely 54, a bit young to "retire". More likely imo now with Kirby now in charge he is moving his lieutenants around.

Also saw Andrew Nocella becomes in charge of UAX and Cargo under his portfolio now.


Although we may never get the real reason why Hart decided to retire what I do know is because of the crisis Hart would not be receiving a pay raise his salary would have remained as is as a result of COVID-19. You don't accept a job only to retire a few weeks after accepting the position.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:19 am

Okay, guys. I normally leave this thread alone to let discussion just sort of flow, but once again we need to remind everyone that this thread is about United's network, fleet, and livery. Discussion over unions and personnel changes that drift off topic into finger-pointing don't belong here. If you want to have that discussion (respectfully, I might add), then please create a thread for it. This isn't a catch-all United discussion. I normally let that stuff go, but some of the posts here have become too divisive for what this thread is actually intended for.

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Thu May 28, 2020 1:24 am

Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:25 am

There have been upgauges and extra sections here and there as demand has warranted.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:27 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I think in your case, I would be very surprised if LAX-LAS is operating in July. Your best case scenario maybe EWR-SFO-LAS if you want premium cabin. My guess is NK would not be flying EWR-LAS in early July also.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:32 am

tphuang wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I think in your case, I would be very surprised if LAX-LAS is operating in July. Your best case scenario maybe EWR-SFO-LAS if you want premium cabin. My guess is NK would not be flying EWR-LAS in early July also.


Why would you say that UA would not fly LAX-LAS? Is it low demand. I am booked from EWR to LAS with a stop in LAX. I picked this so I could take the 787-10 to LAX. NK I would understand more. I am booked to fly LAS-EWR on NK in July also because it was 40 bucks a person.

UA does seem to be picking up steam a bit compared to last month. Hopefully, they can restart LAX-LAS. The 787 would be nice.

Any reasons behind your thinking?
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:32 am

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Okay, guys. I normally leave this thread alone to let discussion just sort of flow, but once again we need to remind everyone that this thread is about United's network, fleet, and livery. Discussion over unions and personnel changes that drift off topic into finger-pointing don't belong here. If you want to have that discussion (respectfully, I might add), then please create a thread for it. This isn't a catch-all United discussion. I normally let that stuff go, but some of the posts here have become too divisive for what this thread is actually intended for.

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Respectfully, a thread was created about this recent management move (which is off topic of network and fleet) and that was deleted in favor of this thread. It's hard to know where to post when threads that are intended to be away from this one are deleted.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:38 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


Anything post early July schedule is not accurate...as you said it's the pre covid schedule.

UA has started to add flights back in June and is using larger aircraft on some routes. For instance SFO-ORD and SFO-EWR have both gained a frequency. For May was UA operating about 10% of its normal schedule, July they plan on operating about 25% of normal schedule and June is somewhere in the middle of that.
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:55 am

United1 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


Anything post early July schedule is not accurate...as you said it's the pre covid schedule.

UA has started to add flights back in June and is using larger aircraft on some routes. For instance SFO-ORD and SFO-EWR have both gained a frequency. For May was UA operating about 10% of its normal schedule, July they plan on operating about 25% of normal schedule and June is somewhere in the middle of that.


Seems they haven't added the LAX-LAS flight in June. Starting to question my reservation. It also seems that on other airliners like NK, they will change your departure times around. What happens if UA cancels second leg of the EWR-LAX-LAS flight? Do I get to keep the first leg still and just connect through another airport. Im fine with EWR-LAX-SFO-LAS to get that 787.

Seems none of the times are accurate either.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:55 am

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AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I’d guess LAX-LAS will come back as the casinos are opening in June. Maybe not added onto the June schedule, but the July schedule probably. LAX-LAS does generate some close-in bookings so I wouldn’t completely rule out a last minute June add.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 2:03 am

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Respectfully, a thread was created about this recent management move (which is off topic of network and fleet) and that was deleted in favor of this thread. It's hard to know where to post when threads that are intended to be away from this one are deleted.


That thread was deleted for copyright violations, and failure to supply a source.

We are happy to encourage discussion, but post need to comply with forum rules otherwise must be removed.
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AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I’d guess LAX-LAS will come back as the casinos are opening in June. Maybe not added onto the June schedule, but the July schedule probably. LAX-LAS does generate some close-in bookings so I wouldn’t completely rule out a last minute June add.


Thank you for this. How is EWR-LAX route doing? Are they looking to add more flights?

My 787-10 flight for Mid July has quite a bit of occupied seats in United Economy. I hope they wouldn't axe that.

EWR does seem to be UA's most valuable asset in the NYC area since they gave up JFK. I wonder how F9 is doing at EWR since they added trans-continentals.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 4:54 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
United1 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


Anything post early July schedule is not accurate...as you said it's the pre covid schedule.

UA has started to add flights back in June and is using larger aircraft on some routes. For instance SFO-ORD and SFO-EWR have both gained a frequency. For May was UA operating about 10% of its normal schedule, July they plan on operating about 25% of normal schedule and June is somewhere in the middle of that.


Seems they haven't added the LAX-LAS flight in June. Starting to question my reservation. It also seems that on other airliners like NK, they will change your departure times around. What happens if UA cancels second leg of the EWR-LAX-LAS flight? Do I get to keep the first leg still and just connect through another airport. Im fine with EWR-LAX-SFO-LAS to get that 787.

Seems none of the times are accurate either.


I would suggest waiting until you get a little closer to the day of your flight. Once UA uploads the July schedules log into United.com and check your flight. If your reservations have been changed UA will give you alternative flights and reroutes to pick from.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:58 am

There will be more international flying opportunities for United FA's.

As we all know UA is now loading cargo in the cabin (overhead bins and closets). Up until now on all ferries and cargo charters fire safety duties have been the responsibility of the flight crew because the cabin was empty. However now that we are loading cargo in the cabin on some of our international cargo charters fire safety is no longer the responsibility of the flight crew, it falls to the Flight Attendants. Any cargo flight that has cargo in the cabin will now also have 4 flight attendants in the cabin for first safety.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 7:55 am

UAX Update:

CR2:
The following units have been parked at TUS: N701BR, N870AS, N871AS, N910SW, N937SW, N863AS, N494CA

E45X:
N17115 now parked at IAH
The following units have exited the fleet (stored at IGM): 105, 109, 166, 167, 196

E45:
N12900 is now returned to flying
N16571 parked at CLE
N11548 has exited the fleet (stored at IGM)
The following units now parked at IAH: 561, 572, 907, 978, 979
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 2:53 pm

Is the deal to put the ex WN B737s into service off? It appears that N7710E, which was supposed to go to UA, is now being parted out.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 4:11 pm

Runway28L wrote:
Is the deal to put the ex WN B737s into service off? It appears that N7710E, which was supposed to go to UA, is now being parted out.


I haven't heard anything about UA not receiving the exWN 73Gs. There are a few stored at PAE/GYR undergoing or waiting for induction.

Looking at the UA fleet site N7710E wasn't one of the frames listed to be transferred to UA.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 4:59 pm

Runway28L, do you have more information?
N7710E is shown as a Cessna in the FAA database and not operated by WN.
N7710A is in PAE since3 5/19/20. It joins 3 others in PAE and 2 in GYR.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 6:37 pm

First of all, my apologies... I made a typo and meant N7701B which has been at MZJ since 9/30/19 per planespotters.net. Recently came across a photo of it parted out. Looks like this frame was not destined for United, so moot point.

Personally, I question the source where this info of UA no longer pressing the WN 737s into service came from. So I thought I would check here first considering how COVID-19 has altered fleet plans at many airlines, including UA.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 7:00 pm

Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.

With UA still only flying 10% of our schedule this means fuller aircraft which is good news (depending on your point of view), but it is also bad news for non-revs because as we all know once a flight checks-in 70% full no non-revs will be cleared.

Also in terms of new aircraft delivery Kirby stated beyond the new airplanes UA is locked into (787s and MAX) it will be a while before UA takes delivery of any new jets. Looking at previous statements I think that means UA will take delivery of aircraft on the books through 2021, anything beyond 2021 that will probably be deferred. (UA already announced they would only be taking half of their original MAX order the remainder has been deferred). Also he eluded to the fact that UA will stop taking delivery of slightly used aircraft instead UA will keep most of our older aircraft because it is the less risky financial decision. Not sure what this means for UA's A321XLR order although Q4 2024 is still a ways away.

Lastly Kirby stated against all expectations UA's international business is doing just as well as UA domestic business, although he does agree domestic market will recover faster than our international market.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 7:57 pm

The XLRs would seem like super useful aircraft for rebuilding routes. Can't imagine those won't come on time.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 8:41 pm

It seems like international flight are only doing better P&L wise because they are probably making money on the cargo flights whereas most domestic flight are still money losers even at 50 to 60% LF. And a lot of the Caribbean stuff probably are doing as well as domestic flights. The problem for UA is that cargo only flights become not profitable once the passenger flights start up again and the demand for international LH is not going to improve anywhere close to improvement in domestic demand.

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