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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:13 pm

The oldest CO 777-200ERs are from September 1998, the oldest UA 777-200ERs are from March 1997. The newest CO 777-200ERs are from July 2010, the newest UA 777-200ERs are from March 2002.

Obviously the CO 777-200ERs are much newer.

1997: 14 United 777-222ERs
1998: 6 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
1999: 8 Continental 777-224ERs, 6 United 222ERs
2000: 2 United 777-222ERs
2001: 8 United 777-222ERs
2002: 2 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
2007: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
2010: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:28 pm

N649DL wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

That is a very selective statement, for years all UA sent to India was their oldest 772s.

Oldest, wow. This is an even more selective statement.

UA's oldest 772s can never do EWR-India non-stop since they're non-ER 772As. And many of those GE-powered 772ERs that UA used to India are the newest among the fleet, heck some of the newest 772ERs globally.

Michael


No they're not. CO started getting the GE powered 777s in 1997-1998. Both sub fleets are roughly the same age minus 1-2 frames from 2006 from the CO side of the house. Your analysis is a complete misconception because CO started EWR-HKG in 1998 using the 777-224.


United received their first three non ER 777 in 1995. United acquired the remainder of 777-222 until 2002
Continental Airlines received their first 777ER in 1998. And received their last 777-224s in 2010. Incidentally, EWR-HKG started in 2001.

Pretty sure the last 777-200ER delivered was to Asiana in 2013.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 7:57 pm

dtw2hyd wrote:
c933103 wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:
To summarize
COVID19 is rationalizing routes in true sense, no funneling unnecessary traffic through preferred hub and calling it efficient.
COVID19 busted the premium traffic myth, if there is no capacity dumping even Y yields can be decent and routes can survive without front cabin being full.
AI survived without any partners' help, it is UA's turn to survive without partners.
Just don't tell LH or SQ.

What you are saying is that, people will pay a high price when they're forced to pay high price without any other options.


Below cost options do no one no good in the long run. If you followed who will get the haircut debate, it should be ME3, but because of market distortion it will be EU3.

What make you say "below cost"?
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 9:41 pm

tofur wrote:
VTORD wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
How will they staff the SFO-BLR flights with speakers? Despite furloughing 5,500 FAs, will they be hiring a handful of new Kannada/Hindi FAs for this route? DH to SFO from other language bases?

Not sure what you are implying here but there is no need to hire "speakers". I have taken AF, LH, UA, EK over the years to BOM and am yet to come across a Marathi (or Hindi) speaking crew on either one of my flights. It's not needed. English will do just fine.


Please consider the elderly population! Many of whom do not speak English, younger population many speak English.


Air Canada: Toronto-Delhi 4 Punjabi and 2 Hindi speakers
Toronto-Mumbai 4 Hindi and 2 Punjabi speakers
English and French always available, other languages likely available too.


When I flew YVR-DEL earlier this year in February, the announcements were all in Hindi/Punjabi. The boarding announcements at YVR started in Hindi before they did EN/FR. Both of my seatmates (I was in Y) did not speak English, so I engaged with them in Hindi to help them with ordering their meals, using the IFE, filling out their immigration cards, etc. Then again, YVR-DEL was truly a Punjabi Shuttle, so made sense.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 10:34 pm

Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:44 pm

StinkyPinky wrote:
Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?


United has bilingual FA's on all our long haul international flights where English is not their first language.

I know for sure UA has more than enough remaining FA's who are fluent in Hindi that this route will not be effected as a result of the furlough. Also I believe UA also has FA's fluent in Bengali, and Punjabi.

United has a diverse FA workforce this includes FA's who have immigrated to the US from India.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:07 am

UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:11 am

dtw2hyd wrote:
AI survived without any partners' help, it is UA's turn to survive without partners.
Just don't tell LH or SQ.

Can you explain how AI survived without any partner help?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 9:34 am

STT757 wrote:
The oldest CO 777-200ERs are from September 1998, the oldest UA 777-200ERs are from March 1997. The newest CO 777-200ERs are from July 2010, the newest UA 777-200ERs are from March 2002.

Obviously the CO 777-200ERs are much newer.

1997: 14 United 777-222ERs
1998: 6 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
1999: 8 Continental 777-224ERs, 6 United 222ERs
2000: 2 United 777-222ERs
2001: 8 United 777-222ERs
2002: 2 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
2007: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
2010: 2 Continental 777-224ERs


*Clap, Clap, Clap* so CO had a few more ER-based 777s in the late 2000s. Sooo Impressive! Good for them. This isn't a competition between subsidiaries (we shouldn't start this stuff back up again.)
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:54 am

DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:44 pm

N649DL wrote:
STT757 wrote:
The oldest CO 777-200ERs are from September 1998, the oldest UA 777-200ERs are from March 1997. The newest CO 777-200ERs are from July 2010, the newest UA 777-200ERs are from March 2002.

Obviously the CO 777-200ERs are much newer.

1997: 14 United 777-222ERs
1998: 6 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
1999: 8 Continental 777-224ERs, 6 United 222ERs
2000: 2 United 777-222ERs
2001: 8 United 777-222ERs
2002: 2 Continental 777-224ERs, 4 United 777-222ERs
2007: 2 Continental 777-224ERs
2010: 2 Continental 777-224ERs


*Clap, Clap, Clap* so CO had a few more ER-based 777s in the late 2000s. Sooo Impressive! Good for them. This isn't a competition between subsidiaries (we shouldn't start this stuff back up again.)


Come off it, *you* started this bickering. *You* said that the GE 777s were among the oldest in the fleet, which is patently untrue, and when this is pointed out you pull the sarcasm card. Very mature.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:49 pm

jayunited wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?


United has bilingual FA's on all our long haul international flights where English is not their first language.

I know for sure UA has more than enough remaining FA's who are fluent in Hindi that this route will not be effected as a result of the furlough. Also I believe UA also has FA's fluent in Bengali, and Punjabi.

United has a diverse FA workforce this includes FA's who have immigrated to the US from India.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that UA enables FAs to immigrate to US.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:07 pm

calpsafltskeds wrote:
If indeed the 2 789s in XMN are in for Polaris mod it would seem to be a shift in priorities probably to set up these ULH routes.
The push for Polaris when the pandemic hit was 788s, undoubtedly due to the large difference in Polaris/Y seat mix between configurations and probable shift in missions.


Negative, regular C-Checks and not Polaris mod.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:45 pm

N649DL wrote:
eamondzhang wrote:
dtw2hyd wrote:

That is a very selective statement, for years all UA sent to India was their oldest 772s.

Oldest, wow. This is an even more selective statement.

UA's oldest 772s can never do EWR-India non-stop since they're non-ER 772As. And many of those GE-powered 772ERs that UA used to India are the newest among the fleet, heck some of the newest 772ERs globally.

Michael


No they're not. CO started getting the GE powered 777s in 1997-1998. Both sub fleets are roughly the same age minus 1-2 frames from 2006 from the CO side of the house. Your analysis is a complete misconception because CO started EWR-HKG in 1998 using the 777-224.


March 2, 2001 was the first flight (give or take two or three days) for EWR-HKG
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Wed Sep 16, 2020 1:46 pm

Airlines0613 wrote:
It has been reported that UA plans to upgrade the software in a sub-fleet and eventually all 789s. This software upgrade will increase thrust and improve the fuel management systems, thus increasing the range and capabilities of the aircraft. The software update is what will allow SFO-BLR and EWR-JNB possible.

https://onemileatatime.com/united-airli ... BPguQEjWjg

What are your thoughts of such an upgrade? Was this and upgrade in conjunction with Boeing, a third party company, or on their own? Will the update then be extended to the 788 and 78X to improve their range and capabilities? Finally, will other airlines follow suit?


I think if they can improve the performance of the 78X that would all but guarantee that the A350 will never fly with UA.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 2:45 pm

It would seem to me that the increase in 789 stage length by software would mimimize need for the 359. The 359 has a 8100nm range vs. 7635 for the 789 and only 6430 for the 78X. If the range is extended by maybe 5% the questions would be:
How many flights about 8000nm are in need of the extra capacity of the 359 vs. 789?
How many flights between 6750 and 8000 need the extra capacity between a 789 and 78X?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:05 pm

RyanairGuru wrote:
N649DL wrote:
*Clap, Clap, Clap* so CO had a few more ER-based 777s in the late 2000s. Sooo Impressive! Good for them. This isn't a competition between subsidiaries (we shouldn't start this stuff back up again.)


Come off it, *you* started this bickering. *You* said that the GE 777s were among the oldest in the fleet, which is patently untrue, and when this is pointed out you pull the sarcasm card. Very mature.


Rather than nitpicking and whataboutery, you can prove us wrong with real data.

How many flights over 13 years CO/UA sent their brand-new planes to India? That is close to 4700 RTs total.

CO/UA having newer planes doesn't imply they were sent to India. What happened to It's a low yield destination, don't deserve the best hardware/cabins, theory.
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:25 pm

mah584jr wrote:
DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.

Wow, this would be huge news for AI dropping ORD. Is it dropped or have they just have not updated their schedule that far out yet? I have flown AI many times, but only from parts of Asia to India. I found their service and hard product not to be too nice in business class, so I've flown one stop via Europe and the Middle East from the US. But AI has flow to ORD for a few decades now, originally through FRA and LHR, but over the last 7+ years or so have been nonstop.
 
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Re: United New Route Announcement 9/9/2020

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:34 pm

jasoncrh wrote:
I have a lot of friends in network planning and other corporate positions at United who’ve recently lost their jobs due to covid. Something like 1/3 if their management positions gone. Pretty terrible timing for a vanity video like this to be produced


Network Planning and corporate positions are always those positions to be jettisoned when things get tough. but? there are operational folks who can do those jobs like Dispatchers and routers who may not have the same jobs but have the exact same qualifications needed to Do the job at hand. And? they might be spared from going to the street as they can do more tasks. An Experienced router and a certificated and current Dispatcher? Worth their weight in Gold. Added to the fact? they can support the daily operation of the Airline. As in the past? Marketing comes up with the schemes, and it's the rest of the Airline that implements the schemes.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 4:55 pm

Kbud wrote:
mah584jr wrote:
DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.

Wow, this would be huge news for AI dropping ORD. Is it dropped or have they just have not updated their schedule that far out yet? I have flown AI many times, but only from parts of Asia to India. I found their service and hard product not to be too nice in business class, so I've flown one stop via Europe and the Middle East from the US. But AI has flow to ORD for a few decades now, originally through FRA and LHR, but over the last 7+ years or so have been nonstop.


A lot of AI flights are not showing up. I think this is just COVID related delays in schedule publishing. IAD-DEL is 3X. I could see the route being put on hold for a bit (although in a COVID environment 3X nonstop is probably just what the market needs). ORD-DEL will come back. The flight does well for AI. UA and AI don’t really go after the same pax. Ther will both survive - UA with connections on the US side and AI with connections on the DEL side.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Wed Sep 16, 2020 8:25 pm

VTORD wrote:
jayunited wrote:
StinkyPinky wrote:
Since my question some how went sideways, let me rephrase... If United wants to inaugurate service to a foreign destination, are inflight interpreters required? Would they hire new bilingual FAs specific for that route while 5,500 other FAs are getting furloughed?


United has bilingual FA's on all our long haul international flights where English is not their first language.

I know for sure UA has more than enough remaining FA's who are fluent in Hindi that this route will not be effected as a result of the furlough. Also I believe UA also has FA's fluent in Bengali, and Punjabi.

United has a diverse FA workforce this includes FA's who have immigrated to the US from India.

Thanks for the info. I wasn't aware that UA enables FAs to immigrate to US.


I think you have misunderstood what I wrote so let be me a bit more specific.

United has for years has hired immigrants for the FA position that have legally immigrated to the US before their employment began with United Airlines. United does not act as a sponsor for these FA's, some legally immigrated to the US as children other as adults but they all immigrated to this country on their own without sponsorship from United Airlines.

The United States as you know is a very diverse country when an airline like UA is for instance looking to expand internationally and they need more language qualified FA's you will see a specific language qualification in the job description. Anyone can apply but if for instance UA is looking for FA's fluent in Spanish and and non-Spanish speaker applies they are not automatically disqualified. However if a person who is fluent in Spanish meets all the other requirements for the job and make an equal impression during the interview as the non-Spanish speaker the person who speaks Spanish fluently has the edge will probably get the job simple language qualified.

United has operated like this for years there are times when they are hiring FA's and the only language qualification needed is English and there are other times UA would look for people fluent in a specific language.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:20 am

jayunited wrote:

I think you have misunderstood what I wrote so let be me a bit more specific.

United has for years has hired immigrants for the FA position that have legally immigrated to the US before their employment began with United Airlines. United does not act as a sponsor for these FA's, some legally immigrated to the US as children other as adults but they all immigrated to this country on their own without sponsorship from United Airlines.

Aha! Thanks for the clarification. My bad! Should have known that speakers of Indian language don't necessarily only come from India. The word immigration threw me off. :oops:
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Thu Sep 17, 2020 11:21 pm

Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:16 am

portola2727 wrote:
Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?


They already flew them in the past. The flight was quickly moved up to SFO as the second daily SFO-SIN.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:25 am

LHUSA wrote:
portola2727 wrote:
Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?


They already flew them in the past. The flight was quickly moved up to SFO as the second daily SFO-SIN.

Sorry, I should have been more clear, but I was wondering if UA could relaunch the service once T9 comes online at LAX.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:38 am

portola2727 wrote:
LHUSA wrote:
portola2727 wrote:
Just a thought, but could UA's 787s potentially fly LAX-SIN in the future if they can upgrade the software?


They already flew them in the past. The flight was quickly moved up to SFO as the second daily SFO-SIN.

Sorry, I should have been more clear, but I was wondering if UA could relaunch the service once T9 comes online at LAX.


UA could launch the route anytime not dependent on gate space. The issue was blocking so many seats.
 
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Re: Updated: UA plans EWR-JNB/OGG, IAD-ACC/LOS, ORD-DEL/KOA, SFO-BLR

Fri Sep 18, 2020 3:11 am

mah584jr wrote:
DTWLAX wrote:
UA may have already driven AI out of ORD.
As per the OAG thread, AI is discontinuing DEL-ORD from April 2021.
I realize it is a few months away and AI may change schedules later but I will not be surprised if AI is out of ORD.


Looks like they are dropping IAD as well.


0% surprised if true. IAD clearly has a large market, but ME3 were successful in not down-gauging despite AI's entrance in 2017. IAD won't work for them until they develop a codeshare with UA and that's probably not gonna happen anytime soon

Also, can't imagine the 788 flying ~15 hours is too pretty in terms of performance
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:46 am

UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 3:07 am

calpsafltskeds wrote:
If indeed the 2 789s in XMN are in for Polaris mod it would seem to be a shift in priorities probably to set up these ULH routes.
The push for Polaris when the pandemic hit was 788s, undoubtedly due to the large difference in Polaris/Y seat mix between configurations and probable shift in missions.


Polaris mods are frozen due CapEx constraints. The handful of 788s proceeded post March as the shipsets of seats were already onhand delivered to China so it made sense to get them done.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:55 am

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)


I guess that answers our question on what’s going to replace a lot of the Xpressjet flying: more CRJs for SkyWest.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:08 am

UAinAUS wrote:
E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 8:01 am

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Airlines0613 wrote:
It has been reported that UA plans to upgrade the software in a sub-fleet and eventually all 789s. This software upgrade will increase thrust and improve the fuel management systems, thus increasing the range and capabilities of the aircraft. The software update is what will allow SFO-BLR and EWR-JNB possible.

https://onemileatatime.com/united-airli ... BPguQEjWjg

What are your thoughts of such an upgrade? Was this and upgrade in conjunction with Boeing, a third party company, or on their own? Will the update then be extended to the 788 and 78X to improve their range and capabilities? Finally, will other airlines follow suit?


I think if they can improve the performance of the 78X that would all but guarantee that the A350 will never fly with UA.


My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 12:26 pm

intotheair wrote:
UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)


I guess that answers our question on what’s going to replace a lot of the Xpressjet flying: more CRJs for SkyWest.


Skywest is also adding a bunch of at-risk/SCASD markets under the UAL banner with CR2.
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:03 pm

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My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.


I have to disagree with you on this because what you are describing is an entirely different aircraft than what the 78X represents today. Also UA does not have enough 77Ws in the fleet to cover all of EWR/SFO to Asia (pre-COVID not including SIN).

The 78X can accommodate the same fuel load as a 789. However when you begin operating a 78X on routes 12.5+ hours or longer with a full passenger cabin (in UA's case 318 passengers) that translates into 430 and some cases (especially during summer) can go up to around 630-700 bags, you can't take any cargo because the aircraft is maxed out or nearly max out. You have either A: hit MZFW or B: MTOG. With 600 bags and a full passenger cabin if you were operating lets say EWR-FRA the 78X could still handle 35,000-45,000 pounds of cargo with weight to spare.

Pre-COVID UA's 77Es and 789s that operated ORD, LAX, IAD, and SFO Asia (not including SIN) could accommodate 276 passengers (77E), or 252 passenger (789) with around 25,000-40,000 pounds of cargo. (Cargo varies depending on type of aircraft, route, and time of year among other things.) In my opinion for a hypothetical HGW 78X to do the same job as our 77Es you would need to get at least another 70,000 to perhaps even 100,000 pounds of MTOG. The MZFW would need to be increased as well.

How much untapped potential does the landing gear, the wing box and wings on the 787 have left?
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm

jayunited wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.


I have to disagree with you on this because what you are describing is an entirely different aircraft than what the 78X represents today. Also UA does not have enough 77Ws in the fleet to cover all of EWR/SFO to Asia (pre-COVID not including SIN).

The 78X can accommodate the same fuel load as a 789. However when you begin operating a 78X on routes 12.5+ hours or longer with a full passenger cabin (in UA's case 318 passengers) that translates into 430 and some cases (especially during summer) can go up to around 630-700 bags, you can't take any cargo because the aircraft is maxed out or nearly max out. You have either A: hit MZFW or B: MTOG. With 600 bags and a full passenger cabin if you were operating lets say EWR-FRA the 78X could still handle 35,000-45,000 pounds of cargo with weight to spare.

Pre-COVID UA's 77Es and 789s that operated ORD, LAX, IAD, and SFO Asia (not including SIN) could accommodate 276 passengers (77E), or 252 passenger (789) with around 25,000-40,000 pounds of cargo. (Cargo varies depending on type of aircraft, route, and time of year among other things.) In my opinion for a hypothetical HGW 78X to do the same job as our 77Es you would need to get at least another 70,000 to perhaps even 100,000 pounds of MTOG. The MZFW would need to be increased as well.

How much untapped potential does the landing gear, the wing box and wings on the 787 have left?


You’re absolutely right. EWR-FRA usually has 7 125’ PMC pallets or more and a full passenger load during the busy season. Trying to find 70,000 pounds or more of MTOG will not be easy.
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm

jayunited wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.


I have to disagree with you on this because what you are describing is an entirely different aircraft than what the 78X represents today. Also UA does not have enough 77Ws in the fleet to cover all of EWR/SFO to Asia (pre-COVID not including SIN).

The 78X can accommodate the same fuel load as a 789. However when you begin operating a 78X on routes 12.5+ hours or longer with a full passenger cabin (in UA's case 318 passengers) that translates into 430 and some cases (especially during summer) can go up to around 630-700 bags, you can't take any cargo because the aircraft is maxed out or nearly max out. You have either A: hit MZFW or B: MTOG. With 600 bags and a full passenger cabin if you were operating lets say EWR-FRA the 78X could still handle 35,000-45,000 pounds of cargo with weight to spare.

Pre-COVID UA's 77Es and 789s that operated ORD, LAX, IAD, and SFO Asia (not including SIN) could accommodate 276 passengers (77E), or 252 passenger (789) with around 25,000-40,000 pounds of cargo. (Cargo varies depending on type of aircraft, route, and time of year among other things.) In my opinion for a hypothetical HGW 78X to do the same job as our 77Es you would need to get at least another 70,000 to perhaps even 100,000 pounds of MTOG. The MZFW would need to be increased as well.

How much untapped potential does the landing gear, the wing box and wings on the 787 have left?


Just for arguments sake lets say the pandemic starts to wane by Summer or 2021 and we're in a full blown recovery by 2022, would UA be interested in acquiring some second hand 77Ws? Seems there might be a decent amount of 77W's coming available that might be younger than ten years of age. They might be good replacements for older Pratt powered 777-222ERs.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:19 pm

I thought maybe an increase in 78X weight would require a third set of back wheels, but the 359 has nearly 50,000 more lbs with the same 8 wheels under the wings. The 78X has the same TOW weight as the 789, is 14,000 lbs heavier and in UA config a full load has about 12,000 more pax weight.

You'd need at least 33,000 more lbs of fuel and 60,0000 higher max TOW to get it up to 789 range with same load factor (15% increase from 6430 to 7635.nm.

Maybe a 5% increase in range would be more realistic, but it wouldn't make the aircraft a reliable for SFO-China or unrestricted ORD-NRT.
 
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Re: UA increases 789’s range.

Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:24 pm

STT757 wrote:
jayunited wrote:
JFKalumni wrote:
My personal feeling, I believe a HGW 78X is coming within the next few years. It would be perfect for LAX, ORD, IAD to Asia while the non HGW versions handle the heavy Trans Atlantic traffic. Leave the 777-300’s inside EWR and SFO, move the 787-8’s and 9’s to DEN and IAH. The standard 78X can also sub as a high density on certain routes. EWR-SJU comes to mind especially considering the 767-400ER’s fate is still unknown.


I have to disagree with you on this because what you are describing is an entirely different aircraft than what the 78X represents today. Also UA does not have enough 77Ws in the fleet to cover all of EWR/SFO to Asia (pre-COVID not including SIN).

The 78X can accommodate the same fuel load as a 789. However when you begin operating a 78X on routes 12.5+ hours or longer with a full passenger cabin (in UA's case 318 passengers) that translates into 430 and some cases (especially during summer) can go up to around 630-700 bags, you can't take any cargo because the aircraft is maxed out or nearly max out. You have either A: hit MZFW or B: MTOG. With 600 bags and a full passenger cabin if you were operating lets say EWR-FRA the 78X could still handle 35,000-45,000 pounds of cargo with weight to spare.

Pre-COVID UA's 77Es and 789s that operated ORD, LAX, IAD, and SFO Asia (not including SIN) could accommodate 276 passengers (77E), or 252 passenger (789) with around 25,000-40,000 pounds of cargo. (Cargo varies depending on type of aircraft, route, and time of year among other things.) In my opinion for a hypothetical HGW 78X to do the same job as our 77Es you would need to get at least another 70,000 to perhaps even 100,000 pounds of MTOG. The MZFW would need to be increased as well.

How much untapped potential does the landing gear, the wing box and wings on the 787 have left?


Just for arguments sake lets say the pandemic starts to wane by Summer or 2021 and we're in a full blown recovery by 2022, would UA be interested in acquiring some second hand 77Ws? Seems there might be a decent amount of 77W's coming available that might be younger than ten years of age. They might be good replacements for older Pratt powered 777-222ERs.


At this point anything is possible. The 77W is perfect for NRT, HND, SYD, TLV, GRU, GIG, HKG, LHR, BOM, DEL, and FRA. Cities requiring long range and heavy mail and freight traffic. Boeing gave UA a great deal for end of line 77W’s as a bridge gap to the 77X. Boeing may offer another deal just to keep the line active.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 4:51 pm

UAinAUS wrote:
UAX Update:

CR2: unfortunate news, more CR2s joining
N460AW returned to flying with Air Wis
N960SW exited ROW in EvoBlu livery
N919SW entered ROW for paint
N432SW (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N452SW (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N455SW (2003 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N912EV (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N875AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N889AS (2001 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)
N468CA (2002 build ex-DL) entered UAX revenue service with Skywest (EvoBlu)

E145XR:
N16112 (ex-AX) exited fleet, stored at IGM
N11199 returned to flying with CommutAir

CR5:
N653CA ferried AMA for paint (interior mod complete)


"Bad News" indeed for more/extra CRJ Flying, but in this day and age, I'll take any flying....even if a CRJ.

With that said...I was understanding UA had halted painting...was this only for mainline? Regionsl are able to proceed, or are these being painted on an "as needed" basis? Paint cycles perhaps?

Very neat to see the increase of CRJ's in Evol Blue. I have to admit, the CRJ just looks beautiful in the new UA Colors!

Alex
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 5:57 pm

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With that said...I was understanding UA had halted painting...was this only for mainline? Regionsl are able to proceed, or are these being painted on an "as needed" basis? Paint cycles perhaps?

Don't think they'd want UA flights flying in DL colors.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:00 pm

adamblang wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
With that said...I was understanding UA had halted painting...was this only for mainline? Regionsl are able to proceed, or are these being painted on an "as needed" basis? Paint cycles perhaps?

Don't think they'd want UA flights flying in DL colors.



Oooohhh, didn't think DL Build meant actually in DL Paint!

Ahh, yes that's one tiny detail left out! Hahaha

Explains it! Thanks!

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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:05 pm

atrude777 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
With that said...I was understanding UA had halted painting...was this only for mainline? Regionsl are able to proceed, or are these being painted on an "as needed" basis? Paint cycles perhaps?

Don't think they'd want UA flights flying in DL colors.



Oooohhh, didn't think DL Build meant actually in DL Paint!

Ahh, yes that's one tiny detail left out! Hahaha

Explains it! Thanks!

Alex


N919SW and N960SW were in UA colors though, so your question is still valid :)
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:14 pm

It’s probably done and funded by the express carrier no? It’s most likely part of the contract.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 6:35 pm

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MIflyer12 wrote:

Retiring a few of many types doesn't really get you much in structural cost savings. The big $ is in retiring sub-types, or full types: it simplifies frame scheduling, it eliminates parts inventory, it eliminates a pilot work group (think of inefficiencies from small groups acraoss multiple bases). The 757, 753, 767 and 764 all have a common type rating.

Now, if you forecast that demand is going to be depressed for years and you've got a dozen 27-year-old A320s it's pragmatic to recognize they have little value to the carrier. Send them to retirement early.


Given that the 737's can adequately cover any A320 route? I do not find it hard to believe that many of the more elderly 320's might leave the fleet. However?
the A319-132's from CZ are a different subject. All of them have FULL Transcon range though they're presently not ETOPS (though they could be so equipped), It only matters as to how United would choose to deploy them.


All of our Airbus, 319 and 320, have the capability to do transcons. Not sure why you think they don’t.

I don't know where you got that Idea. all the 319's can do transcon east to west in any season but the A320's is actually not so. and How might I know? I worked as a Maintenance controller For United ON the A320/319 desk and Had more than one occasion where an A320 had to land at DEN to refuel going westbound after being subbed for an A319 on a transcon. And? One I was actually as Pax ON! from IAD to SFO. So? Unless they're made Mods since I retired to increase their range? I would suspect that it's STILL the case. the A319-132's have a little more power than the -131's original to United but they can and DO fly the late night transcons and Have from SFO-IAD and PHL/BOS/IAD and ATL: westbound as that's how I book my Kids and Grandkids out to the coast from the East. And? they've never Not made it Yet on an A319.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 10:40 pm

strfyr51 wrote:
EssentialBusDC wrote:
strfyr51 wrote:

Given that the 737's can adequately cover any A320 route? I do not find it hard to believe that many of the more elderly 320's might leave the fleet. However?
the A319-132's from CZ are a different subject. All of them have FULL Transcon range though they're presently not ETOPS (though they could be so equipped), It only matters as to how United would choose to deploy them.


All of our Airbus, 319 and 320, have the capability to do transcons. Not sure why you think they don’t.

I don't know where you got that Idea. all the 319's can do transcon east to west in any season but the A320's is actually not so. and How might I know? I worked as a Maintenance controller For United ON the A320/319 desk and Had more than one occasion where an A320 had to land at DEN to refuel going westbound after being subbed for an A319 on a transcon. And? One I was actually as Pax ON! from IAD to SFO. So? Unless they're made Mods since I retired to increase their range? I would suspect that it's STILL the case. the A319-132's have a little more power than the -131's original to United but they can and DO fly the late night transcons and Have from SFO-IAD and PHL/BOS/IAD and ATL: westbound as that's how I book my Kids and Grandkids out to the coast from the East. And? they've never Not made it Yet on an A319.


With 6000+ hours in both the right and left seat on the Bus, the only fuel stops I’ve done are due to diversions because we didn’t have the fuel to continue holding, or a re route while in the air meant we didn’t have fuel to safely continue to destination. I.E. flight planned DCA-ORD along a normal route via CMH but then airborne got routed way west over STL to get to ORD because a line of storms devolved, then given holding, then another reroute back northeast, ended up in IND to get some gas. A 1:45 normal flight took almost 3 hours. Well within the range of a 320, but not the fuel boarded on that flight.

I’ve diverted domestically on the 767 too. I’m not saying that it doesn’t happen but wind busts or ATC re routes or a change in destination weather can all be reasons for diversions/ fuel stops after the initial flight plan has been released. That’s not the fault of the airframe. It just means that the planned fuel load is no longer enough. It’s very rare for the Bus to be planned for a fuel stop before takeoff. So rare that I have never had to do it. Could it happen? (and according to you it has) Sure. But it’s not anywhere close to being a normal happening.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sat Sep 19, 2020 11:16 pm

atrude777 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
With that said...I was understanding UA had halted painting...was this only for mainline? Regionsl are able to proceed, or are these being painted on an "as needed" basis? Paint cycles perhaps?

Don't think they'd want UA flights flying in DL colors.



Oooohhh, didn't think DL Build meant actually in DL Paint!

Ahh, yes that's one tiny detail left out! Hahaha

Explains it! Thanks!

Alex


Just for clarity, Delta returned a bunch of CRJ200s to SkyWest earlier this summer, and those frames are now making their way over to United.

I'm not aware of an actual statement confirming this, but it looks like the ex-Delta CRJs are being added to backfill ExpressJet in Houston, so IAH regional feed swaps from ERJs to CRJs.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 20, 2020 12:46 am

RyanairGuru wrote:
atrude777 wrote:
adamblang wrote:
Don't think they'd want UA flights flying in DL colors.



Oooohhh, didn't think DL Build meant actually in DL Paint!

Ahh, yes that's one tiny detail left out! Hahaha

Explains it! Thanks!

Alex


Just for clarity, Delta returned a bunch of CRJ200s to SkyWest earlier this summer, and those frames are now making their way over to United.

I'm not aware of an actual statement confirming this, but it looks like the ex-Delta CRJs are being added to backfill ExpressJet in Houston, so IAH regional feed swaps from ERJs to CRJs.


This is correct. In addition CommutAir is opening a IAH base in October and will gradually grow. So Houston 50-seat feed will eventually be half CRJ and half ERJ.
Skywest CRJs also took over all of the DEN 50-seat feed with AX’s collapse.
 
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 20, 2020 4:30 am

UAinAUS wrote:
RyanairGuru wrote:
atrude777 wrote:


Oooohhh, didn't think DL Build meant actually in DL Paint!

Ahh, yes that's one tiny detail left out! Hahaha

Explains it! Thanks!

Alex


Just for clarity, Delta returned a bunch of CRJ200s to SkyWest earlier this summer, and those frames are now making their way over to United.

I'm not aware of an actual statement confirming this, but it looks like the ex-Delta CRJs are being added to backfill ExpressJet in Houston, so IAH regional feed swaps from ERJs to CRJs.


This is correct. In addition CommutAir is opening a IAH base in October and will gradually grow. So Houston 50-seat feed will eventually be half CRJ and half ERJ.
Skywest CRJs also took over all of the DEN 50-seat feed with AX’s collapse.


Interesting, I didn't realise that Commutair was opening a IAH base. It will be interesting to see how that goes for them, they are only a small airline and IAH is quite far away from their operations in the North East. Hopefully they have maintenance etc sorted, but nonetheless I wouldn't be surprised if they had some teething issues there.

I was under the impression that 50 seats (not including the CRJ550s) were going to fall broadly along the lines of Commutair in EWR and IAD, Wisconsin in ORD, and SkyWest in IAH, DEN, SFO and LAX. Obviously things aren't that clear cut if Commutair are also backfilling in IAH.
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Re: United Fleet, Network, & Livery Thread - 2020

Sun Sep 20, 2020 6:18 pm

IAH is a huge 50-seat market. Many dozens of small cities across the Southeast that really aren’t large enough for anything bigger.
 
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