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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue May 26, 2020 10:47 pm

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Latest updates indicate P&Ws 757s (ex p.s.) are all retired. Sub-CO 752s/753s will be brought back. I've seen a few 752s and 753s running around IAH recently.

764s listed as "in storage" compared to retired as previously announced in an email from 2 weeks ago.

739s (3401-3412) listed as "in storage" too, these may be on the edge of long term storage or retirement.

Anybody know about 3014? She's a leased bird who is the last 777 in "active storage" who still has diamond seats. Possible retirement of old Peter max?


Hopefully the ViaSat KA2 units on the 7 ex PS birds are taken off and moved over to the KA band 753s so that they don't go to waste. UA was in the middle of upgrading all of the PS 752s with a new wifi system to replace the gogo service when COVID hit.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:46 am

When will the July schedule being to roll out? Should we expect to see the first round of cuts this week?
 
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Wed May 27, 2020 12:43 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
Latest updates indicate P&Ws 757s (ex p.s.) are all retired. Sub-CO 752s/753s will be brought back. I've seen a few 752s and 753s running around IAH recently.

764s listed as "in storage" compared to retired as previously announced in an email from 2 weeks ago.

739s (3401-3412) listed as "in storage" too, these may be on the edge of long term storage or retirement.

Anybody know about 3014? She's a leased bird who is the last 777 in "active storage" who still has diamond seats. Possible retirement of old Peter max?


I just saw the fleet plan as well and I noticed the same thing all the PW 752 are now showing retired.

3014 was supposed to go to HKG for Polaris/PE in April but after the last frames came out UA hit the pause button. For now except for the 3 PW 77Es slated to join the domestic fleet, 3014 is the only international 77E without Polaris/PE. Who knows what UA will do this bird as you know the latest fleet update only shows the PW 752s as retired nothing else has changed.

Not sure when UA will make a public announcement about the PW 752s retirement.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 12:54 pm

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Are the 752s coming back online?

I had to check SFO-EWR flights for early July and of the four daily non-stops is 1 is a 78X and 3 are 752s. LAX-EWR is showing a 78X, 763, and a 752.

Looks like 752s are back on the schedule from early June on.


United reactivated some 753s this month and like you stated some 752s are coming back in June.

United is trying to provide more a more comfortable ride across the country as more people in the New York area are traveling again. Even in this environment UA can't afford to be the only major carrier without lay flat seats. Our RR 752s have 169 seats (old configuration) 176 seats (new configuration) compared to our 738s which have 166 seats on board. The return of the RR 752s on these routes is not about providing social distance because the old configuration 752 only has 3 more seats than UA's 738s. This is all about putting lay flat seats back on these routes on every departure so UA can remain competitive.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:11 pm

A Twitter post indicates 17 752RR units will be "reactived" along with 50 739ERs.
I'm sure its not a coincidence that 17 752s is the exact number that are not stored in ROW.  One "Her Art Here" is still in ROW.
Six are flying or rotating in-and-out of flying.  The rest are stored/parked at MCO, INT and SFO.
Maybe its unfortunate that 7 of 12 in new configuration are stored at ROW, but UA probably doesn't need the extra 9Y seats at this point.  
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 2:45 pm

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 8:55 pm

Greg Hart is out as COO, replaced by Jon Roitman SVP Airports
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 9:13 pm

Will the 787-10s come back into service soon? I booked a EWR-LAX-LAS flight in Mid July just to fly the 787 on the first leg.

LAX-LAS isn't operating this month for UA, but hopefully they will add it back.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 10:27 pm

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Greg Hart is out as COO, replaced by Jon Roitman SVP Airports


Anyone know why, or care to speculate? This is an interesting development ...
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 10:33 pm

RushmoreAir wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Greg Hart is out as COO, replaced by Jon Roitman SVP Airports


Anyone know why, or care to speculate? This is an interesting development ...


According to Kirby he was preparing for retirement so he is stepping back to take a new role that will lead United through this Covid downturn while grooming his successor.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 11:25 pm

Hart is merely 54, a bit young to "retire". More likely imo now with Kirby now in charge he is moving his lieutenants around.

Also saw Andrew Nocella becomes in charge of UAX and Cargo under his portfolio now.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed May 27, 2020 11:46 pm

United reshuffles management to prepare for post-coronavirus world - Flight Global

Hart, in turn, will move to a strategic role involving what chief executive Scott Kirby calls “critical medium and long term issues” such as safety, hygiene, and operating efficiency as the airline and the industry return from their coronavirus-induced forced slumber. Hart will also work on cost-cutting issues as the airline figures out what its new normal is going to look like.


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Greg Hart had previously said he was planning to retire in the short to medium term. Retirement has temporarily been put onto the backburner after the CEO tapped the COO in the shoulder.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:12 am

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Will the 787-10s come back into service soon? I booked a EWR-LAX-LAS flight in Mid July just to fly the 787 on the first leg.

LAX-LAS isn't operating this month for UA, but hopefully they will add it back.



UA's 78Xs were never parked the entire fleet has remained in service throughout this entire crisis. United has placed most of them on international routes and for now we are using some 788s on some transcons.

UPlog wrote:
Hart is merely 54, a bit young to "retire". More likely imo now with Kirby now in charge he is moving his lieutenants around.

Also saw Andrew Nocella becomes in charge of UAX and Cargo under his portfolio now.


Although we may never get the real reason why Hart decided to retire what I do know is because of the crisis Hart would not be receiving a pay raise his salary would have remained as is as a result of COVID-19. You don't accept a job only to retire a few weeks after accepting the position.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:19 am

Okay, guys. I normally leave this thread alone to let discussion just sort of flow, but once again we need to remind everyone that this thread is about United's network, fleet, and livery. Discussion over unions and personnel changes that drift off topic into finger-pointing don't belong here. If you want to have that discussion (respectfully, I might add), then please create a thread for it. This isn't a catch-all United discussion. I normally let that stuff go, but some of the posts here have become too divisive for what this thread is actually intended for.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:24 am

Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:25 am

There have been upgauges and extra sections here and there as demand has warranted.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:27 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I think in your case, I would be very surprised if LAX-LAS is operating in July. Your best case scenario maybe EWR-SFO-LAS if you want premium cabin. My guess is NK would not be flying EWR-LAS in early July also.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:32 am

tphuang wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I think in your case, I would be very surprised if LAX-LAS is operating in July. Your best case scenario maybe EWR-SFO-LAS if you want premium cabin. My guess is NK would not be flying EWR-LAS in early July also.


Why would you say that UA would not fly LAX-LAS? Is it low demand. I am booked from EWR to LAS with a stop in LAX. I picked this so I could take the 787-10 to LAX. NK I would understand more. I am booked to fly LAS-EWR on NK in July also because it was 40 bucks a person.

UA does seem to be picking up steam a bit compared to last month. Hopefully, they can restart LAX-LAS. The 787 would be nice.

Any reasons behind your thinking?
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:32 am

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Okay, guys. I normally leave this thread alone to let discussion just sort of flow, but once again we need to remind everyone that this thread is about United's network, fleet, and livery. Discussion over unions and personnel changes that drift off topic into finger-pointing don't belong here. If you want to have that discussion (respectfully, I might add), then please create a thread for it. This isn't a catch-all United discussion. I normally let that stuff go, but some of the posts here have become too divisive for what this thread is actually intended for.

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Respectfully, a thread was created about this recent management move (which is off topic of network and fleet) and that was deleted in favor of this thread. It's hard to know where to post when threads that are intended to be away from this one are deleted.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:38 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


Anything post early July schedule is not accurate...as you said it's the pre covid schedule.

UA has started to add flights back in June and is using larger aircraft on some routes. For instance SFO-ORD and SFO-EWR have both gained a frequency. For May was UA operating about 10% of its normal schedule, July they plan on operating about 25% of normal schedule and June is somewhere in the middle of that.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 1:55 am

United1 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


Anything post early July schedule is not accurate...as you said it's the pre covid schedule.

UA has started to add flights back in June and is using larger aircraft on some routes. For instance SFO-ORD and SFO-EWR have both gained a frequency. For May was UA operating about 10% of its normal schedule, July they plan on operating about 25% of normal schedule and June is somewhere in the middle of that.


Seems they haven't added the LAX-LAS flight in June. Starting to question my reservation. It also seems that on other airliners like NK, they will change your departure times around. What happens if UA cancels second leg of the EWR-LAX-LAS flight? Do I get to keep the first leg still and just connect through another airport. Im fine with EWR-LAX-SFO-LAS to get that 787.

Seems none of the times are accurate either.
 
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Thu May 28, 2020 1:55 am

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AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I’d guess LAX-LAS will come back as the casinos are opening in June. Maybe not added onto the June schedule, but the July schedule probably. LAX-LAS does generate some close-in bookings so I wouldn’t completely rule out a last minute June add.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 2:03 am

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Respectfully, a thread was created about this recent management move (which is off topic of network and fleet) and that was deleted in favor of this thread. It's hard to know where to post when threads that are intended to be away from this one are deleted.


That thread was deleted for copyright violations, and failure to supply a source.

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Thu May 28, 2020 2:22 am

ericm2031 wrote:
[twoid][/twoid]
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


I’d guess LAX-LAS will come back as the casinos are opening in June. Maybe not added onto the June schedule, but the July schedule probably. LAX-LAS does generate some close-in bookings so I wouldn’t completely rule out a last minute June add.


Thank you for this. How is EWR-LAX route doing? Are they looking to add more flights?

My 787-10 flight for Mid July has quite a bit of occupied seats in United Economy. I hope they wouldn't axe that.

EWR does seem to be UA's most valuable asset in the NYC area since they gave up JFK. I wonder how F9 is doing at EWR since they added trans-continentals.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 4:54 am

AmericanAir88 wrote:
United1 wrote:
AmericanAir88 wrote:
Does UA (Any airline, but mainly UA) add more flights as the pandemic gets better? If things started to look better in June, would UA adjust its schedules to have more flights operating?

It seems that in UA's case, anything after July 6th looks like the pre-Covid schedule. Mostly curious as myself and others have flights planned after the 6th that aren't operating right now, but show up after 7/6. For example: UA's LAX-LAS or NK's LAS to EWR.


Anything post early July schedule is not accurate...as you said it's the pre covid schedule.

UA has started to add flights back in June and is using larger aircraft on some routes. For instance SFO-ORD and SFO-EWR have both gained a frequency. For May was UA operating about 10% of its normal schedule, July they plan on operating about 25% of normal schedule and June is somewhere in the middle of that.


Seems they haven't added the LAX-LAS flight in June. Starting to question my reservation. It also seems that on other airliners like NK, they will change your departure times around. What happens if UA cancels second leg of the EWR-LAX-LAS flight? Do I get to keep the first leg still and just connect through another airport. Im fine with EWR-LAX-SFO-LAS to get that 787.

Seems none of the times are accurate either.


I would suggest waiting until you get a little closer to the day of your flight. Once UA uploads the July schedules log into United.com and check your flight. If your reservations have been changed UA will give you alternative flights and reroutes to pick from.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Thu May 28, 2020 11:58 am

There will be more international flying opportunities for United FA's.

As we all know UA is now loading cargo in the cabin (overhead bins and closets). Up until now on all ferries and cargo charters fire safety duties have been the responsibility of the flight crew because the cabin was empty. However now that we are loading cargo in the cabin on some of our international cargo charters fire safety is no longer the responsibility of the flight crew, it falls to the Flight Attendants. Any cargo flight that has cargo in the cabin will now also have 4 flight attendants in the cabin for first safety.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 7:55 am

UAX Update:

CR2:
The following units have been parked at TUS: N701BR, N870AS, N871AS, N910SW, N937SW, N863AS, N494CA

E45X:
N17115 now parked at IAH
The following units have exited the fleet (stored at IGM): 105, 109, 166, 167, 196

E45:
N12900 is now returned to flying
N16571 parked at CLE
N11548 has exited the fleet (stored at IGM)
The following units now parked at IAH: 561, 572, 907, 978, 979
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 2:53 pm

Is the deal to put the ex WN B737s into service off? It appears that N7710E, which was supposed to go to UA, is now being parted out.
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 4:11 pm

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Is the deal to put the ex WN B737s into service off? It appears that N7710E, which was supposed to go to UA, is now being parted out.


I haven't heard anything about UA not receiving the exWN 73Gs. There are a few stored at PAE/GYR undergoing or waiting for induction.

Looking at the UA fleet site N7710E wasn't one of the frames listed to be transferred to UA.
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Fri May 29, 2020 4:59 pm

Runway28L, do you have more information?
N7710E is shown as a Cessna in the FAA database and not operated by WN.
N7710A is in PAE since3 5/19/20. It joins 3 others in PAE and 2 in GYR.
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 6:37 pm

First of all, my apologies... I made a typo and meant N7701B which has been at MZJ since 9/30/19 per planespotters.net. Recently came across a photo of it parted out. Looks like this frame was not destined for United, so moot point.

Personally, I question the source where this info of UA no longer pressing the WN 737s into service came from. So I thought I would check here first considering how COVID-19 has altered fleet plans at many airlines, including UA.
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 7:00 pm

Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.

With UA still only flying 10% of our schedule this means fuller aircraft which is good news (depending on your point of view), but it is also bad news for non-revs because as we all know once a flight checks-in 70% full no non-revs will be cleared.

Also in terms of new aircraft delivery Kirby stated beyond the new airplanes UA is locked into (787s and MAX) it will be a while before UA takes delivery of any new jets. Looking at previous statements I think that means UA will take delivery of aircraft on the books through 2021, anything beyond 2021 that will probably be deferred. (UA already announced they would only be taking half of their original MAX order the remainder has been deferred). Also he eluded to the fact that UA will stop taking delivery of slightly used aircraft instead UA will keep most of our older aircraft because it is the less risky financial decision. Not sure what this means for UA's A321XLR order although Q4 2024 is still a ways away.

Lastly Kirby stated against all expectations UA's international business is doing just as well as UA domestic business, although he does agree domestic market will recover faster than our international market.

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Fri May 29, 2020 7:57 pm

The XLRs would seem like super useful aircraft for rebuilding routes. Can't imagine those won't come on time.
 
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Fri May 29, 2020 8:41 pm

It seems like international flight are only doing better P&L wise because they are probably making money on the cargo flights whereas most domestic flight are still money losers even at 50 to 60% LF. And a lot of the Caribbean stuff probably are doing as well as domestic flights. The problem for UA is that cargo only flights become not profitable once the passenger flights start up again and the demand for international LH is not going to improve anywhere close to improvement in domestic demand.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 9:02 pm

Announced today LAX 787 and ORD 777 base closure delayed for 3-months. A portion of base pilots will have delayed displacements as bases are used to crew cargo flying Jul-Aug-Sep.


jayunited wrote:
There will be more international flying opportunities for United FA's.

As we all know UA is now loading cargo in the cabin (overhead bins and closets). Up until now on all ferries and cargo charters fire safety duties have been the responsibility of the flight crew because the cabin was empty. However now that we are loading cargo in the cabin on some of our international cargo charters fire safety is no longer the responsibility of the flight crew, it falls to the Flight Attendants. Any cargo flight that has cargo in the cabin will now also have 4 flight attendants in the cabin for first safety.


Really does not move the needle much. There are 1000's of FAs on reserve not doing anything but being paid that can be assigned.



jayunited wrote:
Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.

With UA still only flying 10% of our schedule this means fuller aircraft which is good news (depending on your point of view), but it is also bad news for non-revs because as we all know once a flight checks-in 70% full no non-revs will be cleared.

Also in terms of new aircraft delivery Kirby stated beyond the new airplanes UA is locked into (787s and MAX) it will be a while before UA takes delivery of any new jets. Looking at previous statements I think that means UA will take delivery of aircraft on the books through 2021, anything beyond 2021 that will probably be deferred. (UA already announced they would only be taking half of their original MAX order the remainder has been deferred). Also he eluded to the fact that UA will stop taking delivery of slightly used aircraft instead UA will keep most of our older aircraft because it is the less risky financial decision. Not sure what this means for UA's A321XLR order although Q4 2024 is still a ways away.

Lastly Kirby stated against all expectations UA's international business is doing just as well as UA domestic business, although he does agree domestic market will recover faster than our international market.

https://skift.com/2020/05/28/new-united ... dle-seats/


50,000 vs 500,000 is still merely 10% of normal demand. Pretty horrendous.

On the deliveries, it was mentioned previously they were speaking with Boeing and did not anticipate any MAX deliveries in 2022, and were discussing their long term needs with OEMs.

For international its still bleak. With so few flights operating they are having a better chance of filling them, but overall picture is dire.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 9:07 pm

jayunited wrote:
Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.


https://skift.com/2020/05/28/new-united ... dle-seats/


Is that 50,000 passengers on only mainline United flights, or is that United & United Express combined?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 10:15 pm

LAXintl wrote:
Crews were told today that the post Oct.1 international schedule would be a fraction of what was flown in 2019, and it might take 30-year seniority in some bases to hold a line!


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Guess lot more Omaha layovers versus London ones.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 11:44 pm

LAXintl wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.

With UA still only flying 10% of our schedule this means fuller aircraft which is good news (depending on your point of view), but it is also bad news for non-revs because as we all know once a flight checks-in 70% full no non-revs will be cleared.

Also in terms of new aircraft delivery Kirby stated beyond the new airplanes UA is locked into (787s and MAX) it will be a while before UA takes delivery of any new jets. Looking at previous statements I think that means UA will take delivery of aircraft on the books through 2021, anything beyond 2021 that will probably be deferred. (UA already announced they would only be taking half of their original MAX order the remainder has been deferred). Also he eluded to the fact that UA will stop taking delivery of slightly used aircraft instead UA will keep most of our older aircraft because it is the less risky financial decision. Not sure what this means for UA's A321XLR order although Q4 2024 is still a ways away.

Lastly Kirby stated against all expectations UA's international business is doing just as well as UA domestic business, although he does agree domestic market will recover faster than our international market.

https://skift.com/2020/05/28/new-united ... dle-seats/


50,000 vs 500,000 is still merely 10% of normal demand. Pretty horrendous.

On the deliveries, it was mentioned previously they were speaking with Boeing and did not anticipate any MAX deliveries in 2022, and were discussing their long term needs with OEMs.

For international its still bleak. With so few flights operating they are having a better chance of filling them, but overall picture is dire.
Crews were told today that the post Oct.1 international schedule would be a fraction of what was flown in 2019, and it might take 30-year seniority in some bases to hold a line!



Isn't this exactly what I stated in my post?

50,000 a long way from half a million, no new aircraft after 2021, MAX deliveries deferred, international doing well but domestic will recover faster I though I stated these facts in my post?

As far as my post about more FA's flying that is great news for FA's as it get more of them back into the sky. While it isn't good news for all FA's, expanding cargo in the cabin to all long haul international cargo charters does mean a few FA's get to return to the sky's. UA is averaging around 30 long haul cargo charters per day (although this past Wednesday we flew 48 charters), once this program is fully deployed and extra 840 FA's will be flying on cargo charters.

We all know the picture is still horrendously dire but at least there is hope that UA has bottomed out and is now heading in the right direction on this long road to recovery. Right now in my opinion any good news is great news no matter how dire our current situation, One last thing 50,000 passengers is 40,000 more than what UA was caring just a few weeks ago, I choose to take the small victories because we have a long road ahead of us.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Fri May 29, 2020 11:46 pm

jayunited wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.

With UA still only flying 10% of our schedule this means fuller aircraft which is good news (depending on your point of view), but it is also bad news for non-revs because as we all know once a flight checks-in 70% full no non-revs will be cleared.

Also in terms of new aircraft delivery Kirby stated beyond the new airplanes UA is locked into (787s and MAX) it will be a while before UA takes delivery of any new jets. Looking at previous statements I think that means UA will take delivery of aircraft on the books through 2021, anything beyond 2021 that will probably be deferred. (UA already announced they would only be taking half of their original MAX order the remainder has been deferred). Also he eluded to the fact that UA will stop taking delivery of slightly used aircraft instead UA will keep most of our older aircraft because it is the less risky financial decision. Not sure what this means for UA's A321XLR order although Q4 2024 is still a ways away.

Lastly Kirby stated against all expectations UA's international business is doing just as well as UA domestic business, although he does agree domestic market will recover faster than our international market.

https://skift.com/2020/05/28/new-united ... dle-seats/


50,000 vs 500,000 is still merely 10% of normal demand. Pretty horrendous.

On the deliveries, it was mentioned previously they were speaking with Boeing and did not anticipate any MAX deliveries in 2022, and were discussing their long term needs with OEMs.

For international its still bleak. With so few flights operating they are having a better chance of filling them, but overall picture is dire.
Crews were told today that the post Oct.1 international schedule would be a fraction of what was flown in 2019, and it might take 30-year seniority in some bases to hold a line!



Isn't this exactly what I stated in my post?

50,000 a long way from half a million, no new aircraft after 2021, MAX deliveries deferred, international doing well but domestic will recover faster I though I stated these facts in my post?

As far as my post about more FA's flying that is great news for FA's as it get more of them back into the sky. While it isn't good news for all FA's, expanding cargo in the cabin to all long haul international cargo charters does mean a few FA's get to return to the sky's. UA is averaging around 30 long haul cargo charters per day (although this past Wednesday we flew 48 charters), once this program is fully deployed and extra 840 FA's will be flying on cargo charters.

We all know the picture is still horrendously dire but at least there is hope that UA has bottomed out and is now heading in the right direction on this long road to recovery. Right now in my opinion any good news is great news no matter how dire our current situation, One last thing 50,000 passengers is 40,000 more than what UA was caring just a few weeks ago, I choose to take the small victories because we have a long road ahead of us.


It's okay, Jay. people are doing the same thing in the TSA Passenger Throughput thread. They are saying since it's around 10% it's not fully recovered. Yeah, no kidding. But it is good to see the market has found a bottom, and the uptick in demand has been very encouraging. It won't save the airline but it is good for morale, hopefully we can all be back to normal "soon".
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:07 am

Super80DFW wrote:
jayunited wrote:
Kirby gave an interview yesterday and UA's situation is slowly improving although we still have a long way to go.

According to Kirby this past Wednesday UA carried almost 50,000 passengers in a single day this is up from our lowest point in April where UA was lucky if we carried 10,000 passengers per day but still down from half a million passengers per day which is what UA would carry in a single day before this crisis.


https://skift.com/2020/05/28/new-united ... dle-seats/


Is that 50,000 passengers on only mainline United flights, or is that United & United Express combined?


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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:13 am

United set to resume Singapore, Hong Kong, Tokyo Haneda, Seoul, and increase TATL in July.

https://reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN ... ssion=true
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:26 am

Planned July longhaul schedule.

ATLANTIC
EWR - AMS/CDG/DUB/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD - BRU/FRA/LHR/MUC/TLV/ZRH
ORD - LHR
SFO - DEL

PACIFIC
EWR - NRT
HKG - SIN
ORD - HND
SFO - HKG/ICN/NRT/SYD

LATIN
IAH - EZE/GRU/LIM

Not all services daily. Many 3-4 weekly.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:30 am

LAXintl wrote:
Planned July longhaul schedule.

HKG - SIN


So they're going through with restoring the fifth-freedom flight? Nice to see, assuming the route gets approval which I don't think it has yet?

And plans for PEK/PVG/CTU in June have been slashed?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:54 am

LAXintl wrote:
Planned July longhaul schedule.

ATLANTIC
EWR - AMS/CDG/DUB/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD - BRU/FRA/LHR/MUC/TLV/ZRH
ORD - LHR
SFO - DEL

PACIFIC
EWR - NRT
HKG - SIN
ORD - HND
SFO - HKG/ICN/NRT/SYD

LATIN
IAH - EZE/GRU/LIM

Not all services daily. Many 3-4 weekly.


PVG got the axe all around?

How did IAD-MUC/BRU/ZRH get revived before EWR?
Last edited by Nicknuzzii on Sat May 30, 2020 12:58 am, edited 2 times in total.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 12:57 am

LAXintl wrote:
Planned July longhaul schedule.

ATLANTIC
EWR - AMS/CDG/DUB/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD - BRU/FRA/LHR/MUC/TLV/ZRH
ORD - LHR
SFO - DEL

PACIFIC
EWR - NRT
HKG - SIN
ORD - HND
SFO - HKG/ICN/NRT/SYD

LATIN
IAH - EZE/GRU/LIM

Not all services daily. Many 3-4 weekly.


That is a very impressive schedule. Looks like UA is copying Delta by doing 1 stop Asia. Also, no China, and a lot of IAD resumptions.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 1:09 am

Nicknuzzii wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Planned July longhaul schedule.

ATLANTIC
EWR - AMS/CDG/DUB/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD - BRU/FRA/LHR/MUC/TLV/ZRH
ORD - LHR
SFO - DEL

PACIFIC
EWR - NRT
HKG - SIN
ORD - HND
SFO - HKG/ICN/NRT/SYD

LATIN
IAH - EZE/GRU/LIM

Not all services daily. Many 3-4 weekly.


PVG got the axe all around?

How did IAD-MUC/BRU/ZRH get revived before EWR?


PVG, PEK and CTU are still being sorted out...

EWR-MUC/ZRH are served by UAs JV partners. IAD-BRU might be because of government travel or perhaps UA thinks it can flow more connections via IAD.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 1:12 am

Surprised DEN-NRT hasn't returned. United has (maybe had?) a lucrative freight contract with one of the major air freight companies for this route to get express freight stateside. Seems like it would be a low hanging fruit to return, but perhaps not.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 1:39 am

788:
Looks like the 788 fleet will be returning to Polaris mods immediately
N28912 - scheduled to ferry XMN 2Jun for Polaris/PE mod
N26910 - scheduled to ferry XMN 2Jun for Polaris/PE mod
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 1:57 am

United1 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
LAXintl wrote:
Planned July longhaul schedule.

ATLANTIC
EWR - AMS/CDG/DUB/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD - BRU/FRA/LHR/MUC/TLV/ZRH
ORD - LHR
SFO - DEL

PACIFIC
EWR - NRT
HKG - SIN
ORD - HND
SFO - HKG/ICN/NRT/SYD

LATIN
IAH - EZE/GRU/LIM

Not all services daily. Many 3-4 weekly.


PVG got the axe all around?

How did IAD-MUC/BRU/ZRH get revived before EWR?


PVG, PEK and CTU are still being sorted out...

EWR-MUC/ZRH are served by UAs JV partners. IAD-BRU might be because of government travel or perhaps UA thinks it can flow more connections via IAD.


NH is operating IAH-HND and LH is operating IAH-FRA less than daily in July. That should suffice.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat May 30, 2020 7:35 am

LAXintl wrote:
Planned July longhaul schedule.

ATLANTIC
EWR - AMS/CDG/DUB/FRA/LHR/TLV
IAD - BRU/FRA/LHR/MUC/TLV/ZRH
ORD - LHR
SFO - DEL

PACIFIC
EWR - NRT
HKG - SIN
ORD - HND
SFO - HKG/ICN/NRT/SYD

LATIN
IAH - EZE/GRU/LIM

Not all services daily. Many 3-4 weekly.


Not sure how they plan to fly to Latin America. Argentina's closed until Sept 1st. Peru continues to be closed too. Brazil, should be open in July, but the current ban on travel may be extended. American just delayed all Brazil travel until Aug 17th,
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