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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:46 pm

Qantas744er wrote:
DylanHarvey wrote:
jayunited wrote:

You start to see performance penalties when the temperature hits 95F/97F or 35C/36C, at those temps you are holding off at least 3,000 LBS of cargo if not more.

Then there are days when UA has had to jettison all the cargo out of SYD but only when the temperature exceeds 105F or 107F / 40C or 41.6C. If we are looking at a full pax cabin and you are talking temperatures in this range or higher in most cases you can forget about taking the cargo out of SYD or MEL in some cases the non revs have to be pulled off the aircraft. There are days during the southern hemispheres summer where even though the dispatcher has padded the temperature, 2-4 degrees in the release it isn't enough. Sydney at 10:00 is already pushing 101F/102F and the captain 20 minutes before departure will have the dispatcher rerun the flight plan with a temp of 105F because the captain knows they are going to sit on the ground after push back waiting for the runway for another 20-30 minutes, and it blows everything out of the water.

The 789 is a very capable aircraft, and it does have its limits, but it still performs a hell of a lot better than the 77E. :D

Valuable information as always. And yes the 77E was a pioneer in it’s time, but the time is now for the Dreamliner and the Airbus. How much of a difference would it make if UA had taken The higher thrust GENx? They have 72 or 73k on the 89 now right?


UA B789 have GEnx-1B74/75 ( 76,700Lbs )
UA B788 have GEnx-1B70 ( 72,300Lbs )

The highest GEnx rating available on the B789 is the -1B76A (78,500Lbs). The additional thrust would certainly help the B789 out of FAOR/JNB.



They have the GENx-1b78/p2. I wonder if they have been certified on anything yet. I thought I read that was certified last year. 80,400lbs.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:26 am

CONTACREW wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
How will they staff the SFO-BLR flights with speakers? Despite furloughing 5,500 FAs, will they be hiring a handful of new Kannada/Hindi FAs for this route? DH to SFO from other language bases?


No UA isn’t going to hire Hindi speaking FAs after furloughing. They will either staff them out of the SFO base or just operate the flight without speakers.


The route language cabin crew work very hard on the flights I have operated, not only the regular service duties but the continuous barrage of queries in their native language for those not conversational in English or French (my airline). This is especially true on flights to Latin America, mainland China, Japan, Korea and India. We have four to five route language speakers in addition to two French qualified speakers on widebody international flights. It is very important from a customer experience point of view to have service in your language of choice. India does present a challenge as there are at least 22 official languages. I am sure United will make the right choice and staff flights with appropriate route language qualified personnel.

Addendum: I realize times and contracts have changed over time but I was laid off speaking English and French, to allow those qualified in German, Dutch and Italian to be recalled or even hired before I returned to work. It was not pleasant or fair in my view at the time, but I realize now how important it is for an airline to be able to offer a competitive product and that includes service in your language of choice.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:53 am

VTORD wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
How will they staff the SFO-BLR flights with speakers? Despite furloughing 5,500 FAs, will they be hiring a handful of new Kannada/Hindi FAs for this route? DH to SFO from other language bases?

Not sure what you are implying here but there is no need to hire "speakers". I have taken AF, LH, UA, EK over the years to BOM and am yet to come across a Marathi (or Hindi) speaking crew on either one of my flights. It's not needed. English will do just fine.


I am sorry but this is such a selfish and elitist comment. Language crew (at least one), are needed on Indian flights. There are many people who are not “fluent” in English and/or cannot understand detailed discussions Light flight disruptions / ask detailed questions in English. What do you lose by having a native speaker on the flight? Out of BOM most airlines (but not AF) usually have one Hindi speaker in my experience. UA, DL definitely do. I mean all flights to the EU from JFK on DL have local language speakers. (BCN will have Spanish but not always Catalan - similar to the issue in India where DEL, BLR, BOM get Hindi speaking crew (w other languages as bonus) but MAA gets Tamil).
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:00 am

BawliBooch wrote:
hohd wrote:
BLR has lower VFR than DEL, BOM, and even HYD


BLR lower than HYD? This was certainly true before 2016, but is this still the case? BLR market has grown in the past 5 years by virtue of it being India's startup capital.

OTOH, India's vice like grip on the outsourcing industry has collapsed in the past few years with Philippines and other countries taking away a sizeable chunk of this business.

Guess we will need to wait and see how the COVID affects the traffic figures to and from BLR.


We are talking VFR here not tourists. It’s an important distinction. While VFR can be price sensitive, they are stable, travel outside of normal holidays and need to go back and their relatives need to come visit them (when possible). If we are talking US, then yes, HYD has more VFR than compared to BLR. That said, BLR probably has more locals flying to the US as tourists than HYD (going by income and the lifestyle of BLR which is just behind BOM in this respect). I think that is why you see J to/from BLR not crowded during slow business periods and Y less crowded outside of normal holidays / school vacations
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:03 am

How many 787-9 have Polaris? Weren’t there 2 being modified right now?
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:23 am

VTORD wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
How will they staff the SFO-BLR flights with speakers? Despite furloughing 5,500 FAs, will they be hiring a handful of new Kannada/Hindi FAs for this route? DH to SFO from other language bases?

Not sure what you are implying here but there is no need to hire "speakers". I have taken AF, LH, UA, EK over the years to BOM and am yet to come across a Marathi (or Hindi) speaking crew on either one of my flights. It's not needed. English will do just fine.


Please consider the elderly population! Many of whom do not speak English, younger population many speak English.


Air Canada: Toronto-Delhi 4 Punjabi and 2 Hindi speakers
Toronto-Mumbai 4 Hindi and 2 Punjabi speakers
English and French always available, other languages likely available too.
 
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Re: Why United should establish a new TPA hub (or at least a focus city)

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:28 am

With NEO/MAX aircraft, TPA will likely transform into a fragmented focus operation for LCC/ULCC in the coming years post-COVID19, much like what is going on in MCO and has been going on now for some time in LAS. You're already starting to see the makings of an expanded operation with the recent B6 announcement to CUN & RDU.

I don't think we'll see new organic hub/focus growth under a Kirby leadership, rather, gaining hubs through mergers.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:38 am

Anybody heard any rumblings on when a few more United clubs will open back up? American just announced 7 more re-opening...seem to be going after United’s business. IAH, SFO, DEN, AUS and a few others.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 3:19 am

avi8 wrote:
How many 787-9 have Polaris? Weren’t there 2 being modified right now?


There are 9 completed, 2 in Mod and 6 more to be delivered. That would be 17 of the 38 on order. Not sure if will get all 6 by
end of year but should have all by end of spring, Could also get a few more done by years end.

There are 6 of 12 788's completed and all 13 of the 781 have Polaris.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 4:50 am

If indeed the 2 789s in XMN are in for Polaris mod it would seem to be a shift in priorities probably to set up these ULH routes.
The push for Polaris when the pandemic hit was 788s, undoubtedly due to the large difference in Polaris/Y seat mix between configurations and probable shift in missions.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Tue Sep 15, 2020 5:05 am

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How many 787-9 have Polaris? Weren’t there 2 being modified right now?


...Check out this site. Some great work by Anetter ca[https

://sites.google.com/site/unitedfleetsite/polaris-mod-schedule
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:00 am

c933103 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
To summarize
COVID19 is rationalizing routes in true sense, no funneling unnecessary traffic through preferred hub and calling it efficient.
COVID19 busted the premium traffic myth, if there is no capacity dumping even Y yields can be decent and routes can survive without front cabin being full.
AI survived without any partners' help, it is UA's turn to survive without partners.
Just don't tell LH or SQ.

What you are saying is that, people will pay a high price when they're forced to pay high price without any other options.


Below cost options do no one no good in the long run. If you followed who will get the haircut debate, it should be ME3, but because of market distortion it will be EU3.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 1:33 pm

CaliguyNYC wrote:

I am sorry but this is such a selfish and elitist comment. Language crew (at least one), are needed on Indian flights. There are many people who are not “fluent” in English and/or cannot understand detailed discussions Light flight disruptions / ask detailed questions in English. What do you lose by having a native speaker on the flight? Out of BOM most airlines (but not AF) usually have one Hindi speaker in my experience. UA, DL definitely do. I mean all flights to the EU from JFK on DL have local language speakers. (BCN will have Spanish but not always Catalan - similar to the issue in India where DEL, BLR, BOM get Hindi speaking crew (w other languages as bonus) but MAA gets Tamil).


tofur wrote:
Please consider the elderly population! Many of whom do not speak English, younger population many speak English.
Air Canada: Toronto-Delhi 4 Punjabi and 2 Hindi speakers
Toronto-Mumbai 4 Hindi and 2 Punjabi speakers
English and French always available, other languages likely available too.


That was certainly not my intention. I am aware of the English challenges. I have similar people in my family and close friends' families. My mother in law for eg., understands English very well but finds it difficult to communicate with people talking with an American accent. And I am certainly not advocating against UA hiring such people. I am just an armchair pundit on this forum whose opinion is basically useless to UA. On an India bound (or originating) flight, you tend to find people (co-pax) who can help you navigate/understand enough to reach your destination without incident. I have in the past myself helped a Maharashtrian couple navigate CDG and helped a Gujarati gentleman fill his immigration forms on a UA flight. I am sure there are other people like me with similar experiences. When traveling between DXB - BOM, I have obviously had Hindi + other language speaking FAs. One of my relatives used to be an FA on EK FWIW. On the two flights I took connecting from NA (EK500), I did not find any. I was merely suggesting that it wasn't an absolute must. There is no need to brand people selfish and elitist for speaking from their own experience.
 
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Re: UNITED: investments stopped and continuing

Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:27 pm

slcdeltarumd11 wrote:
I think united will be very tight on cash. However EWR needs a non Polaris Lounge, the current situation is dire for UA at EWR. That project is just needed and there happens to be space there and they've gotten approval and permits. They might make it less flashy but they need to make a lounge badly for EWR. That is not a flashy investment that means anything, united desperately needs a Lounge or no one will pay for it whos EWR based. That lounge is desperately needed and cheaper to finish then start over, although I bet they cut corners and save wherever possible.


I would envision a UC upstairs on the roof to look a lot like the big LAX club. It’s not that flashy, but very nice and perhaps the outdoor deck. I know spending money now while burning $30/$50 million a day seems crazy, but as someone said above “there could be unbreakable contracts, or “we got this far, might as well just finish it time for when passengers come back in larger numbers”

Then they will have the contrast between the new UC and the old Presidents club which still looks so old and dingy even with new furniture and some paint.(and the bathrooms haven’t changed since it opened. YET, while it gets no sunlight, the architects and designers could do something cool with the circular spaces.

I feel so bad for UA! They were really rocking with ALL the upgrades and aircraft renovations and new livery until the unexpected hit.

I’m sure it says what the current status is in the HUGE UNITED fleet thread, but have ALL the aircraft interiors been stopped? Eg: 789’s?
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 6:32 pm

eamondzhang wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
CONTACREW wrote:

Might want to educate yourself. UA flies the 77W to India from EWR and those are in a 1x2x1 configuration in J.


That is a very selective statement, for years all UA sent to India was their oldest 772s.

Oldest, wow. This is an even more selective statement.

UA's oldest 772s can never do EWR-India non-stop since they're non-ER 772As. And many of those GE-powered 772ERs that UA used to India are the newest among the fleet, heck some of the newest 772ERs globally.

Michael


No they're not. CO started getting the GE powered 777s in 1997-1998. Both sub fleets are roughly the same age minus 1-2 frames from 2006 from the CO side of the house. Your analysis is a complete misconception because CO started EWR-HKG in 1998 using the 777-224.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:13 pm

The oldest CO 777-200ERs are from September 1998, the oldest UA 777-200ERs are from March 1997. The newest CO 777-200ERs are from July 2010, the newest UA 777-200ERs are from March 2002.

Obviously the CO 777-200ERs are much newer.

1997: 14 United 777-222ERs
1998: 6 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
1999: 8 Continental 777-224ERs, 6 United 222ERs
2000: 2 United 777-222ERs
2001: 8 United 777-222ERs
2002: 2 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
2007: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
2010: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:28 pm

N649DL wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

That is a very selective statement, for years all UA sent to India was their oldest 772s.

Oldest, wow. This is an even more selective statement.

UA's oldest 772s can never do EWR-India non-stop since they're non-ER 772As. And many of those GE-powered 772ERs that UA used to India are the newest among the fleet, heck some of the newest 772ERs globally.

Michael


No they're not. CO started getting the GE powered 777s in 1997-1998. Both sub fleets are roughly the same age minus 1-2 frames from 2006 from the CO side of the house. Your analysis is a complete misconception because CO started EWR-HKG in 1998 using the 777-224.


United received their first three non ER 777 in 1995. United acquired the remainder of 777-222 until 2002
Continental Airlines received their first 777ER in 1998. And received their last 777-224s in 2010. Incidentally, EWR-HKG started in 2001.

Pretty sure the last 777-200ER delivered was to Asiana in 2013.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:57 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
c933103 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
To summarize
COVID19 is rationalizing routes in true sense, no funneling unnecessary traffic through preferred hub and calling it efficient.
COVID19 busted the premium traffic myth, if there is no capacity dumping even Y yields can be decent and routes can survive without front cabin being full.
AI survived without any partners' help, it is UA's turn to survive without partners.
Just don't tell LH or SQ.

What you are saying is that, people will pay a high price when they're forced to pay high price without any other options.


Below cost options do no one no good in the long run. If you followed who will get the haircut debate, it should be ME3, but because of market distortion it will be EU3.

What make you say "below cost"?
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:41 pm

tofur wrote:
VTORD wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
How will they staff the SFO-BLR flights with speakers? Despite furloughing 5,500 FAs, will they be hiring a handful of new Kannada/Hindi FAs for this route? DH to SFO from other language bases?

Not sure what you are implying here but there is no need to hire "speakers". I have taken AF, LH, UA, EK over the years to BOM and am yet to come across a Marathi (or Hindi) speaking crew on either one of my flights. It's not needed. English will do just fine.


Please consider the elderly population! Many of whom do not speak English, younger population many speak English.


Air Canada: Toronto-Delhi 4 Punjabi and 2 Hindi speakers
Toronto-Mumbai 4 Hindi and 2 Punjabi speakers
English and French always available, other languages likely available too.


When I flew YVR-DEL earlier this year in February, the announcements were all in Hindi/Punjabi. The boarding announcements at YVR started in Hindi before they did EN/FR. Both of my seatmates (I was in Y) did not speak English, so I engaged with them in Hindi to help them with ordering their meals, using the IFE, filling out their immigration cards, etc. Then again, YVR-DEL was truly a Punjabi Shuttle, so made sense.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:34 pm

Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:44 pm

StinkyPinky wrote:
Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?


United has bilingual FA's on all our long haul international flights where English is not their first language.

I know for sure UA has more than enough remaining FA's who are fluent in Hindi that this route will not be effected as a result of the furlough. Also I believe UA also has FA's fluent in Bengali, and Punjabi.

United has a diverse FA workforce this includes FA's who have immigrated to the US from India.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:07 am

UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:11 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
AI survived without any partners' help, it is UA's turn to survive without partners.
Just don't tell LH or SQ.

Can you explain how AI survived without any partner help?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:34 am

STT757 wrote:
The oldest CO 777-200ERs are from September 1998, the oldest UA 777-200ERs are from March 1997. The newest CO 777-200ERs are from July 2010, the newest UA 777-200ERs are from March 2002.

Obviously the CO 777-200ERs are much newer.

1997: 14 United 777-222ERs
1998: 6 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
1999: 8 Continental 777-224ERs, 6 United 222ERs
2000: 2 United 777-222ERs
2001: 8 United 777-222ERs
2002: 2 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
2007: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
2010: 2 Continental 777-224ERs


*Clap, Clap, Clap* so CO had a few more ER-based 777s in the late 2000s. Sooo Impressive! Good for them. This isn't a competition between subsidiaries (we shouldn't start this stuff back up again.)
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:54 am

DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:44 pm

N649DL wrote:
STT757 wrote:
The oldest CO 777-200ERs are from September 1998, the oldest UA 777-200ERs are from March 1997. The newest CO 777-200ERs are from July 2010, the newest UA 777-200ERs are from March 2002.

Obviously the CO 777-200ERs are much newer.

1997: 14 United 777-222ERs
1998: 6 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
1999: 8 Continental 777-224ERs, 6 United 222ERs
2000: 2 United 777-222ERs
2001: 8 United 777-222ERs
2002: 2 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
2007: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
2010: 2 Continental 777-224ERs


*Clap, Clap, Clap* so CO had a few more ER-based 777s in the late 2000s. Sooo Impressive! Good for them. This isn't a competition between subsidiaries (we shouldn't start this stuff back up again.)


Come off it, *you* started this bickering. *You* said that the GE 777s were among the oldest in the fleet, which is patently untrue, and when this is pointed out you pull the sarcasm card. Very mature.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:49 pm

jayunited wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?


United has bilingual FA's on all our long haul international flights where English is not their first language.

I know for sure UA has more than enough remaining FA's who are fluent in Hindi that this route will not be effected as a result of the furlough. Also I believe UA also has FA's fluent in Bengali, and Punjabi.

United has a diverse FA workforce this includes FA's who have immigrated to the US from India.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that UA enables FAs to immigrate to US.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:07 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
If indeed the 2 789s in XMN are in for Polaris mod it would seem to be a shift in priorities probably to set up these ULH routes.
The push for Polaris when the pandemic hit was 788s, undoubtedly due to the large difference in Polaris/Y seat mix between configurations and probable shift in missions.


Negative, regular C-Checks and not Polaris mod.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:45 pm

N649DL wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

That is a very selective statement, for years all UA sent to India was their oldest 772s.

Oldest, wow. This is an even more selective statement.

UA's oldest 772s can never do EWR-India non-stop since they're non-ER 772As. And many of those GE-powered 772ERs that UA used to India are the newest among the fleet, heck some of the newest 772ERs globally.

Michael


No they're not. CO started getting the GE powered 777s in 1997-1998. Both sub fleets are roughly the same age minus 1-2 frames from 2006 from the CO side of the house. Your analysis is a complete misconception because CO started EWR-HKG in 1998 using the 777-224.


March 2, 2001 was the first flight (give or take two or three days) for EWR-HKG
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:46 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
It has been reported that UA plans to upgrade the software in a sub-fleet and eventually all 789s. This software upgrade will increase thrust and improve the fuel management systems, thus increasing the range and capabilities of the aircraft. The software update is what will allow SFO-BLR and EWR-JNB possible.

https://onemileatatime.com/united-airli ... BPguQEjWjg

What are your thoughts of such an upgrade? Was this and upgrade in conjunction with Boeing, a third party company, or on their own? Will the update then be extended to the 788 and 78X to improve their range and capabilities? Finally, will other airlines follow suit?


I think if they can improve the performance of the 78X that would all but guarantee that the A350 will never fly with UA.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:45 pm

It would seem to me that the increase in 789 stage length by software would mimimize need for the 359. The 359 has a 8100nm range vs. 7635 for the 789 and only 6430 for the 78X. If the range is extended by maybe 5% the questions would be:
How many flights about 8000nm are in need of the extra capacity of the 359 vs. 789?
How many flights between 6750 and 8000 need the extra capacity between a 789 and 78X?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:05 pm

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N649DL wrote:
*Clap, Clap, Clap* so CO had a few more ER-based 777s in the late 2000s. Sooo Impressive! Good for them. This isn't a competition between subsidiaries (we shouldn't start this stuff back up again.)


Come off it, *you* started this bickering. *You* said that the GE 777s were among the oldest in the fleet, which is patently untrue, and when this is pointed out you pull the sarcasm card. Very mature.


Rather than nitpicking and whataboutery, you can prove us wrong with real data.

How many flights over 13 years CO/UA sent their brand-new planes to India? That is close to 4700 RTs total.

CO/UA having newer planes doesn't imply they were sent to India. What happened to It's a low yield destination, don't deserve the best hardware/cabins, theory.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:25 pm

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DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.

Wow, this would be huge news for AI dropping ORD. Is it dropped or have they just have not updated their schedule that far out yet? I have flown AI many times, but only from parts of Asia to India. I found their service and hard product not to be too nice in business class, so I've flown one stop via Europe and the Middle East from the US. But AI has flow to ORD for a few decades now, originally through FRA and LHR, but over the last 7+ years or so have been nonstop.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:34 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
I have a lot of friends in network planning and other corporate positions at United who’ve recently lost their jobs due to covid. Something like 1/3 if their management positions gone. Pretty terrible timing for a vanity video like this to be produced


Network Planning and corporate positions are always those positions to be jettisoned when things get tough. but? there are operational folks who can do those jobs like Dispatchers and routers who may not have the same jobs but have the exact same qualifications needed to Do the job at hand. And? they might be spared from going to the street as they can do more tasks. An Experienced router and a certificated and current Dispatcher? Worth their weight in Gold. Added to the fact? they can support the daily operation of the Airline. As in the past? Marketing comes up with the schemes, and it's the rest of the Airline that implements the schemes.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:55 pm

Kbud wrote:
mah584jr wrote:
DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.

Wow, this would be huge news for AI dropping ORD. Is it dropped or have they just have not updated their schedule that far out yet? I have flown AI many times, but only from parts of Asia to India. I found their service and hard product not to be too nice in business class, so I've flown one stop via Europe and the Middle East from the US. But AI has flow to ORD for a few decades now, originally through FRA and LHR, but over the last 7+ years or so have been nonstop.


A lot of AI flights are not showing up. I think this is just COVID related delays in schedule publishing. IAD-DEL is 3X. I could see the route being put on hold for a bit (although in a COVID environment 3X nonstop is probably just what the market needs). ORD-DEL will come back. The flight does well for AI. UA and AI don’t really go after the same pax. Ther will both survive - UA with connections on the US side and AI with connections on the DEL side.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:25 pm

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jayunited wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?


United has bilingual FA's on all our long haul international flights where English is not their first language.

I know for sure UA has more than enough remaining FA's who are fluent in Hindi that this route will not be effected as a result of the furlough. Also I believe UA also has FA's fluent in Bengali, and Punjabi.

United has a diverse FA workforce this includes FA's who have immigrated to the US from India.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that UA enables FAs to immigrate to US.


I think you have misunderstood what I wrote so let be me a bit more specific.

United has for years has hired immigrants for the FA position that have legally immigrated to the US before their employment began with United Airlines. United does not act as a sponsor for these FA's, some legally immigrated to the US as children other as adults but they all immigrated to this country on their own without sponsorship from United Airlines.

The United States as you know is a very diverse country when an airline like UA is for instance looking to expand internationally and they need more language qualified FA's you will see a specific language qualification in the job description. Anyone can apply but if for instance UA is looking for FA's fluent in Spanish and and non-Spanish speaker applies they are not automatically disqualified. However if a person who is fluent in Spanish meets all the other requirements for the job and make an equal impression during the interview as the non-Spanish speaker the person who speaks Spanish fluently has the edge will probably get the job simple language qualified.

United has operated like this for years there are times when they are hiring FA's and the only language qualification needed is English and there are other times UA would look for people fluent in a specific language.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:20 am

jayunited wrote:

I think you have misunderstood what I wrote so let be me a bit more specific.

United has for years has hired immigrants for the FA position that have legally immigrated to the US before their employment began with United Airlines. United does not act as a sponsor for these FA's, some legally immigrated to the US as children other as adults but they all immigrated to this country on their own without sponsorship from United Airlines.

Aha! Thanks for the clarification. My bad! Should have known that speakers of Indian language don't necessarily only come from India. The word immigration threw me off. :oops:
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:21 pm

Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:16 am

portola2727 wrote:
Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?


They already flew them in the past. The flight was quickly moved up to SFO as the second daily SFO-SIN.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:25 am

LHUSA wrote:
portola2727 wrote:
Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?


They already flew them in the past. The flight was quickly moved up to SFO as the second daily SFO-SIN.

Sorry, I should have been more clear, but I was wondering if UA could relaunch the service once T9 comes online at LAX.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:38 am

portola2727 wrote:
LHUSA wrote:
portola2727 wrote:
Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?


They already flew them in the past. The flight was quickly moved up to SFO as the second daily SFO-SIN.

Sorry, I should have been more clear, but I was wondering if UA could relaunch the service once T9 comes online at LAX.


UA could launch the route anytime not dependent on gate space. The issue was blocking so many seats.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:11 am

mah584jr wrote:
DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.


0% surprised if true. IAD clearly has a large market, but ME3 were successful in not down-gauging despite AI's entrance in 2017. IAD won't work for them until they develop a codeshare with UA and that's probably not gonna happen anytime soon

Also, can't imagine the 788 flying ~15 hours is too pretty in terms of performance
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:46 am

UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:07 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
If indeed the 2 789s in XMN are in for Polaris mod it would seem to be a shift in priorities probably to set up these ULH routes.
The push for Polaris when the pandemic hit was 788s, undoubtedly due to the large difference in Polaris/Y seat mix between configurations and probable shift in missions.


Polaris mods are frozen due CapEx constraints. The handful of 788s proceeded post March as the shipsets of seats were already onhand delivered to China so it made sense to get them done.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 am

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)


I guess that answers our question on what’s going to replace a lot of the Xpressjet flying: more CRJs for SkyWest.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:08 am

UAinAUS wrote:
E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

Any reason some XR's are going out before the others?
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:01 am

STT757 wrote:
Airlines0613 wrote:
It has been reported that UA plans to upgrade the software in a sub-fleet and eventually all 789s. This software upgrade will increase thrust and improve the fuel management systems, thus increasing the range and capabilities of the aircraft. The software update is what will allow SFO-BLR and EWR-JNB possible.

https://onemileatatime.com/united-airli ... BPguQEjWjg

What are your thoughts of such an upgrade? Was this and upgrade in conjunction with Boeing, a third party company, or on their own? Will the update then be extended to the 788 and 78X to improve their range and capabilities? Finally, will other airlines follow suit?


I think if they can improve the performance of the 78X that would all but guarantee that the A350 will never fly with UA.


My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:26 pm

intotheair wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)


I guess that answers our question on what’s going to replace a lot of the Xpressjet flying: more CRJs for SkyWest.


Skywest is also adding a bunch of at-risk/SCASD markets under the UAL banner with CR2.
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:03 pm

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My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.


I have to disagree with you on this because what you are describing is an entirely different aircraft than what the 78X represents today. Also UA does not have enough 77Ws in the fleet to cover all of EWR/SFO to Asia (pre-COVID not including SIN).

The 78X can accommodate the same fuel load as a 789. However when you begin operating a 78X on routes 12.5+ hours or longer with a full passenger cabin (in UA's case 318 passengers) that translates into 430 and some cases (especially during summer) can go up to around 630-700 bags, you can't take any cargo because the aircraft is maxed out or nearly max out. You have either A: hit MZFW or B: MTOG. With 600 bags and a full passenger cabin if you were operating lets say EWR-FRA the 78X could still handle 35,000-45,000 pounds of cargo with weight to spare.

Pre-COVID UA's 77Es and 789s that operated ORD, LAX, IAD, and SFO Asia (not including SIN) could accommodate 276 passengers (77E), or 252 passenger (789) with around 25,000-40,000 pounds of cargo. (Cargo varies depending on type of aircraft, route, and time of year among other things.) In my opinion for a hypothetical HGW 78X to do the same job as our 77Es you would need to get at least another 70,000 to perhaps even 100,000 pounds of MTOG. The MZFW would need to be increased as well.

How much untapped potential does the landing gear, the wing box and wings on the 787 have left?
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm

jayunited wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.


I have to disagree with you on this because what you are describing is an entirely different aircraft than what the 78X represents today. Also UA does not have enough 77Ws in the fleet to cover all of EWR/SFO to Asia (pre-COVID not including SIN).

The 78X can accommodate the same fuel load as a 789. However when you begin operating a 78X on routes 12.5+ hours or longer with a full passenger cabin (in UA's case 318 passengers) that translates into 430 and some cases (especially during summer) can go up to around 630-700 bags, you can't take any cargo because the aircraft is maxed out or nearly max out. You have either A: hit MZFW or B: MTOG. With 600 bags and a full passenger cabin if you were operating lets say EWR-FRA the 78X could still handle 35,000-45,000 pounds of cargo with weight to spare.

Pre-COVID UA's 77Es and 789s that operated ORD, LAX, IAD, and SFO Asia (not including SIN) could accommodate 276 passengers (77E), or 252 passenger (789) with around 25,000-40,000 pounds of cargo. (Cargo varies depending on type of aircraft, route, and time of year among other things.) In my opinion for a hypothetical HGW 78X to do the same job as our 77Es you would need to get at least another 70,000 to perhaps even 100,000 pounds of MTOG. The MZFW would need to be increased as well.

How much untapped potential does the landing gear, the wing box and wings on the 787 have left?


You’re absolutely right. EWR-FRA usually has 7 125’ PMC pallets or more and a full passenger load during the busy season. Trying to find 70,000 pounds or more of MTOG will not be easy.

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