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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:16 pm

EWR-OGG is 4903 miles... 4903 appears in the video
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:18 pm

I see IAH too, its in the clue collage, on the right edge near the middle!
https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:19 pm

Hoping for EWR-HAM but I fear this will not happen before the XLR arrives, also AA and DL just canceled a lot of Germany flying.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:20 pm

In the bottom middle of the collage board there is an overhead shot of what appears to be the Lotus Temple in New Delhi, India. Wonder if there is new service headed there from a hub?
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:27 pm

Man I wish DL and AA announced teasers like this.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:31 pm

SonaSounds wrote:
In the bottom middle of the collage board there is an overhead shot of what appears to be the Lotus Temple in New Delhi, India. Wonder if there is new service headed there from a hub?


I was wondering what that was. Would be interesting if IAH jumped in.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:34 pm

SonaSounds wrote:
At 0:31 there is a terminal front with 767-300ER written over it.....anyone know what airport that is?


It's EWR with the 234 in the photo
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:35 pm

AVENSAB727 wrote:
I see IAH too, its in the clue collage, on the right edge near the middle!
https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1


What’s the time stamp on that?
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:37 pm

While I can see them circle the Elizabeth NJ, I think people are reading way too much into this...
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:40 pm

Reopening of service to LGW
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:41 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
I see IAH too, its in the clue collage, on the right edge near the middle!
https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1


What’s the time stamp on that?

It was posted at 3:55
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:41 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
I see IAH too, its in the clue collage, on the right edge near the middle!
https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1


What’s the time stamp on that?


Think he is referring the the collage

https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1

https://www.facebook.com/United/photos/ ... 05/?type=3
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:41 pm

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Reopening of service to LGW


would love that. I always felt at a minimum a 752 EWR-LGW could have been maintained.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:44 pm

Damnn yall are good. I paused at the following time stamps and came up with the following:

0:42 = Map covering the lower half of South America and South Africa
0:40 = Circle around EWR
0:39 = Old United and CO branding. Maybe an old route that was dropped at the merger?
0:36 = Map of LAX
0:32 = List of cities (Antwerp, Baghdad, Baku, Baltimore, Bamako, Bangkok, some place in Brunei)
0:27= Some airport I dont know
0:24 = pin near Evanston?
0:21 - 767 in SF?
0:16 = My eyes immediately picked out Vienna (but its part of a map of Washington, IAD-Vienna?)
0:15 = Map of Africa
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 10:47 pm

SonaSounds wrote:
LAXdude1023 wrote:
AVENSAB727 wrote:
I see IAH too, its in the clue collage, on the right edge near the middle!
https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1


What’s the time stamp on that?


Think he is referring the the collage

https://twitter.com/united/status/13034 ... 73/photo/1

https://www.facebook.com/United/photos/ ... 05/?type=3

I wasjust saying what I see on the collage board not the video.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:01 pm

Based on what everyone has compiled, here is what I think it is:

ORD-BOG(makes sense because Avianca doesn't' operate to ORD and also the clue about the individual typing the letter B makes sense)
SFO-LIM(Alpaca/Llama Clue and BKK doesn't make much sense to me)
IAD-LIM(IAD has told people to guess a singular route and Lima makes the most sense, Vienna could be a possibility, but not when it hasn't been launched from EWR yet)
EWR-OGG(Confirmed based on y'all's problem solving about 4803)
EWR-ACC(Based on UA's response to tweets, this seems confirmed)
EWR-SCL(One clue from Scott Kirby about hiking tallest mountain in South America)
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:04 pm

I see Lotus Temple in that image, which is located in Delhi. But if I'm not wrong United fly to DEL already (?). So could we see a new Indian route? EWR-BLR/MAA/HYD or something?
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:04 pm

Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here are my guesses most likely they are all wrong.

EWR-GIG or EZE
EWR-VIE
SFO-BKK
SFO-GRU
LAX-GRU
IAD-LIM
ORD-LIM


I would swap GIG for CNF, as the latter is a hub for Azul which is the United partner in Brazil.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:04 pm

In the collage from Twitter, is that MNL on the far right in the middle on the edge?
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Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:12 pm

Republishing to meet forum guidelines. If you responded earlier, please feel free to repost your comments.

Originally published in the Houston Chronicle, which is where you can find the maps and embedded links.
https://blog.chron.com/opportunityurban ... a-new-hub/

Text: (missing many embedded links - better to read at the link above)

I'm a bit of an amateur aviation nerd going back to my McKinsey days, and I had a random crazy thought this week: United has a ton of planes and crews sitting around doing nothing right now during the pandemic - they could literally create an instant hub somewhere if they wanted to (assuming they could get the gates). But where?

United actually has well-positioned hubs covering most major domestic and international regions. But they do lack good coverage in the southeastern US like Delta does from Atlanta (world's largest hub) and American does from Charlotte. Additionally, Houston serves as a great United hub to Latin America for the central and western US, but is not geographically well-positioned for serving the eastern US the way American is with its hub in Miami. Is there somewhere United could establish a hub that does some combination of what Charlotte and Miami do for American?

The pandemic has made this even more important, as the rise of remote work is driving a huge migration from the north to Florida and even the Caribbean. United sensed this migration early and quickly established a wide range of non-hub flights to better serve Florida. And no matter what you think about the future of the pandemic, remote work has now been absolutely normalized.

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But where should they go if they want to take this first step to the next level and actually establish a new hub? A few options can be quickly eliminated:
  • Atlanta and Charlotte are already taken by Delta and American respectively
  • Raleigh-Durham is too close to IAD Washington DC Dulles (already a United hub)
  • Miami is already an AA hub facing increasing competition from Delta and Southwest
  • Fort Lauderdale and Orlando have incredible amounts of low-fare competition from Southwest, JetBlue, Spirit, Frontier, and others.
  • Fort Meyers is too small to support a hub (679,000 MSA population) as is Jacksonville (1.5m)

The really intriguing alternative that remains: Tampa. The Tampa Bay metro area has a population of 3.2 million, the 18th-largest metro in the country - larger than Denver, Charlotte, or Salt Lake City which all support substantial hubs. It's also one of the fastest-growing (nearby Lakeland as well), and has manageable low-fare competition. The housing is far more affordable than the Miami area. It's also about an hour from Walt Disney World, the largest tourist attraction in the country (soon to be connected by the Brightline train). And it's not just tourists - there are plenty of business travelers as well (United's core market). Tampa has been steadily growing its corporate presence - especially financial - and it's the center of Florida's High Tech Corridor.

A friend of mine threw together some potential United route maps from a Tampa hub (hat tip to Daniel!).

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Domestic + Bahamas

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International

As you can see, it's much better geographically from the eastern US to the Caribbean and Latin America than Houston is. Would it cannibalize traffic from IAH? Based on American's service to the same region from DFW and Miami (the equivalent of United's IAH and Tampa), we don't think so. DFW has Latin service nearly as comprehensive as IAH despite American's Miami hub. The two hubs actually reinforce and support each other and give American a dominant position in Latin America. United could challenge that dominance with a combination of Houston, Tampa, and Newark/NYC.

Florida is the third-largest state in the country at 22 million and growing fast. United needs a strong presence there to match its strength in other top five states like California (38m), Texas (28m), New York (20m), and Illinois (13m). A hub (or at least a strong focus city) in Tampa is the best strategic option for them to tap that market. This pandemic will reshuffle the airline pecking order - why play defense when they can seize the initiative and fill a long-standing and growing gap in their route network while also putting more planes and crews to work?
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:26 pm

Hey I've heard the SFO-BKK and SFO-MNL rumors. MNL has a higher chance though with more J traffic. Other maybes are EWR-JNB-CPT-EWR like Delta and in Europe EWR-VIE.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:31 pm

A3501041 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here are my guesses most likely they are all wrong.

EWR-GIG or EZE
EWR-VIE
SFO-BKK
SFO-GRU
LAX-GRU
IAD-LIM
ORD-LIM


I would swap GIG for CNF, as the latter is a hub for Azul which is the United partner in Brazil.


Rio is a much more powerful city at the global stage than Belo Horizonte. It is like comparing Miami with Saint Louis. IIRC there is no nonstop NYC-GIG, after DL apparently ended the route permanently this year.

Coming to think of it EWR-GIG may actually be more plausible than EWR-SCL; the latter is served by LA from JFK.
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:36 pm

I can say I agree with you. At one point United was in the process of building a hub in South Florida at MIA. where we had a number of South American routes. I don't know what really happened but what I remember was that American decided to build a new hub there and MIA wanted to raise the rents and fees for Everybody else to help pay for American's new terminal and facilities to which United said "screw that" and Broke down the operation at MIA, and moved the flights all over the place. After the CO merger, CO had a station at TPA and it was a good one. Slowly? United has seen the wisdom of a South Florida operation So hopefully? They'll once again consider a Hub in South Florida. As it's the only corner of the USA we haven't built one build one in. SEA would have been a dandy hub had Politics not gotten into the mix after we bought the Pan AM Pacific division. United had the makings of a hub at SEA as we were flying SEA-HKG and SEA- NRT. And? quite nicely too..
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:41 pm

panam330 wrote:
I’m not sure if there’s anything specific in the teaser about the Philippines, but I’m willing to bet since they’re going hard after VFR traffic now, SFO-MNL could be one! I’d love to see it happen.


ScottB wrote:
SonaSounds wrote:
Any ideas what it is going to be?


Well, based on the list of destinations on the phone in the video, as well as several images of SFO, I'm going to venture a guess of SFO-BKK to try to grab some leisure travel. 787-9 of course.


Going by twitter where they're saying its largely new routes. BKK and MNL are low yield VFR and is extremely unlikely with minimal business demand to subsidise the high VFR (and tourist) traffic to both cities.

Both cities would've been candidates had UA had a long-haul LCC to serve the low yielding, tourist/VFR, low fare nature of markets like BKK and MNL.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:43 pm

Sure would love for IAH to be involved, but unless they’re opening a new city in Latin America, I don’t see it.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:53 pm

LAXdude1023 wrote:
Sure would love for IAH to be involved, but unless they’re opening a new city in Latin America, I don’t see it.

I do think UA could make India work from Houston. I worked as a CSA for TK/LH and all airlines in D had tons of India-boind passengers across all fare classes.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Tue Sep 08, 2020 11:53 pm

What if the MNL route is HNL-MNL? Strong local demand from HNL plus connections from SFO and LAX? Shorter too (5302 vs 6987 from SFO per Great Circle Mapper).
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:09 am

A real dark horse for the tropical weather destination in my opinion is SFO-DPS. Bali was a hotspot prior to COVID and it wouldn't shock me if it went back to that. I think SFO-BKK is still way more likely, but I wouldn't be completely shocked by SFO-DPS.
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:09 am

I think UA is just a bit too late to the party. The TPA/PIE area is chock full of low fare competition like MCO and FLL. If UA has the desire to create a SE to Caribbean gateway, they might as well go full speed and fight it out in FLL or MIA and make a play for the O&D traffic.

If the thought is to build up a SE hub, the only good (and not really that good) option is to try and set up shop with something small in ATL, like TWA did in the 90s. Of course Delta will have none of that and to a lesser extent, Southwest.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:11 am

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I would suspect IAH-ACC might be one of them. I keep seeing Ghana flag colors.


I kept seeing this ass well. I;m going to guess the return of IAD-ACC-LOS and a new EWR-JNB flight due to the pending demise of South African.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:12 am

I would love for it to be SFO-BKK, but my guess is EWR-VIE
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:14 am

LAXdude1023 wrote:
kavok wrote:
Lots of ORD, SFO, and EWR hints.

I am going with:
SFO-BKK
ORD-BOM
ORD-EZE
EWR-ACC


If UA couldnt make EWR-EZE work in good times, its hard to imagine ORD-EZE working in bad ones.


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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:18 am

VictorKilo wrote:
What if the MNL route is HNL-MNL? Strong local demand from HNL plus connections from SFO and LAX? Shorter too (5302 vs 6987 from SFO per Great Circle Mapper).


It's possible, but IMO not sure if UA are willing to compete with the flag carrier PR on MNL-HNL which has a large Tourist (and some VFR) base on the route.
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:18 am

I would argue BNA or RDU is the better choice. They desperately need a southeast hub. Go after the southeast while DL is down. United can quickly recall furloughed employees as needed. Delta offered so many early retirement packages and retired so many aircraft that they are a skeleton of their former operation.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:22 am

Irehdna wrote:
A3501041 wrote:
Nicknuzzii wrote:
Here are my guesses most likely they are all wrong.

EWR-GIG or EZE
EWR-VIE
SFO-BKK
SFO-GRU
LAX-GRU
IAD-LIM
ORD-LIM


I would swap GIG for CNF, as the latter is a hub for Azul which is the United partner in Brazil.


Rio is a much more powerful city at the global stage than Belo Horizonte. It is like comparing Miami with Saint Louis. IIRC there is no nonstop NYC-GIG, after DL apparently ended the route permanently this year.

Coming to think of it EWR-GIG may actually be more plausible than EWR-SCL; the latter is served by LA from JFK.


Sure, Rio is far more important and powerful than Belo Horizonte is. But the connectivity available for United in CNF through its partnership with Azul is bigger than in GIG (Azul left GIG for SDU a few months ago). Rio is in crisis, GIG is losing domestic connectivity and CNF can easily provide it.
Belo Horizonte metro area is the third bigger in Brazil. AA used to fly daily MIA-CNF, as well as TAM. Azul fly daily to Florida, split between FLL and MCO, both suspended due to the pandemic. There is a considerable market to be served without any significant competition. I think a IAH-CNF would be very feasible.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:23 am

A3501041 wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
A3501041 wrote:

I would swap GIG for CNF, as the latter is a hub for Azul which is the United partner in Brazil.


Rio is a much more powerful city at the global stage than Belo Horizonte. It is like comparing Miami with Saint Louis. IIRC there is no nonstop NYC-GIG, after DL apparently ended the route permanently this year.

Coming to think of it EWR-GIG may actually be more plausible than EWR-SCL; the latter is served by LA from JFK.


Sure, Rio is far more important and powerful than Belo Horizonte is. But the connectivity available for United in CNF through its partnership with Azul is bigger than in GIG (Azul left GIG for SDU a few months ago). Rio is in crisis, GIG is losing domestic connectivity and CNF can easily provide it.


Any new destination in Latin America or Brazil (Caribbean excluded) would be launched from IAH. That’s why I think if it’s Latin, it must be expansions from existing destinations.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:31 am

SCFlyer wrote:

Going by twitter where they're saying its largely new routes. BKK and MNL are low yield VFR and is extremely unlikely with minimal business demand to subsidise the high VFR (and tourist) traffic to both cities.

Both cities would've been candidates had UA had a long-haul LCC to serve the low yielding, tourist/VFR, low fare nature of markets like BKK and MNL.


This may come as a shock to you, but there is no more business demand anywhere....
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:32 am

I saw a lot of clues related to Africa, but also South America. Also, while many UA hubs were represented, I saw a lot of EWR. I'm guessing EWR to S America or Africa. Gonna go all-in and say EWR-NBO!
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:32 am

TTailedTiger wrote:
I would argue BNA or RDU is the better choice. They desperately need a southeast hub. Go after the southeast while DL is down. United can quickly recall furloughed employees as needed. Delta offered so many early retirement packages and retired so many aircraft that they are a skeleton of their former operation.


RDU is just too close to IAD - way too much overlap. BNA has too much overlap with ORD, IAH, and IAD - as well as having way too much low fare competition and not being helpful at all for east coast to the Caribbean or Latin America. TPA may seem too far south, but most of the southeastern population is along the coasts, and it's located very reasonably to connect Gulf coast destinations to Atlantic coast ones. It can be a fairly effective hybrid of what AA does with CLT+MIA.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:35 am

CAI, ABJ, and EZE are all being thrown out on Twitter. EWR-CAI or IAD-ABJ are possibilities, UA just recently cut EWR-EZE, so I don't really see anything from EZE.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:37 am

N292UX wrote:
CAI, ABJ, and EZE are all being thrown out on Twitter. EWR-CAI or IAD-ABJ are possibilities, UA just recently cut EWR-EZE, so I don't really see anything from EZE.


I was debating between NBO and CAI for my guess. That's also a good one!
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:42 am

HouStrategies wrote:
TTailedTiger wrote:
I would argue BNA or RDU is the better choice. They desperately need a southeast hub. Go after the southeast while DL is down. United can quickly recall furloughed employees as needed. Delta offered so many early retirement packages and retired so many aircraft that they are a skeleton of their former operation.


RDU is just too close to IAD - way too much overlap. BNA has too much overlap with ORD, IAH, and IAD - as well as having way too much low fare competition and not being helpful at all for east coast to the Caribbean or Latin America. TPA may seem too far south, but most of the southeastern population is along the coasts, and it's located very reasonably to connect Gulf coast destinations to Atlantic coast ones. It can be a fairly effective hybrid of what AA does with CLT+MIA.


Obviously IAD would be considerably downsized to just flights that can be filled with O/D if they made a go for RDU. United has tried so many things to make IAD work over the years but nothing ever has. That's why they are still in a "temporary" terminal built nearly 40 years ago. I can't fly within the southeast on UA and that is a big problem.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:44 am

N292UX wrote:
CAI, ABJ, and EZE are all being thrown out on Twitter. EWR-CAI or IAD-ABJ are possibilities, UA just recently cut EWR-EZE, so I don't really see anything from EZE.

Argentina has been in an inflation crisis since pre pandemic. I wouldn't be surprised to see SCL emerge as the more preferred destination than EZE among both US and EU carriers.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:45 am

sand26391 wrote:
I see Lotus Temple in that image, which is located in Delhi. But if I'm not wrong United fly to DEL already (?). So could we see a new Indian route? EWR-BLR/MAA/HYD or something?

Maybe ORD-DEL or IAD-DEL
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:52 am

I have a lot of friends in network planning and other corporate positions at United who’ve recently lost their jobs due to covid. Something like 1/3 if their management positions gone. Pretty terrible timing for a vanity video like this to be produced
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:58 am

jasoncrh wrote:
I have a lot of friends in network planning and other corporate positions at United who’ve recently lost their jobs due to covid. Something like 1/3 if their management positions gone. Pretty terrible timing for a vanity video like this to be produced


There’s some reality for the rest of you.

We’re all lusting for new routes like it’s 2019 and in reality I’m disappointed in UA for doing this in this way. There is no celebration in anything in this time.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 12:59 am

Lot of people saying Spain too. IIRC, there was some chatter a while back about UA starting EWR-Seville SVQ, maybe that is one of the new routes launched.

EWR-GYE is being tossed around, and IAD-LIM is also seeming rather close to a lock. EWR-VIE/OGG seem like near locks at this point.

Scott Kirby commented on the post on Instagram and said: "Am I allowed to offer a clue? I will anyway. Hint: I’ve hiked a lot of mountains but the tallest peak on only one continent.."

The highest mountain in South America is located near Mendoza, Argentina... IAH-MDZ? More likely something like IAD/ORD-EZE. Some people are saying Kilimanjaro or Dar Es Salaam from EWR but I don't see that happening. The highest mountain Europe is in Russia, but I don't see them adding back DME either.

There's a lot of hints toward Africa but Dar Es Salaam? That'd be an all-time shocker. I don't see it happening.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:00 am

jasoncrh wrote:
I have a lot of friends in network planning and other corporate positions at United who’ve recently lost their jobs due to covid. Something like 1/3 if their management positions gone. Pretty terrible timing for a vanity video like this to be produced


It's not a "vanity video" - it's marketing. They have a business to continue running despite these misfortunes related to Covid. There isn't a specific "mourning period" that they need to honor before they can continue on with the day to day operations. Selling flights is their business and good marketing helps to that effect.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:03 am

santi319 wrote:
SCFlyer wrote:

Going by twitter where they're saying its largely new routes. BKK and MNL are low yield VFR and is extremely unlikely with minimal business demand to subsidise the high VFR (and tourist) traffic to both cities.

Both cities would've been candidates had UA had a long-haul LCC to serve the low yielding, tourist/VFR, low fare nature of markets like BKK and MNL.


This may come as a shock to you, but there is no more business demand anywhere....


I work at AirFrance and while you are correct Int'l business travel is down big time, we are still seeing reasonable loads in La Premiere. I realize UA has no F Class Int'l cabins, but at the moment the majority of those able to travels are either the super rich at full fare or the super have-to at the lowest price possible!
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 1:05 am

Most marketing pieces don’t have videos of the international network planning vp giving a faux seductive wink at the audience. Market the new destination through the channels once announced. This video is vanity and unneeded in this moment and rather tone deaf

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jasoncrh wrote:
I have a lot of friends in network planning and other corporate positions at United who’ve recently lost their jobs due to covid. Something like 1/3 if their management positions gone. Pretty terrible timing for a vanity video like this to be produced


It's not a "vanity video" - it's marketing. They have a business to continue running despite these misfortunes related to Covid. There isn't a specific "mourning period" that they need to honor before they can continue on with the day to day operations. Selling flights is their business and good marketing helps to that effect.[/quote]

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