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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:18 pm

Cointrin330 wrote:
UA served ACC before, from IAD. Not sure about LOS or if it was just from IAH. UA had planned to launch ORD-DEL in the late 1990s with the 747-400 but it never happened. Not sure if it was a range issue, or something else.

UA had IAD-ACC/LOS and those got cut shortly after the merger. IAH-LOS got cut a few years after.

Disappointed to see IAH not get anything this round, but I'm happy to see UA thinking out of the box and being competitive!
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:19 pm

DL will feel the heat on the EWR - JNB route. DL might want to consider getting a plane that can fly non-stop from JNB to ATL now that the 777's are gone (or will be soon). Not many people will want to make multiple stops returning to the states.

Delta: JNB - CPT - ATL - XXX
UA: JNB - EWR - XXX
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:20 pm

Wow - two carriers flying US-BLR. Seems like one will be likely be run off sooner than later, but maybe I'm wrong
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:21 pm

lga31vfr wrote:
DL will feel the heat on the EWR - JNB route. DL might want to consider getting a plane that can fly non-stop from JNB to ATL now that the 777's are gone (or will be soon). Not many people will want to make multiple stops returning to the states.


I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:22 pm

bravotango75 wrote:
Looks like you IAH FBs got hosed again.


Considering we werent expecting anything and nothing was launched to Latin America, we dont feel hosed. If anything its nice to have more options. Being hosed would be reducing flights at IAH at a higher rate relative to other hubs but that has not been the case.

But then again this all about your obsession with Houston and the competition you feel between Houston and Boston that no one else cares about.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:24 pm

Irehdna wrote:
SFO-BLR. A route first rumoured by KF and AI in the mid 2000s but not official until nearly 15 years later. Congrats to UA! Curious to see if AI US flights can survive into 2021; they have competition on every route now.

AI will (most likely) reduce frequency on SFO but it will be interesting to see what impact this has on EK
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:26 pm

Irehdna wrote:
lga31vfr wrote:
DL will feel the heat on the EWR - JNB route. DL might want to consider getting a plane that can fly non-stop from JNB to ATL now that the 777's are gone (or will be soon). Not many people will want to make multiple stops returning to the states.


I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.


Can DL's 359 make it NS JNB-JFK?

Regardless, these are all fantastic additions. UA is definitely the international champion of flying.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:26 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Anyone else feel like this may ironically be more historic than their "historic" announcement back in December 2018?


Yeah... I'll go with this.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:26 pm

From Washington Dulles:
- 3x weekly Accra on the 787-8 beginning Spring 2021
- 3x weekly Lagos on the 787-8 beginning Spring 2021

From Newark:
- Daily Johannesburg on the 787-8 beginning Spring 2021
- 4x weekly Kaluhui on the 767-300ER beginning Summer 2021

From San Francisco:
- Daily Bangalore on the 787-9 beginning Spring 2021

From Chicago:
- 4x weekly Kona on the 787-8 beginning Spring 2021
- Daily New Delhi on the 787-9 beginning Winter 2020

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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:28 pm

TWA772LR wrote:
Cointrin330 wrote:
UA served ACC before, from IAD. Not sure about LOS or if it was just from IAH. UA had planned to launch ORD-DEL in the late 1990s with the 747-400 but it never happened. Not sure if it was a range issue, or something else.

UA had IAD-ACC/LOS and those got cut shortly after the merger. IAH-LOS got cut a few years after.

Disappointed to see IAH not get anything this round, but I'm happy to see UA thinking out of the box and being competitive!


It was actually IAD-ACC-LOS because the PMUA crews refused to overnight in Lagos.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:28 pm

lga31vfr wrote:
Can DL's 359 make it NS JNB-JFK?

Regardless, these are all fantastic additions. UA is definitely the international champion of flying.


SAA made JNB-JFK work on he 359 last winter (for the brief period of time they operated them).
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:30 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
772 Domestic A and 4 E units (219-222) Stored: ROW 7, ORD 2, SFO 1, - Flying/short term parked: 13, usually 10-13, flying daily.


Just thinking about the 772A's. How long will they stick around with so many other a/c grounded? Where do they fall in terms of fuel efficiency? Just thinking about the terrible passenger experience on a flight like ORD>OGG for 9 hours. How would that compare to the 78J in terms of trip cost? 78J could do more cargo too. From a consumer perspective, if you are a Midwest/East Coast flyer and can connect to a 772A in ORD or DEN vs. a AA reconfigured 772 via DFW, it's a stark comparison in the experiences, not to mention the class of services offered. (same goes for HNL flights).

I know UA reconfigured one 772A unit with PTV's and a few more lie flat IPTE seats to help improve the passenger experience. Due to $$ constraints, that is on hold. Would it ever start back up or just run these for a few years and retire them now?
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:31 pm

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HouStrategies wrote:
The really intriguing alternative that remains: Tampa. The Tampa Bay metro area has a population of 3.2 million, the 18th-largest metro in the country - larger than Denver, Charlotte, or Salt Lake City which all support substantial hubs.


Neither DEN, CLT, or SLC have a major international airport 85 miles to their northeast, or a regional airport 60 miles due south.

TPA does.


DEN has COS right about 60 miles due south. CLT has GSP and GSO within about 75 miles. SLC is more isolated but there's some service at PVU.

Still, the larger point remains in that the traffic leaks toward DEN, CLT, and SLC. Some of the RSW traffic definitely leaks toward TPA, but some TPA traffic doubtlessly leaks toward MCO and the huge number of flights and low fare seats offered there.

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The really intriguing alternative that remains: Tampa. The Tampa Bay metro area has a population of 3.2 million, the 18th-largest metro in the country - larger than Denver, Charlotte, or Salt Lake City which all support substantial hubs. It's also one of the fastest-growing (nearby Lakeland as well), and has manageable low-fare competition. The housing is far more affordable than the Miami area. It's also about an hour from Walt Disney World, the largest tourist attraction in the country (soon to be connected by the Brightline train). And it's not just tourists - there are plenty of business travelers as well (United's core market). Tampa has been steadily growing its corporate presence - especially financial - and it's the center of Florida's High Tech Corridor.


As has been pointed out repeatedly already, Tampa lacks the geography for domestic connecting traffic that the other three cities you mention all have. This means we're really looking at a hub connecting domestic markets to Latin America and the Caribbean. There are two problems with the proposal.

1) It's largely redundant for UA so they'd be cannibalizing some of their own traffic. IAH works just fine as a connecting point for about 2/3 of the country geographically. IAD is a perfectly good connecting point for the upper midwest and northeast to these markets, so really all that's new traffic for UA is southeast to international markets.

2) TPA demand to those markets is far smaller than from MIA or ATL. The O&D side of the proposal is weak and the flights will be even more reliant on connecting traffic than AA or DL. A high cost airline running a small hub for low yield traffic will get crushed.

Also, I'm not sure why you highlight housing costs versus Miami. Are you making a point about disposable income? Miami appears to have higher per capita GDP so without researching it further I'm not sure there's any advantage here for Tampa.

Florida's High Tech Corridor isn't Silicon Valley. It's a grand sounding name attached to an economic development initiative not dissimilar to what most other states have set up.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:35 pm

Irehdna wrote:
lga31vfr wrote:
Can DL's 359 make it NS JNB-JFK?

Regardless, these are all fantastic additions. UA is definitely the international champion of flying.


SAA made JNB-JFK work on he 359 last winter (for the brief period of time they operated them).

Also if UA can operate JNB-EWR nonstop on the 789 the A359 should perform no worse on JNB-JFK.

It’s getting the A350 the extra 400 nm to ATL nonstop from JNB that is a challenge.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:40 pm

cynlb wrote:
Maybe they should make the announcement like a gender reveal party

Without starting any fires.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:41 pm

Anyone know when these will be for sale?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:45 pm

Dang. Bold adds!

Nicely done by UA.
2020: SFO DFW IAH HOU CLT MEX BIS MIA GUA ORD DTW LGA BOS LHR DUB BFS BHD STN OAK PHL ISP JFK SJC DEN SJU LAS TXL GDL
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:50 pm

Coalways wrote:
Great way of marketing especially during this time! My guesses

LAX-TLV
IAD-ACC
EWR-OGG
IAH-South America
SFO-Bali

Not sure of the other 2


Agreed, great marketing, especially for aviation geeks like us and for the “civilians” during the time of restricted travelling.

I agree with all of the above but I can’t see Bali, given the pandemic, there are heavy restrictions to enter Bali.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:55 pm

The 789 is gonna very interesting from JNB-EWR, We know the A359 has a bit more range and also more thrust and wing which is a huge advantage at altitude.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:57 pm

So, two routes to backfill for South African, two premium leisure routes to Hawaii, plus a large expansion to India. And Lagos in large part for Oil and Gas in Houston (one has to believe it will be an IAH-IAD-LOS same plane service).
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Wed Sep 09, 2020 3:58 pm

Alias1024 wrote:
Also, I'm not sure why you highlight housing costs versus Miami. Are you making a point about disposable income? Miami appears to have higher per capita GDP so without researching it further I'm not sure there's any advantage here for Tampa.


National migration patterns are heading to lower-cost areas. When northerners are picking where to go, MIA/FLL area is much more expensive than TPA.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:03 pm

Irehdna wrote:
lga31vfr wrote:
DL will feel the heat on the EWR - JNB route. DL might want to consider getting a plane that can fly non-stop from JNB to ATL now that the 777's are gone (or will be soon). Not many people will want to make multiple stops returning to the states.


I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.


U.S. airlines are only allowed 21 flights a week between U.S. and ZA.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:05 pm

dmstorm22 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
San Francisco to Bangalore
Newark to Kaluhui and Johannesburg
Washington to Accra and Lagos
Chicago to Kona and Delhi

https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1 ... 3300747264

Amazing.


God bless and Good luck to United. Who even knows if some of these are allowed to run (or passengers are allowed to enter without massive quarantine restrictions) when they want to start

Confused by the JNB flight, I guess I'll need to read the full report if this has any impact on the EWR-CPT route which from what I understood did quite well last winter season. Also to start it in spring is interesting, when the liesure traffic dries up.

I’m with you brother. This smells of build and it might come, but probably won’t. Well I hope it works. The BKK guess made more sense to me.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:05 pm

Irehdna wrote:
lga31vfr wrote:
DL will feel the heat on the EWR - JNB route. DL might want to consider getting a plane that can fly non-stop from JNB to ATL now that the 777's are gone (or will be soon). Not many people will want to make multiple stops returning to the states.


I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.


U.S. airlines are only allowed 21 flights a week between U.S. and ZA.

I wonder if AA rushes to apply for the last four (or competitively seeks to take 7 and makes it a competition) in a case of FOMO.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:06 pm

Very nice adds.

Will be interesting to see how DL replies on JNB / CPT ... and if AA might also consider South Africa, but then from which hub ... MIA ?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:06 pm

SAA isn’t coming back anytime soon. UA is smart like DL flying to the Christian countries in West Africa and South Africa. I also wonder if they can make JNB - EWR with a decent payload on the 789 as DL thinks it can’t take full payload on the A359 on JNB - ATL forcing a tech stop in CPT! Also can the 789 make ORD-BOM? What about SFO-BOM as BLR is farther.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:13 pm

For as conservative as UA has been through the pandemic, this seems extra aggressive. Very risky marketing, but I dig it. Get folks excited during this downturn, create a drumbeat of positive news (leading on the change fees), hope for the borders to reopen by next spring. It's a roll of the dice for sure but it could pay off.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:15 pm

MAH4546 wrote:
Irehdna wrote:
lga31vfr wrote:
DL will feel the heat on the EWR - JNB route. DL might want to consider getting a plane that can fly non-stop from JNB to ATL now that the 777's are gone (or will be soon). Not many people will want to make multiple stops returning to the states.


I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.


U.S. airlines are only allowed 21 flights a week between U.S. and ZA.

I wonder if AA rushes to apply for the last four (or competitively seeks to take 7 and makes it a competition) in a case of FOMO.


Where would AA fly from? PHL?
2020: SFO DFW IAH HOU CLT MEX BIS MIA GUA ORD DTW LGA BOS LHR DUB BFS BHD STN OAK PHL ISP JFK SJC DEN SJU LAS TXL GDL
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:18 pm

Antarius wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Irehdna wrote:

I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.


U.S. airlines are only allowed 21 flights a week between U.S. and ZA.

I wonder if AA rushes to apply for the last four (or competitively seeks to take 7 and makes it a competition) in a case of FOMO.


Where would AA fly from? PHL?


JFK as part of the JetBlue partnership.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:22 pm

Ishrion wrote:
Antarius wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:

U.S. airlines are only allowed 21 flights a week between U.S. and ZA.

I wonder if AA rushes to apply for the last four (or competitively seeks to take 7 and makes it a competition) in a case of FOMO.


Where would AA fly from? PHL?


JFK as part of the JetBlue partnership.


Ah - could be. Forgot about that.
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:24 pm

rnav2dlrey wrote:
SFO-BLR will print money for UA. prior threads have detailed how technically challenging the route is, but the 789 once again shows how capable it can be.


UA did LAX-SIN with 789 (albeit limited payload on the westbound leg) and that was through the brutal pacific winds. SFO-BLR would be mostly a polar route, so should be not much of a problem for the 789. PER-LHR is 260nm longer and QF have been doing that for a while. They do seat 21 fewer people though.

Considering the aggressive expansion in BLR by the large companies (accelerated by Covid even more), this route should print money. Although most tech companies only allow Y/PY travel these days.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:24 pm

Love to see adds like these. As commercial aviation enthusiasts, we had dedicated special fleets (CRJ550, 767 super-premium, new types, etc) and many new P2P/ULH right up until covid. Airlines will no doubt make announcements and then adjustments, but the well run airlines will position themselves for success in future. Those are long thin routes for Hawaii, cool adds.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:25 pm

x1234 wrote:
UA is smart like DL flying to the Christian countries in West Africa and South Africa.


I don't think religion has anything to do with it. The transport demand is tied to oil/gas development and VFR (from a very short list of U.S. origins). We're not talking Easter trips to The Vatican.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:25 pm

DylanHarvey wrote:
The 789 is gonna very interesting from JNB-EWR, We know the A359 has a bit more range and also more thrust and wing which is a huge advantage at altitude.



The nautical mile difference between JNB-EWR is 6943nm, JNB-EWR is 7334nm miles. I'm not sure how much of a difference that would make in terms of required fuel. Also we know from Delta employees Delta moves a lot of cargo out of JNB, we will have to see if UA tries to pick up a cargo contract or two, or if this flight will operate with just passengers and bags only out of JNB.

I think UA is jumping on this route because of South African Airways departure left a void and I'm guessing UA wanted to jump on it and plug up the opening before Delta.

As far as the rest of the announcement I'm excited and pleased. I'm excited to see United get back into ACC/LOC with the right aircraft!!! The last time UA operated IAD-Africa they were on 763s and before the routes even launched people knew the 763 was the wrong aircraft for those routes. Those flights (inbound and outbound) were weight restricted everyday. The 788 will do great on these routes out of IAD.

The seasonal additions of ORD-KOA (long over due) and EWR-OGG are great.

For years now we have been hearing UA is looking at a new destination within India and every time I thought UA would pull the trigger they would announce another route and leave India out. Finally UA is pulling the trigger with BLR. I was hoping for ORD-BOM but ORD-India has been talked about for years now it is good to see UA announce ORD-DEL.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:32 pm

Really like the EWR-JNB decision, fills the Star void immediately.

I originally predicted DL would try JFK-JNB when they retired the 77L as I had a hunch SAA wouldn't return, since they could go non-stop on the A350.

AaronPGH wrote:
For as conservative as UA has been through the pandemic, this seems extra aggressive. Very risky marketing, but I dig it. Get folks excited during this downturn, create a drumbeat of positive news (leading on the change fees), hope for the borders to reopen by next spring. It's a roll of the dice for sure but it could pay off.


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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:41 pm

cityshuttle wrote:
Very nice adds. Will be interesting to see how DL replies on JNB / CPT ... and if AA might also consider South Africa, but then from which hub ... MIA ?


UA is taking over the Star Alliance traffic as South African fades and, possibly, ultimately fails completely - especially on long haul routes.

I could see DL adding JFK-JNB/CPT as traffic to South Africa regains strength. They do seem to be at a disadvantage without the 787, however.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:47 pm

I'm surprised how 'sensible' these routes seem (as in, in a non-COVID world these are reasonable asks).

Given the world we live in and the complete unknown around business traffic at all in 2021, I figured they would take that opportunity to try out leisure/VFR routes that otherwise would've been an oppty cost loss compared to business routes.

Something like MNL or BKK, or more LATAM/South America.

I guess in some places they are filling gaps that are now open (NYC-JNB, IAD-ACC), but routes like ORD-DEL and SFO-BLR have been disussed amongst us here for a long time.

As a United 1K, I wish them the best as they look to continue to offer such a diverse Int'l route network, but I am so perplexed by the metrics behind them announcing these with no real security these routes can launch when they want them to.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:47 pm

Really exciting adds. The marketing behind it was also fun and a great way to engage people and hype it. This definitely was worth the hype. Congrats United. DEL now has 3 routes on UA. And 5 daily flights eventually. Hope BOM also gets some love.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:48 pm

alfa164 wrote:
cityshuttle wrote:
Very nice adds. Will be interesting to see how DL replies on JNB / CPT ... and if AA might also consider South Africa, but then from which hub ... MIA ?


UA is taking over the Star Alliance traffic as South African fades and, possibly, ultimately fails completely - especially on long haul routes.

I could see DL adding JFK-JNB/CPT as traffic to South Africa regains strength. They do seem to be at a disadvantage without the 787, however.


To this day I still wish DL took the 787 order. Sure they might have gotten the earlier heavier models that UA has in the fleet now, but the locked-in price was good for the time and there is profitability and more utility with this plane in the COVID era.

DL would likely be fine with A350 on JFK-JNB simply because of cargo, it's just they likely won't have enough of these to have another JNB route in the near future. There are 2 recent deliveries and obviously those are surely backfilling 777 routes.

UA ORD-DEL reminds me of the time when AA tried all those global routes from ORD, but I'm also happy to see SFO-BLR. They gotta keep AA at-bay on the west coast.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:50 pm

x1234 wrote:
SAA isn’t coming back anytime soon. UA is smart like DL flying to the Christian countries in West Africa and South Africa.


I think the Muslim president of Nigeria would take great issue with Nigeria being called a Christian country. A better description would be the major Anglophone countries.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:58 pm

jayunited wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
The 789 is gonna very interesting from JNB-EWR, We know the A359 has a bit more range and also more thrust and wing which is a huge advantage at altitude.



The nautical mile difference between JNB-EWR is 6943nm, JNB-EWR is 7334nm miles. I'm not sure how much of a difference that would make in terms of required fuel. Also we know from Delta employees Delta moves a lot of cargo out of JNB, we will have to see if UA tries to pick up a cargo contract or two, or if this flight will operate with just passengers and bags only out of JNB.

I think UA is jumping on this route because of South African Airways departure left a void and I'm guessing UA wanted to jump on it and plug up the opening before Delta.

As far as the rest of the announcement I'm excited and pleased. I'm excited to see United get back into ACC/LOC with the right aircraft!!! The last time UA operated IAD-Africa they were on 763s and before the routes even launched people knew the 763 was the wrong aircraft for those routes. Those flights (inbound and outbound) were weight restricted everyday. The 788 will do great on these routes out of IAD.

The seasonal additions of ORD-KOA (long over due) and EWR-OGG are great.

For years now we have been hearing UA is looking at a new destination within India and every time I thought UA would pull the trigger they would announce another route and leave India out. Finally UA is pulling the trigger with BLR. I was hoping for ORD-BOM but ORD-India has been talked about for years now it is good to see UA announce ORD-DEL.

That 400nm difference could be just enough to help the 789 take a little more and mitigate the obvious payload restrictions.
How is the 763 out of OGG on a 9+ hour route? IIRC DL tried OGG-ATL with a 764 I think.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:59 pm

alfa164 wrote:
cityshuttle wrote:
Very nice adds. Will be interesting to see how DL replies on JNB / CPT ... and if AA might also consider South Africa, but then from which hub ... MIA ?


UA is taking over the Star Alliance traffic as South African fades and, possibly, ultimately fails completely - especially on long haul routes.

I could see DL adding JFK-JNB/CPT as traffic to South Africa regains strength. They do seem to be at a disadvantage without the 787, however.


Not too sure if the SAA flight can be considered *A traffic (yes, they are a member) since they flew to JFK. In another thread I had already suggested they should have switched to EWR instead to enable UA connections.

So now with UA taking over that route and offering connections via EWR it can be called a better *A routing than what SAA offered to JFK.

Also a great replacement of SAA’s routes from ACC / LOS to the US as the long haul network by SAA won’t come back anytime soon, if at all.

The routes to India will be interesting to watch in regards to AA and AI competition. But UA should do fine here.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 4:59 pm

enilria wrote:
dmstorm22 wrote:
Ishrion wrote:
San Francisco to Bangalore
Newark to Kaluhui and Johannesburg
Washington to Accra and Lagos
Chicago to Kona and Delhi

https://twitter.com/SweeneyABC/status/1 ... 3300747264

Amazing.


God bless and Good luck to United. Who even knows if some of these are allowed to run (or passengers are allowed to enter without massive quarantine restrictions) when they want to start

Confused by the JNB flight, I guess I'll need to read the full report if this has any impact on the EWR-CPT route which from what I understood did quite well last winter season. Also to start it in spring is interesting, when the liesure traffic dries up.

I’m with you brother. This smells of build and it might come, but probably won’t. Well I hope it works. The BKK guess made more sense to me.



SAA's departure has left a void and SAA flew JNB-JFK year around not just during the busy leisure season. You analyst could be correct but at the same time you could be wrong but I don't fault United for seeing an opportunity and taking advantage of this opportunity to reconnect New York City to Johannesburg. As far as EWR-CPT that route will continue to operate seasonally, we will have to wait and see if we are able to have a season this year but yes last year EWR-CPT according to UA did quite well or as they say exceeded expectations.

As far as India is concerned UA resumed flights to India back in July as humanitarian flights, and this month (September) UA's EWR-DEL/BOM resumes daily nonstop service and SFO-DEL is operating 3x weekly. I think the addition of SFO-BLR and ORD-DEL will do well. If Hawaii is open next year both EWR-OGG and ORD-KOA will do just fine, Hawaii is a popular destination during the spring and summer months. IAD-ACC/LOS, the problems with the original flights sUA launched on a 763 were well documented even on this site. However that does not change the fact that the Washington D.C. and surrounding area has the largest concentration Ghanaians in the US live in and around the DC region. sUA operated this route with a 763 the route was doom to fail before it even launched I think the 788 is the right aircraft for the route, and by launching the route from IAD passengers are not forced to backtrack here in the US.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:00 pm

So why did the video show LAX and DEN?
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:01 pm

With UA planning SFO-BLR, there goes any hopes for AA to be successful on SEA-BLR.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:13 pm

DL747400 wrote:
With UA planning SFO-BLR, there goes any hopes for AA to be successful on SEA-BLR.



I was just thinking the same thing, although Seattle has a lot of tech companies, Silicone Valley is still the king. I'm sure AA was banking on their new partner AS to shuttle travelers up from SFO to SEA where they would then board AA's SEA-BLR flight. Now that UA intends to launch its own SFO-BLR flight it may throw a wrinkle into AA's SEA-BLR flight.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:15 pm

Antarius wrote:
MAH4546 wrote:
Irehdna wrote:

I think DL announcing JFK-JNB is all but inevitable at this point. That and making ATL-CPT nonstop both directions.


U.S. airlines are only allowed 21 flights a week between U.S. and ZA.

I wonder if AA rushes to apply for the last four (or competitively seeks to take 7 and makes it a competition) in a case of FOMO.


Where would AA fly from? PHL?


Miami is a decent local market to South Africa (third largest South African diaspora after Perth and London) and has great feed, but JFK is unserved without SAA and a larger local market also with decent feed. So probably one of those two over PHL.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:27 pm

I am surprised it takes so long for BLR-SFO to materialize. I suppose ACC and LOS would be on one route, probably IAD-ACC-LOS, or even triangular routing. I wonder if UA has 5th rights on ACC-LOS if it's really flown as IAD-ACC-LOS?
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:29 pm

Great additions for United. I applaud them for their confidence and forward thinking during the pandemic.

I am surprised that not a single route to South America was added despite several references (alpaca and weather map) in the video.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 09, 2020 5:36 pm

DL747400 wrote:
With UA planning SFO-BLR, there goes any hopes for AA to be successful on SEA-BLR.


Yep, no reason to connect.

Tech sector can just take the drive up to SFO from Mountain View, Menlo Park, or Cupertino.

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