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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:39 pm

PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Anyone know what's driving all of the traffic to Guam?

Right now, I see three direct 777s enroute to Guam from LAX, HNL and SFO. I know Guam has a large US military presence, but this seems like a lot of lift for a little island when the leisure market is non-existent.


As others have mentioned, GUM is simply a place to exchange crews to avoid having layovers in countries with exceptionally strict entry requirements. Currently GUM serves as a stopover point for cargo-only flights between SFO-SIN, LAX-HKG, SFO-TPE, and LAX-PVG.

NRT was originally the sole stopover point for these operations but the combination of curfew and other operational constraints caused some of the flights to be routed over GUM.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Aug 08, 2020 6:47 pm

wn676 wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Anyone know what's driving all of the traffic to Guam?

Right now, I see three direct 777s enroute to Guam from LAX, HNL and SFO. I know Guam has a large US military presence, but this seems like a lot of lift for a little island when the leisure market is non-existent.


As others have mentioned, GUM is simply a place to exchange crews to avoid having layovers in countries with exceptionally strict entry requirements. Currently GUM serves as a stopover point for cargo-only flights between SFO-SIN, LAX-HKG, SFO-TPE, and LAX-PVG.

NRT was originally the sole stopover point for these operations but the combination of curfew and other operational constraints caused some of the flights to be routed over GUM.



Does the SIN flight change crew in Singapore or a same day turn around from GUM? It seems like other foregin airlines operating cargo flights into Sngapore change crews in Singapore? I originally thought it is stopping in GUM to carry more cargo out of SFO direct to SIN to avoid payload restriction or is there also cargo loaded on/off in GUM or just for the crew change?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 9:27 pm

On Friday EZ A319 G-EZIV ferried from LGW>QLA and will become N2302U for UA:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GEZIV
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Aug 09, 2020 10:19 pm

audidudi wrote:
On Friday EZ A319 G-EZIV ferried from LGW>QLA and will become N2302U for UA:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GEZIV

That's one of the unusual A319s with four overwing exits, isn't it? Presumably UA will deactivate two.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 1:09 am

atcsundevil wrote:
audidudi wrote:
On Friday EZ A319 G-EZIV ferried from LGW>QLA and will become N2302U for UA:

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/GEZIV

That's one of the unusual A319s with four overwing exits, isn't it? Presumably UA will deactivate two.

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 3:59 am

andrew1996 wrote:
wn676 wrote:
PhilMcCrackin wrote:
Anyone know what's driving all of the traffic to Guam?

Right now, I see three direct 777s enroute to Guam from LAX, HNL and SFO. I know Guam has a large US military presence, but this seems like a lot of lift for a little island when the leisure market is non-existent.


As others have mentioned, GUM is simply a place to exchange crews to avoid having layovers in countries with exceptionally strict entry requirements. Currently GUM serves as a stopover point for cargo-only flights between SFO-SIN, LAX-HKG, SFO-TPE, and LAX-PVG.

NRT was originally the sole stopover point for these operations but the combination of curfew and other operational constraints caused some of the flights to be routed over GUM.



Does the SIN flight change crew in Singapore or a same day turn around from GUM? It seems like other foregin airlines operating cargo flights into Sngapore change crews in Singapore? I originally thought it is stopping in GUM to carry more cargo out of SFO direct to SIN to avoid payload restriction or is there also cargo loaded on/off in GUM or just for the crew change?


The crew change is in GUM. GUM-SIN-GUM is flown as a turn with 4 pilots.
 
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United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 5:46 pm

Houston to:
Abilene - 2x daily flights from October 21
Chattanooga - 1x daily flight from October 1

Denver to:
Alamosa - up to 2x daily flights from October 1
Rochester (Minnesota) - 1x daily flight from October 1
Sioux City - 1x daily flight from October 14

All on the CRJ-200.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ai ... ati-texas/

Nice adds during COVID.
 
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:19 pm

Didn't UA already fly IAH CHA?
 
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:22 pm

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Didn't UA already fly IAH CHA?


I’m unsure if it was historically served, but CHA has been aiming for Houston service for several months: https://www.wrcbtv.com/story/41477875/c ... op-flights
 
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 6:48 pm

Is 4B done with DEN-ALS?
 
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:02 pm

Surprised IAH-ABI is a new route, didn't UA used to fly this route?
 
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 7:30 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Houston to:
Abilene - 2x daily flights from October 21
Chattanooga - 1x daily flight from October 1

All on the CRJ-200.

I guess it's a pretty safe bet that OO will be taking over all that IAH flying (as if it wasn't already).
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 8:19 pm

CriticalPoint wrote:
andrew1996 wrote:
wn676 wrote:

As others have mentioned, GUM is simply a place to exchange crews to avoid having layovers in countries with exceptionally strict entry requirements. Currently GUM serves as a stopover point for cargo-only flights between SFO-SIN, LAX-HKG, SFO-TPE, and LAX-PVG.

NRT was originally the sole stopover point for these operations but the combination of curfew and other operational constraints caused some of the flights to be routed over GUM.




Does the SIN flight change crew in Singapore or a same day turn around from GUM? It seems like other foregin airlines operating cargo flights into Sngapore change crews in Singapore? I originally thought it is stopping in GUM to carry more cargo out of SFO direct to SIN to avoid payload restriction or is there also cargo loaded on/off in GUM or just for the crew change?


The crew change is in GUM. GUM-SIN-GUM is flown as a turn with 4 pilots.


4 pilots—makes sense cause otherwise it seems far too long of a sector to be flown by 2. Is GUM used to load/unload cargo or serve as a intra Asia cargo hub or is it purely crew change? Could UA deliver cargo from say SIN to HKG via GUM?
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:20 pm

Looks like ROW will start seeing some more 772s arriving the next days. N225UA, N77006 & N77014 slated for ROW for storage. All were in long term parking. N77014 is the very last CO 777 with old diamond seats and if i recall is a leased plane. Think she will be retired?
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:29 pm

Im hoping the new routes means business is expanding somewhat in those regions.
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 9:57 pm

joeblow10 wrote:
Is 4B done with DEN-ALS?

Yes, OO is taking it over.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:28 pm

redrooster3 wrote:
Looks like ROW will start seeing some more 772s arriving the next days. N225UA, N77006 & N77014 slated for ROW for storage. All were in long term parking. N77014 is the very last CO 777 with old diamond seats and if i recall is a leased plane. Think she will be retired?


N77014 is the old Peter Max B777, that was the 1st aircraft I flew international on, IAH-LGW in 2004.
 
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Mon Aug 10, 2020 11:39 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Houston to:
Abilene - 2x daily flights from October 21
Chattanooga - 1x daily flight from October 1

Denver to:
Alamosa - up to 2x daily flights from October 1
Rochester (Minnesota) - 1x daily flight from October 1
Sioux City - 1x daily flight from October 14

All on the CRJ-200.

https://thepointsguy.com/news/united-ai ... ati-texas/

Nice adds during COVID.


ABI and RST are SCASD grants. There were some other cities which wanted service by United so I would expect to see those soon as well.
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:10 am

CanadianRedneck wrote:
Surprised IAH-ABI is a new route, didn't UA used to fly this route?


Certainly not for quite a while, if they ever did... Back in the late 2000s (which is when I really started following the industry) CO did fly to more Texas destinations from IAH, including DRT, VCT, BPT, and TYR (and maybe ACT?), but I only remember AA flying to ABI.
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:12 am

LightChop2Chop wrote:
Didn't UA already fly IAH CHA?


Not in the recent past... As far as Tennessee goes, UA served MEM, BNA, and TYS from IAH. They served CHA from ORD and IAD (and I think EWR for a short while before it was moved to IAD).
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Re: United Adds IAH-ABI/CHA, DEN-ALS/RST/SUX

Tue Aug 11, 2020 12:48 am

FSDan wrote:
CanadianRedneck wrote:
Surprised IAH-ABI is a new route, didn't UA used to fly this route?


Certainly not for quite a while, if they ever did... Back in the late 2000s (which is when I really started following the industry) CO did fly to more Texas destinations from IAH, including DRT, VCT, BPT, and TYR (and maybe ACT?), but I only remember AA flying to ABI.


UA dropped a few shorthaul TX routes when it ended Colgan SF3 flying out of IAH in 2012 or so. Some, like DRT, stuck around with ERJ service, but eventually those flights were withdrawn, too. TXK also comes to mind.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:15 pm

United posted a word search for new routes on their social media. I haven’t had the chance to look through it yet, lol. Let me know what you guys find!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:19 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
United posted a word search for new routes on their social media. I haven’t had the chance to look through it yet, lol. Let me know what you guys find!


DEN seems to be in there. Although I'm not sure if these are supposed to be new routes or resumed routes.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:24 pm

mkorpal333 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
United posted a word search for new routes on their social media. I haven’t had the chance to look through it yet, lol. Let me know what you guys find!


DEN seems to be in there. Although I'm not sure if these are supposed to be new routes or resumed routes.


I am also unsure of that because the wording is very funky.
 
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United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:27 pm

Interesting game to play to determine what is to come, one is IND

Looks like CMH, PIT, FLL, COS

How to play:

1. Find the 3-letter airport codes in the game.

2. Airport codes are formed in any direction from letters that adjoin horizontally, vertically or diagonally.

3. Letters may be used more than once, but not more than once within a single code.

https://twitter.com/united/status/1293581214914404357

Image
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:28 pm

I see FWA-DEN in there, which has been rumored for eons.


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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:32 pm

I'm curious if it's new routes or just resumptions. I see CMH, IAH, CLE, MCO, BOS, MKE etc.

I'll be upset if it's just, "hey, we're resuming CLE-MCO next month!" rather than a new route type deal. With CLE I don't know what else could be in there for new routes. UA seems to just enjoy the CLE-FL routes then only hubs.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:33 pm

I see IAH!
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:34 pm

I see BOS, BCN , TPA and CMH
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:35 pm

It is confirmed new routes. I also see NAP, EDI, BCN, CMH, BOS, MCO in there. Atleast 10 new routes also.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:35 pm

FWAERJ wrote:
I see FWA-DEN in there

No, you don’t.

From the OP:

“Airport codes are formed in any direction from letters that adjoin horizontally, vertically or diagonally.”
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:35 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
Interesting game to play to determine what is to come, one is IND

Looks like CMH, PIT, FLL, COS

How to play:

1. Find the 3-letter airport codes in the game.

2. Airport codes are formed in any direction from letters that adjoin horizontally, vertically or diagonally.

3. Letters may be used more than once, but not more than once within a single code.

https://twitter.com/united/status/1293581214914404357

Image


IND isn't adjoined like the others.

What could they be announcing right now when air travel is so down?
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:36 pm

TPA is there. CLE is there. BOS. ORD. BCN
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:38 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
mkorpal333 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
United posted a word search for new routes on their social media. I haven’t had the chance to look through it yet, lol. Let me know what you guys find!


DEN seems to be in there. Although I'm not sure if these are supposed to be new routes or resumed routes.


I am also unsure of that because the wording is very funky.


Looks like new according to their twitter response. Interesting.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:38 pm

These better be Pre COVID "new" routes...and not resumptions of service/routes.

Which in UA's defense, they have worded if it was a resumption or new service, even pre-covid.

Exciting news for UA, to see anything new during COVID.

Whether it's for them or not...

I see PAH, IND, COS, DEN, BOS, PIT

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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:40 pm

MHK?!?!
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:40 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Interesting game to play to determine what is to come, one is IND

Looks like CMH, PIT, FLL, COS

How to play:

1. Find the 3-letter airport codes in the game.

2. Airport codes are formed in any direction from letters that adjoin horizontally, vertically or diagonally.

3. Letters may be used more than once, but not more than once within a single code.

https://twitter.com/united/status/1293581214914404357

Image


IND isn't adjoined like the others.

What could they be announcing right now when air travel is so down?


https://twitter.com/INDairport/status/1 ... 42913?s=20
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:42 pm

atrude777 wrote:
These better be Pre COVID "new" routes...and not resumptions of service/routes.

Which in UA's defense, they have worded if it was a resumption or new service, even pre-covid.

Exciting news for UA, to see anything new during COVID.

Whether it's for them or not...

I see PAH, IND, COS, DEN, BOS, PIT

Alex


The rep on Twitter said new routes rather than resumption, so I'm pretty interested!
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:45 pm

I saw IAH too
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:46 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
Interesting game to play to determine what is to come, one is IND

Looks like CMH, PIT, FLL, COS

How to play:

1. Find the 3-letter airport codes in the game.

2. Airport codes are formed in any direction from letters that adjoin horizontally, vertically or diagonally.

3. Letters may be used more than once, but not more than once within a single code.

https://twitter.com/united/status/1293581214914404357

Image


IND isn't adjoined like the others.

What could they be announcing right now when air travel is so down?


https://twitter.com/INDairport/status/1 ... 42913?s=20


Ah, I see. I wonder if some of this is a massive LAX expansion where they add a bunch of midwest-LAX?
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:48 pm

BNAMealer wrote:
Midwestindy wrote:
BNAMealer wrote:

IND isn't adjoined like the others.

What could they be announcing right now when air travel is so down?


https://twitter.com/INDairport/status/1 ... 42913?s=20


Ah, I see. I wonder if some of this is a massive LAX expansion where they add a bunch of midwest-LAX?


Idk, LAX isn't in there and UA ran LAX-CLE, LAX-BOS pre-covid, so that wouldn't explain why CLE or BOS is in there.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:51 pm

FLL, CMH, CLE, PIT, MCO, TPA, LGA, & IND confirmed
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:52 pm

A few I spotted:

IAH
TPA
BOS
CLE
CMH
ORD

Service resumptions?

NAP (S21?)
EDI
BCN

Interesting... the SCASD grant/subsidized UAX routes added to the schedule for September launches (RST, SUX, ALS, etc.) are not included.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:54 pm

It has to be point 2 point Florida routes.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:54 pm

How many international airports have we found. I'm more interested in those. So far, I see HND, BCN, AKL. But I'm sure I'm missing quite a bit.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:56 pm

Read the rules, LGA and IND do not fit.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:58 pm

Boston to FLL, MCO, TPA and RSW will go nonstop.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 4:58 pm

Midwestindy wrote:
FLL, CMH, CLE, PIT, MCO, TPA, LGA, & IND confirmed


UA also confirmed double digit routes being announced and something about NAP...
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:00 pm

usflyer msp wrote:
Read the rules, LGA and IND do not fit.

Nothing in the rules say they need to be in a straight line.
 
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Re: United route announcement August 12, 2020

Wed Aug 12, 2020 5:02 pm

This was posted 2hrs ago...

https://airlinegeeks.com/2020/08/12/uni ... ew-routes/

Most of the city codes in that article aren’t in the word scramble... so who knows what they could announce
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